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[ThePhoeron]

I can see now for myself what's been said on here. The combination of Sunifiram and Unifiram is a very good one, and works to potentiate Noopept in such a way that it is no longer such an anxiogenic---the effects were smooth, clear, and calm, while also sharp. The stimulation was in excess of that from two strong coffees, or from the Adrafinil + Sunifiram + Noopept yesterday, but not in any way uncomfortable, edgy, manic, or potentially panic-inducing.

3mg's of Unifiram alongside the 5mg suni, 25mg noopept, and 80mg of aniracetam was more than enough. I don't think aniracetam is active at that dose, but I suppose it's possible that it contributed to the overall smooth clarity. After my post earlier, I also took 1x EPIQ Piracetam Complex (primarily because of the choline), and 1x 800mg capsule of NSN's piracetam. It was a really good stack, and I certainly didn't need any coffee.

[Isochroma]

Excellent report!

Truth be told both Sunifiram and Unifiram worked out far better than I expected in the bad old premarket days when they were nothing more than untested potential. I expected n-curved dose-response relationships making useful dosing difficult-to-impossible even if they did function as hoped.

I was dead wrong.

My second mistake was expecting little of Unifiram. It seems that Unifiram possesses a rare balance that makes it an ideal stack component with Sunifiram and by reports it also appears to have very good activity on its own without the stimulatory pushiness of Sunifiram.

[xsiv1]

I can see now for myself what's been said on here. The combination of Sunifiram and Unifiram is a very good one, and works to potentiate Noopept in such a way that it is no longer such an anxiogenic---the effects were smooth, clear, and calm, while also sharp. The stimulation was in excess of that from two strong coffees, or from the Adrafinil + Sunifiram + Noopept yesterday, but not in any way uncomfortable, edgy, manic, or potentially panic-inducing.

3mg's of Unifiram alongside the 5mg suni, 25mg noopept, and 80mg of aniracetam was more than enough. I don't think aniracetam is active at that dose, but I suppose it's possible that it contributed to the overall smooth clarity. After my post earlier, I also took 1x EPIQ Piracetam Complex (primarily because of the choline), and 1x 800mg capsule of NSN's piracetam. It was a really good stack, and I certainly didn't need any coffee.

Are you saying that Noopept alone is somewhat anxiogenic for you? In a dose as high as 25mgs, I suppose it 'might' be for me as well. I'm normally happy with a mere 10mgs Noopept with 800mgs of Aniracetam and some Krill Oil. I've yet to try Sunifiram simply because I'm on (and find it quite difficult to come off) stims such as caffeine and nicotine (sadly, through bad habit). I also take a pre-workout formula around 3:45 pm so I'm planning on trying Sunifiram alone on Friday (my day off work) without any stimulants. I've read Climactic's reports of it and it's kind of scared me off some. It's just been sitting here but I'd like to smooth things out if I find it too, er, sharp or anxiogenic. I didn't get any unifiram. Would anyone recommend I order some and try them both together before trying Suni alone? I've normally tried one compound alone before adding anything to my stack. I am prone to anxiety if something is too much..like the old Dymetadrine, but in general, can tolerate a couple coffees in a row, or a coffee with 25-30mgs of ephedrine.

Edited by xsiv1, 27 August 2013 - 01:05 AM.

[ThePhoeron]

Yeah, even just 10mg of noopept, on its own, is highly anxiogenic for me, which is weird because I don't normally experience anxiety at all, ever, and the first time I took noopept I wasn't exactly sure what was happening at first.

Combined with just 5mg sunifiram, I could go up to 25mg of noopept with only mild anxiety. Same deal even if I stacked it with oxiracetam or piracetam.

But yeah, 3mg Unifiram + 5mg Sunifiram + 25mg Noopept seems to be bang-on for me, and stacks really well with piracetam and aniracetam from what I can tell so far. No anxiety at all, but definite and clear nootropic benefits. I'm going to keep up with this as the basis of my stack, for at least two weeks, possibly including adrafinil every other day at most, and test various aspects of my concentration, cognition, perception, and creativity. I think the unifiram will also help focus the vague and lazy dreaminess of oxiracetam so that I can actually make it work for me.

I think it may also be worth noting that I didn't need a 2nd dose after four hours, like with just sunifiram + noopept (where I would crash hard and fast, much like from an energy drink). Still going strong... and I didn't have any adrafinil today.

Isochroma: you're right, there's something very special about this molecule.

[Isochroma]

Wow!

Excellent report - and something new - Unifiram seems to have longer-term effects than the acute 4-hour ones typical of racetams.

[phil8462643]

would unifiram and dexi combine well, how about uni and ritalin? any potenial downregulation nightmares anyone can warn me of?

[xsiv1]

Yeah, even just 10mg of noopept, on its own, is highly anxiogenic for me, which is weird because I don't normally experience anxiety at all, ever, and the first time I took noopept I wasn't exactly sure what was happening at first.

Combined with just 5mg sunifiram, I could go up to 25mg of noopept with only mild anxiety. Same deal even if I stacked it with oxiracetam or piracetam.

But yeah, 3mg Unifiram + 5mg Sunifiram + 25mg Noopept seems to be bang-on for me, and stacks really well with piracetam and aniracetam from what I can tell so far. No anxiety at all, but definite and clear nootropic benefits. I'm going to keep up with this as the basis of my stack, for at least two weeks, possibly including adrafinil every other day at most, and test various aspects of my concentration, cognition, perception, and creativity. I think the unifiram will also help focus the vague and lazy dreaminess of oxiracetam so that I can actually make it work for me.

I think it may also be worth noting that I didn't need a 2nd dose after four hours, like with just sunifiram + noopept (where I would crash hard and fast, much like from an energy drink). Still going strong... and I didn't have any adrafinil today.

Isochroma: you're right, there's something very special about this molecule.

Thanks for your feedback.

[MangekyōPeter]

Early experiences for combining Unifiram and Sunifiram with Noopept have also been very positive for me. uridine, 3-6mg unifiram 3-6mg sunifiram + about 20-35mg noopept + 1200mg Aniracetam + ~100mg caffeine makes up my current stack. I can't discern precisely what the added affects can be attributed to noopept. But for starters I have finally also started requiring less sleep, sleeping on average 6.5 hours now and feeling great, sleep itself is relatively good, slightly different than normal (can't quite put it how, yet) but still perfectly fine as I feel refreshed in the morning. Dream recall has increased. As I don't re-dose during the day the first 5 hours after taking the stack or filled with intense, pleasurable focus (slightly euphoric but it feels natural), the "crash" after the first 5 hours consists of still feeling at or near mental peak, far above baseline, present, anxiety almost seems to be a thing of the past (or at least uncomfortable anxiety), even with multiple sessions of mostly indica dominant cannabis strains doesn't seem to let any fatigue set in.

Imagination is also increased dramatically, being very vivid and complex. This serene appreciation for nature and a lot of others things has sprung up as well.

The clarity and alertness stays well into the night as I've begun going to sleep at around 3 AM. Up until then I am filled with a leveled, very well balanced energy that doesn't feel stimulant-descenty at all.


my overall conclusion: very kewl, but not perfect, verbal fluency and focus (related to work, ADHD management) could be better , high dose piracetam induced hypo-manias did the job better for that. Need to tweak the stack somewhat still and hope I can get the full palette of positive effects.

And having already lost 2 high precision digital scales to rough treatment in the mail I'm still stuck, for the time being, with eyeballin' 'n stuff.




And:

Nebracetam soon available at stopacne.nl , interesting

Edited by marekso, 27 August 2013 - 09:45 PM.

[ThePhoeron]

Alright, so today I tried out a new "Über-Stack", combining everything I have in stock. Here is the formula:

• 300mg adrafinil
• 290mg oxiracetam
• 138mg aniracetam
• 25mg noopept
• 5mg sunifiram
• 3mg unifiram

I took this with 1x EPIQ Piracetam Complex (for the choline mostly) and 1x 800mg NSN Piracetam capsule to get to 1.6 grams of piracetam without overdoing the Choline, DMAE, or uridine-5.

I had my usual daily dose of C60 at about 9:30am. First dose of the Über-Stack at 11:30am, second dose at 3:30pm; third dose will be at 7:30pm (although I don't really feel any fatigue or burn-out yet).

My first impression: holy mother of f***.

More useful detail:

The first dose kicked in while I was on the streetcar going to work---there was a major rush, and it felt more or less like I had taken actual speed; thankfully this only lasted about 10 minutes and I reached a stable elevated baseline. It was somewhat uncomfortable to be in public during the surge, but I wouldn't describe it as anxiety because I wasn't feeling any paranoia or stress. It was just such intense sensation and awareness. At about 12:30 noon, I picked up an egg-burger for lunch and a whole-milk iced latte, for the lipids and normal 2nd coffee of the day. At 1:30 I suddenly felt really tired, but this too only lasted about 10 minutes. I think having the egg-burger might have put me over my choline-need. I pushed passed that, felt perfectly awake again, and had no trouble coding away the next two hours, when I took the 2nd dose with a cool lime refresher (those have much less caffeine than a normal coffee, only about 45--55mg for a grande). The 2nd dose kicked in at 4:15. Major rush. It took me a few minutes to "catch my breath", so to speak, but then I got a whole lot of code written in just a few minutes, all completely bug-free and super-fast.

One negative side-effect I did notice: when using adrafinil, whether alongside unifiram or not, my hand-eye coordination seems to be a bit off, and my left hand shakes/trembles quite a bit. I felt a bit clumsy, actually, as if I couldn't properly feel what my left hand was up to. I never noticed anything like this with noopept or high levels of caffeine. I imagine it would be next to impossible to paint, draw, or play a musical instrument while on adrafinil---but then, I think a simpler stack of just Aniracetam + Unifiram maybe alongside a base of Piracetam + Choline would be better for artistic pursuits, since they emphasize the flow over stimulation without making you feel lazy like oxiracetam. Although, I imagine Oxiracetam + Unifiram + Sunifiram will be very good for extended periods of deep meditation.

Now, time for the third dose.

[Isochroma]

Excellent, detailed reports!

marekso: Thank you for the heads-up on Nebracetam - I've bookmarked it for the end of September.

I will add their sales to the Racetam Prices list.

[ThePhoeron]

Well. Slept fitfully last night, had a lot of nightmares, and trouble getting out of bed even though I kept waking up. Definitely feel like I need some time away from the adrafinil this morning. (Although it might just have been the weather, thunderstorms the last two days in Toronto, lots of rain and pressure changes).

The third dose of the Über-Stack yesterday went fine though, although I did get a brief headache around 9:45 (but again that could have been the pressure changes from the storm, I do get pressure-headaches). I got a fair amount of writing done, but at midnight I didn't feel like taking a fourth to keep going 'til 4am. So instead I went to sleep.

Today I want to explore Unifiram more directly, so I think I'll try the Aniracetam + Unifiram without Sunifiram or Noopept. I don't need to mix in Piracetam because I have the EPIQ Aniracetam Complex for the choline, etc., but I do really like the Piracetam base. I find it very grounding.

In previous trials, I found that 2x EPIQ Aniracetam Complex, 3x daily, was way too much; 1x of the EPIQ Aniracetam, 3x daily, was alright, and good for the flow, but I found myself getting agitated, aggressive, and easily annoyed, snapping at co-workers. I'm hoping a little bit more aniracetam plus the 3mg of unifiram will give me the flow of aniracetam without the short-fuse. Also, adding a piracetam base might help me work in the flow but stay grounded enough so that I don't get jolted so roughly out of it when dealing with others.

So I'm thinking:

• 1.6g piracetam
• 500mg aniracetam
• 3mg unifiram
• plus 1x EPIQ aniracetam complex capsule (which has 700mg aniracetam, 300mg cdp choline, plus a whole lot of other nutrients and vitamins)

[Amorphous]

Just received my unifiram. I stopped sunifiram about a week ago and I am going to start unifiram tomorrow.
Let's see how it goes. I will also be adding sunifiram to see how the synergic effect goes.

[ThePhoeron]

As per yesterday's stack results, of:

• 1x EPIQ Aniracetam Complex
• 500mg bulk aniracetam
• 1.6g bulk piracetam
• 3mg unifiram

Three times.

Not "wowed" or blown away. About an hour after first dose, I felt both my face and my brain tingling. My senses were definitely heightened as expected, the type of hyperawareness I've come to expect but without any anxiety. All in all it was fine, much smoother coming in and out of the flow as I had hoped, but not as bright as the unifiram + sunifiram + noopept. Spent a lot more time day-dreaming than typing.

Unifiram on its own with aniracetam seems to be good for contemplative, creative tasks that require more finesse than labour. I may try it again on the weekend when I have time to paint.

Also worth noting: really overslept today.

I don't really feel ready to take the adrafinil again today, so today's stack is much trimmed down, but will emphasize the Sunifiram + Unifiram combination:

• 1x EPIQ Piracetam Complex
• 800mg bulk Piracetam
• 25mg noopept
• 5mg sunifiram
• 3mg unifiram
• 150mg oxiracetam

3 doses, 4 hours apart.

I expect this to be the perfection of my "red pill" recipe.

[phil8462643]

I tried uni yesterday. My balance was off, felt like crap. Tried uni today. was in the middle of a great research session.... unifiram (5mg) insufflated.... brain freeze, feel like crap... feels like cocacola to me. But i never responded well to cocacola when everybody else around me did. they felt up, I felt down. I just want this stuff to wear off. Anybody interested in some unifiram? PM me
I will try it once more and post just to be sure. Here goes: another 5mg insufflated. speak soon

Edited by phil8462643, 05 September 2013 - 03:59 AM.

[phil8462643]

btw this thread should be called "various stacks involving unifiram"

these experiments are not controlled

the info on unifiram in this forum is nonexistant

Edited by phil8462643, 05 September 2013 - 04:04 AM.

[Geoffrey]

I tried uni yesterday. My balance was off, felt like crap. Tried uni today. was in the middle of a great research session.... unifiram (5mg) insufflated.... brain freeze, feel like crap... feels like cocacola to me. But i never responded well to cocacola when everybody else around me did. they felt up, I felt down. I just want this stuff to wear off. Anybody interested in some unifiram? PM me
I will try it once more and post just to be sure. Here goes: another 5mg insufflated. speak soon

Do you mean you snorted unifiram? If so, why? Why not just swallow it? I think you should try ingestion before you dump your unifiram, as the effects could be radically different according to the method of administration.

[phil8462643]

Okay I ate some. About ten mgs. Taken nothing else today. Controlled experiment. I will post results soon.

[health_nutty]

Okay I ate some. About ten mgs. Taken nothing else today. Controlled experiment. I will post results soon.

Still alive?

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[phil8462643]

i dont really feel much. but it definitely is not impeding my ability to think this time

[phil8462643]

Uni does definitely have a clean speedy characteristic. Made me have a bowel movement seconds after I ate it too.
I think the first day my brain was figuring out what to do with the new molecule

[xsiv1]

Heh. That's funny.

[phil8462643]

who is downrating my posts? why? all I am telling is the truth! if i feel like snorting my uni then that's my decision btw. somebody's gotta try it! downrate me all you want but I will continue to post my experiences *for science

[phil8462643]

I tried uni yesterday. My balance was off, felt like crap. Tried uni today. was in the middle of a great research session.... unifiram (5mg) insufflated.... brain freeze, feel like crap... feels like cocacola to me. But i never responded well to cocacola when everybody else around me did. they felt up, I felt down. I just want this stuff to wear off. Anybody interested in some unifiram? PM me
I will try it once more and post just to be sure. Here goes: another 5mg insufflated. speak soon

Do you mean you snorted unifiram? If so, why? Why not just swallow it? I think you should try ingestion before you dump your unifiram, as the effects could be radically different according to the method of administration.

could be, would be, might be! I have tried it both ways and it aint that great either way! just waiting on a certain other chem to be all synthed and I will be one of the first to try it! but alot of these noots remind me of adam gottlieb's legal highs (most of them don't work) better off sticking to the real stuff.
BTW its my unifiram we are talking about. I will dump it if I please. thanks for the advice though, matey

Edited by phil8462643, 07 September 2013 - 05:38 AM.

[xsiv1]

who is downrating my posts? why? all I am telling is the truth! if i feel like snorting my uni then that's my decision btw. somebody's gotta try it! downrate me all you want but I will continue to post my experiences *for science

I gave you a thumbs up because you said 'bowel movement' instead of poop. Heh. I wouldn't take it personally when someone down rates a post. There's all kinds of quacks out there but there's a lot of bright and helpful people. Some don't care about the rating systems at all.

[jerrybusey]

How many of you people who are having strongly positive results from unifiram or sunifiram regularly consume cannabis/cannabinoids?

[3AlarmLampscooter]

How many of you people who are having strongly positive results from unifiram or sunifiram regularly consume cannabis/cannabinoids?

I have two friends who do. One reports very good results, the other moderately.

[Climactic]

How many of you people who are having strongly positive results from unifiram or sunifiram regularly consume cannabis/cannabinoids?

I have two friends who do. One reports very good results, the other moderately.

Let's make that cannabis/cannabinoids/gabaergics/anticonvulsants.

[Perception-Is-Reality]

I have never consume annabis/cannabinoids/gabaergics/anticonvulsants and i have a strong positive effect with unifiram. Ive used it about 5 times in the past 3 weeks always in the 3-8mg range with effects lasting around 3-4 hours and kicking in fast. The effects ive expirienced are increased intensity/vibrancy and detail/definition of sound and sight (more so with the latter). Along with somewhat increased focus and internal dialog. The main adverse effects ive gotten is an increase in the desire to drink water, increased perspiration and most importantly feelings of over stimulation as though my brain is trying to comprehend more than it is able to but it continues to try to comprehend everything all at once anyway. The feelings of overstimulation however cannot be attributed only to unifiram as i take daily adderall and memantine which already greatly cause an increase in stimulation.

[Climactic]

I have never consume annabis/cannabinoids/gabaergics/anticonvulsants and i have a strong positive effect with unifiram. Ive used it about 5 times in the past 3 weeks always in the 3-8mg range with effects lasting around 3-4 hours and kicking in fast. The effects ive expirienced are increased intensity/vibrancy and detail/definition of sound and sight (more so with the latter). Along with somewhat increased focus and internal dialog. The main adverse effects ive gotten is an increase in the desire to drink water, increased perspiration and most importantly feelings of over stimulation as though my brain is trying to comprehend more than it is able to but it continues to try to comprehend everything all at once anyway. The feelings of overstimulation however cannot be attributed only to unifiram as i take daily adderall and memantine which already greatly cause an increase in stimulation.

Interesting, but you're combining effectively an NMDAR agonist (unifiram) with an NMDAR antagonist (memantine). The NMDAR effects are to some degree expected to cancel out. I don't know enough about either drug to know how exactly this pans out in terms of strengths and binding sites. May I ask why you take memantine, and at what dose?

As such, let's make that cannabis/cannabinoids/gabaergics/anticonvulsants/ NMDAR-antagonists.

Edited by Climactic, 09 September 2013 - 12:53 AM.

[Amorphous]

Unifiram has a fast onset. However, it's effect is similar to sunifiram. It lacks the initial visual effect of sunifiram. I guess it is very similar to sunifiram. When the visual effect of sunifiram dissipates, unifiram won't be able to reproduce it neither. However, the stimulating effect is still very pleasant, very much like sunifiram. It makes me pleasantly alert yet calming.
Next week I am going to take it together with sunifiram and see how well they goes together.