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[Tony V]

Hi there everyone,

Most of you know about Ginkgo Biloba and alot of people say it is ineffective and Ive read some articles quoting studies which found Ginkgo Biloba ineffective and has no beneficial effect on memory whatsoever.

However, the ginkgo biloba in the studies and what most people are taking is either an inferior product or just Ginkgo Biloba Leafs or plant material. Ginkgo biloba powder may not do anything, but a special standardized extract of Ginkgo does.

This special Extract is Patented and called Egb 761. I will now share the studies that prove the efficacy of this Extract.

EGb 761® improved cognitive functioning, neuropsychiatric symptoms and functional abilities in both types of dementia

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22086747

Ginkgo biloba extract EGb 761 in dementia (EGb 761 improves cognitive function)

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/14663654

Ginkgo biloba extract EGb 761 protects against mitochondrial aging in the brain and in the liver.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12396080

EGb 761: ginkgo biloba extract

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17627482

Proof of efficacy of the ginkgo biloba special extract EGb 761 in patients suffering dementia of Alzheimer or multi - infarct dementia.

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/8741021

The efficacy of Ginkgo special extract EGb 761 in patients with tinnitus.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12051570

Ginkgo extract in impaired vision--treatment with special extract EGb 761.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12244891

Ginkgo biloba extract (EGb 761) improves changes in avoidance learning and brain membrane fluidity.

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/8858713

Ginkgo biloba extract (EGb 761) protects hippocampal neurons against cell death

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10886329

Ginkgo biloba special extract EGb 761 in the treatment of peripheral arterial occlusive disease

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15180165

Effect of treatment with Ginkgo biloba extract EGb 761 (oral) on unilateral idiopathic sudden hearing loss
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11548897


I have found Tebonin (Ginkgo Biloba Egb 671) on amazon for £39.99 for 30 Tablets with £25 delivery, so thats £65 for 30 Capsules. So its pretty expensive. This is the link : Egb 671 Amazon. I bought 30 Tablets a while ago and i felt an improvement in Cognition within 2 weeks.

Without delivery fees it would cost about £40 in the u.k.
Post your thoughts, and also any stores to buy this from.

Please Dont Quote my post so i can edit it. Thanks.

Edited by Tony V, 30 August 2013 - 04:08 PM.

[andrewmartinuk]

Thanks for the study references , thats easy to navigate.

I can put my 2 cents in, i bought some from a U.K Supplier just over a week ago,
i bought them at £11 for 30 Capsules which is like £50 cheaper than the ones on amazon.
and i also got 90 for £24 a few days ago,

I felt an effect within a week, i just felt more relaxed and more stable even on the first day.
I feel like i can concentrate and focus on tasks easier. I love the effects. I also supplement other thing alongside the Ginkgo Extact

i got mine from http://mrnootropic.madefreshly.com/

Edited by andrewmartinuk, 30 August 2013 - 04:51 PM.

[Tony V]

I experienced similar results, its not a miracle substance but i have noticed great effects.
Im fairly young so i was suprised it even worked on me.

And Thanks for the link , thats really cheap . And i just Googled the product he is selling and it is legit, the one he is selling is the same used in some of them studies above. I might get some

Amazon also has the same stuff but alot more expensive. Amazon also has a Ginkgo Exract but its from Thailand and takes 21 days to be delivered. Im not waiting around that long for something lol..

Ill add the link to my post,, Thanks for that.

Edited by Tony V, 30 August 2013 - 05:03 PM.

[IVDaDon1]

Wow, them studies look promising.
Ive tried Ginkgo Biloba before with no success.

I recently ordered some Noopept from that same store your talking about @andrew, my order came today, as i ran out of some i bought from mind nutrition and this one is alot less expensive and i feel more of an effect which is weird.

Anyways back on topic, i might have to try some of the special extract as it sounds promising.

It looks like Mr Nootropic has sold out of the Special Extract, and By the way, that Mr Nootropic Dude is on this forum lol.. He replied to one of my posts yesterday, ill have message him and see if hes getting more Ginkgo Extract .

Edited by IVDaDon1, 30 August 2013 - 04:38 PM.

[daouda]

Andrew joined yesterday, Tony joined today, and them both have a post count of 5. Fwiw

[andrewmartinuk]

Andrew joined yesterday, Tony joined today, and them both have a post count of 5. Fwiw

Yeah, ive been browsing this site for a while now, so i thought i would join..

I mainly use the Brain Health Forum, this is my favourite site for Nootropic conversations.

And ive posted more than 5 times, lol.
i dont understand what your saying, why cant i post in topics that i have an interest in ?? :S...
Im kinda confused lol..

Edited by andrewmartinuk, 30 August 2013 - 05:19 PM.

[chemicalambrosia]

Also known as EGb761, EGb-761, GBE 761, GBE 761 ONC, GBE-761, Rokan, Tanakan, Tebofortran, Tebokan or Tebonin, GinkgoGold, Quater
EGb 761 is a highly standardized Ginkgo leaf extract made and marketed by the German pharmaceutical company Dr. Willmar Schwabe GmbH & Co
EGb 761 contains 24% ginkgo flavone glycosides and has had the terpene trilactones enriched to 6% (3.1% ginkgolides A, B, C and 2.9% bilobalide) and the allergenic ginkgolic acids removed down to a few ppm.
Dr. Willmar Schwabe GmbH & Co holds United States Patent 5,399,348 and European Patent No. 0431535 B1 for the manufacturing process of the EGb 761 extract
The extract EGb 761 is commonly used in clinical tests involving Ginkgo and is also an ingredient in many herbal supplies.

from: http://www.gincobilo...oba-extract.php

A link to US patent: https://www.google.c...tents/US5399348

Sold as "ginkgold" by Nature's Way in USA: http://www.prnewswir...s-72596862.html

http://www.amazon.co...ywords=ginkgold

"Natural substances in psychiatry (Ginkgo biloba in dementia)"
ITIL T; Martorano D
Psychopharmacology bulletin 1995 ;31(1):147-158
MEDL:7675979 #56765

Natural substances and/or their synthetically developed active ingredients are frequently used in medicine. In psychiatry, two of the most well known natural compounds are reserpine and Ginkgo biloba extract (EGb). EGb is among the most popular over-the-counter medicines in Europe and is also available in the United States, primarily in health food stores. Already the European medical community has recognized EGb as an effective compound in the treatment of cerebral insufficiency. In a pilot bioequivalency study, the effects of three different commercially available EGb products were examined. Findings indicated significant quantitative central nervous system (CNS) effects in, at least, one of the three. Furthermore, the CNS effects of Ginkgold were similar to other psychoactive compounds classified as cognitive activators. Recent studies in which EGb 761 demonstrated therapeutic effects in the treatment of dementia have earned EGb the approval of the German BGA (Bundesgesundheit Amt) for use in the treatment of dementia."

So according to the above, the patented ginkgo has been tested against a couple other brands. Wish we had full text access. I wonder if there is any difference between good extracts and the patented stuff, as the patented stuff is pretty expensive. Anyone tried both and noticed a difference? I have doctor's best brand around, but haven't used it yet because I've been trialing other things. I haven't used ginkgo in a really long time. Interesting thread IMO though, and I'm pretty sure the OP and the first guy to reply aren't shills, since they both posted different sources and different brands.

[Luminosity]

Ginkgo is very popular, and intelligent people know that it works. It has been used for hundreds of years, if not longer. The drug companies are trying to cast doubt on this herb by publishing rigged studies and releasing them in the media, counting on soundbite journalism, which hasn't failed them yet (and buying millions of dollars in drug ads probably helps).

So don't worry that Ginkgo is harmful or ineffective. It is neither.

[andrewmartinuk]

I wonder if there is any difference between good extracts and the patented stuff, as the patented stuff is pretty expensive. Anyone tried both and noticed a difference? I have doctor's best brand around, but haven't used it yet because I've been trialing other things. I haven't used ginkgo in a really long time. Interesting thread IMO though, and I'm pretty sure the OP and the first guy to reply aren't shills, since they both posted different sources and different brands.

Yes, ive tried the whole natural herb & powder itself and didnt notice any effects, i also took an extract i got from a health store and i noticed a mild effect if not any at all.

But with this Egb 761 Extract, i noticed a a really strong effect from the first day..
When i took 2 of them i noticed an anxiolytic, anti - anxiety effect. A sense of calm rushed over me, which is strange because im not sure if it has been studied for this effect.

So i think that Ginkgo is pretty amazing, but you need to actually get the Real Pure Substance, i take the one available on prescription and used by doctors and the same one used it the studies so i know what im getting is of high quality (its called Tanakan by Ipsen btw).

I can recommend this extract to anyone who wants to use Ginkgo in its purest form.
Ive tried various Ginkgo's for over 3 years & this one extract is my recommendation.

Edited by andrewmartinuk, 31 August 2013 - 03:43 PM.

[andrewmartinuk]

The drug companies are trying to cast doubt on this herb by publishing rigged studies and releasing them in the media, counting on soundbite journalism, which hasn't failed them yet (and buying millions of dollars in drug ads probably helps).

So don't worry that Ginkgo is harmful or ineffective. It is neither.

I agree with you 100%, and by the way, pretty much all of the studies against this herb to try and make it look ineffective and that it doesnt work are studying the whole herb or a random inferior extract.

But now when you look at studies done on Egb 761 a pure and clean extract, all of the studies prove how effective it is in memory disorders and Alzheimer's.

I just advise people to get the purest form of any herb they are taking..

[Godof Smallthings]

Based on my experimentation, I'd agree that not all types of ginkgo are created equal.

I haven't tried anything with Egb 761, but Boots-branded ginkgo has worked well for me as a temporary focus booster. It synergizes really well with green tea, salmon oil, ALCAR and piracetam, but doesn't seem to go so well with coffee and gotu kola (increased jitteriness).

I'll try Egb 761 to see if I notice an improvement.

[renfr]

Thanks for the study references , thats easy to navigate.

I can put my 2 cents in, i bought some from a U.K Supplier just over a week ago,
i bought them at £11 for 30 Capsules which is like £50 cheaper than the ones on amazon.
and i also got 90 for £24 a few days ago,

I felt an effect within a week, i just felt more relaxed and more stable even on the first day.
I feel like i can concentrate and focus on tasks easier. I love the effects. I also supplement other thing alongside the Ginkgo Extact

i got mine from http://mrnootropic.madefreshly.com/

Already sold out? Oh come on...

[88LS]

http://mrnootropic.madefreshly.com/ - Still out of stock..

If someone finds another cheap source of Egb 761 w/ international shipping please let me know.

[renfr]

Nevermind, EGB 761 is also called Tanakan and is available OTC in my country : http://www.ipsen.com...anakan EN_0.pdf

Didn't know that, very interesting!

[cougar]

It would be really nice if it is as what chemicalambrosia had pointed out - the Nature's Way Gingold is actually Egb 761 (Sold as "ginkgold" by Nature's Way in USA: http://www.prnewswir...s-72596862.html). I have been taking it the entire last week and seemed to be helpful on finger circulation.

Can anyone conform that Nature's way Gingold is Egb 761?

Edited by cougar, 01 September 2013 - 11:10 PM.

[Douggers]

It would be really nice if it is as what chemicalambrosia had pointed out - the Nature's Way Gingold is actually Egb 761 (Sold as "ginkgold" by Nature's Way in USA: http://www.prnewswir...s-72596862.html). I have been taking it the entire last week and seemed to be helpful on finger circulation.

Can anyone conform that Nature's way Gingold is Egb 761?

http://www.schwabeph...6_19_new_us.php

Says it is! Hope this helps

[daouda]

This has already been discussed here before
http://www.longecity...o-vs-gingkgold/

Ginkgold IS egb 761
http://www.schwabeph...6_19_new_us.php

EDIT just saw someone beat me to it by 1 minute! It just took a "ginkgold egb 761" google search after all...

Iherb has very cheap and reliable international shipping
http://iherb.com/Nat...60-Tablets/1992

Edited by daouda, 01 September 2013 - 11:24 PM.

[mrnootropic]

http://mrnootropic.madefreshly.com/ - Still out of stock..

If someone finds another cheap source of Egb 761 w/ international shipping please let me know.

Nevermind, EGB 761 is also called Tanakan and is available OTC in my country : http://www.ipsen.com...anakan EN_0.pdf

Didn't know that, very interesting!

Hey guys, thats my store lol..

@Renfr, i suggest you just buy it OTC .. This extract is available OTC in your country like you said.
usa, Germany And France are the only countries that have it ( i think). We dont have it in the U.K. Which is why get it imported.

Its impossible to get anywhere in the U.K , its a shame really.

Yeah im out of stock at the moment, i didnt know i would sell that fast.
As for International shipping i would get them from iherb like daouda said.
For U.S.A and other countries just buy from iherb.

My product is cheaper than iherb, and my delivery costs £3 with no customs,my 2nd class delivery is soon to be free.
Its 22.50 for 90 tabs, 16.50 for 60 tabs and 11.50 for 30 tabs. (My prices may lower or increase in the future depending on my suppliers prices)
If anyone in the U.K / E.U, needs any i will be stocking more very soon.

Im glad i found this topic, ive been browsing on here,
im also on twitter @Insensusuk, i post non - stop health and supplement / nootropic info.

EDIT : Oh, and the Ginkgo Extract i have is the one manufactured by Ipsen.

Edited by Mr.Nootropic, 02 September 2013 - 06:27 PM.

[mrnootropic]

i got mine from http://mrnootropic.madefreshly.com/

thanks for reccomending my site, i appreciate it .
Im having a special promo offer soon for all the longecity members.

When i can afford, im going to donate to longecity, but as of now, all i can do
is a special promo offer for longecity members only.
This promo will happen soon, 3 - 4 weeks, maybe sooner.
I only ship to the U.K at the moment though, so its for U.K members.

In the future i will do a promo for other countries, so dont worry

Edited by Mr.Nootropic, 02 September 2013 - 06:19 PM.

[mrnootropic]

Ginkgo Biloba - The Neutral Nootropic is also a good thread about ginkgo, not this extract but ginkgo as a herb & substance overall

[renfr]

Just bought EGb 761 at my local pharmacy dirt cheap.

Edited by renfr, 03 September 2013 - 11:19 PM.

[mrnootropic]

Just bought EGb 761 at my local pharmacy dirt cheap.

I wish i live over in france! haha, its so expensive to get over here in the u.k
Its not available from france to buy online, only otc?

Whats your opinion on the extract ?? I think its pretty good, mostly for stress, i find it more stress relieveing than mind boosting or anything else..

I may take this extract with Gotu Kola in the future, i take it with ashwagangha atm

[renfr]

Just bought EGb 761 at my local pharmacy dirt cheap.

I wish i live over in france! haha, its so expensive to get over here in the u.k
Its not available from france to buy online, only otc?

Whats your opinion on the extract ?? I think its pretty good, mostly for stress, i find it more stress relieveing than mind boosting or anything else..

I may take this extract with Gotu Kola in the future, i take it with ashwagangha atm

Yes you can buy it online but only domestic shipping is allowed. I could buy some and sell it if anyone needs it.

I took 240mg yesterday as well as today, it's too early to say if it does anything.
As for mind boosting, if there is any then it is very subtle.

Adding gotu kola which improves blood flow significantly could be worth it, I have some caps left there.

I will try it with a cold shower to improve circulation significantly.

[mrnootropic]

Yes you can buy it online but only domestic shipping is allowed. I could buy some and sell it if anyone needs it.

I took 240mg yesterday as well as today, it's too early to say if it does anything.
As for mind boosting, if there is any then it is very subtle.

Adding gotu kola which improves blood flow significantly could be worth it, I have some caps left there.

I will try it with a cold shower to improve circulation significantly.

Oh ,ok . yeah i agree, its very subtle.
Ive been taking it for a while & you feel the effects more as you keep taking it.
But i like to use it with other herbs to increase its effects..

[mrnootropic]

Yes you can buy it online but only domestic shipping is allowed. I could buy some and sell it if anyone needs it.

the only bad thing, is that we in the U.K have to pay import fees, even if we buy something for dirt cheap
we have to pay maybe £15-£20 for import fee and customs etc.

i would sell it to usa maybe? i dont know.... or maybe a country that doesnt charge as much as we do for importing.
The overall cost for delivery & fees from importing from germany, france & prague was more money than the products i was ordering, it was more than double the costs of the actual products lol.

But back on topic, has anyone even experienced any effects on the whole herb??
Or from a health food store extract ??

Edited by Mr.Nootropic, 04 September 2013 - 12:09 PM.

[BlueCloud]

Just bought EGb 761 at my local pharmacy dirt cheap.

Funny, I was thinking these last weeks about trying some Ginkgo too, but then i remembered it's probably a bad idea to do so while I'm taking Piracetam. See : http://www.longecity...-with-racetams/

By the way, is it Tanakan that you got from the pharmacy ?

Edited by BlueCloud, 04 September 2013 - 12:36 PM.

[renfr]

Just bought EGb 761 at my local pharmacy dirt cheap.

Funny, I was thinking these last weeks about trying some Ginkgo too, but then i remembered it's probably a bad idea to do so while I'm taking Piracetam. See : http://www.longecity...-with-racetams/

By the way, is it Tanakan that you got from the pharmacy ?

It's fine to take it with piracetam, that study was in 1996 but there's another one that was made in 2000 and it debunked these claims : http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10698362

And yes it's tanakan.

[BlueCloud]

It's fine to take it with piracetam, that study was in 1996 but there's another one that was made in 2000 and it debunked these claims : http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10698362

And yes it's tanakan.

Thanks. But I'm actually more concerned about the blood thinning aspect than the MAO. I'm also taking low doses of Curcumin, and may introduce fresh Ginger everyday in my diet soon (all with potential blood thinning aspect, although maybe not as strong as Ginkgo...)

[mrnootropic]

Thanks. But I'm actually more concerned about the blood thinning aspect than the MAO. I'm also taking low doses of Curcumin, and may introduce fresh Ginger everyday in my diet soon (all with potential blood thinning aspect, although maybe not as strong as Ginkgo...)

I couldnt agree more.

When you take Ginkgo, the biggest thing you should worry about is the Blood Thinning Properties. imo
I tell people not to take it with aspirin or blood thinning meds.
Some also say not to take it with SSRI'S or MAOI's ..

Always be careful, but if your not taking any meds, i would give ginkgo a try.
I eat ginger all the time and turmeric. I havent had any side effects with taking ginkgo. ( Yet)

Edited by Mr.Nootropic, 04 September 2013 - 01:44 PM.

[renfr]

It's fine to take it with piracetam, that study was in 1996 but there's another one that was made in 2000 and it debunked these claims : http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10698362

And yes it's tanakan.

Thanks. But I'm actually more concerned about the blood thinning aspect than the MAO. I'm also taking low doses of Curcumin, and may introduce fresh Ginger everyday in my diet soon (all with potential blood thinning aspect, although maybe not as strong as Ginkgo...)

It's fine if you only take supplements with barely significant blood thinning activity.
If you're taking blood thinning meds such as warfarin, coumadin or even aspirin then yes you should be cautious with that.

I personally take lots of fish oil, garlic, cayenne pepper, vitamin E with my ginkgo and I have no coagulation issues.