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[eon]

I read Inositol is supposed to be effective for OCD problems. I've had OCD for years but it has lessened in severity. I have yet to try some Inositol. I read that an effective dose for OCD is very high, at about 18 grams a day and stacked with choline of about the same dosage. I hope a lower dose would be ok. I've tried pharmaceutical prescription drugs for OCD and depression years ago but I'm no longer a fan of prescription junk as it made symptoms and side effects a lot worse.

Edited by eon, 01 September 2013 - 07:08 AM.

[pamojja]

, at about 18 grams a day and stacked with choline of about the same dosage. I hope a lower dose would be ok.

For choline there is a DRI of 550 mg and a UL of 3500mg set. Many experience adverse effects already much below that. Would increase choline very slowly.

[thomasthomas]

Eon-

I, too, used to suffer from OCD. The good news is that it tends to get better with age.

Also, the medical literature (and my own experience) suggests that it is strongly related to a serotonin
deficiency.

I would suggest that if you want to try to treat your OCD with supplements, you stack your Inositol
with other serotonin-raising / anxiety-reducing supplements.

[eon]

That's interesting regarding the serotonin deficiency. I also have a heart valve problem called mitral valve prolapse. It is said to be linked to magnesium deficiency. I think my heart beats well these days ever since I have been supplementing with magnesium at 250mg daily. Not sure what the cause of a serotonin deficiency is. I have tried 5-htp, St. John's Wort and SAM-e all at once and I think it was a bad combination. I think Inositol is more promising than any of those.

Eon-

I, too, used to suffer from OCD. The good news is that it tends to get better with age.

Also, the medical literature (and my own experience) suggests that it is strongly related to a serotonin
deficiency.

I would suggest that if you want to try to treat your OCD with supplements, you stack your Inositol
with other serotonin-raising / anxiety-reducing supplements.

[eon]

oh by the way how does an OCD sufferer ever became serotonin deficient? Is it many factors? I've tried some psilocybin mushrooms before dosed at 2 grams dried. I think it has helped with my depression and OCD as it does play a role regarding serotonin, I think. I haven't used mushrooms in months though.

[eon]

I had just read that one of the main causes of serotonin deficiency is metal toxicity. I have been around metals almost all my life. What I meant by this is I am a bodybuilder which means I have those iron weight plates in my house. Not sure if my serotonin deficiency had anything to do with it but all those years of grabbing something to eat without washing my hands after I had just touched those metals might be something to think about. I also know it was from lack of sleep as well as not supplementing with anything. I was one of those that felt didn't need "medicines", not even a multivitamin. So I guess I depleted myself of the proper nutrients. Regular foods alone can't do it all.

Regarding metal toxicity; the aluminium foil pans we use to bake, etc. I worked at a restaurant before, usually a fryer is metal and it sits inside the hot oil, which probably melts the metals and we end up consuming metals with our fries. The meat that we just throw in the oven usually sits on the metal grill itself or placed on baking foil pans, which is aluminum. Now, wouldn't a different medium be safer, say a wax paper? Some mediums are oven and microwave safe like ceramic type baking plates. The drinking water that comes out of the faucet goes through metal pipes for the most part, not plastic. I use a water filter but this only lessens the intake of metals.

I read from the book "Smart Drugs and Nutrients" about how to remove aluminums from the brain and body. Two acids: citric and malic acid. Malic is supposed to work better at removing metals from brain and nerve tissue while citric removes metals from body tissue. These 2 acids are common ingredients and additives in sodas and other drinks, but I think a bulk powder version of either one is better since I don't drink sodas or much fruit juices. I've seen citric acids being sold in bulk powders and it's very cheap. I haven't seen too much of malic acid being sold. I'd have to look around for it. Anyone here ever supplemented with either fruit acids? I'd like to hear from you.

Edited by eon, 03 September 2013 - 06:56 AM.

[thomasthomas]

*eon*-

You are using OCD reasoning to explain your OCD. Seriously dude... first of all, scientists aren't sure what causes OCD. Serotonin
deficiency is thought to be a cause because increasing serotonin levels tends to decrease the severity of OCD symptoms in sufferers.

That doesn't prove conclusively that OCD is caused by serotonin deficiency. The relationship may be a lot more complex.

I strongly suspect that your contact with metal as you described is nothing out of the ordinary and not the cause of your OCD. In any case,
if you want to try something which is entirely safe, you could try using Chlorella (Google 'Chlorella remove heavy metals').

I tried inositol once, and the effects were not that great. Plus, you have to consume huge amounts for it to be effective. I didn't consume
huge amounts, primarily because I got the runs from it.

I am surprised you had bad luck with 5-HTP and St. John's Wort. How do you mean it was a 'bad combination'?

I would try other anti-anxiety supplements. Magnesium is good. Try also Theanine and Phosphatidyl Serine.

[eon]

Could OCD be the cause of habit that turned into the OCD illness? A habit like being too careful or worrying. I've had this since childhood then in my teens it went downhill from there into my adulthood. I think I noticed my OCD in my late teens and at the time I didn't even know anything about such illness until in my 20's. That's why it's good to read. LOL.

I'll look into chlorella. I think my multi vitamin has that already so does inositol but lower dosages.

As I mentioned above, I have mitral valve prolapse (heart defect). From recent readings, 5-htp is not good for the heart. Maybe that was the reason why I had bad luck with it. I was told by someone that it was just a bit much to combine 5-htp, st, john's wort, and SAM-e all at once. It was not a synergistic stack. I haven't been on either those 3 in about 3 years and I have been happy since.

Did you stack inositol with a choline?

I do stack phosphatidyl serine with vinpocetine. I take L-theanine when I drink tea as it is said to be synergistic to take with caffeine. I don't drink coffee that much. Magnesium I take daily as my heart defect is said to be a magnesium deficiency.

I have some picamilon powders but I have not tried it yet. It is said to be for anxiety. My OCD is not as bad as before. I've had it for over 10 years. It had been slowly decreasing but if inositol could make it all go away sooner, I'd be happier.

Walnuts and hickory (which is pecan) is said to increase serotonin levels, higher than any source outside of "supplements". Interesting that these 2 nuts are not as easily available as peanuts or almonds.

*eon*-

You are using OCD reasoning to explain your OCD. Seriously dude... first of all, scientists aren't sure what causes OCD. Serotonin
deficiency is thought to be a cause because increasing serotonin levels tends to decrease the severity of OCD symptoms in sufferers.

That doesn't prove conclusively that OCD is caused by serotonin deficiency. The relationship may be a lot more complex.

I strongly suspect that your contact with metal as you described is nothing out of the ordinary and not the cause of your OCD. In any case,
if you want to try something which is entirely safe, you could try using Chlorella (Google 'Chlorella remove heavy metals').

I tried inositol once, and the effects were not that great. Plus, you have to consume huge amounts for it to be effective. I didn't consume
huge amounts, primarily because I got the runs from it.

I am surprised you had bad luck with 5-HTP and St. John's Wort. How do you mean it was a 'bad combination'?

I would try other anti-anxiety supplements. Magnesium is good. Try also Theanine and Phosphatidyl Serine.

[firespin]

I am hesitant about trying choline. If you search online there is quite a bit of people who say choline increased their ocd. Choline is important for neural development, so it may be that since some neurons is already wired wrongly with ocd that choline may enhanced that faulty wiring.

I have not tried but did read good things about using inositol at high doses; the highest was 18g a day. I would not expect Inositol to cure OCD, but it may help reduce ocd when used with techniques like CBT.

I have ocd. I am currently using techniques that I have learned from reading the book “Brain Lock” and I see it is working gradually. I am also planning to start practicing mindfulness/insight meditation because I read that it helps increase focus and train your mind to ignore thoughts, which is helpful in fighting ocd. I will also give Inositol a 2 month try. (I read somewhere that you need to take Inositol for at least 6 weeks to start seeing results) If you want to lessen your ocd (or put in remission) you will have to stay diligent as it take the brain several months to fix faulty wiring.

Edited by firespin, 12 September 2013 - 01:35 PM.

[garyes]

I am hesitant about trying choline. If you search online there is quite a bit of people who say choline increased their ocd. Choline is important for neural development, so it may be that since some neurons is already wired wrongly with ocd that choline may enhanced that faulty wiring.

I have not tried but did read good things about using inositol at high doses; the highest was 18g a day. I would not expect Inositol to cure OCD, but it may help reduce ocd when used with techniques like CBT.

I have ocd. I am currently using techniques that I have learned from reading the book “Brain Lock” and I see it is working gradually. I am also planning to start practicing mindfulness/insight meditation because I read that it helps increase focus and train your mind to ignore thoughts, which is helpful in fighting ocd. I will also give Inositol a 2 month try. (I read somewhere that you need to take Inositol for at least 6 weeks to start seeing results) If you want to lessen your ocd (or put in remission) you will have to stay diligent as it take the brain several months to fix faulty wiring.

interesting now that you mention it I think it increased my OCD lol

[Kepel]

As much as I'd like to hear from someone actually succeeding with inositol, the sure way to go would be Luvox (fluvoxamine). Speaking from experience here, 300mg cured my OCD like magic.

But if you do try inositol, make sure you buy in bulk. 18 mg/day for a few months is a lot of powder.

[Heh]

There is no need for choline to be dosed equal to the amount of Inositol you use. You don't need to go over the daily required amount. Inositol may take up to 6 weeks to start working (at 18g/day), and it can be combined with 5-HTP to deal with the serotonin problems. Ideally you would take the 5-HTP sublingually, then spit out whatever isn't absorbed after 10-15 minutes. If I remember correctly, taking 5-HTP sublingually gets around the heart problems. You can search for this online to see if I'm correct.

[firespin]

You should start using Inositol at a low dose and gradually work up to high daily doses to give your body time to adjust using it. Once you reach the high doses then give at least 6 weeks to see results.

When you begin taking the high daily doses make sure to spread it out into several small ones throughout the day to avoid or lessen side effects (gas/bloat, sleepiness etc). I also read that individuals with bipolar disorder may have negative effects while on Inositol (increased agitation and impulsiveness, mania). So if you are also bipolar or suspect you are bipolar, it is best to check with your doctor first.

Edited by firespin, 13 September 2013 - 12:01 AM.

[eon]

I am hesitant about trying choline. If you search online there is quite a bit of people who say choline increased their ocd. Choline is important for neural development, so it may be that since some neurons is already wired wrongly with ocd that choline may enhanced that faulty wiring.

I have not tried but did read good things about using inositol at high doses; the highest was 18g a day. I would not expect Inositol to cure OCD, but it may help reduce ocd when used with techniques like CBT.

I have ocd. I am currently using techniques that I have learned from reading the book “Brain Lock” and I see it is working gradually. I am also planning to start practicing mindfulness/insight meditation because I read that it helps increase focus and train your mind to ignore thoughts, which is helpful in fighting ocd. I will also give Inositol a 2 month try. (I read somewhere that you need to take Inositol for at least 6 weeks to start seeing results) If you want to lessen your ocd (or put in remission) you will have to stay diligent as it take the brain several months to fix faulty wiring.

Choline has not increased my OCD. I think it is still at the same level. Maybe the "thoughts" is making some people's OCD worse?

What is CBT?

Wouldn't "mindfulness" be an OCD symptom? Wouldn't "mindlessness" be more anti-OCD behavior? LOL. Maybe I got it backwards?

As much as I'd like to hear from someone actually succeeding with inositol, the sure way to go would be Luvox (fluvoxamine). Speaking from experience here, 300mg cured my OCD like magic.

But if you do try inositol, make sure you buy in bulk. 18 mg/day for a few months is a lot of powder.

Inositol in bulk is cheap, around $25 for 1 kilogram (1000 grams). Now that people started talking about Inositol, my supplier jacked up the price to $40! Why?

Is Luvox prescription? Is it sold in bulk powders? I like the word "cured" so that way I won't have to be stuck on Luvox forever.

There is no need for choline to be dosed equal to the amount of Inositol you use. You don't need to go over the daily required amount. Inositol may take up to 6 weeks to start working (at 18g/day), and it can be combined with 5-HTP to deal with the serotonin problems. Ideally you would take the 5-HTP sublingually, then spit out whatever isn't absorbed after 10-15 minutes. If I remember correctly, taking 5-HTP sublingually gets around the heart problems. You can search for this online to see if I'm correct.

I read somewhere that maybe serotonin deficiency is not the problem. Maybe it is GABA deficiency. I can't recall the exact wordings. The daily foods we eat have serotonin in them so we do get enough of it. Walnuts and pecans have them as well as other foods. When I tried Picamilon last night at just 50mg, it gave me such wonderful feeling. It's GABA with Niacin=Picamilon. My past stack of 5-htp, St. John's Wort and SAMe made my symptoms worse. I think I had too much serotonin going on and not enough GABA. Look it up.

I can eat some really happy foods, which means my serotonin levels should be fine, my GABA isn't.

Edited by eon, 13 September 2013 - 05:47 AM.

[eon]

Which choline were you taking and at what dosage? How long did you stay on it? This will indicate why your OCD got worse I would think.

I am hesitant about trying choline. If you search online there is quite a bit of people who say choline increased their ocd. Choline is important for neural development, so it may be that since some neurons is already wired wrongly with ocd that choline may enhanced that faulty wiring.

I have not tried but did read good things about using inositol at high doses; the highest was 18g a day. I would not expect Inositol to cure OCD, but it may help reduce ocd when used with techniques like CBT.

I have ocd. I am currently using techniques that I have learned from reading the book “Brain Lock” and I see it is working gradually. I am also planning to start practicing mindfulness/insight meditation because I read that it helps increase focus and train your mind to ignore thoughts, which is helpful in fighting ocd. I will also give Inositol a 2 month try. (I read somewhere that you need to take Inositol for at least 6 weeks to start seeing results) If you want to lessen your ocd (or put in remission) you will have to stay diligent as it take the brain several months to fix faulty wiring.

interesting now that you mention it I think it increased my OCD lol

Edited by eon, 13 September 2013 - 06:36 AM.

[firespin]

What is CBT?

CBT is Cognitive behavioral therapy.
http://en.wikipedia....avioral_therapy

There are different CBT approaches for different mental disorders. You can go to a professional for CBT treatment for OCD, or if you want can first try self-help with the book Brain Lock which was written specifically for people with OCD.:
http://www.amazon.co...r/dp/0060987111

Wouldn't "mindfulness" be an OCD symptom? Wouldn't "mindlessness" be more anti-OCD behavior?

No. OCD is unwanted obsession and compulsions, and has nothing to do with mindfulness. Mindfulness promotes attentive awareness of reality and calmness. More psychological treatments are now making use of mindfulness techniques
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Mindfulness
http://en.wikipedia....ess_(psychology)

While mindfulness meditation has its origin in Buddhism, you don’t actually need to believe in Buddhism. You just have to follow the techniques and many people from different walks of life use mindfulness meditation. Remember that different types of meditations are not the same and from what I have read so far only mindfulness/insight meditation has been seen as beneficial in help treating OCD and anxiety.

Edited by firespin, 13 September 2013 - 11:33 AM.

[Kepel]

As much as I'd like to hear from someone actually succeeding with inositol, the sure way to go would be Luvox (fluvoxamine). Speaking from experience here, 300mg cured my OCD like magic.

But if you do try inositol, make sure you buy in bulk. 18 mg/day for a few months is a lot of powder.

Inositol in bulk is cheap, around $25 for 1 kilogram (1000 grams). Now that people started talking about Inositol, my supplier jacked up the price to $40! Why?

Is Luvox prescription? Is it sold in bulk powders? I like the word "cured" so that way I won't have to be stuck on Luvox forever.

Luvox is prescription (or should be, as far as I understand US laws). You can buy it online at United Pharmacies, though. It's a lot more expensive than inositol.

And as far as I'm concerned, there is no absolute cure for OCD, it will always come back at some point in the future. (Unless we are talking brain surgery or something crazy like that)

However, this comeback should hopefully take years, and luvox is supposed to take care of it again, so no worries.

[firespin]

I want to add that it’s important to know and keep in mind that studies show the thoughts that come to people with OCD are not different from the thoughts of people without OCD. The difference is how people with OCD react to the thoughts. So such thoughts will always be with you because it is a part of being human. What you can change though is how you react to those thoughts. Once you do that and continue to do so, the brain begins to work on fixing itself and over time such thoughts will occur less often.

A problem with some people who suffer OCD, get treatment, and relapse later is that they think the thoughts themselves are the OCD. So if one day they get a thought they associate with OCD, they believe it is back and relapse. This is why you have to learn to not let the thoughts bother you.

Edited by firespin, 14 September 2013 - 01:51 AM.

[eon]

Luvox belong in the class of drug called SRI. I have tried something similar several years ago, Zoloft, which I think is an SSRI. It's for treatment of OCD, amongst other things as well. I wasn't too crazy for it. Not sure what the difference is, if any, between an SRI or an SSRI. I haven't been on any prescription medication for over 5 years. My OCD has lessened throughout the years. I think I'm doing well with just "non prescription" alternatives.

As much as I'd like to hear from someone actually succeeding with inositol, the sure way to go would be Luvox (fluvoxamine). Speaking from experience here, 300mg cured my OCD like magic.

But if you do try inositol, make sure you buy in bulk. 18 mg/day for a few months is a lot of powder.

Inositol in bulk is cheap, around $25 for 1 kilogram (1000 grams). Now that people started talking about Inositol, my supplier jacked up the price to $40! Why?

Is Luvox prescription? Is it sold in bulk powders? I like the word "cured" so that way I won't have to be stuck on Luvox forever.

Luvox is prescription (or should be, as far as I understand US laws). You can buy it online at United Pharmacies, though. It's a lot more expensive than inositol.

And as far as I'm concerned, there is no absolute cure for OCD, it will always come back at some point in the future. (Unless we are talking brain surgery or something crazy like that)

However, this comeback should hopefully take years, and luvox is supposed to take care of it again, so no worries.

[eon]

I will look into the book. I come from a family of doctors and nurses yet no one could help me. LOL. They're not psychiatrists though. Even my old psychiatrist years back wasn't really there to help me on an individual basis. It's all a big business and they want to see several patients go in and out so they can get that fat paycheck. Self help books are great but it's not magic. I think something chemical should be taken in to fix whatever it is that is going on in the brain of an OCD sufferer.

What is CBT?

CBT is Cognitive behavioral therapy.
http://en.wikipedia....avioral_therapy

There are different CBT approaches for different mental disorders. You can go to a professional for CBT treatment for OCD, or if you want can first try self-help with the book Brain Lock which was written specifically for people with OCD.:
http://www.amazon.co...r/dp/0060987111

Wouldn't "mindfulness" be an OCD symptom? Wouldn't "mindlessness" be more anti-OCD behavior?

No. OCD is unwanted obsession and compulsions, and has nothing to do with mindfulness. Mindfulness promotes attentive awareness of reality and calmness. More psychological treatments are now making use of mindfulness techniques
http://en.wikipedia....iki/Mindfulness
http://en.wikipedia....ess_(psychology)

While mindfulness meditation has its origin in Buddhism, you don’t actually need to believe in Buddhism. You just have to follow the techniques and many people from different walks of life use mindfulness meditation. Remember that different types of meditations are not the same and from what I have read so far only mindfulness/insight meditation has been seen as beneficial in help treating OCD and anxiety.

Edited by eon, 14 September 2013 - 07:11 AM.

[firespin]

Self help books are great but it's not magic. I think something chemical should be taken in to fix whatever it is that is going on in the brain of an OCD sufferer.

The author Dr. Jeffery M.Schwartz, M.D does say medication can help fight OCD. He never wrote anything against medication. Some of Dr. Schwartz’s patients use medication and some don't. (As a doctor he is talking about prescriptions.) OCD is a complex disorder and different people will have different levels of severity. I will say though that medication is like training wheels on a bike for a new rider. Proper medication makes it easier for you to deal with the OCD while you are on it, but it does not teach how to handle your OCD. IMO the best way to fight OCD is a combination of things that work

Helps fight OCD:
1. CBT (Professional or self-help done correctly)
2. Proper medication (Prescriptions by doctors or psychiatrists who understand OCD)
3. Inositol (Shown positive result during studies, also many OCD forum members gives positive reviews)
4. Mindfulness/Insight meditation (reduce overall anxiety and fear, increase focus and attentiveness)

Worsens your OCD:
1. Alcohol
2. Cigarettes
3. Illegal street drugs

I should start to add links to my posts, but information and the research for everything I posted in this thread can be found in Google.

Edited by firespin, 14 September 2013 - 09:45 AM.

[eon]

I've been experimenting with different dosage of inositol. My first try of it was 500 mg in the morning and 500 mg at night (1 gram daily total). The 2nd day I stepped it up to 1 gram in the morning and 1 gram at night. Not sure I feel anything noticeable. I usually split my doses in 2 (morning and night) since I don't want to be carrying pills or powders in my pocket while I'm at work. It's just easier to remember to take it first thing I wake up (morning) and first thing I come home (night) I'll step up my dosage soon. I'm thinking of splitting 18 grams daily into 2 (9 grams morning and 9 grams at night). Has anyone here tried it this way? Inositol taste great so I have no problem eating this all the time. LOL.

Edited by eon, 15 September 2013 - 10:35 AM.

[Heh]

You need to get your dosage way up. After about 6g you may temporarily have gastrointestinal problems and/or loose stools, so you could split the 18g into 3 dosages. From what I've read inositol takes about 6 weeks to work, but hopefully you get relief sooner. Also, you should have 5-HTP ready, especially if Inositol starts giving you carb cravings (serotonin running low). 5-HTP also helps with OCD, I believe.

[nupi]

Luvox belong in the class of drug called SRI. I have tried something similar several years ago, Zoloft, which I think is an SSRI. It's for treatment of OCD, amongst other things as well. I wasn't too crazy for it. Not sure what the difference is, if any, between an SRI or an SSRI. I haven't been on any prescription medication for over 5 years. My OCD has lessened throughout the years. I think I'm doing well with just "non prescription" alternatives.

Whether Luvox is an SSRI or an SRI is subject to debate (possibly it is more correct to say its an SRI because it also has sigma1 activity but them again, Prozac is considered to be an SSRI and is not all that selective either). Ultimately, anything that has SRI properties is an SRI, the SSRIs are just more selective in that (which can be a good or bad, depending on the patient).

[eon]

Let me get back to metal toxicity as one of the causes of serotonin deficiency. Regarding the use of deodorants which has metal as its ingredient. I just checked mines and its active ingredient is: aluminum zirconium tetrachlorohydrex GLY (18.2%). Its purpose: antiperspirant. There's a few warning on the back of this deodorant which is an AXE deodorant, stating: "ask a doctor before use if you have kidney disease". Weird warning considering it's just "a deodorant". Looks like I need to look for another deodorant that doesn't have metals as its main active ingredient.

Remember I mentioned me being a bodybuilder. I remember when I was doing a lot of bench press that I would have stretch marks all over my chest and under arms/armpits and perhaps the deodorant has somehow gotten into these stretchmarks which can be considered "broken skin". Deodorants have warnings that state "do not use on broken skin".

Edited by eon, 18 September 2013 - 08:47 AM.

[Heh]

Let me get back to metal toxicity as one of the causes of serotonin deficiency. Regarding the use of deodorants which has metal as its ingredient. I just checked mines and its active ingredient is: aluminum zirconium tetrachlorohydrex GLY (18.2%). Its purpose: antiperspirant. There's a few warning on the back of this deodorant which is an AXE deodorant, stating: "ask a doctor before use if you have kidney disease". Weird warning considering it's just "a deodorant". Looks like I need to look for another deodorant that doesn't have metals as its main active ingredient.

Remember I mentioned me being a bodybuilder. I remember when I was doing a lot of bench press that I would have stretch marks all over my chest and under arms/armpits and perhaps the deodorant has somehow gotten into these stretchmarks which can be considered "broken skin". Deodorants have warnings that state "do not use on broken skin".

Use the old spice deodorant that isn't also an anti-perspirant. I read the list of ingredients on mine, and there was no aluminum to be seen.

http://www.amazon.co...t/dp/B00BL18J8W

[eon]

oh I see. so get a deodorant with no antiperspirant. Other things that have aluminum in them are antacids and baking powders. I don't use antacids but when I found out baking powder has aluminum on some of them I'm thinking that everything we eat that involves bread (pizzas, sandwiches, etc) could have aluminum in them since they have baking powder in them for the most part.

My bathing antibacterial soap has titanium dioxide as its ingredient. Not sure if it's something to worry about since soap gets washed off with water.

Two of my teeth has metal fillings in them. I'm not sure what type of metal is usually used to put metal filling on teeth. I read it's mercury. I'm looking for info. on how to get this removed and replaced with a safer alternative if it's even available. The reason why I had metal fillings on my teeth was because my teeth had some rotten spots so the rot had to be removed and then replaced with a metal filling. It looks silver. I think I remembered the dentist calling it silver metal filling. I think I've had it done right BEFORE my symptoms of depression/OCD started showing so I am now thinking that this metal filling on my teeth had something to do with my disorder.

Let me get back to metal toxicity as one of the causes of serotonin deficiency. Regarding the use of deodorants which has metal as its ingredient. I just checked mines and its active ingredient is: aluminum zirconium tetrachlorohydrex GLY (18.2%). Its purpose: antiperspirant. There's a few warning on the back of this deodorant which is an AXE deodorant, stating: "ask a doctor before use if you have kidney disease". Weird warning considering it's just "a deodorant". Looks like I need to look for another deodorant that doesn't have metals as its main active ingredient.

Remember I mentioned me being a bodybuilder. I remember when I was doing a lot of bench press that I would have stretch marks all over my chest and under arms/armpits and perhaps the deodorant has somehow gotten into these stretchmarks which can be considered "broken skin". Deodorants have warnings that state "do not use on broken skin".

Use the old spice deodorant that isn't also an anti-perspirant. I read the list of ingredients on mine, and there was no aluminum to be seen.

http://www.amazon.co...t/dp/B00BL18J8W

[CLR]

I'm glad I stumbled upon this thread. After some advice from Joel a while back, I began taking inositol at 18g per day. Initially, there was some gastrointestinal upset and gas, but it went away after a week. I have been splitting my doses in two (9 in the morning and at night), and I am going to continue this for a few weeks. After two weeks, I have noticed some mild improvements which have been incredibly uplifting. I also supplement about 500 mg of CDP-choline per day although I am not sure if this is enough.

I am considering adding 5-HTP after a few weeks, but I read that it can interact with many different supplements and drugs in a negative way. I take modafinil/dextroamphetamine regularly, as well as NALT, ALCAR, theanine, fish oil, multivitamin w/ ALA, magnesium citrate, vitamin C, melatonin, and the occasional noopept/aniracetam when I do not use stimulants.

[penisbreath]

what's the cheapest source you guys have found for bulk inositol? a cursory search on iherb points at Jarrow's, though @ 18g per day that still works out to about $50+ a month.

[eon]

The cheapest I could find was here: http://healthsupplementwholesalers.com

They ship free for orders over $25. There is a 10% off coupon code out there floating around so look around for that online.

1KG of Inositol was about $26 when I bought it. Now the price jumped to close to double. I guess there was demand for it. The price seem to fluctuate I noticed. 18 grams a day should last close to two months if you have 1KG of powders. I only take 12 grams a day (I read this is the dosage for depression issues), for OCD issues it would be about 18g a day. My OCD is not as bad as in the past so I am ok at 12g a day for now. My depression isn't as bad either but Inositol taste so good I could take more of this.

what's the cheapest source you guys have found for bulk inositol? a cursory search on iherb points at Jarrow's, though @ 18g per day that still works out to about $50+ a month.

Edited by eon, 03 October 2013 - 06:28 AM.