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20 Years Old, Low Testosterone - Bioidentical T Cream?

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#1 Trippy 1

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 12:11 AM


Hey everyone,

I would first like to thank everyone that is willing to take the time to read this, give me their insights and answer some of my questions. I value each and every one of your responses and appreciate your help. I tried to provide as much information as possible for accuracy, so I apologize in advance for the length of my post.

I'm a 20-year-old male with a very active, healthy lifestyle and no prior health concerns. For the last two years, I've been experiencing a lot of the symptoms with low testosterone. This includes long muscle recovery time, low libido, sleeping problems, fatigue, and trouble gaining muscle mass. These symptoms are reducing my quality of life, so I decided to go get my hormones checked. The first time I was checked my total testosterone levels were 143ng/dl and my free testosterone levels were 21.7pg/ml. Afterwards, my doctor had me recheck them since they were shockingly low. I was instructed to not work out for 2 days prior to getting my blood drawn and the results came back very similar at 242ng/dl total and 29.2pg/ml free. I was told that males in their 20’s typically have total testosterone levels around 1000ng/dl and free testosterone around 140pg/ml, so I am even out of the “normal” reference range.

As to why my testosterone is so low, I don't have a definite answer. But, I thought that it could be related to one or more of the following:
  • I ran a topical prohormone cycle for nearly 8 weeks at the age of 16. It was Primordial Performance 1-T Tren. Here’s a link to the exact product: http://centurysupple...-1-t-tren-210ml Following the cycle, I didn't run a proper PCT. Although I didn't notice any effects while on cycle or off, I wonder if this could be a contributing factor to my low testosterone.
  • I was prescribed Xanax (short-acting benzodiazepine) for 2 months during a real tough time in my life. This was 6 months ago. I experienced a mild withdrawal upon discontinuing them and no longer take them. I know that both stress and drugs in the benzo class can have a big impact on your endocrine system. My sleep patterns were very inconsistent during this time frame as well.
  • I was slightly overweight all throughout high school, but still very healthy. I went from 225lbs. to my current weight of 150lbs. over the course of 2 years. I lost the initial 60lbs. quickly and felt like I severely over trained my body. I was consuming approximately 1300 calories a day and doing a mix of cardio and strength training at high intensity for 3 to 4 hours. I simply didn’t know any better and like the results I was seeing.

Do any of these factors provide a reasonable basis as to why my levels were so low? Or should I be questioning other aspects of my lifestyle?
In my opinion, my diet and exercise routine are spot-on right now and I’m doing well mentally. Otherwise, I would put those to question too.


I was prescribed bioidentical testosterone cream at a dosage of 50mg once a day, applied in the morning after bathing. I've only been taking it for three days, so I can't attest to its effects yet. I do have a couple questions and concerns using it:
  • Will I permanently shut down my natural production of testosterone by taking this?
  • Should I explore other alternatives to boost my testosterone first?
  • Does anyone have experience using bioidentical testosterone cream? If so, what should I expect? Do you have any tips to reap the greatest benefits?
  • Does the fact that this could have been the result of an improper PCT mean I should take a different course of action?

Thanks again for your responses.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 12:27 AM

Have you tried probiotics? Especially, lactobacillus reuteri http://www.ncbi.nlm..../24392159 make sure you are getting plenty of resistant starch to feed them as well. You can get this stuff just about anywhere

http://www.iherb.com...Ug&gclsrc=aw.ds,


I started with a tablespoon every other day and worked my way up to 3-4 every other day.

Edited by DbCooper, 04 April 2014 - 12:28 AM.


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#3 Trippy 1

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:15 AM

Have you tried probiotics? Especially, lactobacillus reuteri http://www.ncbi.nlm..../24392159 make sure you are getting plenty of resistant starch to feed them as well. You can get this stuff just about anywhere

http://www.iherb.com...Ug&gclsrc=aw.ds,


I started with a tablespoon every other day and worked my way up to 3-4 every other day.

I've only tried a couple of cheap, store-bought brands in the past and haven't noticed any significant changes. I wasn't aware that probiotics could have an effect on hormones? How does that work? I'm definitely interested!

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:48 AM

They think the mechanism is based on it boosting interleukin-10 while inhibiting interleukin 6 and 17. Based off of my N=1 experiments I think there is much more to this bacteria than we understand, hence why is it effectively raising humans 25 hydroxy levels in humans (vitamin D) significantly.

http://www.eurekaler...l-ssp061913.php

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:58 AM

Have you tried probiotics? Especially, lactobacillus reuteri http://www.ncbi.nlm..../24392159 make sure you are getting plenty of resistant starch to feed them as well. You can get this stuff just about anywhere

http://www.iherb.com...Ug&gclsrc=aw.ds,


I started with a tablespoon every other day and worked my way up to 3-4 every other day.

I've only tried a couple of cheap, store-bought brands in the past and haven't noticed any significant changes. I wasn't aware that probiotics could have an effect on hormones? How does that work? I'm definitely interested!



You've got to seek out the Probiotics you want such as (soil based organisms or L. Reuteri). Also you want to make sure you are getting resistant starch while ingesting them, otherwise you may have simply been "releasing animals into a cage-less zoo."

Green plantains, green bananas, onions raw (or cooked then cooled potatoes) are all good sources. Most people dislike the taste of those sources so the unrefined potato starch in a cup of water for $3-4 a bag can be had for all.

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 06:27 AM

Have you tried probiotics? Especially, lactobacillus reuteri http://www.ncbi.nlm..../24392159 make sure you are getting plenty of resistant starch to feed them as well. You can get this stuff just about anywhere

http://www.iherb.com...Ug&gclsrc=aw.ds,


That is a very interesting finding. If this has similar effects in humans (note that I haven't read the full text so I am not sure of its relevance in this respect) this specific probiotic strain may have applications for people with low testosterone levels, such as old people or the original poster of this thread. On the other hand, for most relatively young and healthy males this effect, if found in humans, is likely to be negative because high levels of testosterone are generally not conductive to longevity.

To the original poster. Losing this much weight quickly, like you did in highscool, can cause your testosterone levels to decline, so this might partly explain the low levels. However if your weight has been stable for several months and your body fat is not extremely low, any decline caused by the fast weight loss should reverse.
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#7 DbCooper

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 07:00 AM

Have you tried probiotics? Especially, lactobacillus reuteri http://www.ncbi.nlm..../24392159 make sure you are getting plenty of resistant starch to feed them as well. You can get this stuff just about anywhere

http://www.iherb.com...Ug&gclsrc=aw.ds,


That is a very interesting finding. If this has similar effects in humans (note that I haven't read the full text so I am not sure of its relevance in this respect) this specific probiotic strain may have applications for people with low testosterone levels, such as old people or the original poster of this thread. On the other hand, for most relatively young and healthy males this effect, if found in humans, is likely to be negative because high levels of testosterone are generally not conductive to longevity.

To the original poster. Losing this much weight quickly, like you did in highscool, can cause your testosterone levels to decline, so this might partly explain the low levels. However if your weight has been stable for several months and your body fat is not extremely low, any decline caused by the fast weight loss should reverse.


I don't know if the OP wants to attempt to break the current record for oldest documented/verified age (114 years of age) or have a better quality of life. From what Ive read above, it sounds like he would like to improve his quality of life. In either case, resistant starch is found in many unripened whole foods and L. Reuteri is found in human breast milk ( if you weren't breast fed you may have never come in contact with this crucial microbe).

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 08:54 PM

I don't know if the OP wants to attempt to break the current record for oldest documented/verified age (114 years of age) or have a better quality of life. From what Ive read above, it sounds like he would like to improve his quality of life. In either case, resistant starch is found in many unripened whole foods and L. Reuteri is found in human breast milk ( if you weren't breast fed you may have never come in contact with this crucial microbe).

I wasn't aware that it is found in human breast milk, that is interesting fact. Who knows, maybe that is one of the several reasons it is much healthier to be breast fed than formula fed as an infant. Regarding the effect on testosterone, it it likely not large, and maybe it is only significant in those whith already very low levels such as old people. In such cases a slight increase might have more benefits than harm for longevity. In any case, L. Reuteri has been shown to have several potential benefits for health so even if it increases testosterone slightly in some people the benefits may still outweight the harm for longevity for most of them. Although I have done quite a lot of research on probiotics, there are so many different strains and to date I haven't done sufficient research on the L. Reuteri strain in particular to be able to form a strong prediction either way.

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 09:05 PM

Have you tried probiotics? Especially, lactobacillus reuteri http://www.ncbi.nlm..../24392159 make sure you are getting plenty of resistant starch to feed them as well. You can get this stuff just about anywhere

http://www.iherb.com...Ug&gclsrc=aw.ds,


I started with a tablespoon every other day and worked my way up to 3-4 every other day.

I've only tried a couple of cheap, store-bought brands in the past and haven't noticed any significant changes. I wasn't aware that probiotics could have an effect on hormones? How does that work? I'm definitely interested!



You've got to seek out the Probiotics you want such as (soil based organisms or L. Reuteri). Also you want to make sure you are getting resistant starch while ingesting them, otherwise you may have simply been "releasing animals into a cage-less zoo."

Green plantains, green bananas, onions raw (or cooked then cooled potatoes) are all good sources. Most people dislike the taste of those sources so the unrefined potato starch in a cup of water for $3-4 a bag can be had for all.

Which probiotics, in particular, would you mention?


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#10 Trippy 1

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 07:38 PM

What brand of lactobacillus reuteri would you guys recommend?


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:28 PM

This thread went WAY off topic.  Low T is not treated with probiotics except in someone's very fertile fantasyland, for heaven's sake!

 

Did the doctor determine if you had primary or secondary hypogonadism?  Treatment and prospects will differ accordingly.  And did he test you for a possible prolactinoma?  Again treatment decisions would be affected.  Did he ask you about your plans regarding having a family, etc.?  Was it an endocrinologist or just a family doctor?

 

On TRT you will indeed shut down your own testicles and you will likely become infertile, which may be a concern for someone as young as you are.  There are other medical options if fertility needs to be preserved. 


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:33 PM

This thread went WAY off topic.  Low T is not treated with probiotics except in someone's very fertile fantasyland, for heaven's sake!
 
Did the doctor determine if you had primary or secondary hypogonadism?  Treatment and prospects will differ accordingly.  And did he test you for a possible prolactinoma?  Again treatment decisions would be affected.  Did he ask you about your plans regarding having a family, etc.?  Was it an endocrinologist or just a family doctor?
 
On TRT you will indeed shut down your own testicles and you will likely become infertile, which may be a concern for someone as young as you are.  There are other medical options if fertility needs to be preserved. 


It was a naturopathic doctor and he never indicated any of the things you mentioned above. How likely is infertility?


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:46 AM

 

This thread went WAY off topic.  Low T is not treated with probiotics except in someone's very fertile fantasyland, for heaven's sake!
 
Did the doctor determine if you had primary or secondary hypogonadism?  Treatment and prospects will differ accordingly.  And did he test you for a possible prolactinoma?  Again treatment decisions would be affected.  Did he ask you about your plans regarding having a family, etc.?  Was it an endocrinologist or just a family doctor?
 
On TRT you will indeed shut down your own testicles and you will likely become infertile, which may be a concern for someone as young as you are.  There are other medical options if fertility needs to be preserved. 


It was a naturopathic doctor and he never indicated any of the things you mentioned above. How likely is infertility?


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Get yourself to an endocrinologist.  This is too important to be playing games with.  Infertility is almost guaranteed on long term testosterone treatment. 

 



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Posted 09 April 2014 - 01:59 AM

 

 

 

Get yourself to an endocrinologist.  This is too important to be playing games with.  Infertility is almost guaranteed on long term testosterone treatment. 

Wow, I'm surprised to hear that. I never knew TRT could be associated with infertility. What do you consider "long term?" Thanks

 


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:35 AM

No, a 20 year old should not be supplementing testosterone. Damn "doctors" tried to do the same thing to me when I was in my twenties. I think the cream is actually still sitting in my fridge all these years later.

Have your vitamin D levels checked. Along with my testosterone, it was also very low. Three months of vitamin D supplementation and Clomid put all levels back to a high normal.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 08:10 PM

No, a 20 year old should not be supplementing testosterone. Damn "doctors" tried to do the same thing to me when I was in my twenties. I think the cream is actually still sitting in my fridge all these years later.
Have your vitamin D levels checked. Along with my testosterone, it was also very low. Three months of vitamin D supplementation and Clomid put all levels back to a high normal.


Thanks for your input. I think I'll look into being seen by an endo doctor before I proceed. No side effects with the clomid?


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 09:11 AM

None that I can recall.

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 05:56 PM

I also have secondary hypogonadism, from a misdiagnosis in pre puberty as well as hemochromatosis. How long did your Clomid trial take to see results, Kimber?
Since the last we heard from Trippy was April, how are things about half a year later for ya, pal?
Another thing: I don't know whether tribulus terrestrial would be worthwhile for me since my FSH and LH were low with like ~175 testosterone lvl.

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Posted 25 November 2014 - 02:31 AM

i would try shilajit first







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