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[jafuga]

Hi Sensei,

 

Your experiment is very interesting, and you will be interested to learn that hair can be regrown - and color can be restored to gray hair - without the need for any chemicals. The link between mind-body practices and epigenetics is now well established, and that's what led me to run an experiment, which is now in its 7th month, and is giving exceptional results. You can read about it in my blog, where I recently posted my six months report: http://www.doitwithw...x-months-report.

 

I'd be interested to hear your views on this.

 

" without the need for any chemicals" 

You need "chemicals" for all: 02,C, H, N, Ca, Fe, etc

 

On the other hand we know that by praying, meditation, etc can do anything:

 

So we are in LongeCity, to read about pseudoscience

 

Thank you for your contribution to the thread, you will probably proposed to nobel prize in chemistry and medicine

[kfir]

Very funny...

 

You don't need any *added* chemicals. Your body already has everything you need, as long as you eat properly.

Edited by kfir, 17 January 2015 - 06:53 PM.

[sensei]

I see what the problem is: the December photo is rotated by 180 degrees (I'm going to fix it). Moreover, while the September picture was taken with natural light, the December one was taken with a flash (because I was interested in seeing what happened with the black hair) and therefore the white hair, that does not reflect light, "disappeared" from the image. However, white hair that has not been replaced by a black version is still there. I'll update the report to explain that too.

 

I can assure you that I haven't lost any hair. Actually, the process has picked up speed in the last couple of weeks and now there is almost no area without at least some hair on it (which I haven't had in years). I will continue to post updates as the procees goes on, so you may want to keep an eye on it.

 

Your hair is much longer in December vs Sept or April.

 

If you would have your hair cut to the same length as the Sept picture, and then have someone take that same picture again -- with both ears visible, from the same distance that would help.

 

I clipper my head with the lowest guard then I let it grow for 7-9 days when I take pics to keep the hair length consistent.

 

I also try to take a picture at the same distance from my scalp.

[sensei]

Very funny...

 

You don't need any *added* chemicals. Your body already has everything you need, as long as you eat properly.

 

 

You don't actually believe that, do you?

[kfir]

You're right. Now I am taking much more constant and comparable pictures, but at first I wasn't expecting it to actually work so I wasn't being methodic. Nevertheless, I believe that if the experiment proceeds to completion and the bald spot disappears (as it seems it's happening), the exact angle at which the picture is taken and the overall length of the hair in different pictures won't make a difference. The same is true for the hair color. If the bulk of my hair regains dark color, I will be able to see it at the end point regardless of the pictures taken earlier. And if none of this happens, then the experiment has failed and it won't make a difference either.

[sensei]

 The link between mind-body practices and epigenetics is now well established, 

 

Can you provide some citations that include peer reviewed experiments or paper supporting this claim?

[kfir]

Sure. See for instance:

 

Kalman et al.,http://dx.doi.org/10...en.2013.11.004 (http://www.investigatinghealthyminds.org/pdfs/KalimanRapidPNEC.pdf)

 

and

 

http://www.i-sis.org..._meditation.php

 

[jafuga]

Very funny...

 

You don't need any *added* chemicals. Your body already has everything you need, as long as you eat properly.

 

Mom , are you?

[sensei]

Sure. See for instance:

 

Kalman et al.,http://dx.doi.org/10...en.2013.11.004 (http://www.investigatinghealthyminds.org/pdfs/KalimanRapidPNEC.pdf)

 

and

 

http://www.i-sis.org..._meditation.php

 

 

From the first link:

 

"Conclusions: The regulation of HDACs and inflammatory pathways may represent some of the

mechanisms underlying the therapeutic potential of mindfulness-based interventions. Our findings

set the foundation for future studies to further assess meditation strategies for the treatment of

chronic inflammatory conditions."

 

In other words -- mindfulness meditiation is not well established in epigenetics -- some researchers think there may be a connection

 

The second link talks about studies, but honestly there was no mention of how they controlled for confounding elements.

 

For instance; one reference to a study simply takes an a priori position that Quigong must be the reason for different gene expression between practitioners (5 individuals), and non-practitioners.  The difference could have been caused by differences in diet, alcohol or tobacco use, use of Traditional Chinese medicine (or differing herbal use).

 

This is Longecity.  if you are going to make a statement like "well established" it needs to be well founded with multiple well designed and conducted studies.

[kfir]

I'm not on a mission to try to convince you. There is a body of evidence for that out there, but you need to read it yourself and reach your own conclusion as to whether it establishes the connection. I'm aware of the fact that the medical establishment is fighting the notion, although it seems that the resistance is weakening with time.

 

You will have a hard time finding a scientific article that doesn't use the word "may" to qualify the conclsions from its results (which is also the case in many more established fields of medicine), since absolute certainty is seldom reachable.

 

I'm not sure how we got sidetracked...

[sensei]

 

 

I'm not sure how we got sidetracked...

 

Umm.. you brought up mind-body meditation/epigenetics on a thread about C60 and hair regrowth.  That's how we got sidetracked.

[Adamzski]

I will start regrowing my hair again. 0.2mg Finasteride, Minoxidil, Nizoral, Retin-A along with the internal sups and C60.

 

Did you consider other ways to gauge your results? some info here https://books.google...epage&q&f=false

 

I will post what I end up doing but I was thinking to do something along the lines of, My hair is closely shaved, Find a reference point on the scalp, use a clear plastic bottle cut to a cylinder, with a coat hanger or something make a mount for my phone. Line up with reference point take photos and count the hairs. 

 

[aribadabar]

 Finasteride, Minoxidil

I thought it is either one or the other - not both? What is your rationale?

[hamishm00]

I am having a lot of success with RU58841 in prop. glycol / ethanol solution (i.e. you can just dissolve it in regaine/minoxidil)

[Adamzski]

 

 Finasteride, Minoxidil

I thought it is either one or the other - not both? What is your rationale?

 

Of course it is both and whatever else people can lay their hands on when dealing with hair loss.

 

The big 3 is what some people call it, Minox, Finasteride, Nizoral. Growth stim Minox, DHT blocker Finas, Anti fungal/Anti inflammatory Nizoral.

 

Retin-A is a good thing to ad as it increases absorption of the others along with stimulating hair growth.

[seescaper]

I am glad you are getting desired results, but you raise in me a few questions:

 

1st, you are clearly "megadosing" the C60 in terms of what most folks are taking. In addition to the expense, it is certainly possible that you are taking far more than is required, and it would be nice to know the minimum effective dosages, if only for economic reasons!

 

2nd, other than the hair effects, have you noticed any other effects, positive or negative, at these doses? Skin, stamina, strength, etc?

 

Third, given what you are taking is effective it begs the question as to whether your results require continuation of these dosages indefinitely, or could you at some point pull back to a lesser dose that will be for maintenance.

 

Fourth,

I have also been getting some hair regrowth but not color changes. I am putting a plethora of stuff on my head. This includes c60 from Vaughter, at a dose of about 4-12mg/week, spread over 1-3x/week, not very scientific. I also put a small amount topically, mostly twice a day.

 

I have gradually added many components to what I use every day, and the c60 has been for not quite a year. i have not dermarolled but often use a little DMSO.

 

I use, in no particular order, and in addition to the c60:

 

cortexalone 17 alpha propionate daily

ramatroban daily

Spectral DNC-N (minoxidil 5%, aminexil, adenosine, procyanidin B2, citrulline, copper peptides; nanosome technology) daily AM

Polaris Research NR-10 (16% Minoxidil, 0.1% finasteride, collagen, elastin, multipeptide complex, vitamin complex; liposphere technology) daily AM

Polaris Research NR-09 (15% Minoxidil, GHK-Cu copper peptides, Thymosin Beta4, procyanidin B2, adenosine, vitamin complex; liposphere technology) daily PM

Dr Proctor treatment daily

various oils: emu (mixed with monistat7) twice a day

argan, rosemary, jojoba daily

polysorbate 80 daily

Hairdrenaline (see youtube) (an infusion of black and sage teas, biotin, garlic, capsaicin, onion in castor oil) twice a day

I also shampoo daily with a mixture of nizoral, selsun blue, head and shoulders, revita, and a few other components.

 

i have not taken photos as i did not do this for a science experiment, and i most definitely would be adverse to shaving my head

But there has been definite relatively dense growth coming in across the mid-top from the sides, and lengthening and thickening across most of the top (albeit still a lot of scalp visibility, but to the point where i can now do a comb-over without any spray aids (needed in the past) to give a credible appearance of a full head of hair.

 

 

 

 

Edited by seescaper, 20 January 2015 - 12:58 AM.

[sensei]

I am glad you are getting desired results, but you raise in me a few questions:

 

1st, you are clearly "megadosing" the C60 in terms of what most folks are taking. In addition to the expense, it is certainly possible that you are taking far more than is required, and it would be nice to know the minimum effective dosages, if only for economic reasons!

 

2nd, other than the hair effects, have you noticed any other effects, positive or negative, at these doses? Skin, stamina, strength, etc?

 

Third, given what you are taking is effective it begs the question as to whether your results require continuation of these dosages indefinitely, or could you at some point pull back to a lesser dose that will be for maintenance.

 

Fourth,

I have also been getting some hair regrowth but not color changes. I am putting a plethora of stuff on my head. This includes c60 from Vaughter, at a dose of about 4-12mg/week, spread over 1-3x/week, not very scientific. I also put a small amount topically, mostly twice a day.

 

I have gradually added many components to what I use every day, and the c60 has been for not quite a year. i have not dermarolled but often use a little DMSO.

 

I use, in no particular order, and in addition to the c60:

 

cortexalone 17 alpha propionate daily

ramatroban daily

Spectral DNC-N (minoxidil 5%, aminexil, adenosine, procyanidin B2, citrulline, copper peptides; nanosome technology) daily AM

Polaris Research NR-10 (16% Minoxidil, 0.1% finasteride, collagen, elastin, multipeptide complex, vitamin complex; liposphere technology) daily AM

Polaris Research NR-09 (15% Minoxidil, GHK-Cu copper peptides, Thymosin Beta4, procyanidin B2, adenosine, vitamin complex; liposphere technology) daily PM

Dr Proctor treatment daily

various oils: emu (mixed with monistat7) twice a day

argan, rosemary, jojoba daily

polysorbate 80 daily

Hairdrenaline (see youtube) (an infusion of black and sage teas, biotin, garlic, capsaicin, onion in castor oil) twice a day

I also shampoo daily with a mixture of nizoral, selsun blue, head and shoulders, revita, and a few other components.

 

i have not taken photos as i did not do this for a science experiment, and i most definitely would be adverse to shaving my head

But there has been definite relatively dense growth coming in across the mid-top from the sides, and lengthening and thickening across most of the top (albeit still a lot of scalp visibility, but to the point where i can now do a comb-over without any spray aids (needed in the past) to give a credible appearance of a full head of hair.

 

 

I would expect the minoxidil and finasteride are likely the main drivers of your regrowth. -- to see if that is the case, stop the minoxidil and finasteride and your hair will fall back out

[seescaper]

Well, I have been at this for about 4-5 years and was using the minoxidil the longest by far and getting no results. i gradually added more and more components and have been rewarded with positive results in just the last 6-8 months. I think there is some synergy or at least facilitation with the other ingredients. The higher strength minoxidils have been used now for about a little under a year.

[Stefanovic]

Okay, regarding the greying, I've been taking stuff like paba, tyrosine, B vitamins,...with no results although I am open to new discoveries. This does seem to work I suppose, but for how many people has it worked so far? Has there been any scientific evidence?

ps looking it up I only find expensive stuff, if it works, I wanna keep using it without spending too much on it as I'm not rich at all.

Edited by Stefanovic, 20 January 2015 - 03:01 PM.

[sensei]

Okay, regarding the greying, I've been taking stuff like paba, tyrosine, B vitamins,...with no results although I am open to new discoveries. This does seem to work I suppose, but for how many people has it worked so far? Has there been any scientific evidence?

ps looking it up I only find expensive stuff, if it works, I wanna keep using it without spending too much on it as I'm not rich at all.

 

The hair regrowth and de-graying was a side effect of the C60 -- I am taking it for longevity purposes.

 

If you want it cheap, you have to make it yourself.

[Stefanovic]

I want it cheap, so how do I make it myself :-)   any other evidence of people having those anti grey effects?

[sensei]

I want it cheap, so how do I make it myself :-)   any other evidence of people having those anti grey effects?

 Buy 99.95% pure C60 -- S.E.S. Research sells it

crush .8 grams per 1000 ml olive oil -- in a mortar and pestle

 

A 20 gram scale accurate to milligrams costs about $30 on amazon -- you need one

 

pour C60 into olive oil -- shake multiple times a day while storing in a dark cupboard.

 

Continue until oil turns magenta/purple and there is no visible sediment -- filter with .22 micron filter if you feel like 

 

 

- I don't know if any others have experienced the color change -- but not many people are taking the dosage I have taken

Edited by sensei, 20 January 2015 - 05:16 PM.

[Stefanovic]

Thanks, but shaking it many times a day is a bit hard when you're not home and on the road. Any other companies selling it, I always want to have some back up companies if it would work and one company would stop selling it.

[sensei]

Here is the latest pic -- taken today --

 

August 06, 2014 , now today enhanced color to show new growth and remove flash glare, then real color

 

Use the large mole/freckle and the divot with the whorl as reference

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[sensei]

Side by side comparison 12 dec to today

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[Stefanovic]

Thx, can't find the website, how much would it cost for 5 grams and how long does it last when dosing at your dose?

[Adamzski]

Looks like they will start selling C60 OO themselves http://192.254.204.2...n-60-olive-oil/

 

I think I will have to grab some pure C60 and mix it up myself, have bought/shipped to Korea 5 bottles now

[smccomas01]

Looks like they will start selling C60 OO themselves http://192.254.204.2...n-60-olive-oil/

 

I think I will have to grab some pure C60 and mix it up myself, have bought/shipped to Korea 5 bottles now

 

Ok this is off topic to the thread however I doubt the link posted above is from SESRES. That IP block is from websitewelcome.com

 

SESRES is on this ip block 170.178.212.252 completely different.

 

On Topic my wife has noticed that I am starting to get new growth coming in.  

[Stefanovic]

I'm a bit short on my dough and if I'd follow Sensei's regimen, I'd be losing too much, so the question is: what hair benefits will you have with lower dosed stuff? What would be the minimum dosage needed for hair color benefits and does it depend on your weight?

[sensei]

Thx, can't find the website, how much would it cost for 5 grams and how long does it last when dosing at your dose?

https://sesres.com/Fullerene.asp

 

5 grams = $459 US

 

at 45 mg every other day  5 grams will last approx 220 days (110 doses)