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[rollo]

Isochroma keep posting your results

also wondering if you have ever stopped taking piracetam and if so, what did you notice as far as memory is concerned

thanks

[rollo]

Thanks Isochroma, just the kind of information I wanted to get about Piracetam. I see that you have tried mega dosing, have you at all tried micro dosing?

I just took my first dose of Primaforce Piracetam, prolly about 1.5g with 6g of Lecithin. After about 35 minutes I notice that I am seeing more clearly, not that my vision was blurred prior to this. It's not so much that the colours are brighter, it's just that it seems that the edges are much sharper and that I am able to see 'more frames' per second.

I have to say that I've been sorta 'preloading' my mind with piracetam, as in, I've been telling my self that I will respond well to it and that it'll work for me. More than likely that this is all placebo; I guess I'll know in a few weeks when the effects of piracetam are supposed to kick in.

[chilp]

So, does Piracetam kills your desire for a social life ?

[acantelopepope]

After more thought, I realized that besides those effects of Piracetam, there's one more.

We associate so many attributes to being human: physical drive, sex drive, sleep, tiredness, emotions, breathing, eating, and of course those that happen in the latrine, if y'all know what I mean

There's a sadness, like having a part of myself missing. Even though I didn't like that tired, sleepy, forgetful part. But as humans, it is both out weaknesses and strengths, and all their respective peculiarities and individualisms that define us. They give us the shared bond of common humanity; common traits. Common even with ourselves as single individuals, varying only gradually with time.

Those things that Piracetam polished away in me, even though I hated them and fought them with every other weapon I could find - they were still cherished in some perverse way, some instinctual way. Like favorite colors or favorite foods, the common capabilities, limitations and habits of a person's body become their mental fingerprint. Baked into their daily routine, snug as a bug in a rug.

When one or more are quickly or gradually snatched away, sometimes it leaves a hole. Even bad things. And nothing ever really fills that hole, with its peculiar shape and depth. Sometimes it feels sad to not remember what being tired was like, because I can't remember anymore what it feels like to be sleepy. It was the usual way to end a day.

Now that it's not there anymore, there is no natural end to a day either. Like someone pried off all the numbers on a clock, now all I see is the hand moving, but my body no longer says anything about how 'late' it is. It's just a number now, there's no difference between 'afternoon', 'evening' and 'late at night'. Instead, time is just a continuous flow with hardly anything inside me to give it discreteness.

Now that sleepiness and tiredness are gone, I can't remember their bad sides. Like some old friend you idealize him after not being in contact for so long.

That's how it is with me.

Piracetam was good for awhile. Now not only has it lost its efficacy, but it actually confuses me, depresses me, at any dose. The extent to which you are describing all the positives in your life, which you attribute entirely to piracetam, are definitely not a regular reaction, and are misleading if not irresponsible. Some of your language has been grandiose. You also mentioned in the Smartpowders thread that you were almost homeless? That you were in a position where you had, to paraphrase you, nothing to lose? I think that it would be responsible of you to divulge other confounding variables in your posts: the way that you are representing piracetam simply does not reflect how most people react to it in reality. Are you taking any medications? Drugs? Other supplements?

Excuse me for asking, but since this is an anonymous forum and the details of this topic are very important to would-be users, are you manic-depressive?

Regards,
acantelopepope

[acantelopepope]

No, I have no such mental conditions, though my economic life is dogged by poverty, and the unpredictability that goes with it. I am also a very political person and spend some time every day cursing various habits and institutions I see around me. Being at the very bottom, I'm a scrapper that is always ready for a real fight.

Nonetheless, my previous two previous posts compare the changes that took place over the last year and two months, the time during which Piracetam rewrote the ground rules insofar as the attributes that it changed.

These changes were slow but consistent, and persist ever more strongly to this day.

It should be noted that besides the lack of fatigue, only minor consistent changes in personality attributes were noted. Particularly enjoyable has been the decrease in importance of trivial emotions, along with the enhancement of emotion when it relates to, is tied and connected to, something important to my higher thoughts. Nobody has mentioned this before, so either they didn't experience it or didn't have any really important thoughts which could link with emotions to make dancing pairs.

Piracetam thus enhances the power of the conscious selector in modulating the emotional subsystem.

Such a change in emphasis I find thoroughly empowering. Dangerously empowering, especially in a society so sick, so full of corruption. You could say that a sick society thrives on sick, sheepish individuals to perpetuate it by their passivity. To this extent, Piracetam has become a key to both personal renovation and political activity, since it greases the wheel of connective thought, conceptual associations which tend to lead toward the causes of our existence.

I find it a substance which very much encourages anarchistic, antiauthoritarian thought. As I believe anything which enhances higher mental functions would be. Perhaps if my bent of personality was different, then the outcomes would be too. To the extent that Piracetam makes me grow, it can also bring growing pains. Those quaint processes thought to be long finished years ago, turns out they just slowed or stopped due to brain concretization. Refluidization and new growth bring the potential for both positive and negative outcomes, depending on lots of stuff.

It should also be remembered that whole classes of certain intellectually enabling drugs have been banned in most countries. Not only for their beneficial addition to the 'war on drugs' witchhunt, but I suspect to prevent large segments of the population from challenging illegitimate authority. LSD was seen by the US government as dangerous - not to its people but to its power structure. If they were so tenderly concerned with the health of their citizens, free universal health coverage could have been implemented, at a lower cost than the entire war on drugs. Leary's promotions really drove that message home: he was literally broadcasting the message that it could be used to break the political structure. He wasn't ready for the massive retaliation by threatened interests with the entire might of the US State behind them: the coordinated attack of an interwoven system with lots of tools at its disposal to deal with disruptive folks like him.

How else can 1% of the US population continue to get away with stealing 40% of real income?

Piracetam seems to have made it under the radar because it's thought to be 'weak'. It is not weak, but underused and underappreciated in my opinion. It has the potential to far exceed the feared LSD and similars in breaking power, depending on what direction its powers are taken in. And that is where the person comes in. For perhaps as much or more than any psychedelic, Piracetam is a ship waiting for direction - a sword which could cut in one or both directions. To remember those directions, and that there is always one more than it seemed there was yesterday - that is its own truly unique contribution.

I think that's all wonderful, but what I would like to know is why it worked so well for about 3 months and then gradually it produced effects so bad that I can no longer take it without being tossed into confusion and despair.

If piracetam worked as well for me now as it did from December through February, I would agree with a lot of the statements you are making about it. But now I am leaning towards believing that the continual upregulation of Ach receptors must have, and will inevitably, lead to a downward spiral.

I have been trying to figure this one out for the past four months. It is the reason that I joined this board. It is the reason I read cryptic studies late into the night... asking "why did piracetam + choline stop working for me?"

I have an ever increasing pool of theories, but no answers.

Has anyone experienced anything similar? How about the people for whom piracetam genuinely does not work to begin with-- (I'm not talking about the people who tried it for a few days and didn't notice anything immediately, but the ones who are veteran smart drug users and categorically determined that it was not effective for them).

[rollo]

No, I have no such mental conditions, though my economic life is dogged by poverty, and the unpredictability that goes with it. I am also a very political person and spend some time every day cursing various habits and institutions I see around me. Being at the very bottom, I'm a scrapper that is always ready for a real fight.

Nonetheless, my previous two previous posts compare the changes that took place over the last year and two months, the time during which Piracetam rewrote the ground rules insofar as the attributes that it changed.

These changes were slow but consistent, and persist ever more strongly to this day.

It should be noted that besides the lack of fatigue, only minor consistent changes in personality attributes were noted. Particularly enjoyable has been the decrease in importance of trivial emotions, along with the enhancement of emotion when it relates to, is tied and connected to, something important to my higher thoughts. Nobody has mentioned this before, so either they didn't experience it or didn't have any really important thoughts which could link with emotions to make dancing pairs.

Piracetam thus enhances the power of the conscious selector in modulating the emotional subsystem.

Such a change in emphasis I find thoroughly empowering. Dangerously empowering, especially in a society so sick, so full of corruption. You could say that a sick society thrives on sick, sheepish individuals to perpetuate it by their passivity. To this extent, Piracetam has become a key to both personal renovation and political activity, since it greases the wheel of connective thought, conceptual associations which tend to lead toward the causes of our existence.

I find it a substance which very much encourages anarchistic, antiauthoritarian thought. As I believe anything which enhances higher mental functions would be. Perhaps if my bent of personality was different, then the outcomes would be too. To the extent that Piracetam makes me grow, it can also bring growing pains. Those quaint processes thought to be long finished years ago, turns out they just slowed or stopped due to brain concretization. Refluidization and new growth bring the potential for both positive and negative outcomes, depending on lots of stuff.

It should also be remembered that whole classes of certain intellectually enabling drugs have been banned in most countries. Not only for their beneficial addition to the 'war on drugs' witchhunt, but I suspect to prevent large segments of the population from challenging illegitimate authority. LSD was seen by the US government as dangerous - not to its people but to its power structure. If they were so tenderly concerned with the health of their citizens, free universal health coverage could have been implemented, at a lower cost than the entire war on drugs. Leary's promotions really drove that message home: he was literally broadcasting the message that it could be used to break the political structure. He wasn't ready for the massive retaliation by threatened interests with the entire might of the US State behind them: the coordinated attack of an interwoven system with lots of tools at its disposal to deal with disruptive folks like him.

How else can 1% of the US population continue to get away with stealing 40% of real income?

Piracetam seems to have made it under the radar because it's thought to be 'weak'. It is not weak, but underused and underappreciated in my opinion. It has the potential to far exceed the feared LSD and similars in breaking power, depending on what direction its powers are taken in. And that is where the person comes in. For perhaps as much or more than any psychedelic, Piracetam is a ship waiting for direction - a sword which could cut in one or both directions. To remember those directions, and that there is always one more than it seemed there was yesterday - that is its own truly unique contribution.

I think that's all wonderful, but what I would like to know is why it worked so well for about 3 months and then gradually it produced effects so bad that I can no longer take it without being tossed into confusion and despair.

If piracetam worked as well for me now as it did from December through February, I would agree with a lot of the statements you are making about it. But now I am leaning towards believing that the continual upregulation of Ach receptors must have, and will inevitably, lead to a downward spiral.

I have been trying to figure this one out for the past four months. It is the reason that I joined this board. It is the reason I read cryptic studies late into the night... asking "why did piracetam + choline stop working for me?"

I have an ever increasing pool of theories, but no answers.

Has anyone experienced anything similar? How about the people for whom piracetam genuinely does not work to begin with-- (I'm not talking about the people who tried it for a few days and didn't notice anything immediately, but the ones who are veteran smart drug users and categorically determined that it was not effective for them).

have you tried different choline sources? have you tried different dosages as in, perhaps lowering the piracetam dose and incresing the choline??

just curious...

[acantelopepope]

No, I have no such mental conditions, though my economic life is dogged by poverty, and the unpredictability that goes with it. I am also a very political person and spend some time every day cursing various habits and institutions I see around me. Being at the very bottom, I'm a scrapper that is always ready for a real fight.

Nonetheless, my previous two previous posts compare the changes that took place over the last year and two months, the time during which Piracetam rewrote the ground rules insofar as the attributes that it changed.

These changes were slow but consistent, and persist ever more strongly to this day.

It should be noted that besides the lack of fatigue, only minor consistent changes in personality attributes were noted. Particularly enjoyable has been the decrease in importance of trivial emotions, along with the enhancement of emotion when it relates to, is tied and connected to, something important to my higher thoughts. Nobody has mentioned this before, so either they didn't experience it or didn't have any really important thoughts which could link with emotions to make dancing pairs.

Piracetam thus enhances the power of the conscious selector in modulating the emotional subsystem.

Such a change in emphasis I find thoroughly empowering. Dangerously empowering, especially in a society so sick, so full of corruption. You could say that a sick society thrives on sick, sheepish individuals to perpetuate it by their passivity. To this extent, Piracetam has become a key to both personal renovation and political activity, since it greases the wheel of connective thought, conceptual associations which tend to lead toward the causes of our existence.

I find it a substance which very much encourages anarchistic, antiauthoritarian thought. As I believe anything which enhances higher mental functions would be. Perhaps if my bent of personality was different, then the outcomes would be too. To the extent that Piracetam makes me grow, it can also bring growing pains. Those quaint processes thought to be long finished years ago, turns out they just slowed or stopped due to brain concretization. Refluidization and new growth bring the potential for both positive and negative outcomes, depending on lots of stuff.

It should also be remembered that whole classes of certain intellectually enabling drugs have been banned in most countries. Not only for their beneficial addition to the 'war on drugs' witchhunt, but I suspect to prevent large segments of the population from challenging illegitimate authority. LSD was seen by the US government as dangerous - not to its people but to its power structure. If they were so tenderly concerned with the health of their citizens, free universal health coverage could have been implemented, at a lower cost than the entire war on drugs. Leary's promotions really drove that message home: he was literally broadcasting the message that it could be used to break the political structure. He wasn't ready for the massive retaliation by threatened interests with the entire might of the US State behind them: the coordinated attack of an interwoven system with lots of tools at its disposal to deal with disruptive folks like him.

How else can 1% of the US population continue to get away with stealing 40% of real income?

Piracetam seems to have made it under the radar because it's thought to be 'weak'. It is not weak, but underused and underappreciated in my opinion. It has the potential to far exceed the feared LSD and similars in breaking power, depending on what direction its powers are taken in. And that is where the person comes in. For perhaps as much or more than any psychedelic, Piracetam is a ship waiting for direction - a sword which could cut in one or both directions. To remember those directions, and that there is always one more than it seemed there was yesterday - that is its own truly unique contribution.

I think that's all wonderful, but what I would like to know is why it worked so well for about 3 months and then gradually it produced effects so bad that I can no longer take it without being tossed into confusion and despair.

If piracetam worked as well for me now as it did from December through February, I would agree with a lot of the statements you are making about it. But now I am leaning towards believing that the continual upregulation of Ach receptors must have, and will inevitably, lead to a downward spiral.

I have been trying to figure this one out for the past four months. It is the reason that I joined this board. It is the reason I read cryptic studies late into the night... asking "why did piracetam + choline stop working for me?"

I have an ever increasing pool of theories, but no answers.

Has anyone experienced anything similar? How about the people for whom piracetam genuinely does not work to begin with-- (I'm not talking about the people who tried it for a few days and didn't notice anything immediately, but the ones who are veteran smart drug users and categorically determined that it was not effective for them).

have you tried different choline sources? have you tried different dosages as in, perhaps lowering the piracetam dose and incresing the choline??

just curious...

Yes.

I have tried everything from Alpha-GPC to Choline Bitartrate to raw eggs. This is another area that's confounded me. I have, without any doubt, determined that if I take too much choline (which can range from 100mg to 600mg choline citrate, or 3-4 eggs these days), I feel inexplicable sadness and despair. It is, for me, a certain way to induce a temporary depression.

I have tried all reasonable dosages. I have tried Piracetam microdosing. Even 75mg of Piracetam leads to shuffled thoughts, inability to focus on complex topics, general confusion, and anxiety.

When I began taking Piracetam and Choline I had no problem taking 1.5g piracetam x 3 with about 2g choline citrate. It worked wonders for me, that is, until I started feeling extremely pessimistic, which turned into general disillusionment, which eventually turned into deep depression. The day that I stopped taking choline, this lifted 85%. The day I stopped taking piracetam, it lifted 95%. That isn't to say that I'm happy-go-lucky now, but I function MUCH better without piracetam or choline supplementation.

I should note that Oxiracetam and Aniracetam produce the same effects. I measure all my supplements with a jeweler's scale accurate to 1mg. I also have a daily log of the exact doses I've taken with notes on the day's results, ranging from social creativity to sleep quality.

Edited by acantelopepope, 14 October 2009 - 02:59 AM.

[andyr300]

Isochroma: what brand are you taking?

I have taken Piracetam last year for a couple of months with results similar to a previous poster on this page. It's effects diminish over time and gets to a point where it has the opposite effect. When Piracetam works, it is so much easier to come up with ideas and thoughts related to the subject. When it does not, the opposite effect comes in to play. I've taken it with citrate and alpha GPC. Citrate does something, while Alpha GPC does NOTHING.

I havent taken any piracetam in at least 2 months until a couple of days ago. I've taken a tablespoon (no choline) on 4:00 pm Saturday, and I had the same effect which lasted throughout the whole night. Brain fog, some depression, and pure confusion. Nothing came up when I tried to converse with friends. Fast forward to Sunday. After fully wakening, all of its positive effects stayed with me for the whole day. I realized that my creativity was soaring, I was less irate, and felt genuinely excited.

It's so unstable for me. It is not worth it to test different methods and doses over months of time when the majority of the time of testing is spent being plagued by the negative side of piracetam. I still have my tub of 1Fast400 piracetam, and I wonder: could it be the brand?

[sunshinefrost]

since the racetams effects diminish over time I use it only when i need to. .. approx once or twice a week. This way i don't get the negative side of piracetam.

Isochroma seems to be doing good on it but ... a lot of people seem to be loosing the good side of piracetam with time. Man i can't wait to find out the true mecanism of action with this compound !!! maybe in 50 years from now we'll be watching a TV documentory on the racetam users who lived in the year 1990 - 2009 ... i just hope that at that point i'll be able to say : "I told you this stuff was miraculous... look at me i'm 80 and i feel younger than ever !!! "

[andyr300]

acnecdotally... Ive only never had powerful effects from the powdered form sold at bulknutrition and cognitive nutrition

This is the reason why I brought up the brand. Although I have no idea what he meant exactly, it makes me wonder.

I have used bulknutrition for all of my experiments. I might try different brands to see if the curve slumps over extended use, for me at least. I took 3.6g earlier today (last time I took it was Saturday night, 1.4g) and it's kicking in a bit. Different compared to the slump that I usually get into when I take a dose, which turns into greatness after 5 hours or so.

[rollo]

acnecdotally... Ive only never had powerful effects from the powdered form sold at bulknutrition and cognitive nutrition

This is the reason why I brought up the brand. Although I have no idea what he meant exactly, it makes me wonder.

I have used bulknutrition for all of my experiments. I might try different brands to see if the curve slumps over extended use, for me at least. I took 3.6g earlier today (last time I took it was Saturday night, 1.4g) and it's kicking in a bit. Different compared to the slump that I usually get into when I take a dose, which turns into greatness after 5 hours or so.

i really want to know what happens when you stop taking piracetam... i've only just started so i cannot bring myself to lose what i'm currently experiencing... will the colours fade? will i lose the sharpness that i have gained? will music not sound as 3d as it currently does??

these questions would be best answered by Isochroma but i don't think he could bring himself to starve his brain of it's food...

[acantelopepope]

Sure, I'll tell you what happens.

Last year after some few enjoyable months, shipping and budgetary fuckups caused me to run out of piracetam for 2.5 weeks.

I didn't even notice that I wasn't taking it for a few days.

Then I started a very slow slide, which continued for the next two weeks.

At the end of those couple weeks, I was 90% back to where I had been before starting. It was awful, I was tired again, despite sleeping long hours still woke up tired, focus was poorer during the day, sleepiness dogged me again. Colours weren't so bright, thoughts didn't come, vision not sharp anymore.

Back to the old me, but not completely. Some effects still remained. I wasn't as tired as before starting. Some incremental gains remained, but at least 80% depleted. The worse was the last five days, when the level dipped the most. The decay curve seems to accelerate with time after stopping intake. For the first week it was quite acceptable, not even so noticeable.

That's how it was, and that's why I buy it by the kilo now, much faster than I use it: I'm stockpiling for the future, and to prevent a single shipment fuckup from interrupting the regime. Computers have it, it's called a buffer. No problems since then because I learned to order ahead, and to diversify my suppliers. That is where the Racetam Prices list came from - it was part of the reorganization to prevent such disasters from happening again. And it worked.

For those without stable income, determination, organization, and the willpower to consistently dose, for them it will be impossible to maintain a decent regime or any regime at all. But maybe they don't need it so much. For those that truly need it, they will pay whatever price needs to be paid, bribe whatever officials, make arrangements, etc. For them that really suffer, the pain teaches them to be careful and plan for a future. The pain of that two week loss taught me better than anything else to plan, to buffer, to be exact and uncompromising and insistent.

To be tough with suppliers who consistently fuckup paperwork. To be careful and log all payments sent and shipments arrived, how long they took, which shipper was used (very important) and any other problems. To send the money for the next shipment when my monthly income arrives, before buying anything else. Even before buying food, but after paying rent. Priorities.

So which company have you blessed with this stream of good business?

Is Smart Powders Piracetam as good as the stuff you began with? Is McCandless' good name to be cleared?

[425runner]

Isochroma -

You sound well educated and you write very well, may I ask why you live in poverty? Is it by choice or have you lost your job during the recession? You could very well represent one of the pharmaceutical companies that make Piracetam, maybe even become a rep for PrimaForce or whatever brand you're using.

Sure, I'll tell you what happens.

Last year after some few enjoyable months, shipping and budgetary fuckups caused me to run out of piracetam for 2.5 weeks.

I didn't even notice that I wasn't taking it for a few days.

Then I started a very slow slide, which continued for the next two weeks.

At the end of those couple weeks, I was 90% back to where I had been before starting. It was awful, I was tired again, despite sleeping long hours still woke up tired, focus was poorer during the day, sleepiness dogged me again. Colours weren't so bright, thoughts didn't come, vision not sharp anymore.

Back to the old me, but not completely. Some effects still remained. I wasn't as tired as before starting. Some incremental gains remained, but at least 80% depleted. The worse was the last five days, when the level dipped the most. The decay curve seems to accelerate with time after stopping intake. For the first week it was quite acceptable, not even so noticeable.

That's how it was, and that's why I buy it by the kilo now, much faster than I use it: I'm stockpiling for the future, and to prevent a single shipment fuckup from interrupting the regime. Computers have it, it's called a buffer. No problems since then because I learned to order ahead, and to diversify my suppliers. That is where the Racetam Prices list came from - it was part of the reorganization to prevent such disasters from happening again. And it worked.

For those without stable income, determination, organization, and the willpower to consistently dose, for them it will be impossible to maintain a decent regime or any regime at all. But maybe they don't need it so much. For those that truly need it, they will pay whatever price needs to be paid, bribe whatever officials, make arrangements, etc. For them that really suffer, the pain teaches them to be careful and plan for a future. The pain of that two week loss taught me better than anything else to plan, to buffer, to be exact and uncompromising and insistent.

To be tough with suppliers who consistently fuckup paperwork. To be careful and log all payments sent and shipments arrived, how long they took, which shipper was used (very important) and any other problems. To send the money for the next shipment when my monthly income arrives, before buying anything else. Even before buying food, but after paying rent. Priorities.

[durrrr]

I took it for 2 weeks and only noticed a slight increase in alertness/focus. I took 4.5grams/day combined with 10g of soy lecithin. I discontinued use after 2 weeks, because the effects were not as great as I had hoped/heard.

[golden1]

after trying piracetam, aniracetam, oxiracetam, and pramiracetam I have to say I still value piracetam the most.

all of the other -racetams seem to have side effects that appear somewhat randomly for me, such as sleepyness, depressed mood, headache, and
brain fog. Oxiracetam and pramiracetam felt very similar side effect wise, both of them sometimes making me sleepy and depressed after a couple hours of taking them. They both also seemed to make every day life seem boring and pointless, possibly because I felt like I was able to comprehend so much more, yet I was living such a simple life. Pramiracetam has the most obvious effect for me, it also made me feel really confident in myself. I wish I knew what was causing the side effects because pramiracetam seemed to really improve my thinking and self confidence. Aniracetam seemed great, gave me a lot of energy, reduced depression and anxiety, but over time it just started making me tired and sleepy as well.

Piracetam gives a consistent mood lift with some energy, I can tell it enhances my verbal skills and my creativity a lot. I might try mixing piracetam
with a low dose of pramiracetam, maybe 50-300mg, or a low dose of aniracetam. I didn't like oxiracetam that much at all, except for how it enhanced music.

[LIB]

No, I have no such mental conditions, though my economic life is dogged by poverty, and the unpredictability that goes with it. I am also a very political person and spend some time every day cursing various habits and institutions I see around me. Being at the very bottom, I'm a scrapper that is always ready for a real fight.

Nonetheless, my previous two previous posts compare the changes that took place over the last year and two months, the time during which Piracetam rewrote the ground rules insofar as the attributes that it changed.

These changes were slow but consistent, and persist ever more strongly to this day.

It should be noted that besides the lack of fatigue, only minor consistent changes in personality attributes were noted. Particularly enjoyable has been the decrease in importance of trivial emotions, along with the enhancement of emotion when it relates to, is tied and connected to, something important to my higher thoughts. Nobody has mentioned this before, so either they didn't experience it or didn't have any really important thoughts which could link with emotions to make dancing pairs.

Piracetam thus enhances the power of the conscious selector in modulating the emotional subsystem.

Such a change in emphasis I find thoroughly empowering. Dangerously empowering, especially in a society so sick, so full of corruption. You could say that a sick society thrives on sick, sheepish individuals to perpetuate it by their passivity. To this extent, Piracetam has become a key to both personal renovation and political activity, since it greases the wheel of connective thought, conceptual associations which tend to lead toward the causes of our existence.

I find it a substance which very much encourages anarchistic, antiauthoritarian thought. As I believe anything which enhances higher mental functions would be. Perhaps if my bent of personality was different, then the outcomes would be too. To the extent that Piracetam makes me grow, it can also bring growing pains. Those quaint processes thought to be long finished years ago, turns out they just slowed or stopped due to brain concretization. Refluidization and new growth bring the potential for both positive and negative outcomes, depending on lots of stuff.

It should also be remembered that whole classes of certain intellectually enabling drugs have been banned in most countries. Not only for their beneficial addition to the 'war on drugs' witchhunt, but I suspect to prevent large segments of the population from challenging illegitimate authority. LSD was seen by the US government as dangerous - not to its people but to its power structure. If they were so tenderly concerned with the health of their citizens, free universal health coverage could have been implemented, at a lower cost than the entire war on drugs. Leary's promotions really drove that message home: he was literally broadcasting the message that it could be used to break the political structure. He wasn't ready for the massive retaliation by threatened interests with the entire might of the US State behind them: the coordinated attack of an interwoven system with lots of tools at its disposal to deal with disruptive folks like him.

How else can 1% of the US population continue to get away with stealing 40% of real income?

Piracetam seems to have made it under the radar because it's thought to be 'weak'. It is not weak, but underused and underappreciated in my opinion. It has the potential to far exceed the feared LSD and similars in breaking power, depending on what direction its powers are taken in. And that is where the person comes in. For perhaps as much or more than any psychedelic, Piracetam is a ship waiting for direction - a sword which could cut in one or both directions. To remember those directions, and that there is always one more than it seemed there was yesterday - that is its own truly unique contribution.

I think that's all wonderful, but what I would like to know is why it worked so well for about 3 months and then gradually it produced effects so bad that I can no longer take it without being tossed into confusion and despair.

If piracetam worked as well for me now as it did from December through February, I would agree with a lot of the statements you are making about it. But now I am leaning towards believing that the continual upregulation of Ach receptors must have, and will inevitably, lead to a downward spiral.

I have been trying to figure this one out for the past four months. It is the reason that I joined this board. It is the reason I read cryptic studies late into the night... asking "why did piracetam + choline stop working for me?"

I have an ever increasing pool of theories, but no answers.

Has anyone experienced anything similar? How about the people for whom piracetam genuinely does not work to begin with-- (I'm not talking about the people who tried it for a few days and didn't notice anything immediately, but the ones who are veteran smart drug users and categorically determined that it was not effective for them).

I read a post on here about a guy that piracetam stopped working for him and he read something where it may be possible that you're low on pregnelone, and supplementation brings back the positive effect of piracetam.

[kassem23]

Hey guys. I just wanted to let you know that I tried taking 3.4 grams of piracetam before sleep yesterday and I couldn't sleep. My mind was racing and really enjoying everything. So I sat up all night not being able to go to sleep. Do anybody have similar experiences with piracetam? I've not even had symptoms of sleep deprivation this morning - I was really speedy. Thanks in advance.

[rollo]

425runner: I'm poorly educated - never went past grade 11, and I live on a medical disability. It's easy to write well when one has lots of time to practice, that's all.

don't make excuses for why you write well...

the fact is that you do, and i agree with 425runner, you should become a rep for a supp company at the least, you could sell anything i'm sure...

it's all about playing to your strengths...

[LIB]

Isochroma,

Does taking piracetam counteract the negative effects of THC for you? Do you do any type of "work" on piracetam? school or otherwise?