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[Mr Serendipity]

OK guys. I just posted this on another forum, so I'm going to copy and paste it here.

 

But basically I took a combination of herbs, and I got that dopamine response where your mind is consumed by lustful thoughts, you have highly motivated, but the motivation is unfocused and you have OCD like tendacies. Then again, I spent 5 hours in a row, non stop, writing an erotic hypnosis script from 5am in the morning, and then converted it to an mp3. So my motivation wasn't unfocused, I literally burnt through that script, I spent 5 hours from start to finish doing it perfect, but I just don't think I can choose what to put my motivation on, all I was thinking about was sex and I wanted to write this script.

 

So I either increased my dopamine, or dopamine receptor sensitivies dramatically, but not sure whch herb it was. Also these herbs gave me bad cramps from time to time, by I was taking so much of them.

 

Here's what I wrote:

 

 

Ok guys, I warn you with all seriousness, tread carefully with ginger.

Well I can't be totally sure it's the ginger, but it most likely is, and it will turn you into one sick puppy.

I haven't been taking any other supplements, just these herbs in capsules I bought off ebay:

Tumeric and Ginger Roots
Pure Natural Cinnamon Bark, Ginkgo Leaves, and Ginger Root
Rosemary Capsules

http://www.ebay.co.u...s-Vegetarian...

http://www.ebay.co.u...kgo-Ginger-H...

http://www.ebay.co.u...OTS-Natural-...

Now I bought these like 4 months back. I just did a Google search on the best natural anti-inflammatory's, and these came up. So if you're thinking I bought them because of the recently discovered ginger/libido connection, you are mistaken. I bought them to help with inflammatory in my lower back muscle, I didn't really think these would have libido properties at the time, maybe with the exception of gingko because of its positive effects on blood circulation, and I assumed this would be minimal anyway.

Anyway these were just stored away in my supplement box, being unused, but I started using them again because of the ginger/libido discovery.

Now what I do is I take 3 capsules of each. Then I do the same later on. And maybe another 3 again.

Whatever the case I take a hell of a lot.

What happens next is not good. I don't know if it's just me, or what bodily function I'm effecting. Or which herb is causing it, most likely ginger because of our recent discoveries, and a bit of gingko I would think. But this will just cause your mind to be consumed by pure utter lust. I took them yesterday around 7pm. I had to jack off eventually, I couldn't control myself. I then took some more before going to bed. I only got 3 hours sleep, before I woke up at around 5am with my mind racing of sexual thoughts, being really horny, and having lots of energy (this is after jacking off and only having 3 hours sleep). I then got out of bed, took some more of these capsules, and spent the first part of the day writing an erotic hypnosis script, then the rest of day watching copious amounts of porn. I finally decided to jack off around 7:30pm, and I came to my senses again, but now typing this, even though I haven't taken anymore capsules, I'm starting to have sexual thoughts and libido again.

But I literally just wasted the whole day with porn. And it wasn't a thing I could control. It was like a dopamine thing in my brain or something. I've experienced it before when taking cdp choline/citicoline. Nothing can satisfy you, I was really really horny, and spent the entire day looking at porn, looking at casual sex sites, swinging sites. I was obsessed, it was never ending, I couldn't stick on one thing, I had all these ideas and fantasies, and none of them could satisfy. This energy, this lust, couldn't be focused. If you are someone who has a girlfriend or fuck buddy, it won't help, because you just want to see every single fetish and all the different women available on the internet, sleep with all the girls you haven't slept with yet, and so you won't settle for a normal fuck with the same girl.

It was pure utter madness. I am not joking. From now on, I'm only going to take these before bed (so I don't waste the day being horny if I take them in the morning), and obviously cut down on my dose. It was probably the ginger that effected me the most, but I won't discount the other herbs. Also both times I had copious amounts of cum, and they both overshot my shoulder (which never happens), it was like a jet.

So I thought I'd warn you guys. It might be something genetic with me and my brain. But I've experienced this once before, and I know citicoline has an effect on increasing dopamine sensitivity. Just imagine what Meth addicts go through, that stuff makes them horny beyond belief and they can't control it. There dopamine shoots up in their brain, and they just become horny beyond belief. That's what it felt like, but in my case I didn't get high off the herbs or destroy my brain (I hope), but I did get that dopamine increase obsession it felt like.

So my hypothesis from my experience. Ginger, or those other herbs, in large amounts, may increase the dopamine in your brain, or the dopamine receptors sensitivity. I'll have to do more research on it, and ask around the longecity forum. Because increases dopamine or dopamine sensitivity is one of the hardest things to accomplish.

You guys have been warned.

 

Edited by manny, 27 April 2014 - 08:04 PM.

[gamesguru]

How much ginger were you taking? Personally I do <1/2 tsp daily. Also do you exercise at all? A sedentary lifestyle is known to increase the frequency or intensity of the type of energetic, hypomanic state you're describing.

[Mr Serendipity]

Yeah I do exercise. Not as much as I use to, but in this case it was definitely the herbs doing something.

 

If I took around 9 of each throughout the day.

And the ginger in one is 1/2 the capsule, and the capsule is 500mg, that would make it 250mg. And the ginger in the other is 1/3 of the capsule, that would make it 166mg.

 

So 250mg x 9 = 2.25g
+

166mg x 9 = 1.49g

=

3.74g

 

Thats the ginger alone, not counting the rosemary, cinnamon, gingko biloba leaves, or turmeric.

 

So yeah I was taking a lot.

 

But my point was. There was something in this herb mixture that increased my dopamine a lot. If it's ginger. Then yewee, I can buy 80g powder from Tesco for 85p. I can then measure it to a dose I can feel results on, without being overcome with too much dopamine and lust. Which means harder erections, higher libido, more dopamine, less refactory period (one of the things I forgot to mention), more motivation, and more energy. But like I said if it is the ginger. It could have been any of the other herbs, but I highely suspect the ginger has the most profound effect.

[gamesguru]

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2828029/

[Godof Smallthings]

Ginkgo is most definitely dopaminergic and ginger has effects that suggest it boosts testosterone, although there is only one study showing this effect at present.

[Mr Serendipity]

Ok guys. I thought I'd decide to weigh myself this morning, to see how much weight I gained. Now I was sticking to a diet mostly. But the last 7 days I haven't been at all, just eating what I want. The last time I weighed myself was 9 days ago, and I weighed 96.8kg.

 

Well to my very surprise, this morning, weighing myself in the same fashion as usual. I weighed 94.8kg! I've lost 2kg in weight, or 4.4lbs in 9 days, 7 of which I didn't follow my diet at all. On those 2 days I dieted, I was only 1000 under. So I should have lost less than 1/3 of a pound. But some how I've lost 4.4lbs!

 

I don't think it's water weight either. Because my weight before then was a constant 96.4kg. But I put on an extra 0.4kg in 3 days when eating mcdonalds, going up to 96.8kg (the 9 days ago measurement).

 

Anyway it's still a hell of a lot of weight, because assuming it's all fat, 4.4lb is 15,400 calories. You're meant to lose a maximum of 7000 calories a week, i.e. 2lbs. Note that 1lb is 3500 calories. So in 2 weeks the maximum you should be losing sticking to a diet, is 14,000 calories, or 2lb. But somehow I have lost 15,400 calories in 9 days, not sticking to a diet for 7 of those day! It doesn't make any sense!

 

And I have a hard time sticking to a diet and losing weight. And I've never been one of those people who can get ill for a week, and lose loads of weight. Or like my friend, who starts a full time job, and loses 5kg in 3 weeks. I'm one of the majority of people who try, fail, struggle, screw up on days, and realise the 0.5kg I just lost after 4 days of dieting, I've put on again after a binge, plus a little bit more.

 

So my hypothesis' are.

 

1. I haven't been eating as much as I think, most probably due to the dopagenic effects of the herbs.

 

2. The thermogenic properties of ginger are highly significant in large doses.

 

3. The other herbs have thermogenic properties as well.

 

Even if the first one was correct. How little must I have had to eat to result in a 15,400 calorie deficit in 9 days?

 

I need 2000 calories a day to maintain weight. I haven't exercised regularly for a long time, trying to get back into deadlifts again, but that's like once every 12 days. So lets say no exercise. For the last 8 days, I have had only 1 days work, otherwise there have been no shifts. And basically haven't moved from my computer these last 8 days. So we can safely assume my body is not burning much in the way of exercise at all, and 2000 BMR is good to go by.

 

So 2000 x 9 = 18,000 calories (to maintain my weight for 9 days)

18,000 - 15,400 = 2,600 calories (maintenance calories - calories lost)

2,600 / 9 = 288 calories

 

So if I have been eating less, I've been eating around 288 calories a day for the last 9 days to lose 4.4 lbs.

 

Yet I know in the 2 days I tracked my diet (where I knew I lose roughly 1000 calories), I ate:

 

ate at 5:30pm
2 ginger beers (422), 500g pork mince, BS (1030) = 1452 monster munch (109) at lunch, 2 ginger beer (422), 400g lamb mince (1024), BS, total: 1555

 

That's 3,007 calories their in 2 days.

 

Then the next 7 days I didn't track it because I just ate what I wanted, but I know I've had chicken curry and rice, and lots of nesquick chocolate milkshake. And when I make nesquick chocolate milkshake, I'm a glutton, I use like 2-3 tablespoons!

 

So like I said my diet has been crap, and this doesn't really make sense in terms of eating less or exercising more.

 

Which I believe means, these combination of herbs, or ginger increased my metabolism a lot, and I mean a hell of a lot.

 

And I think it's ginger. Because in the last 9 days, I was experimenting with huge amounts of ginger I bought from the supermarket, not just the capsules. One of the days I think I must have gone through about 30g of ginger powder. This was Tesco Everyday Value ginger powder for 85p.

 

Suffice to say, this also caused me trouble going to the toilet. I would get painful stomach cramps when trying to shit.

 

But I took some yesterday before bed, and after writing this post. I measured it this time. 2.5g of Tesco Everyday Value ginger powder. And I got something I forgot to mention I get before in my first post. I get hot after taking ginger powder. Thankfully it's not the kind of hot that annoys you, where you feel uncomfortable (like hot flashes). But there's a noticeable increase in your body heat you can feel.

 

Anyway I'm like the majority of you guys. Thermogenics are ok, but insignificant in the long run. Nothing is going to help you lose weight other than good diet and exercise.

 

Yet I am now going to rethink this attitude, now this experience has happened to myself. Someone who has never experienced easy weightloss, has just experienced the easiest weight loss in 9 days, eating whatever he wants. Yes there were a few bad side effects, mainly going to the toilet was painful at times, and I would get bad muscle cramps 2-3 times a day at random (though I think this may be due to the other herbs, like gingko more than ginger). But the other side effects weren't as bad, loads of energy, powerful erections, very high libido/lust.

 

Here is a study that shows 2g of ginger can help you burn an extra 84 calories a day.

 

http://www.ergo-log....ie-burning.html

 

I am going to continue experimenting with large doses of ginger. I think I will move away from the other herbs in the capsules, and just take the ginger powder I get from the store for cheap. I'm also going to eat what I want, not count the calories, and see how much weight I lose/gain, and note what other side effects I get with large doses of ginger.

 

But to me this is very exciting news, and like I said, the bad side effects are bad, but the amount of good side effects are unreal. But I don't want to hype this up yet, I'm just reporting the facts of whats happened to my weight and mind the last 9 days.

 

But this is the most weight I have ever lost in this amount of time. And I must say without any effort (except for those first 2 days).

Edited by manny, 28 April 2014 - 02:07 PM.

[Mr Serendipity]

I forgot to mention.

 

1 of the last 7 days, I know I got a 6" Subway Italian BMT, and 6 Subway cookies!

 

So as you can see, my diet was full or utter crap.

[Mr Serendipity]

Ok guys, for the dopamine thing, I don't think it was ginger.

 

Which gives me reason to suspect it is due to gingko biloba, thanks to the link of the study posted.

 

Reason being I just took 30g of ginger powder today, nothing else, and haven't experienced any effect on libido, ocd, or motivation. Rather I feel sedated, which is a reported side effect of high doses of ginger.

 

So now i believe it is the high doses of gingko was causing hypersexuality, motivation, and racing mind.

 

I'm going to order some gingko biloba capsules, not ones mixed with ginger and cinnamon like i currently have. And take them throughout the day, to see if I can isolate the herb that caused the dopamine raising effects.

 

Edited by manny, 28 April 2014 - 09:44 PM.

[xks201]

An erotic hypnosis script? No offense but that was by far the funniest thing I've read. Maybe you should channel your energies into writing a 50 shades of grey knock off. Anything would be better than that trash novel.

As far real biochemical reactions no one knows the extent of action of any one of those herbs let alone several combined.

[Mr Serendipity]

An erotic hypnosis script? No offense but that was by far the funniest thing I've read. Maybe you should channel your energies into writing a 50 shades of grey knock off. Anything would be better than that trash novel.

 

You're right there. I've never written one before, but when I was going crazy on dopamine I thought I'd write one for the first time after reading about it on a website dedicated to them.

 

Tbh there is something in my brain, that if you trigger the right dopamine thing, I will go crazy on sexual thoughts. I remember that night, I just couldn't stop fantasizing about all sorts of women and fetishes, before getting 2-3 hours sleep, waking up, and writing that script for 5 hours.

 

It was basically hypersexuality. Something that I would love and hate, because an increase in libido is always welcome. But when it gets to the point where you'll waste your entire day and thoughts on it, then it becomes unproductive.

 

Here's another study I've found that might explain the reason:

 

Animal study: ginkgo is prolactin inhibitor 17.08.2008

 

Obviously if ginkgo does increase dopamine, prolactin is naturally going to be inhibited.

 

I would love to harness the ability of dopamines effect on drive and motivation it gives me for lustful thoughts and writing a script 5 hours in a row; to something productive like studying ios 7 programming.

 

I think the thing that amazes me through all of this, is how strongly I was effected by the herbs and spices. It was like a dopagenic drug of some sort.

 

Also the weight loss. I just don't get it. But I'm thinking while on my diet, I was eating a lot of salt and vinegar. So could that 2kg just have been water weight? That's why I need to experiment more with these herbs. First with isolation, then back to combination.

 

I've taken 30g of ginger today. Nothing else except the 2 zma I take at night regularly. All I've felt from the ginger is sedation and not as focused, less articulate. When I was having my dopamine rush, everything was focused, motivated, and I was articulate.

Edited by manny, 28 April 2014 - 11:15 PM.

[renfr]

Ok guys, for the dopamine thing, I don't think it was ginger.

 

Which gives me reason to suspect it is due to gingko biloba, thanks to the link of the study posted.

 

Reason being I just took 30g of ginger powder today, nothing else, and haven't experienced any effect on libido, ocd, or motivation. Rather I feel sedated, which is a reported side effect of high doses of ginger.

 

So now i believe it is the high doses of gingko was causing hypersexuality, motivation, and racing mind.

 

I'm going to order some gingko biloba capsules, not ones mixed with ginger and cinnamon like i currently have. And take them throughout the day, to see if I can isolate the herb that caused the dopamine raising effects.

 

 

Did I just read 30 grams of ginger? And you experienced no side effects from such megadose?

This is really an insane amount, i'm worried about your stomach.

[Mr Serendipity]

Yeah diarrhea.

[xks201]

One gram for me dramatically increases stomach acid there is no way you took 30

[Mr Serendipity]

So you're accusing me of lying because your stomach acid dramatically increases after 1g of ginger? Why are you posting on this thread if you don't have anything useful to say. Even your previous post was void of anything useful as I quote "As far as real biochemical reactions no one knows the extent of action of any one of those herbs let alone several combined.". What total crock, then why the hell do you take ginger for? Then why are there scientific studies and observations for these herbs? I'm looking for answers, like the people who posted the ginkgo rat study; not people who mock and troll and aren't worthy of having such a smart man as Nikola Tesla as their avatar. Bog off will you.

Edited by manny, 30 April 2014 - 10:54 AM.

[protoject]

30 grams is a fuck tonne of ginger. You are lucky you're not flowing a river of red from your nose.

 

My advice is.. CALM DOWN... stop taking supplements.

 

If you do, take a reasonable dosage.

 

and try taking one thing at a time if you want to understand its effects on you. No point in overdosing yourself on a bunch of herbs and then going into this manic speculation spinning into oblivion about the physiological processes that "might" be going on. Not to be the hamper on creativity, but yeah, I don't want you to get hurt.

 

Take it from a guy who thinks like you do.

 

4.4 lbs is really not that much, it's nothing to get OCD over

 

This is interesting about Ginkgo though, never knew it increased dopamine in the PFC

 

I never experienced motivation or anything from it, just a weird headache coming from my neck,..

 

How much ginkgo are you taking? maybe i could try it again and see if i get the same effect.

 

For some reason I have this weird hunch that ginger affects thyroid. I have also seen one study talking about a person who got subacute thyroiditis possibly from using ginger. *shrug* not sure how much weight it has as i can't find much else:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2876930/

 

Honestly sorry if the first part of my post came off as abrasive, I just get really worried about people on these forums sometimes

 

[Mr Serendipity]

30 grams is a fuck tonne of ginger. You are lucky you're not flowing a river of red from your nose.

 

My advice is.. CALM DOWN... stop taking supplements.

 

If you do, take a reasonable dosage.

 

and try taking one thing at a time if you want to understand its effects on you. No point in overdosing yourself on a bunch of herbs and then going into this manic speculation spinning into oblivion about the physiological processes that "might" be going on. Not to be the hamper on creativity, but yeah, I don't want you to get hurt.

 

Take it from a guy who thinks like you do.

 

4.4 lbs is really not that much, it's nothing to get OCD over

 

This is interesting about Ginkgo though, never knew it increased dopamine in the PFC

 

I never experienced motivation or anything from it, just a weird headache coming from my neck,..

 

How much ginkgo are you taking? maybe i could try it again and see if i get the same effect.

 

For some reason I have this weird hunch that ginger affects thyroid. I have also seen one study talking about a person who got subacute thyroiditis possibly from using ginger. *shrug* not sure how much weight it has as i can't find much else:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2876930/

 

Honestly sorry if the first part of my post came off as abrasive, I just get really worried about people on these forums sometimes

 

 

Well I don't know whether it was clear in my posts or not. But I have been isolating the herbs and testing them individually. That is why I was taking the ginger by itself in high doses these last few days, to see how it's effects. Currently, I'm now taking it in around 5g doses, because 30g makes me too sleepy and foggy minded throughout the day.

 

And I haven't taken any of the other herbs, gingko, cinnamon, and rosemary for the last 4-5 days, because I want to avoid that dopamine rush/hypersexuality/mania thing. As I said in a previous post, I've ordered some gingko biloba by itself (rather than in a combo mixture), and will test it after I test the ginger.

 

And yes you are coming off as abrasive. My goal is to find out the effects of these herbs, and the reasons why they convoluted my personality, caused OCD, and hypersexuality. My goal is not for people to bicker and whine about the doses I'm taking, unless they give a valid reason for why I shouldn't experiment with such doeses. This can be their own personal experience, other people's experiences, or scientific and medical literature.

 

Do I think 30g of ginger is too much? Yes I do. As it causes the unwanted effect of diarrhea and sedation. Do I think it's going to kill me? No. Do I have reason to believe my health is being damaged by it? No. Unless someone shows me something that indicates high doses of ginger will cause toxicity or harm to my health, then why are you speaking? Shut your pie hole. And how do you know what constitutes as a high dose to the human body, show me the established upper limit? Show me the facts, show me the literature, I don't care about your baseless opinions, I don't want to hear them. I'm here to experiment with this spice, and share my results with everyone else. If you post something like that gingko study, then that's fine. It helps me pinpoint the effects of the herbs, and why they are doing the things they do. Discovery belongs to the bold, because out of all the people, I thought the people on longecity would know that.

 

And I have discovered things about ginger. Ginger makes my erection much harder, and libido higher. It always helps with nausea, even at 30g doses. It will make me feel hotter, but in a comfortable way. And it will cause sedation and diarrhea at high doses. But it does not cause hypersexuality, OCD, or motivation.

 

However sorry if I've come off as abrasive, I just don't like people accusing me of lying that I've taken 30g of ginger because their stomach couldn't handle 1g, or telling me to calm down and stop my experiments because they don't think it's safe, but without giving a good scientific or anecdotal reason why.

 

If I'm the first person to die of ginger toxicity or overdose, then I'm willing to take that risk.

[Dakman]

The diarrhea part seems true...

[Mr Serendipity]

Wow a lot of trolls on this forum aren't there.

[HeyItsMeLC]

Any updates? Did you isolate the libido enhancing supplement?

[scitris]

Here is one guy who seems to do experiments only on his self, so if he is doing any damage then only on his self.

He shares what he experiences with all of us. Everybody is gaining from it. But instead of reading, learning, coming to conclusions and 

writing him real recommendations mainly to help him and us to advance in knowledge without being emotionally impaired, are people beginning to write that what he does would be dangerous and that based on vague halfbaked knowledge. Its interesting to see that many times not a better knowledge is the motivation of the critic. With one critic, comes the second and often depending on the sovereignty of the topicstarter in relation to the critics (the person, less semantics) (quality and quantity) it seems like an exponential increase of critics. And not only to support the critic's point of view, furthermore to bring it to an objective and scientifically base one study of one case of Subacute thyroiditis is attached. This influences the other readers who reads this and influences them by suggesting that the halfbakedhead of a critic is right. Now most of the readers are convinced and they finds it absolutley okay to criticize the topicstarter, but not that the topicstarter critize the critic. And now with option to vote down posts anonymously the topicstarter gets dislikes, but why? obviously there is only one explaination for that. Our tiny bit of self-made experiences with our own body (type(knowledge) = 1) and reading (type(knowledge) = 2) is much more than all the topicstarter knows. higher intelligence that enables us to predict experience with logical reasoning and so creating much more knowledge (type(knowledge)=3).

 

Did anybody really read the study and what it is really about?

Do you know on what type of board you are?

Could it be that 30g of a thing that is treated like a food maybe isnt soooo much?

Could it be that some persons on this board overrate their own experiences and knowledge?

 

Conclusion would be that the topicstarter isnt sharing his knowledge/experience anymore in future, because sharing/writing costs time and afford, but when the only gain/resonance is negative why should he write again? 

 

And now let it rain the dislikes

 

Edited by scitris, 14 July 2014 - 06:40 PM.

[Dakman]

Welcome to the real world...

[Mr Serendipity]

I never isolated the dopamine increase thing, but I reckon it was gingko.

 

Ginger on the other hand, I haven't taken for months. But surprisingly I took a teaspoon today (not going for the megadoses anymore) with turmeric, zinc (I megadosed this), vitamin c, because of a bad cold I woke up this morning with. 

 

Anyway I did the deed, my erection was rock hard, and I ejaculated.

 

Then later on in the day, I was horny again, and had to do the deed again, and my erection was still harder than normally, but a little softer than the first time, and I ejaculated again.

 

But ginger suprises me (unless it was the zinc), on how it can give you more libido and a hard erection, even after already having ejaculated once earlier today (that's crazy, like you're 14 again).

 

Gingers good man. I recommend an Indian brand, you'll find them more spicy and potent.

 

Just take a teaspoon, and find out for yourself 40m-1h later, i.e. have sex, maturbate, look at some porn.

Edited by manny, 16 July 2014 - 07:23 PM.