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[niner]

I don't get how anyone can market nootropics (most of them, anyway) as "supplements".  According to DSHEA 1994 , this is the definition of a supplement:

 

 

DSHEA defines the term "dietary supplement" to mean a product (other than tobacco) intended to supplement the diet that bears or contains one or more of the following dietary ingredients: a vitamin, a mineral, an herb or other botanical, an amino acid, a dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake, or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of any of the aforementioned ingredients.

 

Are there any plant or food sources of Racetams, for example?

[Aka Poe]

Sorry to be a stick in the mud but, but, but............I am curious about this too. 

 

I think that TeamTLR's attempt to create compunds which were prior to mostly unavailable, is commendable.  However, TeamTLR had one item which they had on their website which was stated as similar in some manner to MDMA and MDAI, called SODM-OX, I am not quoting their exact words but something like that.   I wonder if that material might  come under the US analogue law and if someone receiving it be possibly subject to arrest? Their Exetamine might possibly be portrayed as an analogue of the recently banned methoxetamine by a crafty prosecutor hoping to get elected as a judge in the future. I would prefer to buy nootropics from companies without any products in the gray area.

 

Another of their unnamed extract compounds they claim is an active  opioid, many or most  opioids   are under intense  scrutiny in the US.  Similarly, a few  of their compounds are stated to affect cannabinoid receptors, and I assume TLR's compounds are none of the  illegal forms,  but I understand that lately the US gov has gone after many other venders selling the  so called ingredients of  "spice, " and the illegal products have made a lot of notoriety in the news recently and many arrests have been made regarding people possessing and or  selling such mock cannabinoids. What makes TeamTLR's items legally different I'd like to know?

 

It would be great if TLR  would insure American buyers  that what they are  buying will without a doubt  not fall under the American analogue law as an illegal drug.

 

If there is a risk some of their products might come under the US drug analogue laws, TeamTLR is taking the greater risk if there is one, as law enforcement in the US  has generally gone after sellers, not buyers so much in recent raids on research chemicals and spice additives, but to a lesser extent  buyers could also be arrested if anything they receive in the mail or possess in their car for example, if the material is perceived by law enforcement as "similar" to an illegal drug. The analogue law is purposely vague, in my opinion dishonest in that defense of such  a gray law is extremely difficult,  and it could be costly and even impossible to prove one's innocence depending on the substance.

 

Since they will not tell the precise chemical structure or source plants of their extracts, for all a buyer knows, one or more of their products might fall under the American analogue law as an illegal drug.  I'd hate to see anything  damage the good name of Longecity, it's website  owners and it's members. Lastly, could there possibly be liability upon  the Longecity website owners  who allowed TeamTLR to advertise their products?

 

 

Edited by Aka Poe, 07 October 2014 - 01:28 AM.

[Gorthaur]

Do you think all nootropics vendors should sell all their products as "nutritional supplements"? What about peptides? Most of the good nootropics are synthetic chemicals which resemble prescription drugs. Calling them "nutritional supplements" is a lie, in many cases. "Research chemicals" is an accurate label. Unfortunately, it's a label that's also used for analogs of recreational drugs. 

 

Another issue is that labeling nootropics as nutritional supplements opens up a company to all sorts of liabilities. If someone buys Sunifiram as a nutritional supplement, and they take too much and get brain damage (which has happened several times now), they could conceivably sue the company they bought it from. This happens with contaminated prescription drugs. There's no way our nootropics vendors could afford a lawsuit like this, though. They have to cover their backs.  

 

The Federal Analog Act is almost never used, and there's no way anyone would be prosecuted for Sunifiram. It has a roughly a dozen more atoms than BZP, and it has no recreational potential. And no one has ever sold Sunifiram as a replacement for amphetamine. I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove here. Could you explain what you mean about New Star Nootropics being under investigation? How are you involved? 

 

Are you located in the U.S., and having research chemicals sent to you internationally? This is ill-advised, as there's no reasoning with customs. Always buy domestic.

[bern004]

Marketing them as what they are is a crime?