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hi, any updates on high catechin cocoas with less heavy metals in them? im interested in which areas of the world the most clean cacao is produced. so far, african sourced cacao is the worst in several articles i have read. ecuador is also there when it comes to south america but i have no information on other areas, if anyone can add something it will be nice. i also lost this article but i read indonesian cacao is high quality, but there is not a single source material for sale coming from there...

[Phoebus]

hi, any updates on high catechin cocoas with less heavy metals in them? im interested in which areas of the world the most clean cacao is produced. so far, african sourced cacao is the worst in several articles i have read. ecuador is also there when it comes to south america but i have no information on other areas, if anyone can add something it will be nice. i also lost this article but i read indonesian cacao is high quality, but there is not a single source material for sale coming from there...

great list here

 

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https://www.asyousow...oxic-chocolate/

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so the ones with no warning required do not contain either cadmium or lead? well, that sucks since those are crappy products i dont usually eat :(

 

but i was hoping we collect a list of country producers of cocoa and their quality when it comes to adulterants and heavy metals, other toxins etc. so far i only read bad quality coming from most african countries, and only ecuador was mentioned from south america and not much else at all. hardly anything out there helping out with this issue

[Daniel Cooper]

This is the cocoa -- https://en.wikipedia...lebaut#Products

 

"Acticoa contains higher levels of polyphenol antioxidants than any other chocolate."

 

And here's the coffee fruit:

 

http://www.futureceu...cts/neurofactor

 

The flax is also worth mentioning as it's in the top 10 list from this paper on the "identification of the 100 richest dietary sources of polyphenols": http://www.nature.co...ml#figure-title

 

You could easily throw this together by picking up Acticoa + NeuroFactor... or just using some random brand of cacao powder and coffee fruit.  I wasn't going by the price but by the formulation.

 

 

Where do you find Acticoa?  Their website seems to want to sell to commercial producers unless I'm missing something.

[Phoebus]

so the ones with no warning required do not contain either cadmium or lead? well, that sucks since those are crappy products i dont usually eat :(

 

but i was hoping we collect a list of country producers of cocoa and their quality when it comes to adulterants and heavy metals, other toxins etc. so far i only read bad quality coming from most african countries, and only ecuador was mentioned from south america and not much else at all. hardly anything out there helping out with this issue

 

yeah the crappy products have less cadmium simply because they have less cocoa, thats all. 

 

Just like you wish there was more info on this subject, just cant find any. 

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maybe just concentrate on removing cadmium since chocolate is the least of the problem, that crap is all over us in all places

[GABAergic]

great list here

 

scroll down

 

https://www.asyousow...oxic-chocolate/

 

yeah i wish they were listing the percent or amount cadmium and lead per serving. it will help people make a better choice because its obvious EVERY item contains either both or separate of those metals. its not very reliable table at all

[Shemp999]

[Mind]

Pretty much every chocolate brand and product fails Labdoor's evaluation, many of them because of heavy metal content.

 

https://labdoor.com/review Search "Chocolate"

[Mind]

Yet another long-term study showing somewhat high heavy metal concentration in most commercial chocolate products - and it does not matter if it is organic, free-trade, non-gmo, natural, or whatever label it comes with (for the multiple brands in this study).

 

I have known about this for many years now but I can't break my chocolate habit. Yes, dark chocolate has been shown to have moderate health benefits in several studies over the course of decades, but it might not be enough to counterbalance the rising heavy metal levels. I do take supplements with IP6 so hopefully that removes some of the heavy metals.

 

Apparently, the cocoa plant absorbs more metal from the environment/ground that other plants, relatively speaking, but the problem of heavy metal pollution is growing around the world due to atmospheric deposition. The most pollution by far comes from China and spreads around the world and this source keeps rising year after year. Previous interviews I did with Labdoor highlighted this problem and there is little that can be done except post-processing of food to try and remove the metals.

[ta5]

Bryan Johnson tested several bars for overall heavy metals (video below). He sells his Blueprint Cocoa powder. At the bottom of the page, under "Lab Results", it shows the lead and arsenic content. On Reddit someone said his cocoa is dutched, which is a little surprising to me.

 

Phoebus posted this link in a message above:

https://www.asyousow...toxic-chocolate

I applaud them for doing that. The have a nice table that you can search and sort.

 

I get the Ghirardelli 92% bars. The site above didn't test the 92% bar, but they tested other Ghirardelli bars, and they compare favorably to the others.

 

I don't know where I read this, but someone suggested that the heavy metals in chocolate might not be that big of a problem because the metals are so tightly bound to the cocoa solids and polyphenols. The fact that the polyphenols are so good at chelating metals is part of the reason they are there - they form complexes and don't let go. Cocoa tends to have a lot of iron too, (which some people might want) but it's not very bioavailable because it's so bound up. So, maybe the same is true for the heavy metals. Or, that could be speculation and wishful thinking.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=RzWWOQMLttE

Edited by ta5, 10 August 2024 - 10:14 PM.