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[TheThirdEye]

I have been taking Piracetam for about 4 days. Although have noticed some slight improvement in concentration and focus the thing that has blown me away is what it has done to my compulsive eating. I am morbidly obese at a height of 5'7" and 355 pounds. I have been struggling with getting my weight under control and failing miserably. I may have a couple of good days only to turn to the habit of constantly eating throughout the day.

I started my Piracetam regimen with the traditional attack dose of about 6g on the first day. I noticed midway through my day that I had not gotten anything to each since breakfast and now it was lunchtime. I was not very hungry but intellectually I knew that I should eat something. Food is fuel so it is smarter to stay topped off than running on empty before refueling. I had lunch and while eating I was not thinking about eating something else after finishing lunch as I tend to do. It was just lunch. Tasty and pleasurable but not all encompassing in my thoughts. I thought this may be a fluke so I have continued to check my thinking in regards to food.

Since I began taking Piracetam I do not wake up thinking about food and what I am going to eat. My morning thoughts usually begin with the breakfast debate. What am I having? When am I having it? Do I get fast food or something healthier? and so on. On the second morning of taking Piracetam I woke up a bit groggier than usual. No vivid dreams to report. As I prepared to start my day I thought about breakfast once. Just once. That was it. I decided I would have a bagel and coffee at work. Once decided that was the end. No endless debate, no self argument about what else I would like. I was amazed!

Now it has been four days and the effect on my thoughts regarding food is the same. I can feel I am hungry when I am hungry but I don't think about eating between meals. My appetite during meal times is unchanged. I still enjoy the meals I have yet there is no compulsion to overeat. I never knew Piracetam had this effect and I wonder if others with food issues like myself have ever experienced beneficial effect with Piracetam.

Aside from the food related effects I do feel more "on" than I have in the past. I am stacking Phosphatidylcholine, B-5 and DMAE with my Piracetam. Aside from a slight headache on the first two days I have had no adverse effects. Emotionally I feel calmer, more together. Cognitively I am seeing slight changes in focus, concentration, verbal acuity. These are still the early stages. I just got a scale so I will be experimenting with dosages to find the optimal one.

So far this has been a very interesting week

[SableDoveSays]

That's an awesome report ThirdEye. You might try adding a Choline supplement to help with the occasional headache issue.

Also, in case you're interested, there's a great book that combines the neuroscience of how our brains work with the psychology of willpower to help you further master control of your thoughts of food. It's called The Willpower Instinct, by Kelly McGonigal. Available on Kindle and Audible too. Good stuff.

Glad to hear the Piracetam is helping. It definitely makes a big difference for me with cognitive issues. My struggles are not with food but with staying awake. Lately I've been stacking with Oxiracetam, Nefiracetam, and PRL-8-53. Plus the occasional quarter nicotine patch before class (though I'm not and have never been a smoker).

Thanks again for the report.

Sorry, I just saw that you are taking a choline source--my bad. (Read closer!!)

[Godof Smallthings]

That's awesome, and interesting, as piracetam tends to make me more hungry, if anything.

If you want to get serious with obesity hacking, I'd recommend checking out Jack Kruse and cold thermogenesis (CT).

[TheThirdEye]

That's awesome, and interesting, as piracetam tends to make me more hungry, if anything.

If you want to get serious with obesity hacking, I'd recommend checking out Jack Kruse and cold thermogenesis (CT).

Thanks for the replies!

I still get quite hungry to be honest. The main change is that I am not constantly thinking or planning around food. I am thinking that communication between the mind and body have become more enhanced. Signals that tell me that I am hungry or my stomach is full are being processed more efficiently than before taking Piracetam.

It sort of feels like the brain is getting no input from that body that I am hungry so there is no need to think about food. As I become hungry the hunger signal sent to brain gradually intensifies the longer I go without eating. Once I am eating the signal from my body to the brain telling me that I have eaten enough is much clearer, unmistakable and harder to ignore.

When I am hungry now as opposed in the past the message is unmistakable. My body tells my brain that I need fuel NOW! In the past it was this constant vague message telling to eat because I am bored or tired or hungry although I was not hungry. It is a wonderful and welcomed change. Now that I am eating normally the next change would be to eat healthier. It's all baby steps tho, I want to ensure this behaviour is not some placebo effect.

If able I will take a look at the info you have provided on obesity hacking.

[Godof Smallthings]

Now that I am eating normally the next change would be to eat healthier. It's all baby steps tho, I want to ensure this behaviour is not some placebo effect.

Sounds like a good plan to me.

I would not worry about placebo effect too much. In my experience the most important changes occur in the mind anyway, by introducing regular behaviour that given enough time establishes habits that become second nature. Who cares if those habits were initially fuelled by placebo effect or not, as long as we achieve the desired result?

Checking out cold thermogenesis could help a lot, but what is most important is that you find some habit you want to change, then make that change for a month and see how you feel.

Then you have enough experience of that change to decide whether to continue or to drop it, and can try another change.

[Mr. Pink]

"Food is fuel so it is smarter to stay topped off than running on empty before refueling." Actually that's a common dieters' misconception. Fasting, especially, intermittent fasting is really good for you. There was one study a long time ago where someone fasted for like a week and went into starvation mode, and the hype machine of the weightloss market turned that around to "eat six times a day to avoid starvation mode." Yea not a chance. I'm in school and do extremely well on tests where cognition and memory are involved and I generally fast for about 14-16 hours each day. And i'm a non-traditional older student. I laugh at people that try to "educate" me about how breakfast is the most important meal of the day. For example we recently took a test that tested our knowledge retained from the last 3 yrs or so. 24 people took the test and I was one of only 3 people that passed. I also studied considerably less than most people, and, get this, genetically I have a very poor memory (that i make up for with cognition) and i have a history of substance abuse in my formative years. I took the test in a fasted state. I practiced intermittent fasting the whole month leading up to the test (i only studied 3 weeks or so, most people studied at least 2 months).

as for intermittent fasting, i read a site called lean gains that has a lot of info on the topic.

[Shinsou]

Well if you think about food all day, then it's clear you are eating a diet rich in carbohydrates.
They raise and drop your blood sugar quickly through insulin and that will make you hungry all the time.

The best diet for satiation is a ketogenic one, eat very low carb (under 30g) and high fat, moderate protein.
For me it was absolutely impossible to get satiated on carbs, no matter how much I ate. Guess most of us are metabolically damaged by all the processed carbs.

[TheThirdEye]

Well if you think about food all day, then it's clear you are eating a diet rich in carbohydrates.
They raise and drop your blood sugar quickly through insulin and that will make you hungry all the time.

The best diet for satiation is a ketogenic one, eat very low carb (under 30g) and high fat, moderate protein.
For me it was absolutely impossible to get satiated on carbs, no matter how much I ate. Guess most of us are metabolically damaged by all the processed carbs.

The behaviour with food I was attempting to describe is one of compulsion. One might even call it addiction or obsession. I would not say my diet was high in carbs as much as it was simply high in food in general. Although I do see the benefits of a ketogenic diet it is not for me. I have done so just as I have been a vegetarian and a vegan. There is no one diet fits all solution. I strongly believe the person must take stock of their eating habits and change them in a way that feels natural and sustainable.

Some will advocate ketogenic others will advocate fasting. These all have merit but in the end it is the choice of the individual. It is he or she who will implement this diet as a lifestyle not as some temporary solution to lose or gain weight. My eating habits are actually quite traditional. I eat three meals a day. For the most part, two are vegetarian and one includes animal protein. Sometimes I will opt for having an entire vegetarian day. When I say vegetarian I am referring to a healthy balance between carbs, vegetables and non-animal protein.

I put up this post because I am intrigued by the Phen-Fen like effect Piracetam has had on me. In the book, "The End of Overeating" the author describes the effect of Phen-Fen on patients:



This is precisely what is happening to me. I am wondering if anyone else has experienced this or heard of anyone experience this on Piracetam.

[Kjellfh]

How did it go with the piracetam TheThirdEye. Did the effects last? Do you still use it? Suffer from the same type of binge/overeating myself and looking for a solution.