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[noopept-user-123]

Hello,

I am new here so forgive me for mistakes. So I did a bit of searching and reading, but I can't find a definitive answer: What is the relationship between noopept & sleep?

For example, phenylpiracetam & sleep is something I know about E.g. phenylpiracetam can cause stimulation and insomnia. But I do not know about noopept & sleep.

Any experiences? Any threads you want show me or any links, I would appreciate. Thanks.

[Strelok]

You want to take your final dose of Noopept earlier in the day. Just as a guess, I'd say at least 6 hours before bedtime. The Noopept product insert says to not take it after 6pm for this reason. I figured that a safe bet was to take it in the morning sometime around breakfast, and again sometime around lunch.

[blood]

I found that noopept increased my need for sleep. I had to stop taking it for this reason.

[noopept-user-123]

You want to take your final dose of Noopept earlier in the day. Just as a guess, I'd say at least 6 hours before bedtime. The Noopept product insert says to not take it after 6pm for this reason. I figured that a safe bet was to take it in the morning sometime around breakfast, and again sometime around lunch.

Which Noopept product insert? I didn't get an insert with mine. Mine is from LiftMode. Where is your noopept from that they were kind enough to include a product insert?

[Duchykins]

It's pretty common for people taking the racetams and related noots to not take them past the afternoon because they would otherwise interfere with their sleeping patterns.


I have found this to be true with my phenylpiracetam and noopept, if I take either past 4pm, I will be more alert and 'thinking' than normal around bedtime, which for me is around midnight. It's never interfered with the efficacy of my nightly dose of Ambien, though, nor did my sleep quality seem reduced.


I can give you a quick review of all the sleep aids I've tried over the years, the ones I remember anyway:


Lunesta (rx) - Also known as "lunasties" due to the metallic taste it would cause in your mouth, even into the morning hours after waking up. Did not consistently put me to sleep either. Ditched it after a week.

Valerian root - This was interesting. It did gently encourage me to relax, but I would still have trouble going to sleep before dawn and when I did sleep, I would oversleep and I have disturbing dreams that left me in a near panic. Another one bites the dust.

Bacopa - Relaxing and had gentle nootropic advantages. Made my tummy gurgle a bit but no big deal. Unfortunately I had to quit this because of its tendency to trigger migraines. Sucks.

Melatonin - This made me feel like I had restless leg syndrome. It was torturously annoying and kept me awake. Also made my body feel heavy for a long time which I did not like. Byebye.

Benedryl - Similar to melatonin, and one time I was losing my mind from lack of sleep and kept dosing periodically until my heart started flipping out and my breathing was feeling very depressed. When I went to the hospital because I thought I had stupidly killed myself, the doc laughed at me and said 'people can't overdose on benedryl'. Okay, I deserved that.

5-htp - I hear some people have success with this as a sleep aid. Serotonin keeps me awake but not in a bad way. I use 5-htp for other purposes and I like it, but I take it irregularly as it is unknown whether using it daily is wise.

Theanine - On its own, has effects similar to 5-htp, I'm awale but nicely calmed, not annoyed at being awake. However if paired with Ambien it enhances the effects of Ambien.

Taurine - Very gentle and would be good to stack with some other sleep aid, as it is calming but typically does not sedate people into being sleepy, drowsy and can therefore be taken any time during the day.

Chamomile/lemon balm/lavender - Meh.

Exercising and breathing exercises - Good for many but not quite enough to put me to sleep, so I can't speak to sleep quality. I think the obvious answer here is that these are both good things.

There's others I can't remember right now. Anyways I'm on practically a lifetime supply of Ambien now because it's the most consistent with the least negative side effects. I notice a lot of people giving bad reports on Ambien, but those reports tend to be accompanied with other shit you should not do when taking Ambien, making it very obvious that most people are not reading much about the drug BEFORE taking it.

Never to go bed with food or a bunch of water in your stomach. Ambien is cool for me here because it forces me to have a two hour gap between food and sleep and makes me plan ahead, otherwise the Ambien's efficacy will be compromised. -- It's a good thing for more than one reason: eating closer to sleep times increases the likelihood that your body will store more of the food as fat instead of burning it off, and forcing your body to partition its efforts between restoraton and digestion compromises the quality of your sleep. Many people oversleep or wake up feeling unrested just because they ate too close to bedtime. It also increases the likelihood of needing bathroom trips during the night.

Edit: It may be helpful here to avoid eating carb-rich foods at dinnertime, since those foods have a tendency to give people a nice burst of energy, but then quickly leave them hungry again, increasing the chances that they will go for a nighttime snack. Eat more protein than carbs at dinner so that you won't lay awake feeling that special gnawing carb-induced 'hungry'.

Edited by Duchykins, 13 February 2014 - 08:22 PM.

[mait]

If I take noopept at the mourning my working memory gets hammered. For this reason I have been taking noopept right before bed with melatonin and falling a sleep and staying a sleep haven't been compromised.

[noopept-user-123]

It's pretty common for people taking the racetams and related noots to not take them past the afternoon because they would otherwise interfere with their sleeping patterns.


I have found this to be true with my phenylpiracetam and noopept, if I take either past 4pm, I will be more alert and 'thinking' than normal around bedtime, which for me is around midnight. It's never interfered with the efficacy of my nightly dose of Ambien, though, nor did my sleep quality seem reduced.


I can give you a quick review of all the sleep aids I've tried over the years, the ones I remember anyway:


Lunesta (rx) - Also known as "lunasties" due to the metallic taste it would cause in your mouth, even into the morning hours after waking up. Did not consistently put me to sleep either. Ditched it after a week.

Valerian root - This was interesting. It did gently encourage me to relax, but I would still have trouble going to sleep before dawn and when I did sleep, I would oversleep and I have disturbing dreams that left me in a near panic. Another one bites the dust.

Bacopa - Relaxing and had gentle nootropic advantages. Made my tummy gurgle a bit but no big deal. Unfortunately I had to quit this because of its tendency to trigger migraines. Sucks.

Melatonin - This made me feel like I had restless leg syndrome. It was torturously annoying and kept me awake. Also made my body feel heavy for a long time which I did not like. Byebye.

Benedryl - Similar to melatonin, and one time I was losing my mind from lack of sleep and kept dosing periodically until my heart started flipping out and my breathing was feeling very depressed. When I went to the hospital because I thought I had stupidly killed myself, the doc laughed at me and said 'people can't overdose on benedryl'. Okay, I deserved that.

5-htp - I hear some people have success with this as a sleep aid. Serotonin keeps me awake but not in a bad way. I use 5-htp for other purposes and I like it, but I take it irregularly as it is unknown whether using it daily is wise.

Theanine - On its own, has effects similar to 5-htp, I'm awale but nicely calmed, not annoyed at being awake. However if paired with Ambien it enhances the effects of Ambien.

Taurine - Very gentle and would be good to stack with some other sleep aid, as it is calming but typically does not sedate people into being sleepy, drowsy and can therefore be taken any time during the day.

Chamomile/lemon balm/lavender - Meh.

Exercising and breathing exercises - Good for many but not quite enough to put me to sleep, so I can't speak to sleep quality. I think the obvious answer here is that these are both good things.

There's others I can't remember right now. Anyways I'm on practically a lifetime supply of Ambien now because it's the most consistent with the least negative side effects. I notice a lot of people giving bad reports on Ambien, but those reports tend to be accompanied with other shit you should not do when taking Ambien, making it very obvious that most people are not reading much about the drug BEFORE taking it.

Never to go bed with food or a bunch of water in your stomach. Ambien is cool for me here because it forces me to have a two hour gap between food and sleep and makes me plan ahead, otherwise the Ambien's efficacy will be compromised. -- It's a good thing for more than one reason: eating closer to sleep times increases the likelihood that your body will store more of the food as fat instead of burning it off, and forcing your body to partition its efforts between restoraton and digestion compromises the quality of your sleep. Many people oversleep or wake up feeling unrested just because they ate too close to bedtime. It also increases the likelihood of needing bathroom trips during the night.

Edit: It may be helpful here to avoid eating carb-rich foods at dinnertime, since those foods have a tendency to give people a nice burst of energy, but then quickly leave them hungry again, increasing the chances that they will go for a nighttime snack. Eat more protein than carbs at dinner so that you won't lay awake feeling that special gnawing carb-induced 'hungry'.

Gosh, thanks for the essay! Did you take phenylpiracetam or something to help you with this long post?

I avoid ambien because if you can't fall asleep then everything becomes confusing and restless.

How would you compare Phenylpiracetam to the Noopept? I noticed phenyl develops tolerance way too quick. Do you think Noopept could replace the phenyl for keeping focused/motivated/productive? Does noopept have the same effects on sleep as phenylpiracetam, or is it slightly less likely to cause insomnia than phenyl?

[Duchykins]

It's pretty common for people taking the racetams and related noots to not take them past the afternoon because they would otherwise interfere with their sleeping patterns.


I have found this to be true with my phenylpiracetam and noopept, if I take either past 4pm, I will be more alert and 'thinking' than normal around bedtime, which for me is around midnight. It's never interfered with the efficacy of my nightly dose of Ambien, though, nor did my sleep quality seem reduced.


I can give you a quick review of all the sleep aids I've tried over the years, the ones I remember anyway:


Lunesta (rx) - Also known as "lunasties" due to the metallic taste it would cause in your mouth, even into the morning hours after waking up. Did not consistently put me to sleep either. Ditched it after a week.

Valerian root - This was interesting. It did gently encourage me to relax, but I would still have trouble going to sleep before dawn and when I did sleep, I would oversleep and I have disturbing dreams that left me in a near panic. Another one bites the dust.

Bacopa - Relaxing and had gentle nootropic advantages. Made my tummy gurgle a bit but no big deal. Unfortunately I had to quit this because of its tendency to trigger migraines. Sucks.

Melatonin - This made me feel like I had restless leg syndrome. It was torturously annoying and kept me awake. Also made my body feel heavy for a long time which I did not like. Byebye.

Benedryl - Similar to melatonin, and one time I was losing my mind from lack of sleep and kept dosing periodically until my heart started flipping out and my breathing was feeling very depressed. When I went to the hospital because I thought I had stupidly killed myself, the doc laughed at me and said 'people can't overdose on benedryl'. Okay, I deserved that.

5-htp - I hear some people have success with this as a sleep aid. Serotonin keeps me awake but not in a bad way. I use 5-htp for other purposes and I like it, but I take it irregularly as it is unknown whether using it daily is wise.

Theanine - On its own, has effects similar to 5-htp, I'm awale but nicely calmed, not annoyed at being awake. However if paired with Ambien it enhances the effects of Ambien.

Taurine - Very gentle and would be good to stack with some other sleep aid, as it is calming but typically does not sedate people into being sleepy, drowsy and can therefore be taken any time during the day.

Chamomile/lemon balm/lavender - Meh.

Exercising and breathing exercises - Good for many but not quite enough to put me to sleep, so I can't speak to sleep quality. I think the obvious answer here is that these are both good things.

There's others I can't remember right now. Anyways I'm on practically a lifetime supply of Ambien now because it's the most consistent with the least negative side effects. I notice a lot of people giving bad reports on Ambien, but those reports tend to be accompanied with other shit you should not do when taking Ambien, making it very obvious that most people are not reading much about the drug BEFORE taking it.

Never to go bed with food or a bunch of water in your stomach. Ambien is cool for me here because it forces me to have a two hour gap between food and sleep and makes me plan ahead, otherwise the Ambien's efficacy will be compromised. -- It's a good thing for more than one reason: eating closer to sleep times increases the likelihood that your body will store more of the food as fat instead of burning it off, and forcing your body to partition its efforts between restoraton and digestion compromises the quality of your sleep. Many people oversleep or wake up feeling unrested just because they ate too close to bedtime. It also increases the likelihood of needing bathroom trips during the night.

Edit: It may be helpful here to avoid eating carb-rich foods at dinnertime, since those foods have a tendency to give people a nice burst of energy, but then quickly leave them hungry again, increasing the chances that they will go for a nighttime snack. Eat more protein than carbs at dinner so that you won't lay awake feeling that special gnawing carb-induced 'hungry'.

Gosh, thanks for the essay! Did you take phenylpiracetam or something to help you with this long post?

I avoid ambien because if you can't fall asleep then everything becomes confusing and restless.

How would you compare Phenylpiracetam to the Noopept? I noticed phenyl develops tolerance way too quick. Do you think Noopept could replace the phenyl for keeping focused/motivated/productive? Does noopept have the same effects on sleep as phenylpiracetam, or is it slightly less likely to cause insomnia than phenyl?

Hahah. I've always had a tendency to be long-winded with the written language.

The phenyl is alright, fast acting, but I've made the decision to take it for specific tasks only since it exacerbates my tendency to focus too much on one interesting thing and neglect other important shit I should be doing. I can get overly technical. I am still unsure about what it does with my emotions, perhaps not a good thing since I am already a little too emotionally detached and analytical-logic-minded. I was more willing to speak out loud, which was a good thing. I think this is one that should be cycled, at least for me. It does have some stimulatory effects which may not be so awesome for regular use.

Noopept is pretty cool, I hear some people prefer to cycle it so they can always 'feel' it but then I've also seen some small evidence that taking it regularly can produce a long-term beneficial effect in your brain chemistry - so it seems possible that the people who cycle it are not getting the full effect of the drug. Noopept did make me be more social, though, which is very good. I don't take noots to feel good, I want to be healed. I'm still in my noopept trial right now though so I can't comment further on it.

One of my primary goals is to be more socially relaxed and willing to speak. Coluracetam and oxiracetam are on my list of noots to get next, whenever New Star gets colur back in stock, grr.


I also have some sunifiram which I intend to try later. I'm kind of scared of it though, but I'll still try it after I cycle off the other stuff.

[noopept-user-123]

It's pretty common for people taking the racetams and related noots to not take them past the afternoon because they would otherwise interfere with their sleeping patterns.


I have found this to be true with my phenylpiracetam and noopept, if I take either past 4pm, I will be more alert and 'thinking' than normal around bedtime, which for me is around midnight. It's never interfered with the efficacy of my nightly dose of Ambien, though, nor did my sleep quality seem reduced.


I can give you a quick review of all the sleep aids I've tried over the years, the ones I remember anyway:


Lunesta (rx) - Also known as "lunasties" due to the metallic taste it would cause in your mouth, even into the morning hours after waking up. Did not consistently put me to sleep either. Ditched it after a week.

Valerian root - This was interesting. It did gently encourage me to relax, but I would still have trouble going to sleep before dawn and when I did sleep, I would oversleep and I have disturbing dreams that left me in a near panic. Another one bites the dust.

Bacopa - Relaxing and had gentle nootropic advantages. Made my tummy gurgle a bit but no big deal. Unfortunately I had to quit this because of its tendency to trigger migraines. Sucks.

Melatonin - This made me feel like I had restless leg syndrome. It was torturously annoying and kept me awake. Also made my body feel heavy for a long time which I did not like. Byebye.

Benedryl - Similar to melatonin, and one time I was losing my mind from lack of sleep and kept dosing periodically until my heart started flipping out and my breathing was feeling very depressed. When I went to the hospital because I thought I had stupidly killed myself, the doc laughed at me and said 'people can't overdose on benedryl'. Okay, I deserved that.

5-htp - I hear some people have success with this as a sleep aid. Serotonin keeps me awake but not in a bad way. I use 5-htp for other purposes and I like it, but I take it irregularly as it is unknown whether using it daily is wise.

Theanine - On its own, has effects similar to 5-htp, I'm awale but nicely calmed, not annoyed at being awake. However if paired with Ambien it enhances the effects of Ambien.

Taurine - Very gentle and would be good to stack with some other sleep aid, as it is calming but typically does not sedate people into being sleepy, drowsy and can therefore be taken any time during the day.

Chamomile/lemon balm/lavender - Meh.

Exercising and breathing exercises - Good for many but not quite enough to put me to sleep, so I can't speak to sleep quality. I think the obvious answer here is that these are both good things.

There's others I can't remember right now. Anyways I'm on practically a lifetime supply of Ambien now because it's the most consistent with the least negative side effects. I notice a lot of people giving bad reports on Ambien, but those reports tend to be accompanied with other shit you should not do when taking Ambien, making it very obvious that most people are not reading much about the drug BEFORE taking it.

Never to go bed with food or a bunch of water in your stomach. Ambien is cool for me here because it forces me to have a two hour gap between food and sleep and makes me plan ahead, otherwise the Ambien's efficacy will be compromised. -- It's a good thing for more than one reason: eating closer to sleep times increases the likelihood that your body will store more of the food as fat instead of burning it off, and forcing your body to partition its efforts between restoraton and digestion compromises the quality of your sleep. Many people oversleep or wake up feeling unrested just because they ate too close to bedtime. It also increases the likelihood of needing bathroom trips during the night.

Edit: It may be helpful here to avoid eating carb-rich foods at dinnertime, since those foods have a tendency to give people a nice burst of energy, but then quickly leave them hungry again, increasing the chances that they will go for a nighttime snack. Eat more protein than carbs at dinner so that you won't lay awake feeling that special gnawing carb-induced 'hungry'.

Gosh, thanks for the essay! Did you take phenylpiracetam or something to help you with this long post?

I avoid ambien because if you can't fall asleep then everything becomes confusing and restless.

How would you compare Phenylpiracetam to the Noopept? I noticed phenyl develops tolerance way too quick. Do you think Noopept could replace the phenyl for keeping focused/motivated/productive? Does noopept have the same effects on sleep as phenylpiracetam, or is it slightly less likely to cause insomnia than phenyl?

Hahah. I've always had a tendency to be long-winded with the written language.

The phenyl is alright, fast acting, but I've made the decision to take it for specific tasks only since it exacerbates my tendency to focus too much on one interesting thing and neglect other important shit I should be doing. I can get overly technical. I am still unsure about what it does with my emotions, perhaps not a good thing since I am already a little too emotionally detached and analytical-logic-minded. I was more willing to speak out loud, which was a good thing. I think this is one that should be cycled, at least for me. It does have some stimulatory effects which may not be so awesome for regular use.

Noopept is pretty cool, I hear some people prefer to cycle it so they can always 'feel' it but then I've also seen some small evidence that taking it regularly can produce a long-term beneficial effect in your brain chemistry - so it seems possible that the people who cycle it are not getting the full effect of the drug. Noopept did make me be more social, though, which is very good. I don't take noots to feel good, I want to be healed. I'm still in my noopept trial right now though so I can't comment further on it.

One of my primary goals is to be more socially relaxed and willing to speak. Coluracetam and oxiracetam are on my list of noots to get next, whenever New Star gets colur back in stock, grr.


I also have some sunifiram which I intend to try later. I'm kind of scared of it though, but I'll still try it after I cycle off the other stuff.

any experience with liftmode phenylpiracetam and noopept? where do you get yours from?

i think i received a bunk batch of lift mode phenylpiracetam because it was tan colored and i read that it is supposed to be white

[Duchykins]

I *almost* got phenylpiracetam from Liftmode, until I read a review on Amazon that someone got shipped something that was supposed to be taurine but wasn't (I was also considering their taurine), and then there's the part where some of the positive reviews are kind of suspicious.

I got my noots from New Star. They're pretty cool, and you get free shipping over $25. The prices are reasonable. Your phenyl should be white. Everything I got from New Star is white, only coluracetam I hear is supposed to be a light cream color. I'm waiting for them to restock coluracetam hahahah I won't buy it from another vendor even though a few others have some in stock because colur is rarish and some people have been getting fake colur from other vendors.

Edited by Duchykins, 15 February 2014 - 05:32 PM.