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[Kevnzworld]

Lumbrokinase, Nattokinase or Serrapeptase all have a positive effect on reducing arterial plaque.

Enzymes like the above can thin blood and reduce fibrinogen levels, but they won't reduce calcified arterial plaque.
There is some thin evidence that pomegranate extract with Glisodin can reverse some signs of atherosclerosis.
http://www.lef.org/m...clerosis_01.htm

[APBT]

LEF's protocol for Atherosclerosis and Cardiovascular Disease http://www.lef.org/p...clerosis_01.htm

LEF's protocol for Cholesterol Management
http://www.lef.org/p..._management_01.htm

[mikey]

Lumbrokinase, Nattokinase or Serrapeptase all have a positive effect on reducing arterial plaque.

I've been taking nattopeptase and serrapeptase for years and noticed no cardiovascular benefits - no change in blood pressure and plaque showed up in the first CAT scan I'd done in 14 years. I am still taking them, thinking that might have some minor effect.

And I might quit taking them, since the major effects have happened with vitamin K2 (MK4) and I think that there has been some benefit drinking a beverage made with 5 grams of arginine and 1 g of citruline, which I drink inconsistently.

The only time I've experienced what appear to be profound changes in my cardiovascular system, via significantly lowered systolic and diastolic blood pressure has been in the two weeks that I've been taking vitamin K2 (MK4).

Last night, when blood pressure tends to rise, it measured 122/74, which was amazing, so I'd been out socializing and would have expected it to be considerably higher.9-22-13

[mikey]

LEF's protocol for Atherosclerosis and Cardiovascular Disease http://www.lef.org/p...clerosis_01.htm

LEF's protocol for Cholesterol Management
http://www.lef.org/p..._management_01.htm

I've read those articles and have taken virtually everything they mention for a long time, as well as not fitting the full profile of one with plaque.
ie. My hs-CRP is typically 0.7. HDL2 = 62, LDL - Pattern A large bouyant, LP(a) -13, which is just a tip over the recommended 10, but I think I found a way to lower it.

The one thing they don't dig into is vitamin K2 (MK4) in those articles.

And from what appears to be happening to me it is the missing link.

Without optimal (MK4) matrix GLA protein (MGP) doesn't shepherd calcium out of soft tissues and into bones and teeth - reversing arterial plaque.

[mikey]

The labels suggest two caps a day. But it is not toxic, so why not take more?

Generally, when labels say take two a day, the manufacturer is being prudent. When something is beneficial and non-toxic, why not take more?

I started with three capsules every morning and in five months my hair was thicker, according to friends and the mirror.

I upped it to four a day and in 18 months my hair was two shades darker.

It's a non-toxic group of antioxidants, so it's very safe.

Here's my hypothesis of how it thickens and darkens hair.

If you want to read it, the hypothesis starts on the lower right hand corner.
http://www.michaelmooney.net/hair.html

Looking at your photos, just as an observer, your hair is actually grayer in your newer photo. This can be seen along the hairline where in your early photo the hair is almost black underneath along the hair border temple corners, near the temporal recession, of your forehead -- and darker on the top of your head. In the newer photo, it's considerably more gray overall. Also, your eyebrows are grayer in the new photo.

You look better than most 60 year olds, but I don't think there's any visual proof here that tocotrienols are making your hair darker at all.

http://www.longecity...09_36_59365.jpg

http://www.longecity...9_36_971711.jpg


Your overall skin tone and rosacea on your face are considerably improved however. This discoloration along your lower chin though seems to possibly indicate past chemical peels, photo rejuvenation, or dermabrasion therapy.

What do you attribute your better skin tone to?

Well, whether they have made it darker since April 2011 is one thing. When I gave a lecture in Albuquerque last summer, someone who lived in LA was there who knew me, and during the Q&A section at the end, hair came up and I told what I had learned about tocotrienols. He raised his hand and said emphatically that my hair was definitely darker and thicker. And this was before I started C60.

Now if there is progression of loss of color is another thing - I see the sides as not being as white in the July, 2013 photo - but from the start of taking tocotorienols to five months later when my friends noticed that my hair was thicker and 18 months after starting tocotrienols it became two shades darker are matters of not just me seeing it, but several friends saying it, and when it thickened there were friends who I hadn't seen in a while who blurted out when they first say me, "Your hair is thicker. What are you doing? You look younger again." This from a 26 year old artist friend. (I was hanging with a gang of younger guys teaching boxing and every few months I'd get a remark about looking different - or younger - as I experimented with different anti-aging supplements.) Andt hey said these things without prompting.

The red discoloration on my chin and nasoolabial fold are just from sloppy shaving, as I normally wear a beard, but wanted to try to match the photos as best I could and I am just not in practice shaving.

I fully attribute the improvement in skin tone and that my wrinkles have less depth to 7 mg of C60 in olive oil every morning since early August 2012.

Turnbuckle brought it up - that he saw that scars had faded. I've had numerous friends that I hadn't seen in a few months note that my skin looked great. The word younger was used a half dozen time. "Your skin has a glow."

C60 doesn't address cardiovascular issue, but it definitely seems to improve collagen/elastin, grow hair, protect from cancer and a number of other things.

Turnbuckle tells of a palm-sized bald spot on his crown that has half way filled in.

[mikey]

The labels suggest two caps a day. But it is not toxic, so why not take more?

Generally, when labels say take two a day, the manufacturer is being prudent. When something is beneficial and non-toxic, why not take more?

I started with three capsules every morning and in five months my hair was thicker, according to friends and the mirror.

I upped it to four a day and in 18 months my hair was two shades darker.

It's a non-toxic group of antioxidants, so it's very safe.

Here's my hypothesis of how it thickens and darkens hair.

If you want to read it, the hypothesis starts on the lower right hand corner.
http://www.michaelmooney.net/hair.html

Looking at your photos, just as an observer, your hair is actually grayer in your newer photo. This can be seen along the hairline where in your early photo the hair is almost black underneath along the hair border temple corners, near the temporal recession, of your forehead -- and darker on the top of your head. In the newer photo, it's considerably more gray overall. Also, your eyebrows are grayer in the new photo.

You look better than most 60 year olds, but I don't think there's any visual proof here that tocotrienols are making your hair darker at all.

http://www.longecity...09_36_59365.jpg

http://www.longecity...9_36_971711.jpg


Your overall skin tone and rosacea on your face are considerably improved however. This discoloration along your lower chin though seems to possibly indicate past chemical peels, photo rejuvenation, or dermabrasion therapy.

What do you attribute your better skin tone to?

Just to be clear, the "before" photo in April, 2011 was after I had experienced thicker and darker hair from taking tocotrienols.

The purpose of the photos is to show the difference before and after taking C60 fullerene in olive oil. I started taking C60oo in early August, 2012. (If you don't know about C60oo (Olive oil) - check out the forum called "C60 experiments @ home.")

C60 definitely improves skin tone, reduces the depth of wrinkles and fades scars - according to several others besides myself.

Turnbuckle, for instance, is the person who made me aware that two very deep scars on my face had faded - after reading that he noticed scars fading I noticed that mine had faded.

And I haven't ever had chemical peels or dermabrasion and I don't get Botox.

Also, the photos are not touched up or photo-shopped.

[balance]

Looking at those photos I recognize you. Have you been featured in Life Extension Foundation Monthly Magazines?

[smithx]

I don't have any personal experience with it but it looks interesting http://www.nanobiote...ut-nanobiotech/

They claim these are "patented, non-prescription" products, but don't link to the patents or supply any other information I can find as to the ingredients.

Do you (or anyone else) have that information or links to the patents?

[zen]

I don't have any personal experience with it but it looks interesting http://www.nanobiote...ut-nanobiotech/

They claim these are "patented, non-prescription" products, but don't link to the patents or supply any other information I can find as to the ingredients.

Do you (or anyone else) have that information or links to the patents?

As I have mentioned, I don't know much about NonobacTX, I don't even remember where I found the information in the first place, but somehow it looked interesting so I added it to the list of things worth keeping for possible future use.

If you are interested in digging in to find more information this might be a good starting point:
http://nanobiotech.s...com/chronology/

HTH

[blood]

At 60 years of age now, a coronary artery scan showed more plaque than I would have thought. A carotid scan also showed some plaque, but relatively less.

Reading your web page, I see that you have supplemented with iron and also possibly copper (in the multi vitamin/ mineral products you make) for many years.

I wonder if this supplementation practice has inadvertently set the stage for endothelial injury & plaque build up?

Edited by blood, 24 September 2013 - 06:02 AM.

[mikey]

Looking at those photos I recognize you. Have you been featured in Life Extension Foundation Monthly Magazines?

Not that magazine, but I have written columns in other magazines and had articles published for over twenty years, so that may be where you've seen me.

[mikey]

At 60 years of age now, a coronary artery scan showed more plaque than I would have thought. A carotid scan also showed some plaque, but relatively less.

Reading your web page, I see that you have supplemented with iron and also possibly copper (in the multi vitamin/ mineral products you make) for many years.

I wonder if this supplementation practice has inadvertently set the stage for endothelial injury & plaque build up?

Neither iron or copper have ever been shown to be in the high range in my blood or urine tests - and I do comprehensive tests several times each year.

No, I think that there's good reason to believe that what plaque I have was caused by a lack of vitamin K2, either MK7 and/or MK4.

I also see that as a potential cause of much of the cardiovascular disease in the USA.

If you read the work of Weston Price, he clearly documents how K2 deficiency has become the norm in the USA, along with cardiovascular disease.

In fact, for several years I was on the border of ferritin (stored iron) being too low, which lead me to discover iron's role in having a healthy head of hair.

I was losing hair and the most insightful hair specialist that I spoke with told me that ferritin below 40 ng/ml will result in hair loss. My ferritin typically measured 27, where 20 is the bottom of normal.

He further said that ferritin is best at around 70 ng/ml for optimal hair health.

I took extra iron and raised my ferritin and over a period of about six months my hair thickened.

[mikey]

A question - has anyone else here had a coronary artery scan or a carotid artery scan?

[niner]

A question - has anyone else here had a coronary artery scan or a carotid artery scan?

I had a heart scan last year, and had a calcium score of zero, which I was very relieved to see, given the dyslipidemia (high lp(a)) that I had then recently discovered. I quit using a multi about three or four years ago, but took one (with more copper than I'd want today) for about 20 years. I've been using vitamin K for a while, probably about 5 years. My diet is "paleo-ish", moderate carb. I also had a carotid artery scan, and I do have some mild disease there. I've heard a cardiologist say that lp(a) "skews to the head", so that's consistent with my results.

[Kevnzworld]

A question - has anyone else here had a coronary artery scan or a carotid artery scan?

I recently had a carotid artery scan, which came up negative for thickening or plaque.
I'm 57 and my recent blood test showed.
Lpa 9
Total Chol 172
CRP .15. The lowest I've ever scored
Homocysteine 7.5
Insulin 3
HbA1C. 5.0. ( the lowest I've ever tested )

I take LEF 's super booster with K. 2000 mg a day of buffered ascorbate ( C ), pomegranate extract, 10 mg simvistatin, 300 mg ubiquinol, 500 mg no flush niacin.
2000 mg fish oil, and tocotrienols

[robosapiens]

http://www.life-enha...-pon-1-gene-expression-to-protect-against-cardiovascular-disea

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Edited by niner, 24 September 2013 - 11:19 PM.

[zorba990]

A question - has anyone else here had a coronary artery scan or a carotid artery scan?

Is such a thing even wise to do if you are asymptomatic?

http://www.lef.org/m...AT-Scans_01.htm

[niner]

A question - has anyone else here had a coronary artery scan or a carotid artery scan?

Is such a thing even wise to do if you are asymptomatic?

http://www.lef.org/m...AT-Scans_01.htm

That's a good question. On the one hand, by the time you are symptomatic, it's too late. On the other hand, some CAT scanners give you an excessive dose of x-radiation. There are newer machines that are significantly less harmful, so seeking out one of those would help. I wouldn't get a heart scan if I was a healthy 20 year old, but in my case, I had a reason to be concerned, and wanted to know where I stood, since it would affect how aggressively I would treat things. I won't be getting another scan for a long time, and when I do, I'll try to find a low-dose machine.

[Kevnzworld]

A question - has anyone else here had a coronary artery scan or a carotid artery scan?

Is such a thing even wise to do if you are asymptomatic?

http://www.lef.org/m...AT-Scans_01.htm

A carotid artery scan uses Doppler ultrasound. No radiation.

[smithx]

If you want to get a calcium score with the lowest possible radiation dose, you need to find a place with an electron beam tomography machine.

file::
The results are as accurate as a standard CT scanner, according to this study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19346841

The American Heart Association does not recommend that most people get these scans, however. In their consensus document they conclude that it is only appropriate in patients with an "intermediate CHD risk (between 10% and 20% 10-year risk of estimated coronary events".

In lower-risk patients it's not indicated at all, and higher-risk patients should already be getting aggressive care.

In fact, the only reason they consider it at all is so that supposedly lower-risk patients can be reclassified as higher-risk, if calcium build-up is found.

Unfortunately, electron beam tomography devices are no longer manufactured, so you have to look around to find someone who is still using them. They are arguably far superior to the CT scanners currently being produced, but were more expensive to manufacture, The major producer was purchased by GE and the line was discontinued.

A question - has anyone else here had a coronary artery scan or a carotid artery scan?

Is such a thing even wise to do if you are asymptomatic?

http://www.lef.org/m...AT-Scans_01.htm

That's a good question. On the one hand, by the time you are symptomatic, it's too late. On the other hand, some CAT scanners give you an excessive dose of x-radiation. There are newer machines that are significantly less harmful, so seeking out one of those would help. I wouldn't get a heart scan if I was a healthy 20 year old, but in my case, I had a reason to be concerned, and wanted to know where I stood, since it would affect how aggressively I would treat things. I won't be getting another scan for a long time, and when I do, I'll try to find a low-dose machine.

Edited by smithx, 25 September 2013 - 04:19 AM.

[nameless]

A question - has anyone else here had a coronary artery scan or a carotid artery scan?

Is such a thing even wise to do if you are asymptomatic?

http://www.lef.org/m...AT-Scans_01.htm

The carotid scan is the same as a ultrasound, as stated above, so it's perfectly safe to get.

And I had a carotid scan about 4-5 years ago, and it came back fine, no plaque or anything odd. Strangely the girl doing the test kept commenting on my beautiful arteries and veins (or whatever she was scanning)... I wasn't sure if she was hitting on me, or just really into carotids for some bizarre reason.

I never had a coronary artery scan, but had a coronary angiogram about 10 years ago that showed no blockages. Nobody wants to get this test purely for preventative reasons, unless they are insane.

If relatively healthy, youngish or with few risk factors, I'd think a carotid scan every few years should be fine. My cardiologist likes me to get an echo-stress test every few years too. It's another test with no radiation.

Edited by nameless, 25 September 2013 - 04:44 AM.

[mikey]

A question - has anyone else here had a coronary artery scan or a carotid artery scan?

Is such a thing even wise to do if you are asymptomatic?

http://www.lef.org/m...AT-Scans_01.htm

That's a good question. On the one hand, by the time you are symptomatic, it's too late. On the other hand, some CAT scanners give you an excessive dose of x-radiation. There are newer machines that are significantly less harmful, so seeking out one of those would help. I wouldn't get a heart scan if I was a healthy 20 year old, but in my case, I had a reason to be concerned, and wanted to know where I stood, since it would affect how aggressively I would treat things. I won't be getting another scan for a long time, and when I do, I'll try to find a low-dose machine.

There was a study that came out at around the time the reactors blew in Japan that basically showed that high doses of the antioxidants vitamin C and glutathione caused a significant reduction in the oxidative (destructive) reaction that happens when one is x-rayed.

http://www.journals....0295-8/fulltext

Therefore, whenever I have to have some kind of x-ray, such as dental or a coronary artery scan, I take 3,000 mg of vitamin C and 1,800 mg of N-acetyl-cysteine, which converts in the body into glutathione, about 90 minutes before the scan.

[mikey]

A question - has anyone else here had a coronary artery scan or a carotid artery scan?

I recently had a carotid artery scan, which came up negative for thickening or plaque.
I'm 57 and my recent blood test showed.
Lpa 9
Total Chol 172
CRP .15. The lowest I've ever scored
Homocysteine 7.5
Insulin 3
HbA1C. 5.0. ( the lowest I've ever tested )

I take LEF 's super booster with K. 2000 mg a day of buffered ascorbate ( C ), pomegranate extract, 10 mg simvistatin, 300 mg ubiquinol, 500 mg no flush niacin.
2000 mg fish oil, and tocotrienols

Your details are interesting and sound very good, but the reason I started this quest was specifically because my cardiologist wanted me to start taking statins, like simvistatin.

I told him that I will never take statins because, as Turnbuckle succinctly noted, they cause permanent damage to mitochondria.

To me, the price is too much for what they deliver - there must be a better way.

Thus, I found that high dose vitamin K2 (MK4) reversed arterial plaque, and after taking it for three weeks I've seen a considerable decrease in my blood pressure.

My GP is a brilliant rheumatologist and he will do another carotid ultrasound in about four months to see if there is indeed a reversal of plaque, which it seems is likely, since my blood pressure is dropping quickly with MK4 usage.

My goal is to reverse plaque without using drugs that may work for some things but also cause permanent damage.

[Kevnzworld]

A question - has anyone else here had a coronary artery scan or a carotid artery scan?

I recently had a carotid artery scan, which came up negative for thickening or plaque.
I'm 57 and my recent blood test showed.
Lpa 9
Total Chol 172
CRP .15. The lowest I've ever scored
Homocysteine 7.5
Insulin 3
HbA1C. 5.0. ( the lowest I've ever tested )

I take LEF 's super booster with K. 2000 mg a day of buffered ascorbate ( C ), pomegranate extract, 10 mg simvistatin, 300 mg ubiquinol, 500 mg no flush niacin.
2000 mg fish oil, and tocotrienols

Your details are interesting and sound very good, but the reason I started this quest was specifically because my cardiologist wanted me to start taking statins, like simvistatin.

I told him that I will never take statins because, as Turnbuckle succinctly noted, they cause permanent damage to mitochondria.

To me, the price is too much for what they deliver - there must be a better way.

I may be wrong, but the mechanism which statins may damage mitochondria is thru CoQ10 disruption. I tried many natural ways to reduce my cholesterol , and all were ineffective. I opted for a relatively low dose of a lower side effect statin. 10mg every other day.
I do take 300 mg of ubiquinol, PQQ and C60.

[mikey]

A question - has anyone else here had a coronary artery scan or a carotid artery scan?

I recently had a carotid artery scan, which came up negative for thickening or plaque.
I'm 57 and my recent blood test showed.
Lpa 9
Total Chol 172
CRP .15. The lowest I've ever scored
Homocysteine 7.5
Insulin 3
HbA1C. 5.0. ( the lowest I've ever tested )

I take LEF 's super booster with K. 2000 mg a day of buffered ascorbate ( C ), pomegranate extract, 10 mg simvistatin, 300 mg ubiquinol, 500 mg no flush niacin.
2000 mg fish oil, and tocotrienols

Your details are interesting and sound very good, but the reason I started this quest was specifically because my cardiologist wanted me to start taking statins, like simvistatin.

I told him that I will never take statins because, as Turnbuckle succinctly noted, they cause permanent damage to mitochondria.

To me, the price is too much for what they deliver - there must be a better way.

I may be wrong, but the mechanism which statins may damage mitochondria is thru CoQ10 disruption. I tried many natural ways to reduce my cholesterol , and all were ineffective. I opted for a relatively low dose of a lower side effect statin. 10mg every other day.
I do take 300 mg of ubiquinol, PQQ and C60.

I don't know that CoQ10 supplementation stops the mitochondrial damage.
Perhaps someone else has data.

How high was your cholesterol?

[Kevnzworld]

My cholesterol was 207. My LDLC WAS 135. Apo-B 107
I had exhausted all of the natural solutions that I knew of. I was on vitamin K, ie Super Booster...soluble fiber
Niacin as well as a good diet and exercise. I don't eat red meat.
There are natural health advocates that will recommend small dose statin use at times. William Falloon , head of LEF comes to mind. A small 10 mg dose every other day has improved my numbers without any noticeable side effects.
It seems to me that many of the reported side effects of higher dose statin use ( some as high as 70 mg daily ) mimic what one would expect from CoQ10 depletion. Muscle fatigue , myopathy, CHF.
I also am on HRT, including testosterone and DHEA ..

[robosapiens]

Hi Kevnzworld

Have you tried Activated charcoal?
http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/2612535

[zorba990]

My cholesterol was 207. My LDLC WAS 135. Apo-B 107
I had exhausted all of the natural solutions that I knew of. I was on vitamin K, ie Super Booster...soluble fiber
Niacin as well as a good diet and exercise. I don't eat red meat.
There are natural health advocates that will recommend small dose statin use at times. William Falloon , head of LEF comes to mind. A small 10 mg dose every other day has improved my numbers without any noticeable side effects.
It seems to me that many of the reported side effects of higher dose statin use ( some as high as 70 mg daily ) mimic what one would expect from CoQ10 depletion. Muscle fatigue , myopathy, CHF.
I also am on HRT, including testosterone and DHEA ..

Statins for Cholesterol of 207 seems ludicrous to me, but maybe I'm still ignorant of the risk to benefit ratio. I have little trust for most of conventional medicine. Is there any evidence that statins remove arterial calcium? I think high dose vitamin C, lysine, proline, and k2 makes much more sense as a preventative if the rest of your diet and lifestyle is in order.

http://www.lewrockwe...sterol-scandal/

Modern medicine has never been able to explain why some 45—60 percent of patients with hospital admissions for a heart attack have a "normal level" of cholesterol. [Atherosclerosis 149: 181—90, 2000; Medical Hypotheses 59: 751—56, 2002] If your cholesterol is low-to-normal you are still at great risk to have a mortal heart attack. But if your calcium artery Agatston score is zero, your risk for a mortal heart attack is almost zero. [Cleveland Clinic Journal Medicine 49: Supp 3 — S-6-11, 2002]

[Kevnzworld]

Statins for Cholesterol of 207 seems ludicrous to me, but maybe I'm still ignorant of the risk to benefit ratio. I have little trust for most of conventional medicine. Is there any evidence that statins remove arterial calcium? I think high dose vitamin C, lysine, proline, and k2 makes much more sense as a preventative if the rest of your diet and lifestyle is in order.

http://www.lewrockwe...sterol-scandal/

Modern medicine has never been able to explain why some 45—60 percent of patients with hospital admissions for a heart attack have a "normal level" of cholesterol. [Atherosclerosis 149: 181—90, 2000; Medical Hypotheses 59: 751—56, 2002] If your cholesterol is low-to-normal you are still at great risk to have a mortal heart attack. But if your calcium artery Agatston score is zero, your risk for a mortal heart attack is almost zero. [Cleveland Clinic Journal Medicine 49: Supp 3 — S-6-11, 2002]

I don't think there is any doubt that elevated cholesterol , especially VLDL is a risk factor for atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease. It clearly isn't the only risk factor as you and others have pointed out.
It's also important to lower/ normalize inflammation ( CRP), homocysteine , and glucose and insulin levels.
Many practitioners also believe that hormone levels, as in testosterone for men also play an important roll.
Lastly, diet exercise, BMI and antioxidant status are also important. Micky has pointed out the importance of vitamin K2 and MK4. I take higher doses of buffered ascorbate ( C ) and magnesium .

[mikey]

My cholesterol was 207. My LDLC WAS 135. Apo-B 107
I had exhausted all of the natural solutions that I knew of. I was on vitamin K, ie Super Booster...soluble fiber
Niacin as well as a good diet and exercise. I don't eat red meat.
There are natural health advocates that will recommend small dose statin use at times. William Falloon , head of LEF comes to mind. A small 10 mg dose every other day has improved my numbers without any noticeable side effects.
It seems to me that many of the reported side effects of higher dose statin use ( some as high as 70 mg daily ) mimic what one would expect from CoQ10 depletion. Muscle fatigue , myopathy, CHF.
I also am on HRT, including testosterone and DHEA ..

Sounds like you were being diligent.
LDL-C at 135 is not good.

Total cholesterol means little, as a study showed that senior women with the highest total cholesterol lived longest - but the drug companies have managed to make billions by making cardiologists think that statins are required when total cholesterol is 200. Nonsense!

A total cholesterol of 207 is not a reason to take statins, while some cardiologists would push that on a patient.

When you say vitamin K, please think in terms of vitamin K1 being a different nutrient than vitamin K2, either MK-7 or MK-4, which is the only K that has been shown to reverse arterial plaque in rats - but not humans yet.

K1 has no effect on arterial plaque and almost all multivitamins contain ONLY K1 and most of the time when vitamin K is mentioned people are referring to K1, which is useless for cardiovascular purposes.

The best reference work I've read on K's, "Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox," suggested that optimal dosing of vitamin K2 (MK-7) is 240 mcg/day, where MK-4 dosing should be 15 mg three times a day.

MK-7 has a half life of three days, where MK-4 has a half life of 6-8 hours, so one can take MK-7 once a day where MK-4 should be taken three times a day.

I don't know whether the truly lose dose of statin that you're taking causes much damage, but for me I don't want to ever take statins.

As I said, it sounds like you're been diligent AND prudent and found what works for you.

Certainly, your current numbers are excellent.

Edited by mikey, 27 September 2013 - 02:58 AM.