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[wolfmaster39]

By "increased energy" I mean substances that keep you awake, alleviate drowsiness, etc. Common examples are caffeine and modafinil. What do you guys like to cycle between to prevent tolerance build? I personally want to find something to cycle caffeine with, or to eliminate caffeine altogether if that's preferable. What works for you?

[ModaMinds]

If you're looking to just "stay awake," you're not looking to "increase energy," you're looking to merely get back to a baseline and alleviate some underlying problem.

 

It would be better to first discover why one would have trouble staying awake, be drowsy, etc. It could be true narcolepsy, it could be a bad diet, it could be an unhealthy sedentary lifestyle, etc.

 

Better to find that out before going straight to various substances to cure a symptom.

 

[Jim Morrison]

DMAE
ALCAR
Sulbutiamine
L-phenylalanine
Nicotine

Edited by Jim Morrison, 12 August 2014 - 08:52 PM.

[wolfmaster39]

 

If you're looking to just "stay awake," you're not looking to "increase energy," you're looking to merely get back to a baseline and alleviate some underlying problem.

 

It would be better to first discover why one would have trouble staying awake, be drowsy, etc. It could be true narcolepsy, it could be a bad diet, it could be an unhealthy sedentary lifestyle, etc.

 

Better to find that out before going straight to various substances to cure a symptom.

 

Thanks for the concern. Although I say this without a basis of comparison, I believe my mental health and lifestyle are healthy. That said, I've suffer from noticeable morning fatigue for as long as I can remember. I've avoided caffeine for most my life though until only a few weeks ago. It has made a big difference in providing me alertness in the morning (which for me starts around 6 AM), alertness that would normally not appear until the afternoon. The induced stimulation itself is also pleasant and enjoyable for me. Already however I can feel the caffeine starting to lose effect as tolerance builds, so I am looking for alternatives with similar effects to cycle with or replace caffeine. 

 

Interestingly, one the best solutions for my fatigue issues was being on ketogenic diet for about half a year. The cognitive effects were great, it was probably one of the most alert periods of my life, something I didn't even expect going into the diet. However, I have since quit for practical reasons and due to concerns about the long term use of the diet. Do you have suggestions for non-ketogenic diets to consider?

DMAE
ALCAR
Sulbutiamine
L-phenylalanine
Nicotine

Are there any safety concerns regarding sulbutiamine? I have heard about it alot but I have not tried it yet. 

Edited by theturk777, 12 August 2014 - 09:33 PM.

[platypus]

Rhodiola Rosea

[Dan1976]

Ribose 15 g/day (can turn into ATP)

SAMe - boosts neurotransmitters, works wonders especially when combined with Bupropion

Tyrosine

Mucuna pruriens

Pregnenolone (can turn into cortisol)

Licorice (but not DGL licorice)

Pantethine

B complex (the one from AOR is the best)

salbutamol (also called albuterol, it is a beta-2 agonist)

7-keto

PQQ

Ubiquinol with PQQ

Acetyl-l-carnitine with ALA

L-carnitine fumarate

Magnesium orotate (cardio-Mag from AOR) 

T3

Glutathione SR from Thorne

 

 

[Jim Morrison]

 

 

If you're looking to just "stay awake," you're not looking to "increase energy," you're looking to merely get back to a baseline and alleviate some underlying problem.

 

It would be better to first discover why one would have trouble staying awake, be drowsy, etc. It could be true narcolepsy, it could be a bad diet, it could be an unhealthy sedentary lifestyle, etc.

 

Better to find that out before going straight to various substances to cure a symptom.

 

Thanks for the concern. Although I say this without a basis of comparison, I believe my mental health and lifestyle are healthy. That said, I've suffer from noticeable morning fatigue for as long as I can remember. I've avoided caffeine for most my life though until only a few weeks ago. It has made a big difference in providing me alertness in the morning (which for me starts around 6 AM), alertness that would normally not appear until the afternoon. The induced stimulation itself is also pleasant and enjoyable for me. Already however I can feel the caffeine starting to lose effect as tolerance builds, so I am looking for alternatives with similar effects to cycle with or replace caffeine. 

 

Interestingly, one the best solutions for my fatigue issues was being on ketogenic diet for about half a year. The cognitive effects were great, it was probably one of the most alert periods of my life, something I didn't even expect going into the diet. However, I have since quit for practical reasons and due to concerns about the long term use of the diet. Do you have suggestions for non-ketogenic diets to consider?

DMAE
ALCAR
Sulbutiamine
L-phenylalanine
Nicotine

Are there any safety concerns regarding sulbutiamine? I have heard about it alot but I have not tried it yet. 

 

 

At least in the short term there should be no problems with sulbutiamine. I find it often overstimulating, in particular when combined with caffeine and alcar. In this combo, even 200mg sulb early in the morning will affect me all day long and will make falling asleep in the evening difficult.