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[eon]

anyone here know of a vitamin that is for pancreas and if it does exist, could it prevent diabetes at all?

 

I read an article today about a possible diabetes cure coming from a new type of fat, "FAHFA” (short for fatty acid hydroxyl acids). Where can this be found or if it is available as dietary supplement?

 

http://www.huffingto...kusaolp00000592

Edited by eon, 14 October 2014 - 08:41 AM.

[blood]

what's a good combo to take with potassium citrate? it is said to be a diuretic but I take it for arrythmias. Works.

 

Do you take potassium citrate in powder form (perhaps dissolved in liquids)?

[eon]

Pill, 99mg, from NOW FOODS. I used to take Dr. Vita brands.

 

 

what's a good combo to take with potassium citrate? it is said to be a diuretic but I take it for arrythmias. Works.

 

Do you take potassium citrate in powder form (perhaps dissolved in liquids)?

 

 

[blood]

 

Pill, 99mg, from NOW FOODS. I used to take Dr. Vita brands.

 

 

 

I was actually a bit curious about how potassium citrate tastes. Could it be dissolved in e.g., fruit juice.

 

I buy potassium chloride (bulk powder) made by Now (purchased via iherb).

 

I add a teaspoon to approx. 2L of filtered water and then use it to make tea, coffee, etc.

[krillin]

 

 

Pill, 99mg, from NOW FOODS. I used to take Dr. Vita brands.

 

 

 

I was actually a bit curious about how potassium citrate tastes. Could it be dissolved in e.g., fruit juice.

 

I buy potassium chloride (bulk powder) made by Now (purchased via iherb).

 

I add a teaspoon to approx. 2L of filtered water and then use it to make tea, coffee, etc.

 

I cannot taste 1 ml of potassium citrate in a glass of water.

[eon]

I understand potassium is supposed to be tasteless like creatine.

[AstralStorm]

Potasium citrate is slightly weirdly sour (kinda like aspirin, but not quite), gluconate is tasteless, chloride is salty and bitter (can be a component of good table salt).

Ionic potassium itself tastes metallic and alkaline.

 

1 ml of potassium citrate is very little (one standard dose is >15 ml; 2x daily; if taking a solution), it's a bulky molecule (38.3% potassium by mass)  - that's why you couldn't detect a taste. It can easily be masked at low concentrations. Fruit juice will do an admirable job.

 

None of those has a smell.

Edited by AstralStorm, 16 October 2014 - 07:11 AM.

[krillin]

I take 3 x 1 ml to get an extra ~1 g K to boost my intake to the RDA. Why would someone want to take 15 ml?

[eon]

how did the riboflavin-5-phosphate become a $23 bottle supplement when a month ago they were only $10-$12 a bottle? The brand is from Thorne Research. They don't seem to have a competition for this type of B vitamin which is why the price is jacked up. Pureformulas sold it for $10 a few months ago, Amazon had it for $12 and now everyone sells them for $23!

[Deckah]

how did the riboflavin-5-phosphate become a $23 bottle supplement when a month ago they were only $10-$12 a bottle? The brand is from Thorne Research. They don't seem to have a competition for this type of B vitamin which is why the price is jacked up. Pureformulas sold it for $10 a few months ago, Amazon had it for $12 and now everyone sells them for $23!

 

http://www.swansonvi...-mg-60-veg-caps

They offer around 20% OFF on blackfridays and sometimes you can find coupons @ certain times for around the same % off.

[eon]

anyone here ever used cinnamon to get their blood sugar in check and does it work? I'm willing to try a bottle of the NuNaturals Cinnamon Liquid drops. Anyone here tried this brand or what brand worked for you?

 

 

[eon]

anyone here supplement with cinnamon? I bought the extract which only has 100mg per serving. I wonder if the capsule version which comes with 2000mg is actually better? Or is extract the better form even though the mg is less? I've seen cinnamon supplements sold as combo of chromium and cinnamon. My cinnamon is spp (bark). The capsule version is cassia (bark). Not sure what the difference of potency is between the two or if there is difference in type of cinnamon. I had no idea cinnamon comes in different breeds.

Edited by eon, 30 October 2014 - 06:22 AM.

[eon]

I'm looking into new probiotic supplement and found a product stating it has the most probiotic in it at 900 billion:

 

http://www.amazon.co...00L3JTHME?psc=1

 

Not sure if the entire bottle has 900 billion bacterias or per pill? Seems like misleading advertisement here. The most I had had 5 billion probiotic per pill with 15 types of bacterias. Does someone here know of a better probiotic? I hope to find something with more than 15 bacterias so here's one which has 21 strains:

 

http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/B0050FKPU0

 

Anyone know of a product with more than 21 strains? Also, does anyone here have knowledge of what each strains are good for exactly?

Edited by eon, 14 November 2014 - 10:05 AM.

[Darryl]

Current evidence is that bacteria in prebiotic supplements doesn't displace the current gut microbiota or readily take up residence. Once you stop taking any probiotic the fecal microbial and metabolite mix rapidly reverts to its original state, but probiotics may be useful to shorten diarrhea and gastrointestinal distress after courses of antibiotics.

 

The bacterial strains that appear to offer the greatest positive impact on gut health, like Akkermansia muciniphila and Faecalibacterium prausnitzii, are more difficult to culture and hence are at best minor constituents of prebiotic mixes.

 

The set of microbial strains in every persons gut is established soon after birth, but the relative proportions can vary dramatically within 24 hours, based primarily on diet.The evidence I've seen shows more promising outcomes from prebiotics that preferentially feed beneficial strains (inulin, transgalacto-oligosaccharides, and laculose), than from probiotics, and the easiest way to get these is to consume them in foods like whole grains and onions/leeks/garlic. Resistant starch and polyphenol intake also appear to favorably modulate the microbiota composition, towards more A. muciniphila, F.prausnitzii and Bifidobacteria spp. and fewer pathogenic Proteobacteria, and this may be one of the the major mechanisms for health benefits of plant-based diets.

 

If you must take a supplement rather than eat a healthy microbiota promoting diet, I'd recommend inulin (usually sourced from chicory root), as there's a lot of interesting research on it and metabolic endotoxemia, a remarkably fascinating subject. Eg:

 

Dehghan, P., Gargari, B. P., Jafar-Abadi, M. A., & Aliasgharzadeh, A. (2013). Inulin controls inflammation and metabolic endotoxemia in women with type 2 diabetes mellitus: a randomized-controlled clinical trial. International journal of food sciences and nutrition, 65(1), 117-123.

 

Inulin-supplemented patients exhibited a significant decrease in fasting blood sugar (8.5%), HbA1c (10.4%), fasting insulin (34.3%), homeostasis model assessment of insulin resistance (HOMA-IR) (39.5%), hs-CRP (35.6%), TNF-a (23.1%), and LPS (27.9%) compared with the maltodextrin group (p<0.05).

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Edited by Darryl, 14 November 2014 - 07:38 PM.

[eon]

thanks. I may be looking into inulin. I already eat banana flour along with my muesli. It's supposed to be a good source of resistant starch so are green plantains. Anyway, are you saying the bacterias on those probiotics aren't really as great as the ones in prebiotics or inulin or resistant starches? Is a prebiotic inulin? I'm a bit confused. Are prebiotics like probiotics in which they come in with several different bacterias listed or no? I've seen inulin being marketed as "prebiotic" so I am assuming inulin is a prebiotic.

 

Current evidence is that bacteria in prebiotic supplements doesn't displace the current gut microbiota or readily take up residence. Once you stop taking any probiotic the fecal microbial and metabolite mix rapidly reverts to its original state, but probiotics may be useful to shorten diarrhea and gastrointestinal distress after courses of antibiotics.

 

The bacterial strains that appear to offer the greatest positive impact on gut health, like Akkermansia muciniphila and Faecalibacterium prausnitzii, are more difficult to culture and hence are at best minor constituents of prebiotic mixes.

 

The set of microbial strains in every persons gut is established soon after birth, but the relative proportions can vary dramatically within 24 hours, based primarily on diet.The evidence I've seen shows more promising outcomes from prebiotics that preferentially feed beneficial strains (inulin, transgalacto-oligosaccharides, and laculose), than from probiotics, and the easiest way to get these is to consume them in foods like whole grains and onions/leeks/garlic. Resistant starch and polyphenol intake also appear to favorably modulate the microbiota composition, towards more A. muciniphila, F.prausnitzii and Bifidobacteria spp. and fewer pathogenic Proteobacteria, and this may be one of the the major mechanisms for health benefits of plant-based diets.

 

If you must take a supplement rather than eat a healthy microbiota promoting diet, I'd recommend inulin (usually sourced from chicory root), as there's a lot of interesting research on it and metabolic endotoxemia, a remarkably fascinating subject. Eg:

 

Dehghan, P., Gargari, B. P., Jafar-Abadi, M. A., & Aliasgharzadeh, A. (2013). Inulin controls inflammation and metabolic endotoxemia in women with type 2 diabetes mellitus: a randomized-controlled clinical trial. International journal of food sciences and nutrition, 65(1), 117-123.

 

Inulin-supplemented patients exhibited a significant decrease in fasting blood sugar (8.5%), HbA1c (10.4%), fasting insulin (34.3%), homeostasis model assessment of insulin resistance (HOMA-IR) (39.5%), hs-CRP (35.6%), TNF-a (23.1%), and LPS (27.9%) compared with the maltodextrin group (p<0.05).

.

 

Edited by eon, 18 November 2014 - 08:07 AM.

[eon]

does anyone here take spoons full of coconut oil? I only think of oil for cooking so I never really tried it by itself. According to the article below, a person suffering from Alzheimer's took 4 teaspoons of coconut oil and improved. It's supposed to be a good source of ketones, what are the other sources of ketones?

 

http://www.theepocht...ng-coconut-oil/

[Darryl]

are you saying the bacterias on those probiotics aren't really as great as the ones in prebiotics?

 

No, I'm saying there's little evidence supporting the daily supplementation of probiotics (dried, and hence stressed, bacterial cultures) in those without serious dysbiosis (like that arising from courses of antibiotics). The strains that are cultured for prebiotics, primarily Bifidobacteria and Lactobacteria, are used because they're easy to culture in vats, not because they're particularly significant in normal human microbiota, barrier integrity etc. Probiotic bacteria begin in a stressed and dormant state, and few are left and activated after passing through gastric acid and bile in the upper intestinal tract. It appears those that become active don't effectively compete with established bacteria in the gut lining, as little difference in fecal bacteria or metabolites is seen after any course of probiotic bacteria is ceased. They pass right through.

 

On the other hand, prebiotic foods selectively feed bacteria with already established colonies on the gut lining, encouraging them to continue their eternal chemical warfare against more pathogenic strains. Both dietary changes and prebiotic supplementation effect fairly immediate and beneficial changes in microbiota. This may account for many of the health benefits of diets rich in fermentable oligosaccharides, digestion resistant starches, and polyphenols, found primarily in whole grains, Allium vegetables, retrograded high-amalose starches, and leafy greens/berries/cocoa/spices.

 

The intestinal microbiota appear to play a role in many chronic inflammatory diseases (insulin resistance, obesity, non-alcoholic fatty liver, diabetes, atherosclerosis, cancer, neurodegenerative diseases, arthritis, nephritis), and the greater modern incidence of these may be due to both lower intake of natural prebiotics, and higher intake of fats and fructose/added sugars.

Edited by Darryl, 18 November 2014 - 05:58 PM.

[eon]

Am I good with just banana flour (resistant starch source) or supplementing with inulin is still the prebiotic source? prebiotic isn't resistant starch right? I'm looking at the Jarrow Formula Inulin:

 

http://www.amazon.co...keywords=inulin

 

I don't see it states anywhere that it is made from chicory. Could it be made from other sources? Other inulin products states it is from chicory.

 

I have supplemented with hydrochloric acid before and it did made me feel better. It's because it helped with digesting food and its nutrients. Curious if the inulin would function the same or it's a completely different supplement. I'm still looking into buying another hydrochloric acid supplement.

Edited by eon, 19 November 2014 - 12:40 PM.

[Skyguy2005]

I've recently moved to an area that has very high magnesium levels in the water. After getting muscle cramps, my symptoms have been greatly relieved by calcium citrate supplementation.

 

Apparently the ratios of magnesium here are so high that some people have had their hair and eyebrows start falling out!
 

[eon]

how does one measure the levels of such in a town? 

 

I've recently moved to an area that has very high magnesium levels in the water. After getting muscle cramps, my symptoms have been greatly relieved by calcium citrate supplementation.

 

Apparently the ratios of magnesium here are so high that some people have had their hair and eyebrows start falling out!
 

 

[eon]

Does anyone here know if the active form of thiamin (vitamin B1) is even available for sale? I'm not talking about benfotiamine. There is one called thiamin pyrophosphate (TPP). The ones on multi vitamins are usually thiamin HCL. I'm trying to experiement with taking all 8 of the b vitamins in its active form, if they are available. Today, I tried all 6: benfotiamin, methylfolate, methylcobalamin, biotin, pantothenic acid, and P5P. I had niacin but not sure if I should add it there since this was my first time taking all 6. Had I added niacin not sure what the effect would be like. I was missing riboflavin (5 phosphate). I'll try to get some at Swanson since they have them cheapest. I think I preferred pantothenic acid than its so called active form pantethine, seems like that was a completely different vitamin considering it is a fat soluble, when b vitamins are known water solubles. Also, benfotiamine is said to be fat soluble so I think I was taking it all wrong thinking it was water soluble.

Edited by eon, 23 November 2014 - 07:55 AM.

[Gerrans]

 

how does one measure the levels of such in a town? 

 

I've recently moved to an area that has very high magnesium levels in the water. After getting muscle cramps, my symptoms have been greatly relieved by calcium citrate supplementation.

 

Apparently the ratios of magnesium here are so high that some people have had their hair and eyebrows start falling out!
 

 

 

You have to stand on street corners measuring people's eyebrows with a ruler.
 

[eon]

had no idea magnesium make people's hair fall out!

 

 

 

how does one measure the levels of such in a town? 

 

I've recently moved to an area that has very high magnesium levels in the water. After getting muscle cramps, my symptoms have been greatly relieved by calcium citrate supplementation.

 

Apparently the ratios of magnesium here are so high that some people have had their hair and eyebrows start falling out!
 

 

 

You have to stand on street corners measuring people's eyebrows with a ruler.
 

 

 

[eon]

what is a natural product to control salt intake in the body? considering cinnamon controls sugars? I don't use salts at home but the food I eat outside do have salts also the nuts I bought generally are roasted and unsalted but I happen to grabbed by mistake the ones with salt on. Yuck! Just looking for a way to drive or control the salts out off my body if that is possible.

[eon]

has anyone here ever tried the rare B6 called pyridoxamine? Is that supposed to be better than P5P (pyridoxal-5-phosphate)?

 

Also, why is there not much love for the "most potent niacin" (B3) called xanthinol nicotinate? Seems nicotinamide riboside is the hype these days. I believe it's because this is prescription in Europe compared to OTC niacin (nicotinic acid, nicotininamide riboside, etc.)

Edited by eon, 02 January 2015 - 12:38 PM.

[eon]

How did I forgot to ask about supplementing with amino acids? I see them sold as multi amino acid supplements, does anyone here take them? Considering there are 9 essential amino acids not produced by the body (in other words it needs to be supplemented).

[eon]

I'd have to bump this old thread since I have more to add. Here it is: I've been prescribed Vyvanse (amphetamine). For whatever reason, zinc boosts its effect to better results as opposed to no zinc use. I've tried a day with zinc and a day without zinc, the difference is HUGE. I will look more into this as to why other than the assumption zinc has something to do with dopamine. So in that case any of the vitamins and minerals that boost dopamine can make Vyvanse better?  Now the question is, if anyone knows what these vitamins and minerals are? Zinc is already known. I read in a book that the vitamin B pyridoxine should not be taken with a drug called L-dopa (unless otherwise the physician says it's OK), since it's a dopamine booster, so I'm assuming an amphetamine falls under that category of a dopamine booster as well and since pyridoxine produces dopamine (and other neurotransmitters), does that mean I should avoid the pyridoxine, P-5-P, etc. while on Vyvanse or is it actually a good idea to get a good boost of dopamine while I stay on low dose amphetamine rather than higher dosage?

 

I'm curious about supplemental iron now. Some people on this thread mentioned to avoid it. I noticed at Walmart the iron vitamin is almost gone so I'm assuming people use them like that (they may have a need for it). Iron is marketed as for "general wellness" and for red blood cell formation. Isn't vitamin B12 just as good for red blood cell formation or I have it mistaken?