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Old Blood Versus Young Blood From a Programmed Aging Perspective


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#1 reason

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:24 AM


The programmed aging camp points to experiments such as this as supportive of their view that aging is a genetic program that gives rise to damage and change, rather than resulting from damage that causes epigenetic changes to arise in reaction. The data could be interpreted either way, however, and there are other reasons to believe that aging is caused by damage:

In a 2005 experiment, one old mouse and one young mouse became artificial Siamese twins. For control, [researchers] also paired two old mice and two young mice. After the surgery, they injured one mouse from each pair, and monitored the healing process at a cellular level. As expected, the young mice recovered from injury much more efficiently than old mice. The surprise was that old mice that were paired with young mice healed as if they were young. "Importantly, the enhanced regeneration of aged muscle was due almost exclusively to the activation of resident, aged progenitor cells, not to the engraftment of circulating progenitor cells from the young partner." In other words, it was not young cells that implanted themselves in the old mice; it was signal proteins in the blood that told the old mouse tissue to go ahead and heal as if it were young.

[A recent paper] culminates in a proposal for whole-body rejuvenation that might be practical in the near term. Fortuitously, its safety in humans has already been established, so people might be willing to try it if a course of animal experiments shows promise. The idea is simply to transfuse older subjects with blood plasma from a young donor, repeated often enough to sustain levels of signaling proteins that control gene expression.

The mainstream view on why stem cells and tissue maintenance decline with age is that it is an evolved response to rising levels of damage that reduces cancer risk. Flooding an old system with young signaling overrides that response, but would probably be accompanied by an increased risk of cancer - though in the case of a short-term signal change as a therapy to promote regeneration of a specific injury, that may be an acceptable risk. In the long term, however, the underlying damage has to be repaired, rather than just forcing our biochemistry to continue as though it didn't exist.

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#2 AgeVivo

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:27 PM

to me aging is [essentially, at least] a set of bad things that happen late in life because it was not out-selected/corrected by evolution [because our ancesters were not alive at those ages anyway]

this set of bad things is the long term effects of our genes (including 'useless' genes that cause strange things later in life, our function (we build bones and their inside hardly regenerates, we don't regrow teeth at adulthood etc) and lifestyle and environment. I view what is called "programmed aging" as "common aging paths" (for a given species in pool of conditions) we but could call ageing "genetics+damage", "hyperfunction", etc. I think all is good and in fact not so different under that global understanding.

What is interesting is to find some main/key/essentially causes to age. One obvious one is the slow down of renewal of tissues (when a baby skin is cut, it is repaired very fast; when an old skin it takes very long; this is I believe why old skin doesn't look like baby skin. The complementary to it is tissue degradation, that has many causes, but if you can renew tissues sufficiently that's not really an issue. Of course, the trouble is that wedon't yet how to do tissue renewal correctly... nothing very special for most of us here...

it would be nice to see/test if the age-related blood changes reported here are such "main/key" causes to age (= to frailty) or not.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:02 PM

Well if you need a human test subject to get the young blood plasma, I'm available.

Failing that medical tourism will probably provide the treatment in the next few years.

Edited by mpe, 02 April 2013 - 10:29 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 06:23 PM

The mainstream view on why stem cells and tissue maintenance decline with age is that it is an evolved response to rising levels of damage that reduces cancer risk. Flooding an old system with young signaling overrides that response, but would probably be accompanied by an increased risk of cancer - though in the case of a short-term signal change as a therapy to promote regeneration of a specific injury, that may be an acceptable risk. In the long term, however, the underlying damage has to be repaired, rather than just forcing our biochemistry to continue as though it didn't exist.


I think your reasoning is basically right, but three possibilities come to mind:

the first: it is possible that the unsupportive environment itself is one of the main causes of the damages in the first place. Speaking in SENS methodology I think a somewhat related part of that is the AmyloSENS.

the second: is mentioned in a comment after your article:

Its true there may be an increase in the cancer rate, but wouldn't the immune system also be restored increasing our defences against cancer?
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and the third, it is possible that the good environment also enhances the inside capacity of the cells for the repair of the damage itself.

Edited by Avatar of Horus, 09 April 2013 - 06:57 PM.





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