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[YOLF]

Coca tea is well known for its mild stimulant effects but comes with a catch... The alkaloids don't last long, which generally means buying in small amounts at higher prices and paying out the nose for expedited shipping from Bolivia, Peru, or wherever. In fact, this is how cocaine came to be born as coca couldn't be grown in Europe and the extracts didn't survive the 3 month trip at sea.

Personally I would be expecting to find a supplier that can pick and powder the coca one day (freeze drying) and ship the next and becoming regular buyers. Basically I would receive the bulk order and immediately break it up and ship the smaller orders every 2-4 weeks.

Coca tea contains negligible amounts of cocaine and can't get you high the way cocaine does, but the precursor and metabolite of cocaine that is responsible for weight loss in cocaine users is readily available in coca tea. You also can't get addicted to coca tea and it's probably not a good idea to take it daily in the long term. What I'm suggesting is that anyone who's interested in loosing weight and improving their focus periodically could benefit in the short term and lose a considerable amount of weight from drinking coca tea or simply masticating the powder in an empty tea bag with a little bit of sodium bicarbonate for a few months and reducing the potential for other health hazards to occur as a result of obesity. To protect our weight loss it would also be important to put muscle on at the same time, otherwise the weight loss won't have much of an effect and we'd gain the weight back. So if there is interest, we can talk about building muscle and increasing Testosterone ASAP. Anyone who was obese at an age prior to 25 is probably short 10-25 pounds of muscle and is being sabotaged by their lack of calorie burning capacity and the excess aromatase that is produces by our fat in excess of a 7% BMI.

IIRC, and I did this research a few years ago, ecgonine opens the flood gates for the production of energy and the amount of carbs sugars, and fats that have to be burned at this rate result in weight loss. The weight loss experienced by cocaine users is likely not a result of the cocaine as it is out of the blood stream in about an hour or less. Ecgonine, the precursor and also the metabolite of cocaine remains active in the body for 1-2 days and is what causes the weight loss in regular cocaine users.

Aromatase can be inhibited with a variety of substances, thought the clinical/pharma aromatase inhibitors increase cancer risk. Natural substances from cruciferous veggies (such as indole-3-carbinol) make a great and probably pretty safe aromatase inhibitor. Personally, I decided on the one below for it's inclusion of powdered veggies and low dose, as well as it's incremental dosing potential for added safety (Broccoli just doesn't cause cancer TMK) and results based adjustments. It's my non medical opinion that as both increases and decreases in aromatase can lead to cancer (obesity related low T has been shown to cause cancer, and low T by itself is also a risk factor), that it would be safer in the long run to loose the weight and find a good balance. IMO, we're safer or at least just as safe lowering our aromatase as we are with out of control obesity related aromatase.
http://www.vitacost....dole-3-carbinol

I'll also be taking HMB as it just seems to work and I've noticed marked improvements in my lifting capacity (I'm not a very active trainer). This is despite the controversy... Though following the available data, I won't use it for more than 3 months. I figure if it doesn't work in trained BBs, that it brings the untrained to better muscle health in the mean time.

Just for kicks I'll also be taking tocotrienols from red palm oil, GliSODin, R Glutathione, 5mg DHEA, ginger root, Eternal Blu (ptero, resveratrol, and other stuff), and wild blueberry extract. Depending on the success of the program, I may also add some of the following:
* Arganine
* Sillymarin
* B complex and cinnamon
* Small molecule HA
* Other stuff TBD

Please post if you would be interested in this.

I'll be eating onions in large quantities also.

[1kgcoffee]

I've been interested in this herb for a long time. Problem is that coca leaf is a scheduled substance in Canada and the US. This is incredibly dumb given the therapeutic potential.

You can order and recieve small amounts of tea bags and probably not get in trouble, but to importing significant amounts of freeze dried or loose leaf could land you in hot water buddy. I do not recommend it.

[YOLF]

It's for sale on amazon and distributed domestically... It's been like that for about a year TMK, but probably longer. I wasn't thinking about buying more than a kg. TMK it would take hundreds of pounds of the raw material to make the drug in any profitable or cost efficient manner and we're not going to buy that much in the span of time necessary to preserve the chemistry. Coca tea extract is/was available in Red Bull Cola several years back without the DEA throwing a fit and is still available in a bunch of energy drinks. Ecgonine is illegal to purchase, but coca tea should be fine and labs can test whether you've been using cocaine or coca tea as there are many more alkaloids to detect... so your boss can't fire you for drinking it. Barring a post from a DEA agent, I think we're in the green, at least those of us in the US.

In Delaware I also have the added protection of a law that allows me to obtain and use anything I want to treat a medical condition or improve upon my health and it's written incredibly broadly. Obesity is a medical condition and our purposes are genuine, so I doubt it matters in that respect... I can't imagine the DEA knocking on our doors w/o a warning and we just aren't buying enough to be drug dealers or coke snorters. If ordered monthly, the potency will have dropped substantially by the end of month. IIRC, I calculated a few years ago that it takes at least 1 kg of leaves to make a 125mg of cocaine (What seems to be regarded as a 'line') and with 10-20 buyers I doubt that would go very far. We'd also be needing to buy loads of other equipment and chemistry to make a drug... Assuming the costs of the equipment, chemistry, and other start up costs would be substantial, we'd be paying around $10K to produce a line of cocaine each month and split it between a bunch of people. We're off the proverbial radar and I just don't see the DEA having any interest in us. There is even a domestic company producing the Coca tea extract domestically... it's potency is just questionable considering the stability of the chemistry involved and it's overly expensive.

I'm still open to a group buy. These other companies would be shut down if it were illegal in the US. Can't say I know anything about Canada. In any case, I don't see anyone banning poppy seeds for their opium content and the disgusting little things seem to be on every left over bagel these days.

[Luminosity]

Using stimulants to lose weight is a bad idea.

[YOLF]

I'm not saying use it forever, just enough to get an advantage in the battle of the bulge.

[MissChievousRN]

Using stimulants to lose weight is a bad idea.

that must be sarcasm........

seriously? but using stimulants and various other odd chemicals to enhance brain function is perfectly okay???? lol!
id say that needing to lose weight for health reasons vs using stimulants to help is pretty much a toss up
considering the multiple other things we are intentionally and unintentionally exposed to everyday, using coca tea, which has hundreds of years of research, in a sensible and educated manner as an adjunct to difficult weight loss is arguably the safest and most effective idea in 30years!!!

hella safer than fen phen, redux, aminorex, etc etc etc....

Edited by MissChievousRN, 13 July 2013 - 10:35 PM.

[YOLF]

Personally, I think some stims are good for it and some aren't and it must depend on the person. When caffiene has my heart rate up I generally do worse on my workouts as measured by my elliptical because I reach my peak heart rate well before my exertion. I prefer not to stim adrenaline when working out. Using things that increase energy production on the other hand (IIRC ecgonine causes the metabolism to churn through all of your carbs and fats and then some) don't seem to come with these side effects. I've tried other combinations of supplements that achieved similar, but to a less potent effect and found myself able to work out longer and harder rather than just having my heart rate amplified to lose weight and I'd also lose weight more weight from my regular or off regimens.

Adrenal stims are over rated IMO. But stimulants in general can be a good thing. I've been on amphetamine cough syrups before and the weightloss and energy were certainly better. I drank caffinated beverates daily for close to 20 years... I'm still fat!

PS Not sure what the effects of aromatase are in women, I don't think it's a good idea for the farer sex.

[Godof Smallthings]

Worked for me:

- Daily brisk 45 min walk
- Substitute fruit juice, soda and coffee with water and green/white tea
- Replace half of your daily carb intake like bread, rice, pasta, potatoes, crisps with vegetables low on carbs
- Replace any candy and snacks with fresh fruit, seeds, nuts and dark chocolate (min. 75% cocoa)
- Replace margarine and vegetable cooking oils with grass fed butter, extra virgin coconut oil and e. virgin olive oil.
- Don't eat processed food. Don't add sugar to your food. Before eating, if served by somebody else, remove everything from the plate that you won't need to sustain yourself to the next meal.