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#2251 lostfalco

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 10:31 PM

 

P.S. The Molecular Hydrogen is good, but I feel it's very subtle and is more a prevention tool rather than something you'll notice very acute effects from.

I can't believe I almost missed this!

 

Yeah, I 100% agree Joe. I think my experience pretty much mirrors yours on this. I really like hydrogen water but I can't recommend that someone buy the $900 Lourdes machine unless they comfortably have the resources and are the pretty hardcore leave-no-stone-unturned type. Personally, I'm gonna drink it for the rest of my life but it is a very subtle sort of thing that could very well be placebo.

 

I also tested the Hayashi hydrogen water stick and I don't recommend it. 



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Posted 16 March 2015 - 11:55 PM

 

 

I wrote a short article or two abour anacardic acid in the past. It, along with other fatty phenols, is present in cashews, cashew nutshell, the cashew leave, and some other sources. I'm having a hard time finding any information on the exact concentration in cashews, though. I may start incorporating them (raw) in my diet, though, as raw nuts have potent prebiotic activity as it is (see: http://aem.asm.org/c...74/14/4264.full(this is of almond seeds; but almond skin, almond oil, etc. have been shown to have similar activities, as have pistachios, cashews, and most other nuts)). 

 

In regards to red light, I've been looking into another form of using it - water filtered infrared-a therapy:

 

  Extreme Whole-Body Hyperthermia with Water-Filtered Infrared-A Radiation 

This is just one simple example of its uses; but there are dozens (perhaps more?) studies on this technique. Some Russian studies indicated it's efficacy for use in nerve and spine issues, and how it impacts axonal proliferation. So, I was actually thinking of using it on my back, neck, and head/face. It can be done DIY rather easily, though probably not as effectively. Incandescent bulbs or heat lamps filtered through water, especially if used with red dye, will produce the desired spectrum of light. Also, see this: 

Halogen light through two inches of water is the way to do light therapy      

 

Thanks for the links, Papa! Have you tested this out yet? I know Zawy has used a similar method in the past. 

 

I have yet to try it, but will soon.

 

Also, ugh, I just had this entire message typed out and accidentally exited the page; anyhow, on PEMF and ICES:

 

These are often used interchangeably, but are two different techs with two, moderately different set of effects. Also, for both PEMF and ICES, all different devices have different effects due to different sets of frequencies, power outputs, etc. 

 

Most of the greatest literature on PEMF and ICES comes from physics and biophysics journals, and unfortunately a lot of it is in Russian, German, etc. Also, in terms of the literature, be wary of some studies that find "poor results", as they are often red herrings using the wrong frequencies, stuff in like the khz range, sometimes potentially dangerous stuff; then, the study gets published, circulated, etc. and people think this tech isn't worth using/studying.

 

A great source on both PEMF and ICES is William Pawluk, MD. I think he has the largest amount of knowledge, and not only that, uses PEMF clinically, everyday, and has for probably over a decade, and has been to Russia and the like to study their literature. Not only this, he has remained rather conservative and typically doesn't make any broad, crazy statements, and relies on published literature and/or his own experiences to back what he says. He has also reviewed over a dozen products, outlined their pros and cons, etc. Check out his site and youtube videos: http://drpawluk.com/

 

Here is also a good amount of info on PEMF-ICES: http://www.micro-pul...ical-technologythe section "Bob's Blog" also has some good information.

 

My only experience thus far with PEMF are the EarthPulse v4.7 and 5.0. OpaqueMind has also used the v4.7 if I'm not mistaken and enjoyed it. My experience is only 'okay'. It has been mildly positive. I definitely find value in the EarthPulse, particularly the 5.0 with all the coils attached (to make it more powerful), but it hasn't changed my life as it has for others. I plan on getting some other PEMF units when I have the money, but I have no idea if I will use one of the many ICES techs, or something like the Lenyo Meridian, Lenyo Sleep System, QRS (more pricey), etc. I've also been contemplating going to a local clinic and paying for sessions with the DeltaPulse, a medical/sports professional unit.

 

Overall, though, I suspect this technology will prove to be extremely useful and potentially more potent than most other supplements, drugs, etc. It can cause direct epigenetic changes, modulate various transcription factors, and I suspect coming from the perspective of Gilbert Ling and Ray Damadian, it probably impacts the nano-protoplasm of a cell, protein unfolding, and more. Definitely something I want to mess around with a lot more. 


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 12:03 AM

This is from one of Robert O. Becker's patents (using a DC current to regenerate a human fingertip): 


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 12:14 AM

 

Cordyceps/Cordycepin was proposed by Jeoshua in the CILTEP thread for an increase the cGMP.

http://www.longecity...ced-ltp/page-77
and for PDE5 inhibition Icariin is the herbal option

PDE4 inhibition+Cordycelps+TULIP could be a interesting stack...or Icariin or Taldanafil+TULIP

Very cool, BieraK. Do you know if anyone tested out that combo?

 

I think you're exactly right about TULIP synergies. Theoretically they should go extremely well together but experiment always has the ultimate say. 

 

As far as I know, no one has reported results or experiences with TULIP+Cordyceps+PDE4 inhibition or with Cordyceps+PDE4i... Apparently Jeoshua did some tests with that stack (CILTEP+Cordyceps).

I think that I will order some cordyceps in the next days to do the test.
When TULIP alone (without c60) was working well for me I did some sessions with PDE4 inhibition+cAMP increase (CILTEP) I never experienced some negative effect like cAMP overload.

Ocasionally I take a PDE4i with forskolin, the best effects are from Luteolin (PDE4i)+Quercetin(PDE4i, MAOBi, COMTi)+Rutin(COMTi that apparently cross the BBB)+10mg forskolin. The problem is that if I not take the c60, the TULIP effects are more negative than positive, very different compared to the first sessions, just 40 seconds of laser, then 10 minutes of fatigue and after that I was the better version of myself.....But for now is like my body does not compensate the stress response, that has stopped me a bit on my progress... And for c60+TULIP I'm trying to understand the interaction with both for now, would be sad not being able to combine both, c60 is one of the best supplements for longevity, health, and vitality. 

 I think that this stack could become as close to the "NZT" if is tweaked in the correct way.
 

I will experiment with cordyceps+PDE4 inhibition anyway, It's something I've wanted to do for quite some time 3:) 


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 10:53 AM

 

Have you tried NSI-189 Lostfalco?15mg with 480mg ginkgo phytosome and 200mg caffeine is decent for analytical work.

What's up, Razor? I haven't tried NSI yet. I have tried ginkgo and caffeine though. =)

 

Hi Lostfalco!

 

I want to wax lyrical about it—with the caveat of differences in individual neurobiology. I'll hold my judgement until I've used it a little longer, though.

 

Currently...

 

Pros:

Focus.

Long-term memory.

Desire to do analytical/technical activities.

Effects persist. If it's taken in the morning, there's still benefits in the evening, and the next day.

Maybe improved ideation and integration of knowledge.

Maybe improved response to stress.

 

Pro or con:

Perceptively psychoactive.

 

Cons:

No benefit to working memory (as per my forward digit span).



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Posted 17 March 2015 - 01:33 PM

Currently watching. 

 

 


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Posted 17 March 2015 - 02:00 PM

Has the issue of using C60 while taking LLLT been covered in this extensive thread? I have not found any info.



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Posted 20 March 2015 - 01:24 AM

Falco, are you taking the tadalafil?

If so, Do you take the full 20mg or a smaller amount? What is 20mg, a full droppers worth?

So you shouldn't take any nitrates with it, are there other interactions we should be concerned about

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 01:27 AM

Cosmic, Joe discusses it on his site. Basically it isn't good to combine the two since c60 is a long lasting antioxidant and will interfere with the benefits of ROS from lllt.

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 02:38 AM

C60 doesn't mix with LLT? Took a quarter of a bottle last night. Then had some electrical therapy at lunch time today.
Is that why I'm in a lot of pain now. Massive inflammation. Does anything else not go with it other than Methylene Blue?
This pain is extreme what can I do?

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 02:42 AM

So it should in theory be possible to regrow the brain like that fingertip?

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 05:26 AM

So it should in theory be possible to regrow the brain like that fingertip?

 

Brains are known for plasticity but that only goes so far. We will wait for nanoneurosurgery for the big stuff to happen.



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Posted 20 March 2015 - 06:42 AM

So it should in theory be possible to regrow the brain like that fingertip?

In Dr. Becker's published papers, patents, and in his books, he outlines cases of neuro-regeneration with DC fields, and complete organ regeneration in some animals. He published a paper on the use of silver ions with electricity or PEMF (I don't remember) used alongside it as a potential alternative to stem cell treatments, which makes sense since NASA and others have shown PEMF can induce stem cell proliferation and cause direct epigenetic modulation:

 

http://ston.jsc.nasa...2003-212054.pdf


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 02:15 PM

Has the issue of using C60 while taking LLLT been covered in this extensive thread? I have not found any info.

The c60+LLLT issue has been under discussion in these two threads
http://www.longecity...e-using-c60-oo/
http://www.longecity...e-lllt-and-c60/

As you can see actually there is no consensus about the use of these two things, some users report no side effects, others report no difference between the use of LLLT alone and the use of it with c60. One user has reported severe problems, this experience is wich causes more caution... the other experiences does not report any problem. 
 

Cosmic, Joe discusses it on his site. Basically it isn't good to combine the two since c60 is a long lasting antioxidant and will interfere with the benefits of ROS from lllt.

I think that the c60+LLLT issue has many more explanations that just that, for example with c60 applied topically under my scalp and then with the application of LLLT I've been able to achieve an good hair regrowth. LLLT regrowth my hair in the first sessions but then this hair didn't growth more, with the c60+LLLT the tiny hairs have gained strenght I'm very satisfied with the results, since the new hair that LLLT grew was weakening... I think that something related to stem cells is happening here, because apparently one of the mechanism of c60 is related to stem cells, and LLLT has also a mechanism related to stem cell count and survival.  

I think that more experimentation or reports of people doing c60+LLLT is needed, is not appropriate to pick just one caution based on the theory that c60 is a long lasting antioxidant, because the mechanism of c60 is not fully understood, is not just a simple "antioxidant" just look the reports of the c60 forum, scar removal, hair regrowth? with just a simple long lasting antioxidant? o_O... For example what is the consensus or experiences with taking PQQ before the LLLT sesions? What if some antioxidants produce better results when are consumed before the LLLT session?... Perhaps is not too bad to take an "antioxidant" like a Nrf2 inducer, AMPK activators, ATP donors, etc before the LLLT session.
(I use the word anti-oxidant because is a word used for talk about any supplement that produces longevity effects, but really things like Curcumin or Resveratrol aren't just "antioxidants" in the strict sense of the word, becase these supplement activates biological mechanism like mTOR supression, activation of Sirt1 and Nrf2, thse are not just a simple ROS scavenger)

In my case I'm not doing too much LLLT sessions when c60 is my body, more experiences are needed and I don't wan't to take some risks without knowing my genetic profile and in the otherhand I'm not so young (26 years)... On the other hand with c60 I just only need to do small sessions of LLLT, max 60 seconds per sport... the first c60+LLLT session that I did was great, I felt my head full of oxygen, my nose was breathing easy, then I sleep 3 hours and I wake up fully rested, one of the best breaks that I've had.

I think that a small dose of c60 and a small dose of LLLT (30 seconds) isn't going to cause harm, I think that is a good dose for do the experiment and for obtain a preliminary conclusion.

Yesterday I was thinking about taking Nicotinamide Riboside before the LLLT sessions because I'm not reacting well to the HIF1-alpha from LLLT, perhaps I've a bad genetic related to mitochondrial respiration and hypoxia... thats the problem of not living in the US I don't have access to 23andme...


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Posted 20 March 2015 - 03:37 PM

 

Has the issue of using C60 while taking LLLT been covered in this extensive thread? I have not found any info.

The c60+LLLT issue has been under discussion in these two threads
http://www.longecity...e-using-c60-oo/
http://www.longecity...e-lllt-and-c60/

As you can see actually there is no consensus about the use of these two things, some users report no side effects, others report no difference between the use of LLLT alone and the use of it with c60. One user has reported severe problems, this experience is wich causes more caution... the other experiences does not report any problem. 
 

Cosmic, Joe discusses it on his site. Basically it isn't good to combine the two since c60 is a long lasting antioxidant and will interfere with the benefits of ROS from lllt.

I think that the c60+LLLT issue has many more explanations that just that, for example with c60 applied topically under my scalp and then with the application of LLLT I've been able to achieve an good hair regrowth. LLLT regrowth my hair in the first sessions but then this hair didn't growth more, with the c60+LLLT the tiny hairs have gained strenght I'm very satisfied with the results, since the new hair that LLLT grew was weakening... I think that something related to stem cells is happening here, because apparently one of the mechanism of c60 is related to stem cells, and LLLT has also a mechanism related to stem cell count and survival.  

I think that more experimentation or reports of people doing c60+LLLT is needed, is not appropriate to pick just one caution based on the theory that c60 is a long lasting antioxidant, because the mechanism of c60 is not fully understood, is not just a simple "antioxidant" just look the reports of the c60 forum, scar removal, hair regrowth? with just a simple long lasting antioxidant? o_O... For example what is the consensus or experiences with taking PQQ before the LLLT sesions? What if some antioxidants produce better results when are consumed before the LLLT session?... Perhaps is not too bad to take an "antioxidant" like a Nrf2 inducer, AMPK activators, ATP donors, etc before the LLLT session.
(I use the word anti-oxidant because is a word used for talk about any supplement that produces longevity effects, but really things like Curcumin or Resveratrol aren't just "antioxidants" in the strict sense of the word, becase these supplement activates biological mechanism like mTOR supression, activation of Sirt1 and Nrf2, thse are not just a simple ROS scavenger)

In my case I'm not doing too much LLLT sessions when c60 is my body, more experiences are needed and I don't wan't to take some risks without knowing my genetic profile and in the otherhand I'm not so young (26 years)... On the other hand with c60 I just only need to do small sessions of LLLT, max 60 seconds per sport... the first c60+LLLT session that I did was great, I felt my head full of oxygen, my nose was breathing easy, then I sleep 3 hours and I wake up fully rested, one of the best breaks that I've had.

I think that a small dose of c60 and a small dose of LLLT (30 seconds) isn't going to cause harm, I think that is a good dose for do the experiment and for obtain a preliminary conclusion.

Yesterday I was thinking about taking Nicotinamide Riboside before the LLLT sessions because I'm not reacting well to the HIF1-alpha from LLLT, perhaps I've a bad genetic related to mitochondrial respiration and hypoxia... thats the problem of not living in the US I don't have access to 23andme...

 

 

Is that a new rule? I took the test from Scandinavia.
 



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Posted 21 March 2015 - 08:39 AM

 

 

Has the issue of using C60 while taking LLLT been covered in this extensive thread? I have not found any info.

The c60+LLLT issue has been under discussion in these two threads
http://www.longecity...e-using-c60-oo/
http://www.longecity...e-lllt-and-c60/

As you can see actually there is no consensus about the use of these two things, some users report no side effects, others report no difference between the use of LLLT alone and the use of it with c60. One user has reported severe problems, this experience is wich causes more caution... the other experiences does not report any problem. 
 

Cosmic, Joe discusses it on his site. Basically it isn't good to combine the two since c60 is a long lasting antioxidant and will interfere with the benefits of ROS from lllt.

I think that the c60+LLLT issue has many more explanations that just that, for example with c60 applied topically under my scalp and then with the application of LLLT I've been able to achieve an good hair regrowth. LLLT regrowth my hair in the first sessions but then this hair didn't growth more, with the c60+LLLT the tiny hairs have gained strenght I'm very satisfied with the results, since the new hair that LLLT grew was weakening... I think that something related to stem cells is happening here, because apparently one of the mechanism of c60 is related to stem cells, and LLLT has also a mechanism related to stem cell count and survival.  

I think that more experimentation or reports of people doing c60+LLLT is needed, is not appropriate to pick just one caution based on the theory that c60 is a long lasting antioxidant, because the mechanism of c60 is not fully understood, is not just a simple "antioxidant" just look the reports of the c60 forum, scar removal, hair regrowth? with just a simple long lasting antioxidant? o_O... For example what is the consensus or experiences with taking PQQ before the LLLT sesions? What if some antioxidants produce better results when are consumed before the LLLT session?... Perhaps is not too bad to take an "antioxidant" like a Nrf2 inducer, AMPK activators, ATP donors, etc before the LLLT session.
(I use the word anti-oxidant because is a word used for talk about any supplement that produces longevity effects, but really things like Curcumin or Resveratrol aren't just "antioxidants" in the strict sense of the word, becase these supplement activates biological mechanism like mTOR supression, activation of Sirt1 and Nrf2, thse are not just a simple ROS scavenger)

In my case I'm not doing too much LLLT sessions when c60 is my body, more experiences are needed and I don't wan't to take some risks without knowing my genetic profile and in the otherhand I'm not so young (26 years)... On the other hand with c60 I just only need to do small sessions of LLLT, max 60 seconds per sport... the first c60+LLLT session that I did was great, I felt my head full of oxygen, my nose was breathing easy, then I sleep 3 hours and I wake up fully rested, one of the best breaks that I've had.

I think that a small dose of c60 and a small dose of LLLT (30 seconds) isn't going to cause harm, I think that is a good dose for do the experiment and for obtain a preliminary conclusion.

Yesterday I was thinking about taking Nicotinamide Riboside before the LLLT sessions because I'm not reacting well to the HIF1-alpha from LLLT, perhaps I've a bad genetic related to mitochondrial respiration and hypoxia... thats the problem of not living in the US I don't have access to 23andme...

 

 

Is that a new rule? I took the test from Scandinavia.
 

 

This is an interesting psychological phenomena, of my entire (and bad written) post you only replied and took into account a detail of the final part of the post... and nothing related to the important thing.
Here a genetic test cost 1000-1200 USD, too much compared with 23andme, that's why I think that 23andme has much more advantages related to the price, and the importation and exportation of biological content is not an easy thing. 



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Posted 21 March 2015 - 09:09 AM

 

 

 

Has the issue of using C60 while taking LLLT been covered in this extensive thread? I have not found any info.

The c60+LLLT issue has been under discussion in these two threads
http://www.longecity...e-using-c60-oo/
http://www.longecity...e-lllt-and-c60/

As you can see actually there is no consensus about the use of these two things, some users report no side effects, others report no difference between the use of LLLT alone and the use of it with c60. One user has reported severe problems, this experience is wich causes more caution... the other experiences does not report any problem. 
 

Cosmic, Joe discusses it on his site. Basically it isn't good to combine the two since c60 is a long lasting antioxidant and will interfere with the benefits of ROS from lllt.

I think that the c60+LLLT issue has many more explanations that just that, for example with c60 applied topically under my scalp and then with the application of LLLT I've been able to achieve an good hair regrowth. LLLT regrowth my hair in the first sessions but then this hair didn't growth more, with the c60+LLLT the tiny hairs have gained strenght I'm very satisfied with the results, since the new hair that LLLT grew was weakening... I think that something related to stem cells is happening here, because apparently one of the mechanism of c60 is related to stem cells, and LLLT has also a mechanism related to stem cell count and survival.  

I think that more experimentation or reports of people doing c60+LLLT is needed, is not appropriate to pick just one caution based on the theory that c60 is a long lasting antioxidant, because the mechanism of c60 is not fully understood, is not just a simple "antioxidant" just look the reports of the c60 forum, scar removal, hair regrowth? with just a simple long lasting antioxidant? o_O... For example what is the consensus or experiences with taking PQQ before the LLLT sesions? What if some antioxidants produce better results when are consumed before the LLLT session?... Perhaps is not too bad to take an "antioxidant" like a Nrf2 inducer, AMPK activators, ATP donors, etc before the LLLT session.
(I use the word anti-oxidant because is a word used for talk about any supplement that produces longevity effects, but really things like Curcumin or Resveratrol aren't just "antioxidants" in the strict sense of the word, becase these supplement activates biological mechanism like mTOR supression, activation of Sirt1 and Nrf2, thse are not just a simple ROS scavenger)

In my case I'm not doing too much LLLT sessions when c60 is my body, more experiences are needed and I don't wan't to take some risks without knowing my genetic profile and in the otherhand I'm not so young (26 years)... On the other hand with c60 I just only need to do small sessions of LLLT, max 60 seconds per sport... the first c60+LLLT session that I did was great, I felt my head full of oxygen, my nose was breathing easy, then I sleep 3 hours and I wake up fully rested, one of the best breaks that I've had.

I think that a small dose of c60 and a small dose of LLLT (30 seconds) isn't going to cause harm, I think that is a good dose for do the experiment and for obtain a preliminary conclusion.

Yesterday I was thinking about taking Nicotinamide Riboside before the LLLT sessions because I'm not reacting well to the HIF1-alpha from LLLT, perhaps I've a bad genetic related to mitochondrial respiration and hypoxia... thats the problem of not living in the US I don't have access to 23andme...

 

 

Is that a new rule? I took the test from Scandinavia.
 

 

This is an interesting psychological phenomena, of my entire (and bad written) post you only replied and took into account a detail of the final part of the post... and nothing related to the important thing.
Here a genetic test cost 1000-1200 USD, too much compared with 23andme, that's why I think that 23andme has much more advantages related to the price, and the importation and exportation of biological content is not an easy thing. 

 

 

No hard feelings. I have been pondering your post for most of the day while thinking about ordering an LLLT. But at the moment of reading it through I reacted on the final sentence, I bought the test for about $90 from Sweden in 2013.  Is it impossible for you to order the test, download the raw data and then upload it to Prometheus?



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Posted 23 March 2015 - 06:51 PM

So has anyone ordered and received ICES yet? Holding off until some reviews besides selfhacked start coming in.


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Posted 23 March 2015 - 07:42 PM

So has anyone ordered and received ICES yet? Holding off until some reviews besides selfhacked start coming in.

Mine just got here today. Already started messing around with it. Initial impression very positive...non-stimulating clarity/crispness, very clear focus. Will write more later tonight when I get back from class. =)

 

Of course, this is Day 1 so my report should be taken with a grain of salt and a shaker full of biases and heuristics awareness.  


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Posted 23 March 2015 - 07:57 PM

 

So has anyone ordered and received ICES yet? Holding off until some reviews besides selfhacked start coming in.

Mine just got here today. Already started messing around with it. Initial impression very positive...non-stimulating clarity/crispness, very clear focus. Will write more later tonight when I get back from class. =)

 

Of course, this is Day 1 so my report should be taken with a grain of salt and a shaker full of biases and heuristics awareness.  

 

 

I'm very interested in your experiences. Even though I've had some succes with LLLT I also encountered the negative results. ICES looks very promising based on Joe Cohen's review. 



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Posted 23 March 2015 - 08:11 PM

 

So has anyone ordered and received ICES yet? Holding off until some reviews besides selfhacked start coming in.

Mine just got here today. Already started messing around with it. Initial impression very positive...non-stimulating clarity/crispness, very clear focus. Will write more later tonight when I get back from class. =)

 

Of course, this is Day 1 so my report should be taken with a grain of salt and a shaker full of biases and heuristics awareness.  

 

 

Great :) Thank you. I am curious about what effects this has on stress response. As we know chronic stress is one of the worst things for our health and mental abilities, anti-stress is one of the most potent nootropics. It'd be interesting to see if you notice more benefits when you are feeling stressed or anxious.



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Posted 24 March 2015 - 04:19 AM

 

Great :) Thank you. I am curious about what effects this has on stress response. As we know chronic stress is one of the worst things for our health and mental abilities, anti-stress is one of the most potent nootropics. It'd be interesting to see if you notice more benefits when you are feeling stressed or anxious.

 

What's up xls? No problem, man. 

 

I don't have a whole lot to add from earlier but I've tested it out a little more this evening. I'm experimenting with the different formations that Dr. Dennis outlined on Youtube (linked below) and also placing the coils on different parts of my brain. As I mentioned before, it's not stimulating at all. Everything just feels very clear...very smooth. It is actually reminiscent of LLLT in that way (for me at least).

 

It's different from LLLT so far in that the effects seem to fade much quicker. One session of LLLT has noticeable effects on me for about 3 days before they start to fade. ICES seems to have noticeable effects more in the range of hours. 

 

Another thing I've noticed is that ICES doesn't seem to be hormetic. There is no downtime. I actually feel great while the coils are on and there is no apparent dip once I remove them. 

 

So, my Day 1 impression is very positive. Of course, the HUGE caveat is that it's Day 1. I've tried many things that seemed great for a few days or a few weeks. The real test is time. I'll keep you guys updated as I research more and thanks again Joe for the awesome new experimental idea! I've been wanting to try PEMF for a long time. 

 


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Posted 24 March 2015 - 06:37 AM

just watched the PEMF vs ICES video and it looks very interesting.

I have reached out to Paul (creator of Earthpulse) and asked for his thoughts on it. If he is okay with it, I will post it here as well.

 

The Earthpulse 5 is the one I have personally been using for the last 9 months, and it has helped us cope with a lack of sleep due to newborn :-).

 

ICES surely looks like to have a lot of potential so I am keen to hear more about your results Falco.

 

@Joe, thanks for pointing us towards this device!



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Posted 24 March 2015 - 11:50 AM

 

 

Great :) Thank you. I am curious about what effects this has on stress response. As we know chronic stress is one of the worst things for our health and mental abilities, anti-stress is one of the most potent nootropics. It'd be interesting to see if you notice more benefits when you are feeling stressed or anxious.

 

What's up xls? No problem, man. 

 

I don't have a whole lot to add from earlier but I've tested it out a little more this evening. I'm experimenting with the different formations that Dr. Dennis outlined on Youtube (linked below) and also placing the coils on different parts of my brain. As I mentioned before, it's not stimulating at all. Everything just feels very clear...very smooth. It is actually reminiscent of LLLT in that way (for me at least).

 

It's different from LLLT so far in that the effects seem to fade much quicker. One session of LLLT has noticeable effects on me for about 3 days before they start to fade. ICES seems to have noticeable effects more in the range of hours. 

 

Another thing I've noticed is that ICES doesn't seem to be hormetic. There is no downtime. I actually feel great while the coils are on and there is no apparent dip once I remove them. 

 

So, my Day 1 impression is very positive. Of course, the HUGE caveat is that it's Day 1. I've tried many things that seemed great for a few days or a few weeks. The real test is time. I'll keep you guys updated as I research more and thanks again Joe for the awesome new experimental idea! I've been wanting to try PEMF for a long time. 

 

 

1) Taking into account what you says seems accurate use first LLLT and then use ICES :O

2) What have you notice in regarding to healing of wounds, pain, regeneration of tissue and things related? 



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 03:43 AM

A showdown of epic proportions...LLLT vs. Pulsating Magnetic Field Therapy for lower back osteoarthritis. Looks like a draw!

 

Ok, I don't know how applicable this is for us but I thought it was interesting in light of recent experiments. =)

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/25763584

 

Pol Merkur Lekarski. 2015 Jan 25;38(223):26-31.

[Comparison of the effect of laser and magnetic therapy for pain level and the range of motion of the spine of people with osteoarthritis lower back].
[Article in Polish]
Abstract

Increased expression of degenerative disease of the lumbar spine is an onerous task, which reduces the efficiency of the activity and life of many populations. It is the most common cause of medical visits. In 95% of cases the cause of complaints is a destructive process in the course of degenerative intervertebral disc called a lumbar disc herniation. Protrusion of the nucleus pulposus causes severe pain and impaired muscle tone, often more chronic and difficult to master. Successful treatment of lumbar disc herniation constitutes a serious interdisciplinary problem. It is important to properly planned and carried out physiotherapy. Based on the number of non-invasive methods, to reduce muscle tension, mute pain and alleviation of inflammation. It is the treatment safe, effective, and at the same time, which is their big advantage, readily available and cheap. It is worth noting that not every method has the same efficiency. The question that the methods are effective in relieving pain and helping to effectively increase the range of motion led to a comparison of two methods - Low Level Laser Therapy (LLLT) and pulsating magnetic field therapy.

AIM: 

The aim of the study was to compare the efficacy of LLLT and pulsating magnetic field therapy in combating pain and increase range of motion of the spine of people with degenerative spine disease of the lower back.

MATERIALS AND METHODS: 

120 patients with diagnose lumbar disc herniation whit no nerve roots symptoms. Patients were divided into two Groups: A and B. Group A of 60 patients were subjected to laser therapy (λ=820nm, P=400mW, Ed=6-12 J/cm²) and the second Group B of 60 patients too, to pulsating magnetic fields procedures (5mT, 30 Hz, 15 minutes). Every patient before rehabilitation started and right after it has finished has undergone examination. Subjective pain assessment was carried out using a modified Laitinen questionnaire and Visual Analogue Scale of Pain intensity. Spine mobility was evaluated whit the Schober test and the Fingertip-to-floor-test. The obtained results were subjects to statistical analysis.

RESULTS: 

Research shows that both low energy laser and pulsating magnetic field physical attributes are effective methods for the treatment of pain and restricted mobility of the spine caused by disc herniation. Careful analysis emphasizes greater efficiency laser for pain. In contrast, a statistically greater improvement in global mobility of the spine, as well as flexion and extension of the lumbar recorded in group B, where the applied pulsating magnetic field.

CONCLUSIONS: 

Both laser and magnet therapy reduces pain and improves mobility of the spine of people with degenerative spine disease of the lower back. Comparison of the effectiveness of both methods showed a greater analgesic effect of laser treatment, and greater mobility of the spine was observed under the influence of pulsating magnetic field therapy.

 


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Posted 25 March 2015 - 04:17 AM

 

My only experience thus far with PEMF are the EarthPulse v4.7 and 5.0. OpaqueMind has also used the v4.7 if I'm not mistaken and enjoyed it. My experience is only 'okay'. It has been mildly positive. I definitely find value in the EarthPulse, particularly the 5.0 with all the coils attached (to make it more powerful), but it hasn't changed my life as it has for others. I plan on getting some other PEMF units when I have the money, but I have no idea if I will use one of the many ICES techs, or something like the Lenyo Meridian, Lenyo Sleep System, QRS (more pricey), etc. I've also been contemplating going to a local clinic and paying for sessions with the DeltaPulse, a medical/sports professional unit.

 

Overall, though, I suspect this technology will prove to be extremely useful and potentially more potent than most other supplements, drugs, etc. It can cause direct epigenetic changes, modulate various transcription factors, and I suspect coming from the perspective of Gilbert Ling and Ray Damadian, it probably impacts the nano-protoplasm of a cell, protein unfolding, and more. Definitely something I want to mess around with a lot more. 

 

Thanks for the feedback, Papa. I remembered that you were going to test the EarthPulse out over a year ago. I was curious how it turned out for you. 

 

I'm still working my way through a lot of the literature on ICES/PEMF. Dr. Dennis seems to think that the mechanism of action consists of paracellular ion currents impacting some currently undiscovered cell surface ionic receptor. He thinks this functions as a sort of exercise mimicker. Have you come across anyone else that holds this position or is it peculiar to Dennis?  



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 04:30 AM

 

When TULIP alone (without c60) was working well for me I did some sessions with PDE4 inhibition+cAMP increase (CILTEP) I never experienced some negative effect like cAMP overload.
 

 I think that this stack could become as close to the "NZT" if is tweaked in the correct way.
 

I will experiment with cordyceps+PDE4 inhibition anyway, It's something I've wanted to do for quite some time 3:) 

 

That's cool, BieraK. The early statements about possible cAMP overload were simply guesses at the mechanism behind OpaqueMind's negative experience. I'm glad that it didn't seem to affect you.

 

I think you're on the right track in looking for the next level of enhancement. I'll be interested to hear your experience with cordyceps+PDE4. I've been having some really good results lately with PDE5 inhibition using tadalafil. I would definitely suggest looking into it for memory consolidation (not acquisition) enhancement. 

 



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 04:37 AM

Hi Lostfalco!

 

 

I want to wax lyrical about it—with the caveat of differences in individual neurobiology. I'll hold my judgement until I've used it a little longer, though.

 

Currently...

 

Pros:

Focus.

Long-term memory.

Desire to do analytical/technical activities.

Effects persist. If it's taken in the morning, there's still benefits in the evening, and the next day.

Maybe improved ideation and integration of knowledge.

Maybe improved response to stress.

 

Pro or con:

Perceptively psychoactive.

 

Cons:

No benefit to working memory (as per my forward digit span).

 

Very interesting, Razor. Thanks for the heads up. I've been looking into NSI for a while and I've heard mostly good things about it. I'll be interested to hear your overall impression once your cycle finishes up. 



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 04:51 AM

Falco, are you taking the tadalafil?

If so, Do you take the full 20mg or a smaller amount? What is 20mg, a full droppers worth?

So you shouldn't take any nitrates with it, are there other interactions we should be concerned about

What's up, mettmett? I am testing it currently. 

 

I'm experimenting with different doses but I always lean toward minimum effective dosing...5mg seems pretty solid so far. The approved dose for pulmonary arterial hypertension is 40mg daily so I am still well below that. 

 

I think at low doses our risk of side effects is minimal (though still possible). I'd be cautious about nitrates, vasodilators, blood thinners, etc. 

 

So far, I really like it a lot for memory enhancement. My Anki studying has been excellent and I am remembering a massive number of details from day to day. I've been testing it for around two weeks now. It seems like a keeper at this point. Time will tell though. Have you started testing it yet?


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