110 replies to this topic

[mikey]

Has anyone taken endoluten?  I cant find a single testimonial on the web

 

 

I have taken it. It appears to work slightly better than subq epitalon for my age-group, according to a table called "The influence of pineal gland preparations on telomere length in patients' blood cells" which can be seen in http://www.khavinson.info/research/peptides-genome-ageing

 

AND I prefer to use oral preps rather than have to inject.

 

I couldn't figure out quickly how to reproduce the table itself here, but it sums up like this.

  

For 60-66 year olds:

Epithalamin increased telomere length 16.2%.
Epitalon increased telomere length 11.56%.

Endoluten increased telomere length 12.6%.

 

For 75-80 year olds:

Epithalamin increased telomere length 19.09%.
Epitalon increased telomere length 18.6%.

Endoluten increased telomere length 13.49%.

 

To be clear, ephithalamin is the injectable, highly purified to eliminate prions, etc...compound that is derived from young animal pineal glands. Khavinson's data show that it does considerably more for such things as telomeres than the synthetic version, that is epitalon, thus one wonders that the other natural components in the natural epithalamin don't lend activity. 

 

Also worth noting is that Russia stopped allowing foreigners from buying epithalamin, because there is a limited supply and they reserve it for their seniors.

 

I've seen benefits with epitalon, N-acetyl epitalon, etc... but I do wish that I had access to real epithalamin.

 

 

Edited by mikey, 30 April 2017 - 07:06 PM.

[Andey]

 

Has anyone taken endoluten?  I cant find a single testimonial on the web

 

 

I have taken it. It appears to work slightly better than subq epitalon for my age-group, according to a table called "The influence of pineal gland preparations on telomere length in patients' blood cells" which can be seen in http://www.khavinson.info/research/peptides-genome-ageing

 

AND I prefer to use oral preps rather than have to inject.

 

I couldn't figure out quickly how to reproduce the table itself here, but it sums up like this.

  

For 60-66 year olds:

Epithalamin increased telomere length 16.2%.
Epitalon increased telomere length 11.56%.

Endoluten increased telomere length 12.6%.

 

For 75-80 year olds:

Epithalamin increased telomere length 19.09%.
Epitalon increased telomere length 18.6%.

Endoluten increased telomere length 13.49%.

 

To be clear, ephithalamin is the injectable, highly purified to eliminate prions, etc...compound that is derived from young animal pineal glands. Khavinson's data show that it does considerably more for such things as telomeres than the synthetic version, that is epitalon, thus one wonders that the other natural components in the natural epithalamin don't lend activity. 

 

Also worth noting is that Russia stopped allowing foreigners from buying epithalamin, because there is a limited supply and they reserve it for their seniors.

 

I've seen benefits with epitalon, N-acetyl epitalon, etc... but I do wish that I had access to real epithalamin.

 

 

  Just to clarify - epithalamin is not available in Russia also. They dont prolong permissions for all non sterile injectable substances from animal origin. I think you dont want to inject it - prions etc, especially if they dont have dedicated farms and use material from common butchery.  In Russia Khavinson institute use MLM type of sales and they have very sketchy reputation.  

 

 I dont want to discredit anything, its just a bit of information to consider. I myself have decided to be on a safer side on bought syntetic Epitalone from Ceretropic

[mikey]

The Russian lied to you. Pivitol Biosciences and Matthew Walker are real.

 

They undercharge IAS because IAS is, in my opinion, a rip-off, with very high profit margins, that serves rich people/Westerners.

 

PB is trying to make peptide bioregulators available to people that aren't rich, so they keep their profit margin very low. They're altruists. IAS is a typical rich people's vendor. 

 

I know, because I know what the margins are for what IAS sells and I know how PB calculates their margin.  

 

I actually told Matthew that PB should raise its margin just a little so that PB could afford more staff, as Matthew is grossly overloaded in his work time.

 

I hope that this exchange is over.

 

Peace!

 

 

 

It looks like I have to spell things out in simple terms, since you seem to be unwilling/unable to connect all the dots.

PB are not into marketing (yet), which is why they have not set up a website. The owner, after all, is a university professor.

A university professor – of medicine – not only lectures, but also carries out experiments/trials.

To conduct a trial he needs subjects, whom he monitors very closely for feedback. So he will give everyone lots of care and attention.

In a properly conducted trial the subjects receive a sample which is in identical packaging so that no one knows who is getting the real deal, and who is getting the trial “pill”.

He has already shown his hand in sending you so many different samples of the same peptide.

But he is also very smart. What happens if any of the subjects suffer serious reactions – maybe even deceases?

Who will be held liable? This smart professor has covered his tracks very well – nobody seems to know who or where he is.

So, my friend, the last laugh, I think, is on you. I will pass on becoming one of his human lab rats.

 

 

Do you feel better now that you have had your rant?

Have you taken the time and effort to contact the Russian Institute, or are you interested only in ranting?

No, I am not on a mission; nor am I associated in any way with IAS. I am an independent individual. And I found this website only when I conducted a web search on "Russian peptide bioregulators". I did not necessarily research any other sites that came up in that search, as earlier posts on this thread pointed to PB as having a good price structure.

In fact, I was about to buy from PB but just wanted to check with the Russian Institute that their recommendations were the same as PB.

Also, The Director did mention NPCRIZ.

Now, as to the requirement for a business to register with ASIC. Where do you think the ABN number comes from? It is issued only when that entity registers with ASIC, and pays the prescribed fee each and every year! PB claims a physical address in Melbourne. It is selling product. It is required to register with ASIC. Any litigation against PB will fail because action can only proceed if taken against the owner, who in this case is not disclosed. Because PB has no registration with ASIC, it is trading illegally. So good luck in finding out just with whom you are dealing.

Matthew Walker claims that the owner of PB is a university professor in medicine. If that is so, he would have access to all the lab equipment there from where with the right equipment it is possible to determine the structure of any item. It would also explain the level of knowledge they have. But that does not guarantee that what they are selling is genuine.

And you still have not addressed the matter of why PB sent you 7 different samples of the same product. Does that not suggest that they are playing around with formulations? Simple logic says that 7 different samples just cannot be identical. Nor have you had any sample/item laboratory checked to determine its composition.  So how can you be sure that it is genuine? Ever thought that you might be an unwitting human guinea pig? Do you always judge a book by its cover, particularly in the world of the internet which abounds with crooks? Conmen are successful because they are very good at convincing others they are genuine.

Given that IAS's prices are high, has it never struck you as odd that PB's prices are about one third that of IAS? Sure, IAS might load their price, but really, three times greater than their competitor! Come on, now. If you are in the business world, surely you would know that such a large variation is sus.

Nor have you addressed the fact that PB does not have a landline phone number even though it claims to occupy office space in one of the most prestigious buildings in Melbourne CBD. It sports only a mobile phone number which, as I said earlier, is almost impossible to trace. Landlines, on the other hand, can be. So what are PB trying to hide? And who are you really dealing with?

Nor have you addressed the statement by the Director of the Institute that PB were sent samples for scientific collaboration, not clinical application. Does that not imply that PB have been underhanded if they are selling product? Where is their integrity?

You're on a mission, eh?

So you (sagit) joined this forum the same day you made your first post? And according to your mandatory intro post you "found this site by chance"? hahaha! sure you did.

And your first posts just happen to suggest the integrity of a long-time known supplier might be in question?

Should I just call you IAS?

Can YOU smell fraud?

If Pivotal were supplying non-genuine product, don't you think someone on this forum or elsewhere on the internet would already have posted to that effect sometime during the last couple of years?

Hell, I would have myself. I flocking loath jackass incompetent amateur inept suppliers and especially cheats. My mission on this forum is to get the absolute truth and the best quality.

 

But when I just searched this forum for any references to pivotal before writing the above, I found the following:

http://www.longecity...e-2#entry729466

Post #45 from poster Alin Samson in Luxembourg writes:

"contact mwalker@pivotalbioscience.com. They`re reliable and the stuff they are selling is the real deal."

 

I've purchased Peptide Bioregulators from IAS, then peptidesstore.com, then Pivotal Bioscience.

Products from each of them are identical in every way.

Who is peptidesstore.com then? Why didn't that 'Executive Director' woman you corresponded with at the St. Petersburg Institute also mention peptidesstore.com as well as IAS?

Since she didn't mention peptidesstore.com, then according to you they might be selling 'counterfeit' fake product, right?

I know for a fact that peptidesstore.com do not source from the St. Petersburg Institute. They source from the St. Petersburg Institute's biggest distributor called npcriz.ru

I know this because I asked them when I was ordering from them and then I confirmed it with npcriz.ru because I wanted surety that I was getting the genuine article.

 

Hang on, now there's not just another reseller (peptidesstore.com) but also an entire distributor (npcriz.ru) which the Executive director woman didn't tell you about?

H'mmm, I wonder why she wouldn't have mentioned npcriz.ru to you? NPCRIZ advise they are the oldest and biggest distributor for the St. Petersburg Institute.

Seems a lot dodgy and suspicious to me that she would have omitted to mention their biggest distributor and a well known reseller (peptidesstore.com).

I am absolutely certain peptidesstore.com, Pivotal Bioscience, and IAS are all selling genuine Peptide Bioregulators manufactured by the St. Petersburg Institute.

All their products are identical and they all have the same noticeable effect.

And that is all that matters.. whether they are genuine, not which distribution channel they have transited through.

 

and who are the following guys in South Africa?..

http://shop.biogenes...20-x-200mg.html

Another counterfeiter selling fake product in your opinion?

The Executive Director also didn't mention them so they must be selling fake products right?

Why don't you also try and find their ownership structure from their website? Good luck with that.

And how are you getting on finding out the ownership from their websites of Ceretropic, rui-products.com, and peptidesciences.com, three other trusted suppliers?

If you bother trying, I bet you get nowhere.

 

It is difficult finding good trustworthy suppliers of innovative products and research compounds.

When someone on the very day they register on this forum makes their first post and that post is suggesting a long time known trusted supplier might be suspect:

1. such behavior is suspect in itself

2. it wastes other peoples time in possibly checking things out/questioning them unnecessarily

 

I don't want my time to be wasted on being alarmed and possibly heading off on a wild goose chase based on what turns out to be unfounded poorly researched information.

 

Why don't you just man-up and write to Pivotal Bioscience and ask them about your queries?

That would be the best test of transparency and integrity to subject them to.

Then when you've got some concrete facts come back here and post.

 

Or, just instead just pay IAS $70 for 20 capsules, instead of $33 from Pivotal, if you're that precious about their ownership.

 

Also, you wrote:

"Any business/individual that conducts trade out of, or in, Australia, is required to register that business name with the Australian Securities and Investment Commission."

 

This is an outright lie, fabricated to support your story.

I know this for a fact because we export all over the world including to Australia, and we always carry out 'know your customer' checks, even if they are paying in advance.

In Australia, as in the UK and many countries, anyone can use any business trading name they like providing no one else has registered it.

Registering a business trading name is optional. You register a business trading name if you want to prevent others from using it.

 

The only registration which which is mandatory in Australia is something called an 'Australian Business Number' which is a unique number assigned to the legal entity carrying out the business.

But the name of the legal entity carrying out the business, and the public business name(s) used by it in the course of its day to day trading activities, can be completely different.

The 'Australian Business Number' of the legal entity carrying out the business must appear on the legal entity's Purchase Orders and Sales Invoices, which provides the connection back to the ownership.

 

If you dispute having lied about this, then post the link to the page of the Australian Securities and Investment Commission or HM Revenue/Inland Revenue (or equivalent) where is says Any business/individual that conducts trade out of, or in, Australia, is required to register that business name.

 

 

 

[shebacat]

How does someone in US get advice/direction on what peptides would help their health issues.  I have an undiagnosed disease/issue: debilitating fatigue, unrefreshing sleep, dysautonomia, chronic lower right jaw pain.  No regular medical treatments have helped at all.   Would like to try peptides but need guidance in what to take for my issues.  Anyone out there have any advice or ideas.

 

Thanks

[aribadabar]

 Pivitol Biosciences and Matthew Walker are real

 

Are they still?

 

I wrote them via the 3 email addresses posted in this thread for contact and receive no reply.

When was the last time you have ordered from them?

[mikey]

They are quite real, but they are having problems doing business. I don't know all the details. Maybe they are out of business.

[sagit]

1. Pivotalbiosciences and pivotlabioscience are two separate entities. They are not the same.

2. It is easy to make statements and not back them up with proof. Where's yours? Did you just talk only to "Matthew Walker" and not do any other due diligence checks on PB?

3. Have no argument about IAS being rip-ioffs.

4. Having done a comprehensive due diligence on pivotalbioscience, I stand by every statement that I have written.

5. Furthermore, I have had a friend who conducts business with a number of clients in 120 Collins St Melbourne building, check the tenant listing. There is no listing for pivotbiocience as a tenant. So even their address is fake.

Believe what you like. But beliefs are not necessarily truths.

 

The Russian lied to you. Pivitol Biosciences and Matthew Walker are real.

 

They undercharge IAS because IAS is, in my opinion, a rip-off, with very high profit margins, that serves rich people/Westerners.

 

PB is trying to make peptide bioregulators available to people that aren't rich, so they keep their profit margin very low. They're altruists. IAS is a typical rich people's vendor. 

 

I know, because I know what the margins are for what IAS sells and I know how PB calculates their margin.  

 

I actually told Matthew that PB should raise its margin just a little so that PB could afford more staff, as Matthew is grossly overloaded in his work time.

 

I hope that this exchange is over.

 

Peace!

 

 

 

It looks like I have to spell things out in simple terms, since you seem to be unwilling/unable to connect all the dots.

PB are not into marketing (yet), which is why they have not set up a website. The owner, after all, is a university professor.

A university professor – of medicine – not only lectures, but also carries out experiments/trials.

To conduct a trial he needs subjects, whom he monitors very closely for feedback. So he will give everyone lots of care and attention.

In a properly conducted trial the subjects receive a sample which is in identical packaging so that no one knows who is getting the real deal, and who is getting the trial “pill”.

He has already shown his hand in sending you so many different samples of the same peptide.

But he is also very smart. What happens if any of the subjects suffer serious reactions – maybe even deceases?

Who will be held liable? This smart professor has covered his tracks very well – nobody seems to know who or where he is.

So, my friend, the last laugh, I think, is on you. I will pass on becoming one of his human lab rats.

 

 

Do you feel better now that you have had your rant?

Have you taken the time and effort to contact the Russian Institute, or are you interested only in ranting?

No, I am not on a mission; nor am I associated in any way with IAS. I am an independent individual. And I found this website only when I conducted a web search on "Russian peptide bioregulators". I did not necessarily research any other sites that came up in that search, as earlier posts on this thread pointed to PB as having a good price structure.

In fact, I was about to buy from PB but just wanted to check with the Russian Institute that their recommendations were the same as PB.

Also, The Director did mention NPCRIZ.

Now, as to the requirement for a business to register with ASIC. Where do you think the ABN number comes from? It is issued only when that entity registers with ASIC, and pays the prescribed fee each and every year! PB claims a physical address in Melbourne. It is selling product. It is required to register with ASIC. Any litigation against PB will fail because action can only proceed if taken against the owner, who in this case is not disclosed. Because PB has no registration with ASIC, it is trading illegally. So good luck in finding out just with whom you are dealing.

Matthew Walker claims that the owner of PB is a university professor in medicine. If that is so, he would have access to all the lab equipment there from where with the right equipment it is possible to determine the structure of any item. It would also explain the level of knowledge they have. But that does not guarantee that what they are selling is genuine.

And you still have not addressed the matter of why PB sent you 7 different samples of the same product. Does that not suggest that they are playing around with formulations? Simple logic says that 7 different samples just cannot be identical. Nor have you had any sample/item laboratory checked to determine its composition.  So how can you be sure that it is genuine? Ever thought that you might be an unwitting human guinea pig? Do you always judge a book by its cover, particularly in the world of the internet which abounds with crooks? Conmen are successful because they are very good at convincing others they are genuine.

Given that IAS's prices are high, has it never struck you as odd that PB's prices are about one third that of IAS? Sure, IAS might load their price, but really, three times greater than their competitor! Come on, now. If you are in the business world, surely you would know that such a large variation is sus.

Nor have you addressed the fact that PB does not have a landline phone number even though it claims to occupy office space in one of the most prestigious buildings in Melbourne CBD. It sports only a mobile phone number which, as I said earlier, is almost impossible to trace. Landlines, on the other hand, can be. So what are PB trying to hide? And who are you really dealing with?

Nor have you addressed the statement by the Director of the Institute that PB were sent samples for scientific collaboration, not clinical application. Does that not imply that PB have been underhanded if they are selling product? Where is their integrity?

You're on a mission, eh?

So you (sagit) joined this forum the same day you made your first post? And according to your mandatory intro post you "found this site by chance"? hahaha! sure you did.

And your first posts just happen to suggest the integrity of a long-time known supplier might be in question?

Should I just call you IAS?

Can YOU smell fraud?

If Pivotal were supplying non-genuine product, don't you think someone on this forum or elsewhere on the internet would already have posted to that effect sometime during the last couple of years?

Hell, I would have myself. I flocking loath jackass incompetent amateur inept suppliers and especially cheats. My mission on this forum is to get the absolute truth and the best quality.

 

But when I just searched this forum for any references to pivotal before writing the above, I found the following:

http://www.longecity...e-2#entry729466

Post #45 from poster Alin Samson in Luxembourg writes:

"contact mwalker@pivotalbioscience.com. They`re reliable and the stuff they are selling is the real deal."

 

I've purchased Peptide Bioregulators from IAS, then peptidesstore.com, then Pivotal Bioscience.

Products from each of them are identical in every way.

Who is peptidesstore.com then? Why didn't that 'Executive Director' woman you corresponded with at the St. Petersburg Institute also mention peptidesstore.com as well as IAS?

Since she didn't mention peptidesstore.com, then according to you they might be selling 'counterfeit' fake product, right?

I know for a fact that peptidesstore.com do not source from the St. Petersburg Institute. They source from the St. Petersburg Institute's biggest distributor called npcriz.ru

I know this because I asked them when I was ordering from them and then I confirmed it with npcriz.ru because I wanted surety that I was getting the genuine article.

 

Hang on, now there's not just another reseller (peptidesstore.com) but also an entire distributor (npcriz.ru) which the Executive director woman didn't tell you about?

H'mmm, I wonder why she wouldn't have mentioned npcriz.ru to you? NPCRIZ advise they are the oldest and biggest distributor for the St. Petersburg Institute.

Seems a lot dodgy and suspicious to me that she would have omitted to mention their biggest distributor and a well known reseller (peptidesstore.com).

I am absolutely certain peptidesstore.com, Pivotal Bioscience, and IAS are all selling genuine Peptide Bioregulators manufactured by the St. Petersburg Institute.

All their products are identical and they all have the same noticeable effect.

And that is all that matters.. whether they are genuine, not which distribution channel they have transited through.

 

and who are the following guys in South Africa?..

http://shop.biogenes...20-x-200mg.html

Another counterfeiter selling fake product in your opinion?

The Executive Director also didn't mention them so they must be selling fake products right?

Why don't you also try and find their ownership structure from their website? Good luck with that.

And how are you getting on finding out the ownership from their websites of Ceretropic, rui-products.com, and peptidesciences.com, three other trusted suppliers?

If you bother trying, I bet you get nowhere.

 

It is difficult finding good trustworthy suppliers of innovative products and research compounds.

When someone on the very day they register on this forum makes their first post and that post is suggesting a long time known trusted supplier might be suspect:

1. such behavior is suspect in itself

2. it wastes other peoples time in possibly checking things out/questioning them unnecessarily

 

I don't want my time to be wasted on being alarmed and possibly heading off on a wild goose chase based on what turns out to be unfounded poorly researched information.

 

Why don't you just man-up and write to Pivotal Bioscience and ask them about your queries?

That would be the best test of transparency and integrity to subject them to.

Then when you've got some concrete facts come back here and post.

 

Or, just instead just pay IAS $70 for 20 capsules, instead of $33 from Pivotal, if you're that precious about their ownership.

 

Also, you wrote:

"Any business/individual that conducts trade out of, or in, Australia, is required to register that business name with the Australian Securities and Investment Commission."

 

This is an outright lie, fabricated to support your story.

I know this for a fact because we export all over the world including to Australia, and we always carry out 'know your customer' checks, even if they are paying in advance.

In Australia, as in the UK and many countries, anyone can use any business trading name they like providing no one else has registered it.

Registering a business trading name is optional. You register a business trading name if you want to prevent others from using it.

 

The only registration which which is mandatory in Australia is something called an 'Australian Business Number' which is a unique number assigned to the legal entity carrying out the business.

But the name of the legal entity carrying out the business, and the public business name(s) used by it in the course of its day to day trading activities, can be completely different.

The 'Australian Business Number' of the legal entity carrying out the business must appear on the legal entity's Purchase Orders and Sales Invoices, which provides the connection back to the ownership.

 

If you dispute having lied about this, then post the link to the page of the Australian Securities and Investment Commission or HM Revenue/Inland Revenue (or equivalent) where is says Any business/individual that conducts trade out of, or in, Australia, is required to register that business name.

 

 

 

 

[Why not!]

No one can actually be as naive and delusional as you pretend to be Sagit. You have ulterior motives which involve endeavouring to tarnish PB's credibility using defamation.
No one who uses such products can seriously expect that a business selling unregistered unconventional experimental alternative health products in an overregulated country like Australia, who is based there, to adver tise their full particulars. Sure, no problems if you're in Bangkok, but different story if you're in USA, Australia, EU, etc.
Selling such products in Australia, you expect them to have their actual trading name emblazoned on the tenant listing in the foyer?
In this scenario, only fools would have their actual trading name in the Tenant directory.

If you really believe all that as you say you do, then you are naively stupid, and have no idea or concept of this market.
But more likely, yours is all a ruse/story you've created because you're working for the competition and on a mission to defame PB.
Perhaps PB should instead rent an office in the same building as the FDA/TGA or Health Department, to make it even easier for them?

Why aren't you picking on Ceretropic and other trusted sources in the same way?
Here is Ceretropic's Contact Us page:
https://www.ceretropic.com/contact-us
NO address. NO phone number. They must be dodgy according to you.
But in fact, they have an excellent reputation.

And if you believe all that you've been suggesting, then you should not be using experimental/unregistered health products.
Go back to the pharmacy and buy your B complex vitamin.

You've done your DD you say? Part of any DD is to get first-hand information directly from the subject. But of course you haven't.
So, if you are a man, then start acting like one. Be upfront.
Ask PB about your queries directly yourself instead of publishing your defamatory hearsay here.

And, if you're using them, do keep paying $70 for 20 capsules of peptide bioregulators which every other sellers sells them for.
No one cares.

 

 

1. Pivotalbiosciences and pivotlabioscience are two separate entities. They are not the same.

2. It is easy to make statements and not back them up with proof. Where's yours? Did you just talk only to "Matthew Walker" and not do any other due diligence checks on PB?

3. Have no argument about IAS being rip-ioffs.

4. Having done a comprehensive due diligence on pivotalbioscience, I stand by every statement that I have written.

5. Furthermore, I have had a friend who conducts business with a number of clients in 120 Collins St Melbourne building, check the tenant listing. There is no listing for pivotbiocience as a tenant. So even their address is fake.

 

Edited by Why not!, 06 July 2017 - 02:37 PM.

[sagit]

This emotional outburst is not worthy of any response. And will get none from me.

Mate, it's your choice where you buy your products from. I was merely publishing the results of my DD. I really don't care if you, or anyone else, disagree with it. As I said, it's your choice. BTW, I don't pay an exorbitant price for my genuine peptides. Nor do I buy from PB.

If PB want to challenge what I have posted they are at liberty to post their rebuttal on this thread.

 

No one can actually be as naive and delusional as you pretend to be Sagit. You have ulterior motives which involve endeavouring to tarnish PB's credibility using defamation.
No one who uses such products can seriously expect that a business selling unregistered unconventional experimental alternative health products in an overregulated country like Australia, who is based there, to adver tise their full particulars. Sure, no problems if you're in Bangkok, but different story if you're in USA, Australia, EU, etc.
Selling such products in Australia, you expect them to have their actual trading name emblazoned on the tenant listing in the foyer?
In this scenario, only fools would have their actual trading name in the Tenant directory.

If you really believe all that as you say you do, then you are naively stupid, and have no idea or concept of this market.
But more likely, yours is all a ruse/story you've created because you're working for the competition and on a mission to defame PB.
Perhaps PB should instead rent an office in the same building as the FDA/TGA or Health Department, to make it even easier for them?

Why aren't you picking on Ceretropic and other trusted sources in the same way?
Here is Ceretropic's Contact Us page:
https://www.ceretropic.com/contact-us
NO address. NO phone number. They must be dodgy according to you.
But in fact, they have an excellent reputation.

And if you believe all that you've been suggesting, then you should not be using experimental/unregistered health products.
Go back to the pharmacy and buy your B complex vitamin.

You've done your DD you say? Part of any DD is to get first-hand information directly from the subject. But of course you haven't.
So, if you are a man, then start acting like one. Be upfront.
Ask PB about your queries directly yourself instead of publishing your defamatory hearsay here.

And, if you're using them, do keep paying $70 for 20 capsules of peptide bioregulators which every other sellers sells them for.
No one cares.

 

 

1. Pivotalbiosciences and pivotlabioscience are two separate entities. They are not the same.

2. It is easy to make statements and not back them up with proof. Where's yours? Did you just talk only to "Matthew Walker" and not do any other due diligence checks on PB?

3. Have no argument about IAS being rip-ioffs.

4. Having done a comprehensive due diligence on pivotalbioscience, I stand by every statement that I have written.

5. Furthermore, I have had a friend who conducts business with a number of clients in 120 Collins St Melbourne building, check the tenant listing. There is no listing for pivotbiocience as a tenant. So even their address is fake.

 

 

Edited by sagit, 07 July 2017 - 01:10 AM.

[Why not!]

It's absolutely fantastic that you've found another value for money source for genuine peptide bioregulators. Members of LC would like to know of this source too, I'm sure.

So if you're not the fake/BS artist your posts suggest you are to me, then obviously you will want to make a positive contribution to this forum.

So, put your money where your mouth is and post the name of your trusted source, so the entire LC community can benefit.

There's no rule of this forum preventing you from mentioning their name.

 

Or, do you have some other excuse for why you cannot divulge the name of your alleged trusted source for value for money genuine peptide bioregulators?

 

And of course, as expected, you're not going to be a man and contact PB yourself. Just like a typical playground coward you'll instead just keep calling them names behind their back.

And you're going to leave it up to them to find your posts on LC? Yeah, right! Sooooo predictable it's boring.

 

 

This emotional outburst is not worthy of any response. And will get none from me.

Mate, it's your choice where you buy your products from. I was merely publishing the results of my DD. I really don't care if you, or anyone else, disagree with it. As I said, it's your choice. BTW, I don't pay an exorbitant price for my genuine peptides. Nor do I buy from PB.

If PB want to challenge what I have posted they are at liberty to post their rebuttal on this thread.

[sagit]

Maaate, you really need to take your trigger happy finger off the keyboard and go find out just what Due Diligence really is, instead of carrying on like an ignorant fool. To date, no one, absolutely no one, who has posted any reply to my posts has come up with any evidence to disprove any point that I have made. So put up, or shut up.

Why do I need to talk to PB? They have already supplied certain information, which I have checked from independent sources, and found it to be wanting. If you disagree with my findings, then YOU be the man and provide your indisputable evidence that disproves my claims.

All you do is diss me, but then expect me to reveal where my sources of supply are. ROFLMAO.

If you're too lazy to do your own searches, too bad. And anyway, why would you want to know another more expensive source when PBs prices are the lowest, and you all believe that you're getting the genuine article from them?

I will not be wasting my time, responding to any further rant posts until someone presents solid evidence to disprove my findings.

 

It's absolutely fantastic that you've found another value for money source for genuine peptide bioregulators. Members of LC would like to know of this source too, I'm sure.

So if you're not the fake/BS artist your posts suggest you are to me, then obviously you will want to make a positive contribution to this forum.

So, put your money where your mouth is and post the name of your trusted source, so the entire LC community can benefit.

There's no rule of this forum preventing you from mentioning their name.

 

Or, do you have some other excuse for why you cannot divulge the name of your alleged trusted source for value for money genuine peptide bioregulators?

 

And of course, as expected, you're not going to be a man and contact PB yourself. Just like a typical playground coward you'll instead just keep calling them names behind their back.

And you're going to leave it up to them to find your posts on LC? Yeah, right! Sooooo predictable it's boring.

 

 

This emotional outburst is not worthy of any response. And will get none from me.

Mate, it's your choice where you buy your products from. I was merely publishing the results of my DD. I really don't care if you, or anyone else, disagree with it. As I said, it's your choice. BTW, I don't pay an exorbitant price for my genuine peptides. Nor do I buy from PB.

If PB want to challenge what I have posted they are at liberty to post their rebuttal on this thread.

 

 

[aconita]

On paper those seems to be amazing but in practice it seems very few people actually use them or at least reports of beneficial effects are somehow scarce...

 

How comes?

 

All this discussion about sellers reliability has little meaning if they aren't worth the effort (and price).

 

Lets talk a bit more about effectiveness instead of getting lost in childish personal attacks which leads nowhere.

 

Everybody here is wise enough to be able to judge the sellers reliability information's provided by others, any information or thought is welcome and deserves due respect, nobody is forcing anybody into believing anything.

 

If a company advertises an address which is fake it might not necessarily mean it is a scam (we all know how this market goes) even if not displaying any address at all would have been likely a smarter choice at this point.

 

Anyway the information is valuable as all information are and we should be grateful to whom did provide it regardless if we agree with the conclusions or not.

[Why not!]

surprise surprise!! you came up with an excuse to not inform the LC community of your alleged trusted source for genuine peptides. so predictable.

my post actually says you should help/make a positive contribution to the LC community as a whole, by telling everyone about your source.

it says nothing about helping me, but strangely you say you won't name your source because you don't want to help me because I am critical of you. poor baby.

but of course you would say that, cause you need some reason why you won't disclose your source (you don't actually have).

 

if you do in fact have a source, then you are depriving every member of the LC community of this valuable information.

what an outsanding contributor you are!!

you should not be on this forum if you're going to be so childish as to withhold valuable information about sources from the entire LC community, all just to spite me.

pathetic.

 

 

Maaate, you really need to take your trigger happy finger off the keyboard and go find out just what Due Diligence really is, instead of carrying on like an ignorant fool. To date, no one, absolutely no one, who has posted any reply to my posts has come up with any evidence to disprove any point that I have made. So put up, or shut up.

Why do I need to talk to PB? They have already supplied certain information, which I have checked from independent sources, and found it to be wanting. If you disagree with my findings, then YOU be the man and provide your indisputable evidence that disproves my claims.

All you do is diss me, but then expect me to reveal where my sources of supply are. ROFLMAO.

If you're too lazy to do your own searches, too bad. And anyway, why would you want to know another more expensive source when PBs prices are the lowest, and you all believe that you're getting the genuine article from them?

I will not be wasting my time, responding to any further rant posts until someone presents solid evidence to disprove my findings.

[aconita]

This is getting really boring.

[pure]

Hi Sagit.

I'd really appreciate knowing the name of any new trusted supplier..

I'm a long time user of these peptides and I find Endoluten especially helps keep hormones in balance when I am working shift work and finishing at 6 AM.

It's the most expensive - more so than all the others, and some times is out of stock.

If you don't want to post the name of your supply source publicly here for personal reasons in relation to user, why not!, that's cool with me.

Instead could you please send me their name in a private message. I will not share it with anyone.

Cheers,

[aconita]

I find Endoluten especially helps keep hormones in balance

 

You say that out of subjective feelings or do you have hormonal tests showing values?

 

Both you Sagit and Why not! do lot of talking about suppliers it would be legit to assume you do buy and use those bioregulators...why don't you both share experiences instead of insisting on this personal fight about which nobody cares?

 

Lets try to be constructive.

 

Anybody compared Epitalon to Endoluten (talking about effectiveness, of course)?

 

Epitalon seems to work better when paired with TB500, what about Endoluten?

[RiDDIM]

Can anybody comment if the people at pivotal are still communicating/shipping orders?  I'll try to contact them soon and will also post my results.

 

I agree with Aconita and would also like to find more info on what these are and what they do.  If anybody can help point me in the right direction I would really appreciate that.  Just trying to wrap my head around this.  Thanks in advance.

[RiDDIM]

While doing some searches I came across this documentary on Prof. Khavinson and the Russian Bioregulators here: 

 

 

Interesting watch,  It was nice to get some of the back story on how this all came about.

[joetsang]

There are a number of online Endoluten sellers based in Russia, which sell ENDOLUTEN 60 pills in very good price (US$95). 

 

https://amphx.com/cytomaxes/

http://rupharma.com/endoluten/

https://nootropicspo...tural-peptides/  

 

 

However, it appears that all payments need to be made in BitCoin?

 

Anyone has experience to dealing with them and it is reliable?

 

Edited by joetsang, 09 July 2018 - 05:10 AM.

[mikey]

Well, in all my dealings with them to date their integrity has been beyond reproach. And their depth and breadth of knowledge is the best I've found.

I've physically compared their Russian Peptide Bioregulators to the ones from IAS and they are identical.

They ship everything via DHL, not via the post as some untraceable fly-by-night operation would do.

And I pay by PayPal or SWIFT, not Western Union or some other untraceable method.

And they ship without pre-payment and I only have to pay when my shipments clear UK Customs.

A flaky two-bit supplier is not gonna offer these services.

 

But since I have spent a lot of money with them I want to ask them about the points you mention below for my own peace of mind.

Can you post the email correspondence you received from the St. Petersburg Institute so there is no ambiguity or 'hearsay' aspect and the process is completely transparent?

BTW, I doubt you will find public record of the ownership of any online seller of innovative 'research' compounds who is based in a Western country which is not a tax haven, due to Regulatory factors.

What did you find when you did your DD on Ceretropic?

I couldn't find anything about Ceretropic (not even an address) when I was buying P21. They only have an email on their website, no phone number or address.

BUT, I reckon, based on my experience, along with Pivotal, Ceretropic is another reputable supplier.

Please post your correspondence with the St. Petersburg Institute so I can forward it to pivotal and get their reply.

 

Communications with Matthew Walker proved him to be brilliant and ethical. He was being played a bad hand, which I promised him I would not discuss on public forums.

 

Suffice it to say that "powers that be" (hmm. Putin?) do not want humanity to be healthier, so access is going to be continued to be restricted to humanity. Those of us that find access are truly lucky/blessed, while we are working to continue to find/have access. The work never stops.  

[timothy55]

There are a number of online Endoluten sellers based in Russia, which sell ENDOLUTEN 60 pills in very good price (US$95). 

 

https://amphx.com/cytomaxes/

http://rupharma.com/endoluten/

https://nootropicspo...tural-peptides/  

 

 

However, it appears that all payments need to be made in BitCoin?

 

Anyone has experience to dealing with them and it is reliable?

I have used rupharma.com to buy Cerebrolysin about 4 months ago and can confirm they are reliable. I paid by domestic bank transfer (don't know much about bitcoins). As far as I have gathered such online stores cannot accept credit cards because the processing companies prohibit the sale of nootropics and some medical products.

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