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#61 Adaptogen

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 09:06 PM

My >99.5%, <50 volatile ppm C60 from Solaris Chem has arrived as of today. I will be taking it, as well as the rest of my family (father, mother, brother, and cat). I am unsure of what dosing schedule to follow, but I will probably dissolve the 1 gram in 1000ml olive oil, and then ingest 1-2 ml each week.

We will all be testing resting heart rates as well as a treadmill test for cardio endurance. My father has been damaged by years of continued statin use without any mitochondrial supplementation. He experiences muscle pain which I believe is a result of this, so I imagine that he will benefit the most from the C60.

I will document various scars and skin issues with photographs before any of us begin supplementation.

Are there any other tests that you would recommend?

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 09:51 PM

My >99.5%, <50 volatile ppm C60 from Solaris Chem has arrived as of today. I will be taking it, as well as the rest of my family (father, mother, brother, and cat). I am unsure of what dosing schedule to follow, but I will probably dissolve the 1 gram in 1000ml olive oil, and then ingest 1-2 ml each week.

We will all be testing resting heart rates as well as a treadmill test for cardio endurance. My father has been damaged by years of continued statin use without any mitochondrial supplementation. He experiences muscle pain which I believe is a result of this, so I imagine that he will benefit the most from the C60.

I will document various scars and skin issues with photographs before any of us begin supplementation.

Are there any other tests that you would recommend?


I don't think you will get a gram to go into a liter of olive oil. The highest concentration that anyone is reporting is 900mg/liter (Sarah Vaughter) while Baati et al. used 800mg/liter. It's easier to make a solution with a lower concentration, for example, 500mg in 750ml is convenient and works out to 667mg/l (0.67mg/ml).

I'm interested in how your father responds. Try to get reliable "before" readings on the treadmill from everyone, but particularly your dad. I wouldn't expect any response on scars, but lesions with an inflammatory component may improve, given some time. 1-2ml/week is a little on the low side.
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Posted 21 May 2013 - 05:59 PM

I would get your dad to take the Lipid Peroxides (TBARS)-METAMETRIX KIT before and 3-6 months after supplementation. What do you think niner? The test runs $179 and could provide you with good info. There are also some other tests that would be more expensive. Who is your insurance carrier and what plan do you have?

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An indicator of whole body free radical activity. High levels of lipid peroxides are associated with cancer, heart disease, stroke, and aging.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:14 PM

CC, how did you find the price? Genova and Metametrix (they're now affiliated with each other) seem to be pretty cagey about pricing. I must have missed it. I like the Genova oxidative health panel more, since it has glutathione and gpx, but I like this price. I don't actually know what the Genova panel costs. It seems that they are trying to steer people to doctors for that info. Creepily secretive.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:20 PM

Are there any other tests that you would recommend?


Check your hearing. This one's easy and free--
http://www.audiochec...staudiogram.php

Just be sure to calibrate the sound volume.
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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:50 PM

That will be another good test for my father who has experienced significant hearing loss, recently suffering from a perforated eardrum. I think we have results from his most recent hearing tests, when his hearing stabilized after the hole was patched. Those should be just as good, right?

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:34 AM

CC, how did you find the price? Genova and Metametrix (they're now affiliated with each other) seem to be pretty cagey about pricing. I must have missed it. I like the Genova oxidative health panel more, since it has glutathione and gpx, but I like this price. I don't actually know what the Genova panel costs. It seems that they are trying to steer people to doctors for that info. Creepily secretive.


Direct labs has their pricing on the site. I don't know if they're associated with Genova or Metametrix or anyone else. They pay up to $25 for sample collection. So their may be a little more involved as far as the fee goes, but I wouldn't imagine much.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:50 AM

That will be another good test for my father who has experienced significant hearing loss, recently suffering from a perforated eardrum. I think we have results from his most recent hearing tests, when his hearing stabilized after the hole was patched. Those should be just as good, right?


The hearing test is free... I'd have him do the free stuff just to get current baseline info. His hearing may have continued to improve and using the test set "post patch procedure" will involve spending more money. Let's stick to free where we can so we can test as much as we want. Just make sure you're using the same sound equipment each time. Frequency response and sound reproduction varies greatly from system to system, especially on laptops. I would definitely use something hooked up to a good set of external speakers. Using built in tablet or laptop speakers wouldn't be ideal. But if he's still having hearing tests/work done and his hearing hasn't stabilized it might make some fun anecdotal data, but I wouldn't expect the results to be taken too seriously. I'm still interested in potential data leads though as he's got a condition.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 01:04 AM

Ok, cool. I found the Lipid Peroxides (TBARS)-METAMETRIX KIT test (filed under the letter "L") on the Direct Labs site. It's $179, but it looks like it only measures one thing. Direct Labs also has the Oxidative Stress 2.0, blood-Genova KIT (under the "O" link) for $319. That's $140 more, but it measures a lot more redox-related analytes. If money is no (or not much of an) object, that would be the one I'd go for. However, considering that you have to do it twice, it's not cheap.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 04:17 AM

Ok, cool. I found the Lipid Peroxides (TBARS)-METAMETRIX KIT test (filed under the letter "L") on the Direct Labs site. It's $179, but it looks like it only measures one thing. Direct Labs also has the Oxidative Stress 2.0, blood-Genova KIT (under the "O" link) for $319. That's $140 more, but it measures a lot more redox-related analytes. If money is no (or not much of an) object, that would be the one I'd go for. However, considering that you have to do it twice, it's not cheap.


That's definitely a better test. We know in rats that SOD and Glutathione levels decrease in healthy populations and are lower in toxin challenged populations than those not being given C60 indicating that survival requires less SOD and Glutathione (GPX) when you're on C60. The sample results may look scarey at first until you realize the C60 is mopping up ROS. If you didn't take the first baseline test, the C60 results might make you look like you had a problem producing the antioxidants. I'd suggest trying to measure a specific radical in addition to lipid peroxides. I think it's safe to assume that an antioxidant will lower SOD and GPX, what's more important is figuring out which radical is getting it's ass kicked so well that it could impact lifespan. I guess this would be better if we could do the same test on rats first to determine what it's working on there and then confirm it in humans, but backwards wouldn't be bad either and could yield a different perspective. You know your stuff, what do you think?

The last bar is all the lipid peroxides test would show.
https://www.directla...type=testsample

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 02:37 AM

Ok, cool. I found the Lipid Peroxides (TBARS)-METAMETRIX KIT test (filed under the letter "L") on the Direct Labs site. It's $179, but it looks like it only measures one thing. Direct Labs also has the Oxidative Stress 2.0, blood-Genova KIT (under the "O" link) for $319. That's $140 more, but it measures a lot more redox-related analytes. If money is no (or not much of an) object, that would be the one I'd go for. However, considering that you have to do it twice, it's not cheap.


That's definitely a better test. We know in rats that SOD and Glutathione levels decrease in healthy populations and are lower in toxin challenged populations than those not being given C60 indicating that survival requires less SOD and Glutathione (GPX) when you're on C60. The sample results may look scarey at first until you realize the C60 is mopping up ROS. If you didn't take the first baseline test, the C60 results might make you look like you had a problem producing the antioxidants. I'd suggest trying to measure a specific radical in addition to lipid peroxides. I think it's safe to assume that an antioxidant will lower SOD and GPX, what's more important is figuring out which radical is getting it's ass kicked so well that it could impact lifespan. I guess this would be better if we could do the same test on rats first to determine what it's working on there and then confirm it in humans, but backwards wouldn't be bad either and could yield a different perspective.


Yeah, I'd really like to see the Genova oxidation panel run on a handful of people who initially have never taken c60, then again after using c60-oo. Perhaps even a third test around 6 months out, to see if there are longer term adaptations. I wonder if we could get LongeCity to fund such a study in a few people? You're right that some of the redox parameters can seem counter-intuitive. Radicals are very hard to measure, but the most common mitochondrial one is superoxide anion, which some forms of c60 are known to dismutate, which is what SOD does.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 05:57 PM

Ok, cool. I found the Lipid Peroxides (TBARS)-METAMETRIX KIT test (filed under the letter "L") on the Direct Labs site. It's $179, but it looks like it only measures one thing. Direct Labs also has the Oxidative Stress 2.0, blood-Genova KIT (under the "O" link) for $319. That's $140 more, but it measures a lot more redox-related analytes. If money is no (or not much of an) object, that would be the one I'd go for. However, considering that you have to do it twice, it's not cheap.


That's definitely a better test. We know in rats that SOD and Glutathione levels decrease in healthy populations and are lower in toxin challenged populations than those not being given C60 indicating that survival requires less SOD and Glutathione (GPX) when you're on C60. The sample results may look scarey at first until you realize the C60 is mopping up ROS. If you didn't take the first baseline test, the C60 results might make you look like you had a problem producing the antioxidants. I'd suggest trying to measure a specific radical in addition to lipid peroxides. I think it's safe to assume that an antioxidant will lower SOD and GPX, what's more important is figuring out which radical is getting it's ass kicked so well that it could impact lifespan. I guess this would be better if we could do the same test on rats first to determine what it's working on there and then confirm it in humans, but backwards wouldn't be bad either and could yield a different perspective.


Yeah, I'd really like to see the Genova oxidation panel run on a handful of people who initially have never taken c60, then again after using c60-oo. Perhaps even a third test around 6 months out, to see if there are longer term adaptations. I wonder if we could get LongeCity to fund such a study in a few people? You're right that some of the redox parameters can seem counter-intuitive. Radicals are very hard to measure, but the most common mitochondrial one is superoxide anion, which some forms of c60 are known to dismutate, which is what SOD does.


Adaptogen's insurance is looking pretty good, and covers preventative care and screenings at no charge. It pays for 80% of tests prescribed by a doc. Let's look at what we know about Adaptogen's Dad's health. He's having lots of age related problems and and the oxidation panel would be a good screening to have and let his doctors know where he stands and could identify risks. The first should be covered as a screening and given his state of health, he'd probably benefit from lifestyle/diet changes which would of course include C60. The question is, would the second test be covered as a second/follow up screening or as a regular test? In either case, I imagine it could be used quite effectively to improve the patient's health. I imagine it should be a secondary screening. The info I have may not be complete though. I haven't seen anything about preventative care limits or anything like that... but given the group buying the policy, it could be unlimited. This info comes from my first skim of the document.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:32 PM

CC, instead of pandering C60 to everybody else, why don't you take the tests you're pushing and start a course of C60 yourself? Or do you have self serving interests at everybody else's expense?
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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:42 PM

Niner, this is the secret to our 900 mg/l concentration:

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It is a $8000,- machine that turns the rather coarse C60 powder into 10 μM particles.
You can see the "Solaris" logo on the jar with 250 g C60. After micro-pulverization, the C60 is dried in our high-temp vacuum oven to make the purity 99.95%.

Edited by SarahVaughter, 23 May 2013 - 06:51 PM.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:59 PM

CC, instead of pandering C60 to everybody else, why don't you take the tests you're pushing and start a course of C60 yourself? Or do you have self serving interests at everybody else's expense?


I'm currently unemployed/underemployed and don't have access to medical care and I'm just about broke, otherwise I would do it.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 06:42 AM

We have evolved very long lifespans, probably because or our large brains, tool use, and social organization, which cause us to be less victimized by predation.



I'd modify that a bit.

The reason traits like "long lifespan" exist is through evolution: those without that trait die out, leaving a population of individuals with that trait. This is "selective pressure".

In the case of humans we need to identify a selective pressure on long lifespan. I think that it is indeed connected with our large brains, tool use and social organization (our "culture"), but the way that it's connected is not related to less predation. Rather, our culture is so complex that it takes a long time to learn all of it, and there is a need for a storehouse of knowledge.

The fact that it takes a long time to learn means that we need longer lived individuals around both to teach it and to protect the younger individuals until they've learned it. The fact that it's complex means that there will be elements of experience which relate to infrequent events, such as illnesses, animal attacks (17 year locusts, etc.) severe weather conditions or other natural disasters. The knowledge of how to deal with these infrequent events is held in the brains of older individuals, who must stay alive long enough to pass down this "wisdom" to the younger ones.

So in my view, the selective pressure which produced our long lifespans is that shorter-lived humans would be at a disadvantage because too much knowledge would be lost between each generation

The bible was mentioned in regards to the question of whether humans may have been much longer-lived in the past. If this were true, it would need to be able to be explained in evolutionary terms.

Remember that humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years and writing is only a few thousand years old. With the advent of writing, it may have become less essential for humans to live quite as long as before, since some critical knowledge could be preserved in written form rather than in the brains of the elders. So (again, if the ages mentioned in the bible are at all correct) perhaps the selective pressure for VERY long lifespans was reduced, and we ended up with the lifespans we see today.

Similar claims have been made with regard to intelligence: in societies with a less developed technology, everyone has to be rather intelligent in order to survive. Each person has to have mastery of all the knowledge regarding each type of plant and animal, each technique for hunting, making plants edible, treating all kinds of problems, how to build traps and dwellings, etc. And each person has to be flexible enough to respond to changing environmental conditions. As technology became more advanced, with the advent of agriculture, division of labor allowed some people to learn only a few tasks while others did the other tasks. This allowed less intelligent people to survive and reproduce, thereby reducing the average intelligence of the species.

So perhaps long lifespans of two hundred years or more could be a trait we have lost. If so, the capacity may lie dormant in us, opening up the possibility that we could, through some combination of treatments and supplements, reawaken this existing trait and fairly easily double or triple our lifespans.

It's only a hypothesis, but it's one that implies that we shouldn't give up too quickly on the idea that we may see significant life extension from C60 or some other agents.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 02:45 PM

Any translation available for Boris's video? I understand a little Dutch but most of what he is saying is lost on me.


Basically he talked about, in his opinion, the three most important supplements, namely:

- Resveratrol (however he didn't mention dosage)
- TA-65 (also no dosage mentioned)
- C60 (also no dosage mentioned)

He said that he ordered 200 bottles of C60 and he wanted to try with a group of 30-50 people the C60, to see what kind of effects this had on the people. They will just describe their feelings after using C60 and possibly they will also do some medical tests and other kinds of tests such as a telomere length tests (depends if test person wants to spend money on it).

He has been taking C60 for half a year himself, and with his 43 years old he has noticed a significant increase in power with some excercises that he otherwise wouldn't have had. He claims this, because he hasn't changed anything to the excercises, the intensity or the diet/supplements he is taking, except the C60. Moreover, with 43 years you have had normally already your best period behind you, with regards of power and strength and after a stable period he did experience an unexpected increase. He also gained 4 kilo of muscle mass and has a feeling of being unbeatable. The next step will be that he is going to implement TA-65 into his supplement regimen and he will probably, just like he did now with C60, report his results/experiences with this supplement.

Some things that raise my doubts in this video:

- He also claimed that on average his performance and that of his clients increased with 30%, just by taking resveratrol supplements. I haven't read elsewhere such astonishing results.
- He advocates using C60 is totally safe and that the last '18 years of research' have shown that C60 is surely not toxic, nor dangerous. I would not say this to my clients, because there is in my opinion simply not enough proof to verify these claims.

I find it a very good initiative and I totally support him in spreading the word about C60, but I do slighlty condemn the way he informed his clients. I do think though that he really aspires the best for himself and his clients, hence his intentions should be very noble.

I hope this informed you sufficiently.

Let's see what comes out of this experiment.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 08:10 PM

Thanks for the translation, leclochard! That's very helpful.

This will be interesting, but probably not a publishable study. It is, however, less of a free-for-all bag of anecdotes than we have at the moment, so we could learn something from it. I doubt that anyone gets 30% performance increase from resveratrol alone. Maybe resveratrol + work, if starting from a moderate baseline. I think he's shooting from the hip regarding human safety. It looks pretty good for Wistar rats, and based on the hundred+ people here, It doesn't appear to be acutely toxic...

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 09:57 PM

I do kind of wander about the effects of using it as a topical considering the photo excitation study... How much light does it take to excite C60, was it attached to EVOO at the time or just sitting by itself in a dish? Aren't there lots of skin creams that are to be used overnight? So many that they have a name as a group (can't remember it)? Wouldn't the C60 be attracted to the damage in the top layer and start working it's way in immediately leaving behind mostly oils that weren't saturated with C60?

As for having longer lifespans in the past, I imagine it must have been before we were what we are now. If that's what the bible is talking about then it must be using some assumption from fossil history or word of mouth. Assuming that nature wants us dead, the older a species got, the shorter it's lifespan would be as more things would evolve to kill and eat it. Then we discover medicine and start living longer. Is there any way we could look at our fossil record for some conclusive evidence that we once lived longer lives?
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Posted 05 June 2013 - 01:20 AM

I do kind of wander about the effects of using it as a topical considering the photo excitation study... How much light does it take to excite C60, was it attached to EVOO at the time or just sitting by itself in a dish? Aren't there lots of skin creams that are to be used overnight? So many that they have a name as a group (can't remember it)? Wouldn't the C60 be attracted to the damage in the top layer and start working it's way in immediately leaving behind mostly oils that weren't saturated with C60?


C60-oo is not attracted to damage. It's a molecule, and just obeys the laws of chemical physics. It will be more likely to be found in a lipid environment, because that is a lower energy/more stable environment for it. In a lean body, one of the main lipid environments is membranes, which are made of lipids. Because the mitochondrial OxPhos machinery is embedded in and surrounded by membranes, and it is the source of most of the damaging free radicals the body encounters, c60-oo happens to accumulate in significant amounts exactly where it's needed, which is one of the big reasons it works as well as it does. It will also accumulate in cellular membranes and in fat, where it's needed less, or not at all.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 01:54 AM

As for having longer lifespans in the past, I imagine it must have been before we were what we are now. If that's what the bible is talking about then it must be using some assumption from fossil history or word of mouth. Assuming that nature wants us dead, the older a species got, the shorter it's lifespan would be as more things would evolve to kill and eat it. Then we discover medicine and start living longer. Is there any way we could look at our fossil record for some conclusive evidence that we once lived longer lives?


That's not how it works. Reread my post. A species' characteristics depend on selective pressures.

I don't think the fossil record can tell us what human lifespans were in the past, except by comparing the way the skeletons look to more recent skeletons for which we know the age of death. The problem with that is that it's possible that a 100 year old skeleton of the past could look like a 70 year old skeleton of today, if aging worked more slowly then.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 03:50 AM

As for having longer lifespans in the past, I imagine it must have been before we were what we are now. If that's what the bible is talking about then it must be using some assumption from fossil history or word of mouth. Assuming that nature wants us dead, the older a species got, the shorter it's lifespan would be as more things would evolve to kill and eat it. Then we discover medicine and start living longer. Is there any way we could look at our fossil record for some conclusive evidence that we once lived longer lives?


That's not how it works. Reread my post. A species' characteristics depend on selective pressures.

I don't think the fossil record can tell us what human lifespans were in the past, except by comparing the way the skeletons look to more recent skeletons for which we know the age of death. The problem with that is that it's possible that a 100 year old skeleton of the past could look like a 70 year old skeleton of today, if aging worked more slowly then.


How else might that be provable? Whoever wrote it, must have had some reason for writing it if it actually has anything to do with human lifespan and not something else entirely. Whoever wrote it had to get the hypothesis from some information that was known in the past.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 12:42 PM

How else might that be provable? Whoever wrote it, must have had some reason for writing it if it actually has anything to do with human lifespan and not something else entirely. Whoever wrote it had to get the hypothesis from some information that was known in the past.


Well, they sure as hell didn't get it from the fossil record, since that didn't exist until relatively recently. The Bible that we read in English was translated, or possibly mis-translated, from an older language long ago. I had a friend who taught himself Greek so he could read an older version of the Bible, and either get closer to the truth or make his own mis-tranlations, depending on the quality of his understanding of 4th century Greek, not to mention the veracity of earlier translation from Biblical Hebrew or Aramaic

The evidence for extreme ages in Biblical times would presumably boil down to divine inspiration. If we accept the extreme ages as factual, then wouldn't we also have to accept that the age of the universe is ~6000 years?
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Posted 05 June 2013 - 12:55 PM

Similar claims have been made with regard to intelligence: in societies with a less developed technology, everyone has to be rather intelligent in order to survive. Each person has to have mastery of all the knowledge regarding each type of plant and animal, each technique for hunting, making plants edible, treating all kinds of problems, how to build traps and dwellings, etc. And each person has to be flexible enough to respond to changing environmental conditions. As technology became more advanced, with the advent of agriculture, division of labor allowed some people to learn only a few tasks while others did the other tasks. This allowed less intelligent people to survive and reproduce, thereby reducing the average intelligence of the species.

So perhaps long lifespans of two hundred years or more could be a trait we have lost. If so, the capacity may lie dormant in us, opening up the possibility that we could, through some combination of treatments and supplements, reawaken this existing trait and fairly easily double or triple our lifespans.


Our culture and technology has been getting more complex for a long time, and we've been getting more and more specialized, yet measured IQ has been going up, rather than down. I would argue that a 70-80 year lifespan is more than enough to hold a record of the knowledge that mattered (agriculture, weather, etc) in the pre-literate era, so the selection pressure for ages much longer than that would be extremely low. There were a number of populations that existed until relatively recently that didn't have writing, yet did not show advanced age.

I don't doubt that we could double or triple our lifespans- all we have to do is this.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 02:07 PM

My recollection is that average brain size, an indirect IQ measure, has actually been decreasing since about 5000 BC (qhen the invention of agriculture is thought to have made survival of the stupid more likely.) The trend reversed about two hundred years ago with the beginning of the industrial revolution.

I'm told by some biologists that parts of the human genome have since then been undergoing intense selective pressures, but no one is sure what else is being selected for besides,perhaps, brain size.

But back to C60: if it does more than square the curve of maximum lifespan, I'm all for it.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 05:58 PM

Thanks for the translation leclohard. I agree with all your points. Please keep us informed if you see or hear of any results.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:15 PM

How else might that be provable? Whoever wrote it, must have had some reason for writing it if it actually has anything to do with human lifespan and not something else entirely. Whoever wrote it had to get the hypothesis from some information that was known in the past.


Well, they sure as hell didn't get it from the fossil record, since that didn't exist until relatively recently. The Bible that we read in English was translated, or possibly mis-translated, from an older language long ago. I had a friend who taught himself Greek so he could read an older version of the Bible, and either get closer to the truth or make his own mis-tranlations, depending on the quality of his understanding of 4th century Greek, not to mention the veracity of earlier translation from Biblical Hebrew or Aramaic

The evidence for extreme ages in Biblical times would presumably boil down to divine inspiration. If we accept the extreme ages as factual, then wouldn't we also have to accept that the age of the universe is ~6000 years?


Perhaps that's how long we had the bible or the church culture. I never said I believed the bible was a historical record at face value. None of it happened in the literal sense. Do I believe god existed before man? No, but I do believe that god exists b/c I know an intelligent lifeform (probably a woman) invented god, it would be stupid not to and to choose a belief that gives "god" position over you by virtue of having closed "ears." I just don't believe that god is righteous.

C60's apparent safety aside, I think we should leave religion alone. We shouldn't be attracting someone who doesn't know any better to take a risk with their life that they may not risk if they knew there wasn't a life waiting for them after medicine did all it could.
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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:16 PM

Can a moderator remove the religious posts to the proper forum. Completely off topic to talk about that here.
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Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:51 AM

Any news on test results(blood or otherwise) during c60 trials?

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:35 AM

Actually, we just learned that Canadians can get any blood test they want if they're willing to wait in line for it. Have you tried C60? I'd like to see some Canadians go off of C60 for 3-4 weeks (if they've already been using it), get some tests done and then immediately return to, or start using C60 while they wait for the second test and then keep getting tested. The tests we were thinking are discussed above.

Man, it's good to be a Canadian!

How about it?

We have lots of people getting tests post C60 and they look good, what we really need is to determine what's being improved.

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