208 replies to this topic

[dz93]

Some more links on GMO's

http://www.ucsusa.or...effects-of.html
http://www.ucsusa.or...re-to-yield.pdf
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/list.php
http://www.safe-food...-issue/fda.html
http://www.anh-usa.o...estive-systems/
http://www.nature.co...ull/nbt934.html
http://www.psrast.or...uptakechick.htm
http://www.responsib...n-press-release
https://docs.google....mdPn4Xob8-UsyEw

Edited by dz93, 29 April 2013 - 03:39 AM.

[gamesguru]

People just don't care enough.

i beleive enough people care. allergies and serious diseases have became epidemic.

http://www.huffingto..._b_2472083.html

"9 out of 10 americans want their food labeled." i guess you don't want your food labeled, thats ok.

you can let biotech likes of monsanto get away with cheating you. better yet, you can join their advocacy, its a free country after all. case closed.

You have a way of cherry picking my posts. I bet I eat less GM foods than you, so I don't need you to lecture me.

I said about GMOs, "Avoid them", and "Should we only produce small quantities of GMOs and chemicals, and make sure they never make up a large percentage by mass of any food? That's ridiculous, why not just get rid of them completely?"


If 9 out of 10 Americans want their food lableled then why did proposition 37 get shot down? You can't blame mudslinging either, because if what you're saying is true, it should have won by a 90% majority. And why, when Whole Foods announces to label GMOs by 2018, does no one quibble about the fact that it is a five year process, when it could easily be a two year one? So why are GMOs, chemicals, pollution, fossil fuels, and all the other environmental evils so ubiquitous? As I said, it's mainly because people are aloof and uncooperative. This translates to uncohesive groups and societies, who disagree on the simplest of agendas.

Edited by dasheenster, 29 April 2013 - 02:18 PM.

[dz93]

Prop 37 got shot down because Monsanto, DuPont, Pepsico, and other big corporations put millions into No on Prop 37. Just look at who supported No on 37 and the money and trick campaigns they did to get people to vote no.

[gamesguru]

I said you can't blame mudslinging. I agree campainging allowed Prop 37 not to pass. But the fact that people's opinions were swayed by mudslinging shows shows how vulnerable and precarious their opinions were. In the same way there is a movement doubting the superiority in nutrition or sustainability of organic farming, there is a movement which states that GMOs produce more without harm. Many people are constantly changing their minds, indecisive, swaying from one position to the other, like the ocean tides. I know many families who buy pasture-raised meats at times, only to buy beef or fish fed rendered chicken when it goes on sale. So the idea that everyone has a constant opinion on the matter is misleading. People are changing their beliefs and their conduct.

[evolvedhuman2012]

Prop 37 got shot down because Monsanto, DuPont, Pepsico, and other big corporations put millions into No on Prop 37. Just look at who supported No on 37 and the money and trick campaigns they did to get people to vote no.

right on. hard for organic coalition to stand up against the big money of big biotechs and gmo food industry.

some folks like to assume a lot without getting enough hard facts...perhaps that a personality type.... i know some people like that...

[dz93]

Just think about it. Why on earth would these companies put so much money and try so hard just to get Prop 37 (which would only be effective in California) to not pass? Because they know no one will buy their products if they're labeled. Simple as that. Why else would they not want labeling? Everything else is labeled. So what's the big deal with labeling of GMO's? Is there something to hide? Will they lose money from labeling? Who is really being hurt by labeling? It's not too difficult to see that these companies are very money hungry so much that they've formed financial ties with the FDA and Big Pharma. Why Big Pharma? Well who else would make money off the people getting illnesses from GMO's? It all plays hand in hand. Do I have to repeat the fact that Monsanto wrote their own protection act that got passed as a rider on some bill. It ensures Monsanto stays above the law. Here you can read more about Monsanto being untouchable by law now while simultaniously suing organic farmers whose fields have been infected by Monsantos GM crops from a near by field. How can that be prevented and whose responisibility is it to do that? What came first? Monsanto or Organics? It's sooo corrupt that no matter your opinion on GMO's themselves you have to see that Monsanto definitely isn't in the Agricultural buisness to help the world and feed the world. They want money and only money.

http://www.mnn.com/e...-protection-act
http://thinkprogress...tion-act-power/

Here's a video explaining what the Monsanto Protection Act means for those of you who are too lazy to read. Very interesting video I might add.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2K4pfiYK2IQ

Edited by dz93, 29 April 2013 - 09:14 PM.

[evolvedhuman2012]

Just think about it. Why on earth would these companies put so much money and try so hard just to get Prop 37 (which would only be effective in California) to not pass? Because they know no one will buy their products if they're labeled. Simple as that. Why else would they not want labeling? Everything else is labeled. So what's the big deal with labeling of GMO's? Is there something to hide? Will they lose money from labeling? Who is really being hurt by labeling? It's not too difficult to see that these companies are very money hungry so much that they've formed financial ties with the FDA and Big Pharma. Why Big Pharma? Well who else would make money off the people getting illnesses from GMO's? It all plays hand in hand. Do I have to repeat the fact that Monsanto wrote their own protection act that got passed as a rider on some bill. It ensures Monsanto stays above the law. Here you can read more about Monsanto being untouchable by law now while simultaniously suing organic farmers whose fields have been infected by Monsantos GM crops from a near by field. How can that be prevented and whose responisibility is it to do that? What came first? Monsanto or Organics? It's sooo corrupt that no matter your opinion on GMO's themselves you have to see that Monsanto definitely isn't in the Agricultural buisness to help the world and feed the world. They want money and only money.

http://www.mnn.com/e...-protection-act
http://thinkprogress...tion-act-power/

simply put, monsanto want to run governments. "revolving door" between biotech and fda has been going on since 90s or so . they have expanded their crop influences to south america and china and india. they don't give a sheet, its all money to em. i beleive the theory being anti-labeling campaign is that they would lose money.

public tv like wgbh touched a bit about government-food industry-big pharma conspiracy. i beleive mark hyman touched a bit on that on wgbh.
no one want to take up big shots like biotechs and food industry head on. no one wants to say too much and too direct.

monsanto have been reported to destroy careers and images of scientists that went against them. "your better keep your mouth shut b*tch." monsantos also donor to universities and like. well you get the picture.


unhealthy food from food industry > many sick people > big $$ for big pharma > economy strengthening



to add insult to injury, US has been accused to bullying europe to import their gmo bullsh*t and considered retaliation against them under bush administration. they were just trying to protect their people. how that for evil? you don't have to just take my word for it. all courtesy of wikileak covered both by european news companies and new york times. yes, US have done its share of evils and wrongs, nobodys innocent.

its funny how the author tried to justify america's actions with his spin of saying" its hard to be good under capitalism." that like hitler saying its hard not to take your land under "nazism and nationalism." " i love the german race, now gimme your land b*tch ." lmao.

nobodys takes responsibility no more, worlds growing more and more decadent. chinese ccp don't seem so bad no more. lol.

Edited by evolvedhuman2012, 29 April 2013 - 10:04 PM.

[gamesguru]

Everything is not labeled, lol. Whoever said GMOs are the last thing left to be labeled has no idea how many labels are missing or just plain lies.

[dz93]

DuPont was banking during the drought last year.
http://www.naturalne...i-business.html

Another article on Monsanto
http://www.naturalne...O_labeling.html

Both dated for today, April 30th 2013.

[evolvedhuman2012]

Eric Herm, Cotton Farmer, Author of Son of a Cotton Farmer - "Thought it was an excellent to remedy high fuel cost, labor. That was before I started reading the bag of the cottonseed, there was 7 ,8 warning labels. Don't touch it, don't put it in your mouth, run to the doctor, call this number. And I sitting there, what am I planting, putting in the earth. I'm trying to save a little bit of fuel?"

Dan Skow, DVM, Veterinarian, Agricultural Consultant-" The system has done a very good job into educating people into GMO raise because we can't feed the world. It just the opposite."

Eric Holt-Gimenez, Executive Director of Food First, Author of Food Rebellions!-
"The mythology that somehow that people in the world are starving because that there isn't enough food is very strong. And has been droned into us for 30, 40 years now. In fact there over one and a half times more food on the planet than we need."

"There is plenty of food, people just couldn’t afford it."



Shiv Chopra, Former Health Canada Microbiologist and Author-
"The world has enough food. Due to corruption, people may not be getting food, but there plenty of food."

Michael Hansen, PhD, Senior Staff Scientist, Consumer Union-"A study found 320 million more pounds of pesticide has been applied to genetically engineered crops compared to their non-engineered counterpart in the US. We got 10,000 acres of cotton in Georgia that are resistant to all herbicide including Glyphosate. So guess how they control them? They are having tt use machete. Glyphosate no longer working. So now they wanna get crops engineered with 2-4-D. For those of you too young to know that, that was one of the components of Agent Orange. So that’s not a benign herbicide.”




For people who don’t trust scientists, you rather trust corrupted government instead? Lol. And I’m not surprised about trolls who attempt to confuse the discussion. They may try to say bullsh*t that is confusing , dismissive and so on. And trolls, you know who you are.

It’s like someone trying to warn about danger, some people choose to be dismissive. Well what can I say, if you die from mysterious sickness, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

If people honestly adamant GMOs are safe for them, pray you don’t lose your health and fertility.

And who know who’s bought and paid by biotech likes of Monsanto but they are out there.

Edited by evolvedhuman2012, 06 May 2013 - 04:59 AM.

[gamesguru]

Would you say these two foods are dangerous? They contain what I consider to be "trace" amounts of GMOs.

One is 365 brand capers, from whole foods, the other, is Morton brand nature's seasoning.
Here are the ingredients for both foods (I have bolded the presumably GMO ingedients):

seasoning:

Salt, black pepper, spices, onion, garlic, sugar, parsley, celery seeds, calcium silicate.

capers:

capers, spring water, rice vinegar, sea salt, citric acid.

I use the seasoning on my stir fry dishes, and put capers on my homemade pizzas. Are you to tell me that these foods are unsafe, and jeapordize my fertility and health, when plenty of people eat far more copious amounts of GM ingredients will no apparent ill effects? Their doctors find nothing wrong with them, and they continue to bear childrenm, yet they gorge themselves on corn and soy byproducts. I find it hard to completely avoid GMOs, so I'm content just to minimize my consumption. I think the two above foods have minimal levels of GMOs...even so, I'm still looking for alternatives. Perhaps I'll make my seasoning homemade, and just forgo the capers.

Edited by dasheenster, 08 May 2013 - 07:12 PM.

[evolvedhuman2012]

i'm gonna keep it short. tired of repeating over and over again. either you believe or you don't. and there are alternatives with non-gmos and organics if you just do a little research on your own.

no one can force you to safeguard your health, that is a personal responsibility in my opinion. you are not a child any more. you can believe gmo opponents are anti-science if that makes you feel better.

http://www.happycow.net/blog/?p=4032

[evolvedhuman2012]

Russia bans all GM corn imports; EU may also ban Monsanto GMO in wake of shocking cancer findings


http://www.naturalne...O_Monsanto.html

[adamh]

If there is more food on the planet than we need and yet people are starving, i think the theory that they can't afford it is not an explanation. What happens to all that food that is supposedly there but not bought? Is it simply thrown out? There is a lot of waste, a lot lost due to vermin and so on but that simply reduces the food supply which is supposedly 1.5 times what we need

What we need is less people on the planet. If we had a stable population of 3b then there would not be many of the problems facing us now like pollution, greenhouse gases being emitted and so on.

Thank goodness monsanto does not call the shots in europe.

[dz93]

Virus found in GMO crops called Gene VI
http://www.landesbio...012GMC0020R.pdf
http://independentsc...cial-gmo-crops/
http://naturalsociet...n-in-gmo-crops/

[Logic]

Are these people idiot conspiracy theorists?

Dr. David Bellamy, Biologist and Broadcaster, London, UK
Prof. Liebe Cavalieri, Mathematical Ecologist, Univ. Minnesota, USA
Dr. Thomas S. Cox, Geneticist, US Dept. of Agriculture (retired), India
Dr. Tewolde Egziabher, Spokesperson for African Region, Ethiopia
Dr. David Ehrenfeld, Biologist/Ecologist, Rutgers University, USA
Dr. Vladimir Zajac, Oncovirologist, Genetisist, Cancer Reseach Inst, Czech Republic
Dr. Brian Hursey, ex FAO Senior Officer for Vector Borne Diseases, UK
Prof. Ruth Hubbard, Geneticist, Harvard University, USA
Prof. Jonathan King, Molecular Biologist, MIT, Cambridge, USA
Prof. Gilles-Eric Seralini, Laboratoire de Biochimie & Moleculaire, Univ. Caen, France
Dr. David Suzuki, Geneticist, David Suzuki Foundation, Univ. British Columbia, Canada
Dr. Vandana Shiva, Theoretical Physicist and Ecologist, India
Dr. George Woodwell, Director, Woods Hole Research Center, USA
Prof. Oscar B. Zamora, Agronomist, U. Philippines, Los Banos, Philippines

Well they all signed the

Open Letter from World Scientists to All Governments Concerning Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs)
We, the undersigned scientists, call for the immediate suspension of all environmental releases of GM crops and products, both commercially and in open field trials, for at least 5 years; for patents on living processes, organisms, seeds, cell lines and genes to be revoked and banned; and for a comprehensive public enquiry into the future of agriculture and food security for all.

As did 828 similarly qualified people.
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/list.php

If you studied this subject ages ago and decide GMO is good, you were probably right... THEN!
But its now time to re-visit the subject and re evaluate your outdated decision. THINGS CHANGE!

Those that think they don't have to worry because they only eat organic foods:
If all the bees are dead from neonicotinoids; what is going to fertilise your organic food? WTF will you eat then!??
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22292570
http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC1892840/

[evolvedhuman2012]

a nice little brief promo by greenpeace on gmo as history's grestest scam to date. gmo is an american invention for shame. no wonder people hate america, this is ammo for haters to fuel the fire.

[evolvedhuman2012]

Are these people idiot conspiracy theorists?

Dr. David Bellamy, Biologist and Broadcaster, London, UK
Prof. Liebe Cavalieri, Mathematical Ecologist, Univ. Minnesota, USA
Dr. Thomas S. Cox, Geneticist, US Dept. of Agriculture (retired), India
Dr. Tewolde Egziabher, Spokesperson for African Region, Ethiopia
Dr. David Ehrenfeld, Biologist/Ecologist, Rutgers University, USA
Dr. Vladimir Zajac, Oncovirologist, Genetisist, Cancer Reseach Inst, Czech Republic
Dr. Brian Hursey, ex FAO Senior Officer for Vector Borne Diseases, UK
Prof. Ruth Hubbard, Geneticist, Harvard University, USA
Prof. Jonathan King, Molecular Biologist, MIT, Cambridge, USA
Prof. Gilles-Eric Seralini, Laboratoire de Biochimie & Moleculaire, Univ. Caen, France
Dr. David Suzuki, Geneticist, David Suzuki Foundation, Univ. British Columbia, Canada
Dr. Vandana Shiva, Theoretical Physicist and Ecologist, India
Dr. George Woodwell, Director, Woods Hole Research Center, USA
Prof. Oscar B. Zamora, Agronomist, U. Philippines, Los Banos, Philippines

Well they all signed the

Open Letter from World Scientists to All Governments Concerning Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs)
We, the undersigned scientists, call for the immediate suspension of all environmental releases of GM crops and products, both commercially and in open field trials, for at least 5 years; for patents on living processes, organisms, seeds, cell lines and genes to be revoked and banned; and for a comprehensive public enquiry into the future of agriculture and food security for all.

As did 828 similarly qualified people.
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/list.php

If you studied this subject ages ago and decide GMO is good, you were probably right... THEN!
But its now time to re-visit the subject and re evaluate your outdated decision. THINGS CHANGE!

Those that think they don't have to worry because they only eat organic foods:
If all the bees are dead from neonicotinoids; what is going to fertilise your organic food? WTF will you eat then!??
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22292570
http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC1892840/

oh i worry alright. but for immediate relieve, i eat organic for immediate safety. but your are right, i'm still worry about future of crop from pollination, it is still a threat that needs to be addressed.

[illuminatus104]

The standard for USDA organic is deteriorating also. They've slowly been adding pesticides and herbicides on the organic ingredients list. the USDA organic certified label doesn't mean that food is untainted.

GMOs haven't been studied long enough to know the ill effects they cause. It's mind boggling to me that corporations are able to continue selling them, even in light of recent evidence that suspects GMOs have serious side effects (seralini study). I place 0 trust in Monsanto, this company has a reputation for deceit and greed. Agent orange, PCBs (anniston incident), bst (linked to cancer). The average person is more concerned with the kardashians though

[evolvedhuman2012]

The standard for USDA organic is deteriorating also. They've slowly been adding pesticides and herbicides on the organic ingredients list. the USDA organic certified label doesn't mean that food is untainted.

GMOs haven't been studied long enough to know the ill effects they cause. It's mind boggling to me that corporations are able to continue selling them, even in light of recent evidence that suspects GMOs have serious side effects (seralini study). I place 0 trust in Monsanto, this company has a reputation for deceit and greed. Agent orange, PCBs (anniston incident), bst (linked to cancer). The average person is more concerned with the kardashians though

do you have credible source to backup your claim on usda deteoritation other than worry people silly?

[illuminatus104]

The standard for USDA organic is deteriorating also. They've slowly been adding pesticides and herbicides on the organic ingredients list. the USDA organic certified label doesn't mean that food is untainted.

GMOs haven't been studied long enough to know the ill effects they cause. It's mind boggling to me that corporations are able to continue selling them, even in light of recent evidence that suspects GMOs have serious side effects (seralini study). I place 0 trust in Monsanto, this company has a reputation for deceit and greed. Agent orange, PCBs (anniston incident), bst (linked to cancer). The average person is more concerned with the kardashians though

do you have credible source to backup your claim on usda deteoritation other than worry people silly?

http://www.youtube.c...NX6uDorVg#at=14

http://www.edenfoods...?articles_id=78

organic isn't much better than non organic, by law

[renfr]

GMO is evil, not justified and dangerous.
I think that's pretty clear, currently even without GMO it is largely possible to feed all the world, just look at the rates of obesity in industrialized countries, we don't need GMO to feed more people, this is a huge fraud going on right now, that's why it's not justified.
It's evil because GMO have been engineered for people who's only interest is motivated by greed and not by spreading goodwill around the world, that they release their crappy GMO on the market they're allowed to but there must be a regulating authority to label GMO food, also GMO shouldn't be a reason for the price of non-GMO to rise.
It's dangerous because some Monsanto secret reports notably revealed by German juridictions show that even themselves are aware that their products are dangerous (which contributes to its evilness). Other studies and several reports show that GMOs (such as MON 863) can be extremely toxic.
No one can ever say GMOs are safe, they're on the market since 1995, that's not even 20 years not counting that for 10 years at least their share in the market was relatively low which means that we'll need to wait at least 30-40 more years to see the devastating effects they might cause.
Plus we on this forum are aiming at longevity, if you plan on living for 150 years, very long term GMO use of +100 years should be a large concern for you/
If we count that children eat GMO food we need assessement of very long term effects on over 70 years which is enormous.
We've already experienced a huge increase in autoimmune diseases, heart attacks, neurodegenerative diseases notably due to the fact that butter was considered as bad and margarine seen as an alternative.
Also I would add that GMOs can be deadly for people with allergies, such as the case of a GM soy product which had a brazil nut protein added to its genes and this caused allergies to those with nut allergies, we can't afford that risk.
Monsanto and al. are trying to release these products as fast as possible to maximize profits but they will never think about the risks (in fact they did but they won't tell them to you), instead of considering profit first they should care about human health.
Again these people are likely hypocritics like Tony Blair who supported the ban of all supplements upon the orders of the Codex Alimentarius while himself was using supplements for himself and his family... We should ask these monsanto staff if they eat that frankenfood that they want to sell us...

Edited by renfr, 21 June 2013 - 11:31 PM.

[Logic]

Link Between GMO Foods and Serious Organ Damage?
http://www.enveurope...content/23/1/10

[illuminatus104]

Link Between GMO Foods and Serious Organ Damage?
http://www.enveurope...content/23/1/10

seralini published another study in fall 2012 that caught heavy criticism. the rats were apparently prone to tumors, but then I found an article that said the rats seralini used were the same as the ones monsanto used in their studies. I can't find what rats monsanto actually used and am unable to confirm this rumor.

the issue is that everybody has an agenda. all science is corrupted by human bias to a degree, some more than others. so seralini has this study showing some profound effects on rats. monsanto will respond with more studies that disprove this claim. Both sides will set up experiments to find the outcome they desire. This continues until the party with more influence/power broadcasts their findings to a larger population of people, thus resulting in a majority agreement on the matter. it's purely political, there is very little science involved in controversy like this

you have to decide for yourself on this stuff...if you think GMOs aren't dangerous, then you're going to find information that adheres to this belief. If you think they are dangerous, you'll find that indeed, GMOs are dangerous.

[Logic]

Monsanto Protection Act Could Be Repealed Soon
http://www.undergrou...-repealed-soon/

So if Monsanto is all sweetness and light; why go to all that trouble to be above the law..?

[evolvedhuman2012]

Monsanto Protection Act Could Be Repealed Soon
http://www.undergrou...-repealed-soon/

So if Monsanto is all sweetness and light; why go to all that trouble to be above the law..?

could happen and actually having happened are two different things. monsanto been twist the laws for what, 20 so years now? i'm surprised such a corrupt powerful corporation got this damn far to be honest.

they also said there is a chance labeling could happen in california then prop 37 got defeated. tell me when something actually happened.


the way i see it, it won't matter anyways, in a couple hundred years the whole damn planets gonna be underwater anyways....

[evolvedhuman2012]

http://www.youtube.c...NX6uDorVg#at=14

http://www.edenfoods...?articles_id=78

organic isn't much better than non organic, by law

that eden report butts heads with ifrt's report.

http://www.responsib...org/buy-non-gmo

ifrt assured that "organic " is a go-to for avoidance. go figure...

[Logic]

illuminatus104:
You may find this interesting.

"...threat to scientific publishing from industry influence..."
http://independentsc...art-of-science/

Perhaps this article deserves its own thread?


President Putin: "bee apocalypse will most certainly lead to world war"
http://topinfopost.c...-obama-monsanto

[illuminatus104]

illuminatus104:
You may find this interesting.

"...threat to scientific publishing from industry influence..."
http://independentsc...art-of-science/

Perhaps this article deserves its own thread?

interesting indeed, nice find



that putin article is good too....hopefully they continue to stand up against monsanto. they are vying for control of the planet's entire food supply...truly scary

Edited by illuminatus104, 24 June 2013 - 08:17 PM.

[Logic]

Monsanto develops “Genetically Modified Pig”
http://www.globalres...dified-pig/2480