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#1 ironfistx

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Posted 03 November 2014 - 09:24 AM


The type of B complex i would like has some of each vitamin preferrably in the active form, and nothing else really.  Most of the formulations I have seen tend to have weird dosages, or other vitamins added in, or other things I don't like.

 

I like the idea of keeping the dosages relatively low, like 15-25mg of the main ones and then 1000 mcg of methyl b12 and 400mg of methylfolate.

 

The only way to do this I think though is to buy the vitamins separately and then open the caps and emptyout how much you want.  You can do this in a glass and then put some water in it and drink it.  This is going to be a high cost though as buying them by themselves is way more than buying a premade version.

 

So there's this one by Doctor's Best which I bought thbut then learned that too much biotin is bad, so I've been taking a small amount of it each day instead plus some of the levels, like thiamin and briboflavin are pretty high.  https://www.swansonv...ive-30-veg-caps

 

Ther is this one by Swansn that looks pretty decent, doesn't have much biotin, and sees to have all the good forms of stuff although in another thread someone metntioned that the folate might be a bit weird but before they were calling it calcium salt.  I am not crazy about the PABA, inositol, and choloine in it or panthething, but they are a pretty low dosage.  I was actually running with the idea of taking half one of those and supplementing he other half with a 5-mthf there.  https://www.swansonv...ity-60-veg-caps

 

This type is also avasilable which is basically twice as much as everything mentioned above, except mroe than that for biotin.  So you could get this capsule and take 1/4 of it and get the same as half of the preceding type, but still there would be the biotin.  And there's no cost savings in doing it this way.  https://www.swansonv...ity-60-veg-caps

 

Another version looks arlgitht but a few of the ingredients are pretty elevated above what I want, like biotin and pantothenate.  Nda it has inositol, choline, and PABA. https://www.swansonv...ex-100-veg-caps

 

A different version has some decent dosages if you consider that a dose is 2 pills, but it has a form of pyridoxine I've never heard of before, and it also has both the forms of most of the vitamins and doesn't tell you which or how much of both, and there is still a lot of biotin in it.  And it has inositol, phosphatydalcholine, PABA, and alpha-Lipoic Acid.  https://www.swansonv...ex-240-veg-caps

 

Here's another discussion http://www.longecity...e-good-amounts/

 

And some conversation about different intakes http://www.longecity...e-good-amounts/



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Posted 03 November 2014 - 05:10 PM

You can buy bulk powders to get the cost down (at least in the long run).

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#3 ironfistx

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Posted 05 November 2014 - 04:01 PM

I noticed the Swanson product has Panthethine which according to wiki has to be refrigerated and it's promoted as a cholesterol treatment but if you dont' have high cholersterol is it going to mess anything up?



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Posted 05 November 2014 - 10:53 PM

I think you're going to get to little results for the amount of effort going into this. Getting the optimal amounts of B-Vitamins, assuming above deficiency, is not going to impact your health or mood greatly (unless you are genetically 5-MTHFR deficient and need to supplement methylfolate). I say there are better supplementation projects you could spend your time on.



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Posted 06 November 2014 - 02:17 AM

I think you're going to get to little results for the amount of effort going into this. Getting the optimal amounts of B-Vitamins, assuming above deficiency, is not going to impact your health or mood greatly (unless you are genetically 5-MTHFR deficient and need to supplement methylfolate). I say there are better supplementation projects you could spend your time on.

 

Are there any signs to look for when figuring out if you're one of a % that can't convert regular folate? Other than taking the 23andme test (& affiliated converting resources), which I plan to do in the future.

I take a swanson B-Complex w/ no co-enzymes (200mcg folate). Was deciding on switching to the B-Right from jarrow which has 400mcg of methylfolate. Around $20 more for the same servings compared to the swanson brand. I also take P-5-P and a methyl B-12.


Edited by Deckah, 06 November 2014 - 02:19 AM.


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Posted 06 November 2014 - 09:06 PM

You can get the methylfolate by itself for cheap. 100 tablets of 800mcg should run you $8 on Amazon or iHerb. One thin you can get tested is blood levels of homocysteine. But I would do it twice before and twice after supplementation, because these things fluctuate naturally. Here is the folate cycle:

 

http://jn.nutrition....53/F1.large.jpg

Homocysteine is HCY. When you do not produce enough 5-MTHF, the homocysteine does not get converted as rapidly do to lack of a methyl donor. You can take the methylfolate by itself and see if you feel any different. If you do, I wouldn't get tested, cause it might be placebo, and who'd want to ruin that? ;)

IMO, you don't have to really worry about the other B vitamins as long as you are getting RDA amounts.



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Posted 07 November 2014 - 12:48 PM

IMO, you don't have to really worry about the other B vitamins as long as you are getting RDA amounts.


I beg to differ in regards to B3.

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Posted 07 November 2014 - 01:46 PM

That's a lot of effort for yellow colored urine



#9 ironfistx

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 09:34 PM

Is it stable in water?  If you were to mix some B vitamins in water and drink it throughout the day would that be plausible?



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 01:38 PM

 

IMO, you don't have to really worry about the other B vitamins as long as you are getting RDA amounts.


I beg to differ in regards to B3.

 

 

And why is that?



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 02:05 PM

maybe the guys over at ceretropic could make us a superior liquid b complex



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Posted 06 December 2014 - 03:52 PM

I did just this a while back.  Ordered off of bulk powders and made my own.    It's much less expensive doing it this way.  I left folate and b12 out of the mix though, I like to control those independently.

 

Oh and avoid the racemic 5-mthf mixes, had bad experience with them.  Get metafolin or quatrefolic.

 

 

IMO, you don't have to really worry about the other B vitamins as long as you are getting RDA amounts.

 

 


 

You can live off of RDA amounts of most things if you're a normal, healthy individual eating a balanced diet.  If you're in any way sick or if you're affecting your metabolism through other things you are taking, you can push your bodies needs for a substance beyond what the diet can satisfy.


Edited by caruga, 06 December 2014 - 03:54 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2014 - 08:20 AM

And why is that?

NAD+, Alzheimer's, microtubule stabilization, etc. Nicotinamide was the first true nootropic experience I had. YMMV, of course.

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 06:18 PM

"Too much biotin is bad" - can anyone provide a reference on this?

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 07:08 PM

"Too much biotin is bad" - can anyone provide a reference on this?

 

 

Krillin brought this up in a previous b-complex thread found here.


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#16 caruga

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 07:16 PM

 

"Too much biotin is bad" - can anyone provide a reference on this?

 

 

Krillin brought this up in a previous b-complex thread found here.

 

 

Glad you linked that, the thread linked by that post (balance of b-vitamins) is something i've lately been interested in.  And high B2 causing problems matches my own experience--felt better when I changed the ratios in the powder to lower the b2.



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Posted 08 December 2014 - 06:40 PM

 

And why is that?

NAD+, Alzheimer's, microtubule stabilization, etc. Nicotinamide was the first true nootropic experience I had. YMMV, of course.

 

 

Can you link to studies showing the value of super-RDA doses of Nictonamide for these things, preferably studies where n>20?







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