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[Layberinthius]

Can we get a pooling of multiple drugs which can significantly improve my sex drive?

I'm male and from Aus so everything needs to be OTC or an import off eBay.

The reason being is that I would lke to use this as a method of approach in studying, not necesserially as a means of getting off more often.

I think that the key to intelligence growth in teenagers is the drive, the urge, the willingness to orgasm, to masturbate and I believe that as a means of improving intelligence it is a valid one as an adult.

I'm already taking Noopept and a multivitamin I'm considering also raising my levels of testosterone, but what other options are there? what else can I be taking?

I would like to take these drugs, and then abstain from masturbation, or get my hormones to such a high level that even masturbating 3 times a day is not enough to get rid of them. That I think is the key to intelligence.

All of the hormones and endorphins which are released during orgasm I believe are the key to being able to study more, if I can get my brain to release those endorphins as often as possible then I believe I will become better at studying.

So far I know of the following which can improve sex drive:
Horny Goat Weed
Noopept
Caffeine

Edited by Layberinthius, 10 November 2013 - 12:06 AM.

[paradoxo]

This can slightly raise testosterone levels: aerobic and anaerobic training, >8 hours of sleep, high fat diet, ZMA (zinc, magnesium and vitamin A), tribulus and broccoli.

Anabolic steroids and anti aromatase drugs are very effective but are illegal and dangerous.

[Layberinthius]

Thanks for the suggestion, My multivitamin already has Vit A, Zinc & Magnesium in it in the following quantities:

Vitamin A (Retinyl acetate 860ug) = 2500IU (750 ug Retinol equivalents)
Magnesium Phosphate (Magnesium 10mg) = 48.4mg
Zinc Sulphate monohydrate (Zinc 6mg) = 16.5mg

I might actually go and get testosterone shots, I have suspected that my levels have been low for quite some time however my blood tests always come back as fine.

I might pressure my doc into giving me them anyway, just a small amount.

Edited by Layberinthius, 10 November 2013 - 01:48 AM.

[paradoxo]

I just remember of another drug that is known for raising testosterone levels: bromocriptine. But I don't know if it's legal.

Edited by paradoxo, 10 November 2013 - 02:01 AM.

[nowayout]

This may be surprising to some, but studies have shown that above a minimum level that is at the low end of the normal range (about 350 ng/mL as far as I recall), more testosterone does not make you more horny, so that would be a really dumb reason for getting testosterone shots.

[Layberinthius]

This may be surprising to some, but studies have shown that above a minimum level that is at the low end of the normal range (about 350 ng/mL as far as I recall), more testosterone does not make you more horny, so that would be a really dumb reason for getting testosterone shots.

Roger that, thanks for the heads up, I do have other reasons for wanting to get a testosterone shot namely a lack of energy/drive/sustain.

[Absent]

Layberinthius,

You are definitely right about something, though I think you might get a deeper understanding of this sex energy-life force connection if you look at various Yogic/Meditative/Spiritual traditions. They all relate in the very fundamental concept that spiritual(aka core mental) evolution and progression is attained by channeling the sexual energy up wards and transmuting it into pure thought power. Of course this is an incredibly unbiological explanation, but it is very true in one sense or another. When people understand this they will begin to see the correlation between slight decreases of cognitive function and their orgasms. There's a prime fundamental concept in all of these various traditions that a person can either make life with their life force, or enhance their own. People often misunderstand the real purposes behind spiritual practice, but they are not really to make a person more "holy" or "righteous" as some would like to believe, but rather to evolve the mind, body, and spirit to new heights. Consciousness, is more or less a metaphor for ones mental activity and processes, whatever it really may be on a deeper level, but the key to extreme intelligence is to focus this sexual energy into increasing the strength of consciousness.

Now, from experience, I will tell you that using nootropics to boost the sex drive an most definitely work, but being skillful enough to transmute it into cognitive thought power is a difficult thing to do at first. I've found extremely high doses of Piracetam/Fish Oil to be the BEST thing for increasing this sex drive(in doses 4-30g each simultaneously). The only problem is that it generates such immense sexual energy that it can easily become overwhelming and cause one to be unable to resist pleasuring themselves.... and orgasming in such a state can actually make you fall to a lower level than if you did when you orgasmed at a lower level. It can be tricky, but if you can figure out how to channel that energy correctly for yourself, great mental abilities can come. I will say, it is not the easiest thing to do, but it is definitely possible, and definitely worth doing.

[PWAIN]

Roger that, thanks for the heads up, I do have other reasons for wanting to get a testosterone shot namely a lack of energy/drive/sustain.

Might be worth trying B12 and iodine first. If you are deficient in either, you could get a big boost from one of them.

[Absent]

Roger that, thanks for the heads up, I do have other reasons for wanting to get a testosterone shot namely a lack of energy/drive/sustain.

Might be worth trying B12 and iodine first. If you are deficient in either, you could get a big boost from one of them.

B12 and Iodine? I've never heard of that combination before. Is it considered to be effective? I remember I took some sublingual b-12 supplements a few years ago, but after not long they lost all effectiveness... perhaps I burned up all my iodine.

[Layberinthius]

Now, from experience, I will tell you that using nootropics to boost the sex drive an most definitely work, but being skillful enough to transmute it into cognitive thought power is a difficult thing to do at first. I've found extremely high doses of Piracetam/Fish Oil to be the BEST thing for increasing this sex drive(in doses 4-30g each simultaneously). The only problem is that it generates such immense sexual energy that it can easily become overwhelming and cause one to be unable to resist pleasuring themselves.... and orgasming in such a state can actually make you fall to a lower level than if you did when you orgasmed at a lower level. It can be tricky, but if you can figure out how to channel that energy correctly for yourself, great mental abilities can come. I will say, it is not the easiest thing to do, but it is definitely possible, and definitely worth doing.

AHH yes, good old fish oil, I forgot about its sex drive boosting abilities, thanks for reminding me!

I noticed that it increased my sex drive even when I was off noopept.

P.S. I already meditate once a day, I'm slowly but surely getting into meditation for longer periods, I may pickup yoga at some other point in the future.

Thanks for the suggestions

Edited by Layberinthius, 11 November 2013 - 03:54 AM.

[Layberinthius]

Roger that, thanks for the heads up, I do have other reasons for wanting to get a testosterone shot namely a lack of energy/drive/sustain.

Might be worth trying B12 and iodine first. If you are deficient in either, you could get a big boost from one of them.

B12 and Iodine? I've never heard of that combination before. Is it considered to be effective? I remember I took some sublingual b-12 supplements a few years ago, but after not long they lost all effectiveness... perhaps I burned up all my iodine.

Or perhaps you burned up your supply of something else which is necessary for synthesizing and storing or using iodine.

o_0

[PWAIN]

Sorry, I didn't mean they had to be taken together. I have just come across many people who have taken one or the other of those and got a significant energy boost. Won't work for everyone but just figure it is worth trying to see, maybe you have a deficiency in one of them.

[chris7900]

if you want to get as maxim horny as possible you must ensure your body is in an anabolic state, this means you must eat healthy and you must eat at least as much food as your body needs, so you must ensure you have no calorie deficit.
a healthy diet with lots of unsaturated fats also plays a very big role, fish-fat, avocado, nuts, eggs.
and lots of protein. no soy !
all this supports natural testosteron production, also if you wanna increase your testosteron and be anabolic state you have to go to sleep at night 11p.m. latest, and sleep the full 7-9 hours, also doing heavy weight lifting exercises like deadlifts and deep squads will make you horny as hell, after the workout and also the next day. joggin and sprint intervalls will also make you realy horny.
Meditation with target the anabolic state such as yoga are also recommended.

[nowayout]

Fish oil doesn't help everyone. In fact it may hurt sex drive in a subset of guys. There is a long thread on t-nation where a bunch of people complain about loss of sex drive from fish oil.

[stponky]

I have heard that Beast Sports Nutrition Super Test is what some body builders use and think it helps (makes you horny too supposedly).

[nupi]

Being horny while studying hardly helps... Especially not if you study in the library.

[adonis]

nettle root

[nowayout]

Being horny while studying hardly helps... Especially not if you study in the library.

Haha, yes, I too have to question the entire premise of this thread.

[adonis]

"I would like to take these drugs, and then abstain from masturbation, or get my hormones to such a high level that even masturbating 3 times a day is not enough to get rid of them. That I think is the key to intelligence." I'm still lol'ing

[Layberinthius]

You guys dont pull it out in public and start fapping though do you? So what else have you got to do with that additional energy? For me its been possible to use that energy to study better.

That feeling of wanting to get out of here as quickly as possible and go home is a great method of getting tasks done I've found.

Edited by Layberinthius, 13 November 2013 - 03:30 AM.

[adonis]

You guys dont pull it out in public and start fapping though do you? So what else have you got to do with that additional energy? For me its been possible to use that energy to study better.

That feeling of wanting to get out of here as quickly as possible and go home is a great method of getting tasks done I've found.

The feeling of having to urinate makes me want to get out of whatever place as quick as possible too...but I wouldn't consider that a great method of getting tasks done. Just saying.

[Layberinthius]

The feeling of having to urinate vs having to orgasm are two different things.

One can be abstained from for an entire day.

The other cannot without kidney and prostate damage.

[adonis]

If I abstain from sex/masturbation for ~3days, my body finds a way to release during a dream.

[RJ23_1989]

Despite this being highly questionable, what your looking for is called PT-141. Google it.

[socialpiranha]

testosterone is just a small part of sexual arousal/desire....vasopressin, oxytocin, dopamine, and norepinephrine are just a few others involved...I do agree that the sex drive is the major motivating drive and it can get perverted, for lack of a better word, by masturbation and porn...The motivation for all the things which usually aid in achieving sexual satisfaction like social status, physical fitness,intelligence, competitiveness etc can be drained by masturbation and monogamy. If the body learns that it doesn't have to do or get these things to achieve sexual satisfaction, it will take the easiest way and you will be left with the food/water drive to borrow from in order to motivate you toward your goals. If the food drive is easily satisfied, by walking to your parents cupboard for example, you'll have the same problem...now we're down to the drive to survive to borrow from...This is obviously not an optimal position to be in, the body and mind perform best when all three are unsatisfied yet not so much so the body is undernurished or overworked. The problem is, food is quite easily obtained in modern society so you don't get stronger and develop more intelligent was of getting it, also because primates are intelligent and dexterous enough to masturbate we don't have to work too hard or find more intelligent ways to satisfy our sexual urges...so two of the three most basic urges are not working for us evolutionarily or often even in our individual lives...so if you want to function optimally, stop masturbating and being monogamous and only eat when you have sufficiently exerted yourself phsically... Nikola tesla, arguably one of the greatest minds of modern time, died a virgin....think about that

[Layberinthius]

Yeah, I've known that for quite a while that urge, desire, drive are all related to the reward system in the brain, if you've never experienced the best then you will want it more than others who have already had sex.

However there is the flipside to that that its better to have lost than to have never to have loved at all. You get the mostly inacessible memories if you do have sex which isnt a great payoff for losing a huge chunk of your reward system. and feeling lethargic and not wanting to do anything big in your life anymore.

But there is a massive amount of depression which comes from being lonely for your entire life, which is why Nikola Tesla said:
"Sometimes I feel that by not marrying, I made too great a sacrifice to my work ..."

https://en.wikipedia...a#Relationships

There is a definite gamble there between choosing a life of chastity vs declaring to the world that you will never attain orgasm in a pussy and that you will instead devote your life towards work.

However I have already surpassed that point, I'm still a virgin but I've used a pocket pussy. So I've never laid with a woman but I have already lost a significant portion of my dopamine receptors which made me very productive in the past.

The only problem however with being chastised, is it almost sent me completely insane with stress and depression. Sure I was typically manically productive, but I was also in a world of pain.

I'm kinda glad I got it over with and made love with an inanimate object, it gave me a taste of what its like to fuck but it didnt give me the potential massive headfuck that women put you through after having sex with them.

But I may never attain the same high levels of desire for productivity as I once had, which is exactly what I want to attain by getting those sex drive hormones up as high as possible.

This is exactly why I hate fragile biological organisms, because they dont have a user manual, they crap out at you at the worst moments when you need them the most, you cannot reprogram or repair your brain, there is 7 billion others of them all wanting a piece of you and to make your life miserable.

And they have emotions.

But I am human, and for the period of time that I am a human being I might aswell enjoy it while I still can. Right now I'm stuck between worlds, between being chastised and being fully experienced. And that is exactly where I want to remain for the time being.

I am polyamorous, and pansexual, I am fully aware that I would not be happy with just one girl and I let women know that (to my own detriment) before anything serious happens. I sure as hell wouldnt want to live a lie and tell a girl a lie just so I can be temporarily happy right now, that would be selfish.

However due to brain damage caused by anti-psychotics I am also no longer as horny as I used to be, so I am able to control myself considerably more than the average male, and far more than what I would have been able to just 5 years ago.

~ Sensationalism:
As I said, biological systems are highly complex, we have no idea what the hell is going on, they are extremely fragile and the older you get the more damage you incurr. I will be GLAD when I can discard this body and plug my brain into a computer.

"Blowing your brains out" while having sex is a cruel and horrible fact of evolution, we are stuck in the dark ages of biology while our brains are advancing at a tremendous rate, they are being forced to live a short academic career that only lasts until you are 30 in most cases, with computers and transhumanism that period of time can be advanced significantly.

This is my goal, to ultimatley extend my academic career beyond the age of 30, and hopefully until my old age.

The ultimate goal would be to have had sex AND have had a massive academic career, disrupting the reward system is brain damage, its reinforcing the stereotype that we must accept our old age as something thats natural, yet we have made a community based around trying to live as young as possible, for as long as possible.

To me my life was perfect at the age of 16-21, I want to go back there more than anything, and I will do anything to attain infinite happyness short of cause my body and mind significant damage from drug use.

I'm not going to sugarcoat anything, we're all adults here and I havent got the time to be polite. fact of the matter is our bodies and our biological brains are failing us, isnt it about time that we started fighting back?

A massive reduction in sex drive is a marker of old age, so why are we letting it win? I was a much happier and hornier individual when I was only 25, I'm now 29 and I feel like utter crap without the sex drive from noopept, so whats changed?

4 years has passed and a massive reduction in motivation, intelligence, imagination has occured and it can all mostly be attributed to libido and a massive disruption in the reward system.

The biggest enemy to perpetually living forever is that of boredom, the fact that our biological brains are hardwired to experience something as the greatest thing on earth only once is going to end up doing us in if we cannot find a way to override it. I would consider taking a drug which forced my brain to forget every pleasurable experience in my life if one existed, because I know that would mean that I then get to experience everything over again for the first time.

Its this cyclical nature of existence which is a new thing in our society, if we are going to live forever then we will need to find a way around the linear way that we perceive time and remember experiences and replace it with either a cyclical existence where we are born, grow older, forget everything that we've learnt and get younger then start again from the beginning, or we will have to perpetually find new ways to enjoy ourselves.

The latter method however is the common reason why emperors and rulers get bored eventually, because they cannot forget all of their past experiences and start again, that is the biggest curse to longevity that I can possibly fathom.

I also hope that by becoming part computer I can expand my brain's pleasure centres to something even more pleasurable than what a human being can experience, and even possibly remove my long term memory from my skull and replace it with something that is digital, so I can then selectivley edit my past and re-attain my youthful exuberance about life, and live an infinite life of perpetual happyness and excitement.

So by waving a carrot infront of my brain I am hoping that I will attain what I've lost.

Edited by Layberinthius, 14 November 2013 - 01:00 PM.

[socialpiranha]

nice post, The thing is though, sex with a woman, or any other human, is much different than with yourself or an inanimate object, the amount of implications and chemical changes it makes is unmatched... the reason it is a good motivator is that it can almost always be topped or at least matched by another conquest, which is why monogamy isn't a good thing in terms of productivity. Yes kings and rulers do/did lose drive in their later years but they accomplished more than most as well. I am not saying to abstain from sex in fact quite the opposite, sex is the main drive so it should be allowed to take its natural course except in the case of pedophilia or nonconsentual sex. sexual satisfaction and success go hand in hand, they feed each other. Masturbation on the other hand is extremely detrimental to success...it is tantamount to defeat...

I agree it is time we look more diligently into merging man with machine or at least manipulating the genome or whatever because the current human is not conducive to long term survival let alone peaceful existence...that being said it will not be an option in our lifetime in my opinion...unless there is a major scientific revolution. i still enjoy keeping up on advances though in hopes there is one. It really does seem like all the pieces are falling into place to create a humanlike machine with robotics and brain science becoming more and more advanced.unfortunately i think it will be more like one hundred fifty years from now...maybe life extension science will progress fast enough to keep us alive till then...!

[Absent]

Layberinthius,

Your posts could work on being a little more focused to their points.

It is certainly possible to reverse any sort of brain damage or atrophy caused by drugs or overmasturbation. It just takes time, intention, and effort. Modern Science often says brain damage is irreversible, but this is largely untrue in one sense or another. The term Brain Damage is one I have a lot of problems with anyways. It would imply any unwanted change to neurological circuits. While most changes are not 'reversible' in the sense that you can rewind to a previous state, they are 'reversible' in the sense that with the right effort and intention you can rebuild an ideal/targeted state of mind that is the same as, or more preferably, even superior than the one you once lost.

I, like you, Layberinthius, have been on a quest to strengthen my sexual energy and channel it into brain power. It has proven very successful up to this point. You just have to figure out which method you are working with. With me, it is persistent meditation and yogic practice, as well as a couple of my own mental training exercises.

You will inevitably face some challenges on the way, especially if you used to masturbate a lot. I found that as I abstained and allowed my sexual energy to recharge and attempted to channel it, it would often grow to strengths of being so powerful that it was distracting me and if I managed to not masturbate then I would inevitable release in a wet-dream. Though slowly over time, as I intended to not want to masturbate or release it at all so I could channel it, those occurrences became less and less, and my tolerance to control the sexual energy grows and grows. It's a battle all the way, but it is worth it 100%. Each passing day, and week, I can feel my mind-qualities I have been striving for growing stronger and stronger. There have also been a LARGE amount of other positive side effects from abstaining. Most notably my skin has become very clear, my anxiety levels are very low, I am able to stay focused in my day, disciplined to do what I need to do, my confidence is up, my energy is up, I no longer struggle to wake up in the morning. To put it simply I can feel my life force energy growing and growing, in the most mundane sense. It is with this growing power that I have committed in the long run to achieve my goals that would not be possible otherwise. I figure a relationship can wait until I have accomplished what I want to accomplished in my life. Truly, in retrospect, the increasing of the life force and all that great power it brings me to manifest things in my life through my actions is far more valuable and cherishable than any momentary pleasure any sexual partner can bring me.

Funnily Enough, it's worth noting, this intentional abstaining and saving of my sexual energy has boosted my confidence along with my social skills and I find myself naturally socializing with more and more people. Most notably since I have become much more focused in my goals and all about manifesting my future, this ambition and motivation seems to be very attractive to women when I talk to them about it. Whichever way you look at it, by abstaining, women have naturally gravitated into my life, which has faced me with the challenge of maintaining my self discipline as a multitude of opportunities for sexual things have come up. I admit, a couple encounters every now and then won't harm your progress, though if you're serious about building up your sexual energy in the long term then you should definitely avoid any serious commitment with any partner or you could very quickly and easily find yourself derailing your progress. That is of course, unless you can find a girl who likes you for your attitude and is willing to respect your life goals, like I have ^.^.

It's truly for the better, for all the above it the essence of spiritual self-empowerment traditions. The channeling of the life force into higher intellect and to become a more advanced/evolved human being.

[OpaqueMind]

It's truly for the better, for all the above it the essence of spiritual self-empowerment traditions. The channeling of the life force into higher intellect and to become a more advanced/evolved human being.

Siro, what an awesome post that was. I too am trying to channel my sexual energy into the elevation of the mental, but I keep relapsing around 1 or 2 weeks after the last release, at the mercy of an insane crescendo of drive. I think it is very important to have a consistent goal to be working towards, which you are highly emotionally attached to, since the attachment to a goal-structure that persists through time is all that stands between us and a momentary relapse into the baseness of physical pleasure.

Do you consider the subduing of the mental aspects of the drive (such as cutting off any fantasies etc) to be paramount in controlling the energy itself? Would you mind giving a more detailed overview of how you practice this sublimation?

By the way, I have heard good things about using either Tai Chi or Chi Gong in order to boost vitality. The lifeforce you speak of is the concept of Qi in ancient spiritual traditions, which is partially converted into Jing, the sexual essence. Obviously these are analogous to hollistic physical systems and therefore not 'scientifically precise', but they are borne out in widespread claims of these practices significantly boosting the sex drive after several months. I can only imagine the combination of controlling the energy while simultaneously boosting it. I myself have just started doing 'Tai Chi for Liberation' and it is early days so I can't speak of progress yet, but reviews are good and I am optimistic. One really cool thing I noticed is that I have begun to feel the movement of energy through my body when doing the practice - between the hands and so forth. It's pretty cool

[Absent]

OpaqueMind,

Chi/Life Force/Spirit/Sexual Energy, whether referring to the same thing or not, are all referring to whatever the collective forces are that work together to allow us to function on a daily basis. I think it's best we keep this conversation from converging too much on any one particular tradition and focus more directly on the biological factors at work here. Though, it is no doubt that many various Esoteric practices can be used to gain energy in one way or another, though that's for another conversation.

I found relapsing is inevitable in the early stages. It's simply part of the cycle. The important part is that you not 'feed' these thoughts, or rather, their neurological pathways. While Fantasizing may not directly be wasting much of the life force, it will build energy up in those pathways until it grows and grows to the point of automatic release. Scientist say that while addiction and addictive tendencies can be overcome, they usually cannot be reversed. What this means is that once those neurological pathways are formed, the only real way that we know of to escape them is to not feed them, and they will gradually become weaker over time, but this itself takes quite some time.

In my progress, what I mainly have been doing is learning how to occupy and focus my mind with other things, so that the energies naturally wonder to something of my interest, rather than wandering into sexual urges when my energies are high. There are inevitable points of low controllability and my emotions and will just give into some sexual urge, but I have noticed as I keep my intention strong and focused those low points occur less and less. After a 2-4 months of trying to abstain I am reaching a point where I can easily go 7-10 days without a single sexual urge bothering me, and this was after multiple years of chronic daily masturbation. It is not that my libido is low, quite the contrary, I feel more alive than ever, it's just that it feels I have been rightly developing a better handle on it.

A great and obvious way to accelerate this progress is to simply stay busy. After all, I'm sure everyone here looking to give their energies thriving are doing so for some specific intent, yes? For me it is for creativity in the field I work in, and to generally be more mentally engaged with my goals and day to day demands. I have a lot of goals overall, a lot of things I wish to accomplish, that mere hard work alone will not accomplish. A lot of these goals require cultivation of the mind in certain specific qualities, mental training, so to speak. This is what I choose to focus my energies on, in planning to manifest a particular future to my liking. On a daily basis I am planning and figuring out my goals and what I need to do to manifest them.

I think it is almost necessary to have a purpose in life. I think a lot of people just want to maximize how well they can function on a day to day basis, but haven't really thought much about how they want to use those things. Sure a lot of people are in school, working towards some degree or something, or working a full time job, but what else? A lot of people come to this forum to simply find things that can help them feel better about themselves, but I think feeling better about oneself is simply the start to a personal evolution, to more aptly live ones life in a way that one likes.

Ultimately though, if you are not occupying your focus with something, or working on something, while trying to conserve and build up your sexual energy/life force, then your mind will inevitably wander to what it deems to be the most rewarding - which in the case of someone abstaining may be an orgasm if there is nothing else for them to focus on. I have found myself being a whole lot more productive since not wasting my energy on orgasming. Before I used to just barely skirt by in life doing only what I had to do at any given moment to make it.

The sexual life force is our creative essence. All humans possess the power to create. We can either waste it on orgasming or we can expend it on creating valuable changes in our lives, whether through art, projects, goals, self development, etc.