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#31 formergenius

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 06:49 PM

^ Yeah interest in Coluracetam seems to be in limbo across the net. Group buy is starting to look unnecessary: NSN and Vantage should be having Colu very soon now if all goes well. Hope so at least. Can't be much longer than 2 weeks at most, if my speculations are correct. Could just be my extreme wishful thinking though. Either way a group buy would probably be more lengthy (and costly) to do than waiting for it to be available from nootropic suppliers.

#32 CLR

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 07:31 PM

I will chip in. Any projected dates? I don't get my grant(s) until the end of August.

Would it be safe to stack coluracetam with another racetam such as aniracetam or noopept? I'm assuming more people will experiment without other noots but I would be more interested in the combinatorial effects or synergy with other nootropics.

Edited by CLR, 20 July 2013 - 07:32 PM.


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#33 Greek86

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 05:10 PM

I'm tentatively in depending on who is manufacturing it and a few other details, like testing.

#34 spookytooth

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 11:01 PM

I've put you guys (who expressed interest) on the list.
I hope Coluracetam will finally be available at some of the vendors so we an decide whether or not a group buy is necessary.

#35 Greek86

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 04:19 AM

I agree, but like ScienceGuy said it's a pretty complicated process with some dangerous inputs, so hopefully it will be manufactured by a reliable source. I'm willing to bet that people would pay top dollar for this Noot, if it's as promising as it sounds!

#36 Isochroma

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 04:35 AM

Compared to any other racetam or even raceram, Coluracetam has its finger in many pies - Hell, even reminds me of MXE with its eight different neurotransmission systems.

Coluracetam is a very active molecule. I saw the strong visual effects which were close to intoxication at only 25mg. The fine-shine on chromed surfaces that Coluracetam products is only equalled by Sunifiram by my experience. Sunifiram is very much cleaner with a less-functionalized molecular structure. Coluracetam with its complex quad-ring system with a high degree of functionalization on those rings - it should come as no suprise that it interacts with many separate neurosystems.

It should also come as no suprise that both the synthesis and purification of such a molecule is very difficult and thus costly and slow.

In comparison, Sunifiram provides far more neurofunctionality per unit production cost but Coluracetam embodies more functions.

Sunifiram is the outlier as far as $/effect. Coluracetam and Unifiram are both very complex molecules which embody unique functions - one is less potent than Sunifiram and the other slightly moreso. The upgrade in therapeutic effect per dollar moving from racetams to Sunifiram can't be expected again.

Coluracetam and Unifiram will yield incremental improvements over Sunifiram but at multiples of its cost.

Despite all the flash and colour of Coluracetam in my case, over the month I took it at 25mg every four hours it never really did justify its insane price by excelling at any particular area. It was like a big noisy flashy colourful circus that appears, enthralls me with all its many shiny details and then moves on. I remember it as a constellation of many colours and feelings but no single effect that would open my wallet again.

Sunifiram in contrast did excel in an area and continues to do so three months after starting - it allows me to sleep only 5.5-6 hours instead of 8.5-9 hours each night and spend the rest of they day in production without sleepiness. It also provides a level of memory retention and visual effects that excel Pramiracetam without Pramiracetam's empty-headedness, body slowness and mouth-corroding effects.

Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 27 July 2013 - 04:42 AM.


#37 Isochroma

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 04:48 AM

To be successful a drug doesn't have to try to be everything - it just has to do one thing well.

Coluracetam tries to be everything and worse, its low potency with doses of 25mg - double that of typical Sunifiram doses - combined with its high cost and limited availability - conditions at least one of which and likely both I expect to persist indefinitely - rather doom Coluracetam to the high end of the upper market if any market at all.

#38 Greek86

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:34 PM

To be successful a drug doesn't have to try to be everything - it just has to do one thing well.

Coluracetam tries to be everything and worse, its low potency with doses of 25mg - double that of typical Sunifiram doses - combined with its high cost and limited availability - conditions at least one of which and likely both I expect to persist indefinitely - rather doom Coluracetam to the high end of the upper market if any market at all.


I'm not disagreeing with you Isochroma, but I still would like to give Coluracetam a try for myself. I really like sunifiram, and your experience is the exact experience that i'm looking for, but i'm still concerned with all the reports of negative side-effects on this board.

My 3 biggest areas that need to improve in my life are memory, motivation and sleep duration and it seems Coluracetam maybe really be able to solve the most important of my deficits.

As for Unifiram, I have it in my possession but I've been too chicken to try it.

Where did you get your sample of Coluracetam from Isochroma? Any of the suppliers of your list?

#39 spookytooth

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 09:35 PM

Isochroma (like everyone else who has tested this compund) received a 2g sample from ScienceGuy.

#40 formergenius

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 11:04 PM

I know it's a little off-topic.. But Isochroma: would you say Sunifiram's visual effects were superior to that of Coluracetam's?

#41 Isochroma

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 04:18 AM

Sunifiram and Coluracetam produce in me the super-sharp edge effect on horizons with a bit of almost oversharp-white at the edge. Coluracetam produced more fany visual sharpness effects than Sunifiram. Mine came from ScienceGuy.

#42 formergenius

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 09:57 PM

Well that's what I'm after, thanks :)
Are you still looking for someone to split the cost of custom synthesis (read that in the other thread)?
I would send you a PM but there seems to be no option for that on your profile page.

It's proving to be rather difficult sourcing a trustworthy source of Coluracetam.. Has anyone had any luck or news?

#43 Thor

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 05:57 PM

Hi, I would also like to join the group buy if it happens. It appears New Star Nootropics still doesn't have it...

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#44 Renegade

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 10:20 AM

In.
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