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[medicineman]

What's the difference/relation(if any) between this compound and Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide, this supplement has that and D-Ribose http://www.drugstore...rk=g&matchtype= Sorry if this is a stupid question, just wondering if similar effects may be gained through this.

NAD would be quickly reduced to NADH in your blood...

[dpaxton]

I have been looking all over for the supplier. In getting feedback from three different companies I cannot see it. All of them do the 99% and list it as a food additive for losing weight. So far the average is 500 per Kg if buying 50 Kg's at a time. In talking to the largest company they do not think it is possible to make it for that price. Has there been any feedback from the guy who started this?

[slotrite]

I think 500 per Kg is reasonable and accurate. Is it affordable? I'll
still take 1 kg. at this price.

[borg389]

I have been looking all over for the supplier. In getting feedback from three different companies I cannot see it. All of them do the 99% and list it as a food additive for losing weight. So far the average is 500 per Kg if buying 50 Kg's at a time. In talking to the largest company they do not think it is possible to make it for that price. Has there been any feedback from the guy who started this?

I think Rumpelstiltskin has a supplier, according to his post #37 here. But he mentions he can get it for $80 a kilo and $75 shipping per kilo per msg #85.

[borg389]

I think 500 per Kg is reasonable and accurate. Is it affordable? I'll
still take 1 kg. at this price.

Isn't that about half the price as the 60 caplets for $47.99 on amazon?60 pills, but it doesn't show how many grams per pill, but it does say 29.99 per oz.At that, it's sbout 1.6 ounces. And 1.6 ounces would be about 45 grams. 45 grams for $50 is about 450 for $500. Plus you get to measure and pillicize the powder too.Of course, I don't know for sure how much of the chemical is in each pill. I'm only guessing it's pure NR.It's still better than the amazon price but ouch.

Edited by borg389, 22 February 2014 - 07:26 AM.

[Hebbeh]

I think 500 per Kg is reasonable and accurate. Is it affordable? I'll
still take 1 kg. at this price.

Isn't that about half the price as the 60 caplets for $47.99 on amazon?60 pills, but it doesn't show how many grams per pill, but it does say 29.99 per oz.At that, it's sbout 1.6 ounces. And 1.6 ounces would be about 45 grams. 45 grams for $50 is about 450 for $500. Plus you get to measure and pillicize the powder too.Of course, I don't know for sure how much of the chemical is in each pill. I'm only guessing it's pure NR.It's still better than the amazon price but ouch.

No. Each capsule is 250 mg. At 60 capsules, that is 15 grams per bottle which would require 66.67 bottles in a kilo. $48 per bottle at 66.67 bottles per kilo is $3200 per kilo at Amazon. That is 6.4 times the $500 bulk price or the bulk price is the equivalent of $7.49 (vs $47.99) per bottle. You'd save $40 off each bottle at $500 bulk price.

[PWAIN]

ParMatrix was going to organise this. His web site http://www.nootropicsdepot.com was probably where ordering would occur. ParMatrix last posted here 2 weeks ago indicating that he is chasing up the supplier. Hope this is still going to happen but it may be worth someone else seeing if they can get some prices.

[dpaxton]

I will work something up over the weekend. The question is, how do you all want to deal with a company in China logistically. On my list is you want a real purity report on that particular lot. The really deep freeze as other things they make also age so the -20C is common. They make other things and can and do synthesize up custom all the time. It would be a matter there of not bombarding them with cistom requests. From there it is how money is handled. It would be better to pay them directly.

I will see what I can set up as they make pretty much all pf the nootropics talked about here also.

[borg389]

I think 500 per Kg is reasonable and accurate. Is it affordable? I'll
still take 1 kg. at this price.

Isn't that about half the price as the 60 caplets for $47.99 on amazon?60 pills, but it doesn't show how many grams per pill, but it does say 29.99 per oz.At that, it's sbout 1.6 ounces. And 1.6 ounces would be about 45 grams. 45 grams for $50 is about 450 for $500. Plus you get to measure and pillicize the powder too.Of course, I don't know for sure how much of the chemical is in each pill. I'm only guessing it's pure NR.It's still better than the amazon price but ouch.

No. Each capsule is 250 mg. At 60 capsules, that is 15 grams per bottle which would require 66.67 bottles in a kilo. $48 per bottle at 66.67 bottles per kilo is $3200 per kilo at Amazon. That is 6.4 times the $500 bulk price or the bulk price is the equivalent of $7.49 (vs $47.99) per bottle. You'd save $40 off each bottle at $500 bulk price.

You are correct. I couldn't find the info of how many grams per pill on amazon.

[Andreas]

Just want to remind you people one more time that 1 kg may be waaay to much. You have to adopt to the human metabolism which means
24.3243243243 mg / kg =1.5 GRAM a day.
Just seems like this, quite crucial part, has been forgotton. I am sorry if I missed the reason for why this is neglected.


This means 1 kg = 666 days (bad sign? ) It is quite iportant that people realize they are not mice.

[Nattzor]

Just want to remind you people one more time that 1 kg may be waaay to much. You have to adopt to the human metabolism which means
24.3243243243 mg / kg =1.5 GRAM a day.
Just seems like this, quite crucial part, has been forgotton. I am sorry if I missed the reason for why this is neglected.


This means 1 kg = 666 days (bad sign? ) It is quite iportant that people realize they are not mice.

People should also know that 250-500 mg EOD seems to work great for a lot of people, so best case scenario we got 8000 days worth with 1 kg, waaaaaay too much.

[megatron]

Just want to remind you people one more time that 1 kg may be waaay to much. You have to adopt to the human metabolism which means
24.3243243243 mg / kg =1.5 GRAM a day.
Just seems like this, quite crucial part, has been forgotton. I am sorry if I missed the reason for why this is neglected.


This means 1 kg = 666 days (bad sign? ) It is quite iportant that people realize they are not mice.

However, I don't only order this for myself, but for my family as well. I want my aging parents and grandmother to also benefit from this. If you take that into consideration it's not such an abundance as you make it sound.

[slotrite]

One bottle of Niagen is 7.5 grams at 50$. That would be 6666.66$ for a kilo of Niagen in total bottles. I doubt that Niagen has this big of a mark up compared to Chinese producers. I would think it would cost at least a few thousand dollars a kilo from anyone and then you would have to pay for a quality assay to make sure you weren't getting screwed.

[Andreas]

Just want to remind you people one more time that 1 kg may be waaay to much. You have to adopt to the human metabolism which means
24.3243243243 mg / kg =1.5 GRAM a day.
Just seems like this, quite crucial part, has been forgotton. I am sorry if I missed the reason for why this is neglected.


This means 1 kg = 666 days (bad sign? ) It is quite iportant that people realize they are not mice.

However, I don't only order this for myself, but for my family as well. I want my aging parents and grandmother to also benefit from this. If you take that into consideration it's not such an abundance as you make it sound.

This sounds good - but my intention is that people should be aware of this, since in the start, many spoke of taking 32 grams a day, where 1kg would mean one month. As long as people know what they are doing, they can order 50kg if they want. I just don't want people to believe that 32 grams a day makes sense for humans.

[Hebbeh]

One bottle of Niagen is 7.5 grams at 50$. That would be 6666.66$ for a kilo of Niagen in total bottles. I doubt that Niagen has this big of a mark up compared to Chinese producers. I would think it would cost at least a few thousand dollars a kilo from anyone and then you would have to pay for a quality assay to make sure you weren't getting screwed.

No. As I just stated in post 216, a bottle of Niagen is 250mg x 60 capsules = 15 grams at $48/bottle = $3200/kilo.

And Niagen has a huge markup.

Edited by Hebbeh, 22 February 2014 - 05:50 PM.

[dpaxton]

All of this is good information. My thought is that they do a batch. When they do this they do a multistep rifinement and test as they go. That gives you the actual purity of the end product. The precursors for most of this do not cost much so making 1kg or 10 is really a matter of machine time and testing. It is a matter of seeing how to work it so one does not pay ten times as much for 50 grams then 1kg on a per gram basis. I will just have to see what I can work out. I personally do not want to order a KG of anything. Any other suggestions of how to work this with the manufacturer would be appreciated.

[dpaxton]

looking over the list they have the NR and NADH also,

Alpha-GPC
Noopept
Adrafinil
Modafinil
Armodafinil
Piracetam
Oxiracetam
Aniracetam
Pramiracetam
Cytidine Diphosphate Choline
Choline Bitartrate
Melatonin
Dimethylaminoethanol
Citicoline sodium
Huperzine A
Vinpocetine

Are there any others I should check on in order t have soemthing to set this up with?

[trance]

One bottle of Niagen is 7.5 grams at 50$. That would be 6666.66$ for a kilo of Niagen in total bottles. I doubt that Niagen has this big of a mark up compared to Chinese producers. I would think it would cost at least a few thousand dollars a kilo from anyone and then you would have to pay for a quality assay to make sure you weren't getting screwed.

No. As I just stated in post 216, a bottle of Niagen is 250mg x 60 capsules = 15 grams at $48/bottle = $3200/kilo.

And Niagen has a huge markup.

The exact same bottle of Niagen was selling for $17-19 a bottle on Swansons the first time I ran across research & starting using it, but this was some months back before all the hype that has now tripled the retail price.

[zen]

No. As I just stated in post 216, a bottle of Niagen is 250mg x 60 capsules = 15 grams at $48/bottle = $3200/kilo.

And Niagen has a huge markup.

Correction.
A bottle of Niagen contains 60 capsules.
Serving size is two capsules, 250mg per serving.

[Hebbeh]

No. As I just stated in post 216, a bottle of Niagen is 250mg x 60 capsules = 15 grams at $48/bottle = $3200/kilo.

And Niagen has a huge markup.

Correction.
A bottle of Niagen contains 60 capsules.
Serving size is two capsules, 250mg per serving.

My apologies. I stand corrected. I missed the 2 capsules per serving which makes it an even bigger scam. Therefore slotrite was correct that a capsule is 125mg and a bottle is a mere 7.5 grams for the equivalent of $6400/kilo. It's worse than I thought. Yes. the markup is beyond huge...it's gouging.

Thank You for the correction zen and my apologies to slotrite.

[slotrite]

How could we possibly know what Niagens' markup is when we have no actual
quote to compare it to?

[dpaxton]

here is what I have from a producer that does this as a food addative. This is my point that looking at Alibaba and not getting the real prices lead to problems. It has been over a month from those that have come up with the group buy idea. I came up with this.

Nicotinamide Riboside.
1 kg, $640/kg
10kg $520/kg
50kg $480/kg

My thought is that this can be cut down a bit. On top of that make a basic production house for the area. All of the synthesis houses in China are running on the same machinery and hopeful profit margins.

[borg389]

Just want to remind you people one more time that 1 kg may be waaay to much. You have to adopt to the human metabolism which means
24.3243243243 mg / kg =1.5 GRAM a day.
Just seems like this, quite crucial part, has been forgotton. I am sorry if I missed the reason for why this is neglected.


This means 1 kg = 666 days (bad sign? ) It is quite iportant that people realize they are not mice.

So how long should one take it if you take 1.5 grams per day? I know someone said something about how your body will recycle it, so you only need so much. If you take less per day, should you take the same overall amount?

[Andreas]

Just want to remind you people one more time that 1 kg may be waaay to much. You have to adopt to the human metabolism which means
24.3243243243 mg / kg =1.5 GRAM a day.
Just seems like this, quite crucial part, has been forgotton. I am sorry if I missed the reason for why this is neglected.


This means 1 kg = 666 days (bad sign? ) It is quite iportant that people realize they are not mice.

So how long should one take it if you take 1.5 grams per day? I know someone said something about how your body will recycle it, so you only need so much. If you take less per day, should you take the same overall amount?

Good question. I honestly don't know, the metabolic rate changes time, but not total amount, so I guess it is the same total amount if you do not plan to take it continously. It may be a good idea to start a bit stronger the first few days to get the ratio up to a higher level, and then go down to a lower maintainance level.

But I think the total amount is the same, it just takes longer time to get there (for example, a Mouse's heartbeats are faster than the Elephant's, but they do approximately the same amount of heart-beat per lifetime), With this logic, less per day, but longer, should do it. But i do Quantum physics, not biomedecin, so I hope someone else can correct me if I'm wrong

[Geoffrey1]

Just want to remind you people one more time that 1 kg may be waaay to much. You have to adopt to the human metabolism which means
24.3243243243 mg / kg =1.5 GRAM a day.
Just seems like this, quite crucial part, has been forgotton. I am sorry if I missed the reason for why this is neglected.


This means 1 kg = 666 days (bad sign? ) It is quite iportant that people realize they are not mice.

So how long should one take it if you take 1.5 grams per day? I know someone said something about how your body will recycle it, so you only need so much. If you take less per day, should you take the same overall amount?

[Geoffrey1]

Thank you for taking the time!! I am definitely in for 1 KG at this price (a fraction of what Niagen is charging).

and: apologies I am new here and I accidentally gave your post a -1 when I went to reply: this is my first reply on this forum. Can that mistaken -1 be removed?? Apologies, an error that will not be repeated.

Again thank you.
Geoffrey

[dpaxton]

I can set up the buy anytime. Let me know. I do not think that all have to pick up a full 1kg. After a good tally I will get a final price with shipping. I am sure that will be the same as others from China. Mind you that this will be set up that you pay them directly and they ship right to you.

same shipping rates. Sorry on that typo.

[borg389]

I can set up the buy anytime. Let me know. I do not think that all have to pick up a full 1kg. After a good tally I will get a final price with shipping. I am sure that will be the same as others from China. Mind you that this will be set up that you pay them directly and they ship right to you.

same shipping rates. Sorry on that typo.

If it's gonna be about $500 for 1k plus shipping, would I be able to get about $60-$70 worth? That about an eight of a kilo? Or would that be too small an order?In in the w/nw chicago suburbs if anyone might want to split an order.

[tunt01]

If it's gonna be about $500 for 1k plus shipping, would I be able to get about $60-$70 worth? That about an eight of a kilo? Or would that be too small an order?In in the w/nw chicago suburbs if anyone might want to split an order.

I'm in the city and might be interested in going in with you. Let me do some thinking on it. How much time until this order is placed?

thx

[dpaxton]

I will just have to see what they are willing to do. I am sure they are going to have a pull, wiegh and package charge. Then whatever the shipping is. If this works I think I can get them to do one every other week of something as that would allow the entire previous order to get out the door. I will know in the morning. I am sure they may balk if there are 300 50 gram orders.