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[aconita]

Both solvents and cold pressing extraction methods are employed, cold pressing yields less oil than solvent extraction.

 

No mess with grinding, in the coffee grinder it takes few seconds without any extensive labor whatsoever.

 

http://www.sciencedi...658077X13000507

[resveratrol_guy]

I am not an expert about Gerson therapy, I have got a few books but never found the time to really read them.

 

What I know is that it claims to be a cure for most cancers and pancreatic cancer is one that seems to respond relatively well to it (if taken in early enough stages, which unfortunately seldom is the case).

 

My reasoning is that since most cancers are asymptomatic in the early stages (pancreatic been one of those) a couple of runs a year on Gerson diet may fix things we are not aware of yet before it becomes too late, in other words if something nasty is about to develop maybe it will be stopped on its track, in that sense it may be used as a preventative. 

 

It is just a suggestion, an idea that may be worth looking at for those particularly concerned, I will not suggest to use Gerson therapy as a nutritional everyday habit.

 

I don't suggest Gerson therapy as a sure cure or preventative for cancer but rather that it is worth some attention since it cost nothing, it will not be anything particularly difficult or uncomfortable and it seems backed up by a good amount of clinical evidence.

 

As someone who has been drinking an awful lot of fructose-rich juice in recent months, I can definitely attest that Gerson is on the right track so far as feeling healthy is concerned, fructose notwithstanding. I've seen low quality evidence to the effect that it is, overall, effective at preventing, or sometimes treating, cancer relative to its cost. That said, the best data I encountered was from a Japanese team who claimed it to be 50% effective at shrinking liver tumors. The problem is that Charlotte Gerson is blindly optimistic about the therapy, to an extent which, I think, only alienates others in the field who might otherwise take it more seriously. Her claimed cure rates are ridiculous, and she gives the impression that only strict adherence is effective, which can't possibly be true, because vegetables don't work that way.

 

 

My view is that, unless perhaps someone can look up the Japanese study (which I heard of only second hand), we have no useful data on this at all, apart from the compelling observation that longterm juicers seem to be in outstanding health. By the way, the coffee enemas used in Gerson therapy, which obviously are not a part of standard juice diets, are designed to dilate the portal vein to the liver in order to drain posttoxic metabolites into the digestive system for excretion. Personally, I don't buy it, absent evidence that it works.

 

Also, Gerson therapy -- even juicing -- costs anywhere from hundreds to thousands of dollars a month. Personally, I've made the decision that I'd rather go with inferior grocery store juice than homemade organic, simply because the cost savings can be put toward supplements that actually work, like Nigella, for example.

 

 

This 2014 YouTube interview with her goes into some of the issues we're discussing here. Notably, she mentions that her pancreatic cure rate is high, except when chemo has already been given. The implication obviously is that chemo somehow degrades healing ability, which is probably true, but I think the real reason is that chemo indicates later stage cancer, against which Gerson is quite useless.

 

I think you have an interesting thread about potassium ascorbate. It sounds like it would complement 3-bromopyruvate against various cancers, possibly including pancreatic, although it would be nice to see some data sets. It's also worth noting that lemonade, as used in the original anecdote, contains limonene, a promising anticarcinogen. (I've eaten many lemon peels, personally, after washing with soap, for exactly this reason.)

 

If you really want to shut down pancreatic cancer, IGF1 gene therapy might be a better idea...

[fntms]

Why not use Nigella sativa oil directly? It can be found as a supplement or (much cheaper) at your local Arabic food shop. I take 2x 500mg (about 2x0.5ml) per day and it seems to help with inflammation and pain from arthritis. I will take just 500mg per day after a while, for cancer prevention.

In principle I think this is a better plan than messing around with tiny seeds at the cost of extensive labor. But what's the solvent used to extract it? Hexane? Ethyl acetate? Who knows? How much is left in the oil?

The oil I buy is cold pressed, no chemicals. I wouldn't think this is an extracted oil, just pressed.

[resveratrol_guy]

 

 

Why not use Nigella sativa oil directly? It can be found as a supplement or (much cheaper) at your local Arabic food shop. I take 2x 500mg (about 2x0.5ml) per day and it seems to help with inflammation and pain from arthritis. I will take just 500mg per day after a while, for cancer prevention.

In principle I think this is a better plan than messing around with tiny seeds at the cost of extensive labor. But what's the solvent used to extract it? Hexane? Ethyl acetate? Who knows? How much is left in the oil?

The oil I buy is cold pressed, no chemicals. I wouldn't think this is an extracted oil, just pressed.

 

 

Interesting. What's the brand?

[fntms]

One bottle is labelled in Arabic, from a local shop, and the other I bought on an EU website (I can give the name by pm). I have bought pills from iherb as well in the past, but these are much more expensive of course. The cheapest source is from a local Arabic herbs shop, about 15euros for 250ml. They also carry what looks like actual snake oil but I haven't looked into this yet!

[resveratrol_guy]

One bottle is labelled in Arabic, from a local shop, and the other I bought on an EU website (I can give the name by pm). I have bought pills from iherb as well in the past, but these are much more expensive of course. The cheapest source is from a local Arabic herbs shop, about 15euros for 250ml. They also carry what looks like actual snake oil but I haven't looked into this yet!

 

Sounds quite artisanal. I guess, in this case, the only good answer is to buy one of these niche brands and pay up for a lab analysis, testing for claimed ingredients as well as likely extraction solvents.
 

[aconita]

In Germany there is at least one producer/seller on eBay for legit cold pressed Nigella oil.

 

http://stores.ebay.d...=p2047675.l2563

[Hebbeh]

http://www.swansonvi... cumin seed oil

 

This is the cold pressed I've been using for some time now:

 

http://www.swansonvi...-8-fl-oz-liquid

 

Amazing Herbs Black Seed 100% Pure Cold-Pressed Black Cumin Seed Oil

• Cold-pressed black cumin seed oil

• Solvent and alcohol free

[resveratrol_guy]

This novel approach uses an in situ dissolvable patch to deliver highly concentrated chemotherapy directly to the tumor, instead of relying on the vascular system to deliver it to a tumor which is typically avascular, while poisoning the patient in the process. We're only at the animal testing stage, but at least, it's progress. It's great to see researchers taking the real risks with their careers which must be taken if we're to beat this thing. There is actually some hope, if you look at the breast cancer survival line in the video.

 

http://www.ted.com/t...ncreatic_cancer

 

[shifter]

The problem with cancers like this is they develop without any symptoms and are only noticed once it is far too late. Given their development takes years, couldn't someone have a yearly scan that could detect this? How much could be revealed with a simple blood test? Even a non invasive IR scan of your body might highlight problem areas for further investigation (although I wouldn't rely on it as a sole method)