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[LexLux]

Natural antioxidants from in foods are associated with a reduction in cancer risk, wheras the same can not be said about supplements like vitamin A E and C.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvodHKXH0XU

M. Serafini, P. Jakszyn, L. Luján-Barroso, A. Agudo, H. B. Bueno-de-Mesquita, F. J. B. van Duijnhoven, M. Jenab, C. Navarro, D. Palli, H. Boeing, P. Wallström, S. Regnér, M. E. Numans, F. Carneiro, M.-C. Boutron-Ruault, F. Clavel-Chapelon, S. Morois, S. Grioni, S. Panico, R. Tumino, C. Sacerdote, J. R. Quirós, E. Molina-Montes, J. M. H. Casta~no, A. Barricarte, P. Amiano, K.-T. Khaw, N. Wareham, N. E. Allen, T. J. Key, S. M. Jeurnink, P. H. M. Peeters, C. Bamia, E. Valanou, A. Trichopoulou, R. Kaaks, A. Lukanova, M. M. Bergmann, B. Lindkvist, R. Stenling, I. Johansson, C. C. Dahm, K. Overvad, M. Jensen, A. Olsen, A. Tjonneland, E. Lund, S. Rinaldi, D. Michaud, T. Mouw, E. Riboli, C. A. González. Dietary total antioxidant capacity and gastric cancer risk in the European prospective investigation into cancer and nutrition study. Int. J. Cancer 2012 131(4):E544 - 54.

M. J. Thomson, V. Puntmann, J.-C. Kaski. Atherosclerosis and oxidant stress: The end of the road for antioxidant vitamin treatment? Cardiovasc Drugs Ther 2007 21(3):195 - 210.

The benefits may not come from the antioxidants themselves, but rather from other bioactive compounds that cause our bodies to do certain things.An elegant experiment is described in which the blood of those eating different types of spices such as cloves, ginger, rosemary, and turmeric is tested for anti-inflammatory capacity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXnMi6RE0B4

S. S. Percival, J. P. V. Heuvel, C. J. Nieves, C. Montero, A. J. Migliaccio, J. Meadors. Bioavailability of herbs and spices in humans as determined by ex vivo inflammatory suppression and DNA strand breaks. J Am Coll Nutr. 2012 31(4):288 - 294.

B. B. Aggarwal, S. C. Gupta, B. Sung. Curcumin: An orally bioavailable blocker of TNF and other pro-inflammatory biomarkers. Br. J. Pharmacol. 2013 169(8):1672 - 1692.

Increased DNA protection

http://nutritionfact...dna-protection/

S. S. Percival, J. P. V. Heuvel, C. J. Nieves, C. Montero, A. J. Migliaccio, J. Meadors. Bioavailability of Herbs and Spices in Humans as Determined by ex vivo Inflammatory Suppression and DNA Strand Breaks. J Am Coll Nutr. 2012 31(4):288 - 294.

B. B. Aggarwal, S. C. Gupta, B. Sung. Curcumin: An orally bioavailable blocker of TNF and other pro-inflammatory biomarkers. Br. J. Pharmacol. 2013 169(8):1672 - 1692.

Indian gooseberries (amla), an important plant in Ayurvedic medicine, may have anti-cancer properties, as well as cough-, fever-, pain-, stress-, and diarrhea-suppressing effects. These have huge amounts of antioxidants; again these findings blow isolated vitamin C away. Even though the berry is said to contain that vitamin, it also contains countless analogues of it. The natural antioxidant package with thousands of other phytochemicals is simply superior. As the saying goes, you can't bottle nature, or at least we have long way to go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49PMkTQJLKo

Carlsen MH, Halvorsen BL, Holte K, Bøhn SK, Dragland S, Sampson L, Willey C, Senoo H, Umezono Y, Sanada C, Barikmo I, Berhe N, Willett WC, Phillips KM, Jacobs DR Jr, Blomhoff R. The total antioxidant content of more than 3100 foods, beverages, spices, herbs and supplements used worldwide. Nutr J. 2010 Jan 22;9:3.

Baliga MS, Dsouza JJ. Amla (Emblica officinalis Gaertn), a wonder berry in the treatment and prevention of cancer. Eur J Cancer Prev. 2011 May;20(3):225-39.

Ngamkitidechakul C, Jaijoy K, Hansakul P, Soonthornchareonnon N, Sireeratawong S. Antitumour effects of Phyllanthus emblica L.: induction of cancer cell apoptosis and inhibition of in vivo tumour promotion and in vitro invasion of human cancer cells. Phytother Res. 2010 Sep;24(9):1405-13.

See http://nutritionfacts.org/ for more great videos citing the newest studies. He's not selling anything!

Edited by LexLux, 21 February 2014 - 05:16 PM.

[timar]

See http://nutritionfacts.org/ for more great videos citing the newest studies. He's not selling anything!

Except for veganism.

Don't get my wrong, I really admire Dr. Greger, he is doing tremendous work on nutritionfacts.org. He is clearly on a mission, though. As long as he deals with the beneficial effects of plant foods he is pretty objective. When it comes to the alleged dangers of animal foods however, it is mostly vegan propaganda.

[LexLux]

It would only be propaganda if it wasnt based on science. You are derailing the thread, which is about anti-oxidants in food. Yes, unfortunately there are none worth mentioning from meat. Ok? Why don't you start a thread about how eating meat and cheese helps fight cancer...Do you know how difficult it is to make meat look good? A huge amount of medicine is based on plants rather than meat for a good reason imo. He backs up his words with relevant studies. You also haven't even addressed any of these studies cited in the video.

The beef, dairy and poultry industries actually do have food to sell you, so listening to them could be ignoring a clear conflict of interest. They actaully do pay for hire labs to carry out studies on their products, but have a close look at how these are actually conducted before you just believe what is added into magazines by PR firms.

Livestock farming has given us jokob-kreuzfeld, anti-biotic resistant salmonella, arsenic fed to chicken to keep them free of parasites and the list just goes on. With the world overpopulated as it is, I find it slightly odd that a someone on an immortality forum would be so against vegans. How are we going to feed that many immortals when raising animals for food requires massive amounts of land, food, and energy. Why do people think we should not also hear arguments for plant based diet when there are clearly issues that raise this as a valid topic?

Anyways, that is not what this thread was meant to be about.

Edited by LexLux, 21 February 2014 - 07:13 PM.

[timar]

I think your response to my brief remark is pretty much over the top - which is quite telling regarding your own biases. I'm not opposed to a plant-based diet at all. I am opposed though, to turning nutrition into an ideology, be it vegan, raw-food, paleo, low-carb or whatever.

As I've said, I agree with you that Dr. Greger provides great and mostly accurate information on the benefits of plant foods.

Edited by timar, 21 February 2014 - 08:33 PM.

[LexLux]

Timar, you said yourself that Dr Greger is accurate, I have the same view. The studies I posted are in fact useful for people on this site whether they are vegan or not.

I would say that its irrational to think a vegan diet is bad because you perceive it to be something 'religous'. After all making up your mind based on evidence is scientific, not religous.

So I'm guessing you have not restricted your diet at all since that would be religous?

Edited by LexLux, 22 February 2014 - 04:41 AM.

[joelcairo]

Dude, he never said a vegan diet is bad. Quite the opposite. Also he never used the word religious. He said "ideology", which is something quite different, and which based on your reaction seems to be a quite accurate description.

[LexLux]

Dude, he never said a vegan diet is bad. Quite the opposite. Also he never used the word religious. He said "ideology", which is something quite different, and which based on your reaction seems to be a quite accurate description.

makes no difference for the purpose of the post anyways. Its not an ideology, some people act based on evidence and some dont. Im guessing he would like to ignore the studies showing the downsides to meat inlcuding: the carnatine/choline TMAO connection, anarchonic acid, high methionine and cancer, mercury and dioxins in fish, cholesterol and heart disease/inflammation, arsenic in chicken etc.

Greger has a point about meat. Just because you don't like doesnt make it any less true.

Been vegan for 6 months now and will change my diet as soon as evidence persuades me.

Edited by LexLux, 22 February 2014 - 06:17 AM.