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Schizophrenia self-treatment: Nootropics/"alternatives" for positive and negative symptoms

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#61 YoungSchizo

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Posted 04 June 2015 - 11:08 PM

Okay, well shit hit the fan and I've gone psychotic again. I'm on Latuda 37mg for a week now and it instantly reduced symptoms as from day 1. It's non sedating and seems like it works, unlike Zyprexa which I took for almost 10 years. Though, I'm a bit scared of the chance of getting EPS as a side-effect. So my question would be, is there a way to reduce this risk? Maybe an idea to drink some alcohol once in a while in order to (temporary) wash out Latuda? Or any idea's?

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 12:10 AM

Nice to hear. Do You mean with EPS, tardive dyskinesias or acute ones ? tardive could be reduced by Ashwagandha or other antioxidants, the acute by afaik anticholinergic but this "could" cause confusion, amneisa & ect.

 

In regards of the wash out, I would look for something that activates CYP3A4 because according to wiki: Lurasidone is metabolized in the liver via the enzyme CYP3A4

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Lurasidone

 

However, St. johns wort can have mixed effects i.e. sometimes or dosedependly inhibit this enzyme or dont have any great effect at all

-> google for it e.g. St. Johns wort + antikonzeptiva. Because this question is more common than for other meds.

 



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Posted 05 June 2015 - 12:18 AM

I mean the chronic ones like tongue smacking and/or grimace-ing and that kind of freaky/scary side-effects
I mean the chronic ones like tongue smacking and/or grimace-ing and that kind of freaky/scary side-effects

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 12:29 AM

Yes, then chronic use of antioxidants just look into ncbi like: tardive dyskinesia + herb(al) or something like that. Q10 could afaik help. In regards of Vitamin E and antioxidants in general: it could slightly(?) elevate the risk of cancer. in the case of Q10, its also prooxidant so this might be more out balanced.

 

Anyway, I will post tomorrow more.


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Posted 07 June 2015 - 12:49 AM

Latuda seems to have a lower risk of EPS than Zyprexa. I really like the pharmacological profile of Latuda, and I think it's a great advancement as for as antipsychotics go, and it's actually reasonably priced, which is rare for an antipsychotic as they normally charge $500-$1000 per month.

 

Have you had an EPS from what you've taken so far?



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Posted 07 June 2015 - 04:10 PM

On Risperdal I had a restless leg-syndrome, I literally wanted to cut my leg off. On Zyprexa I had a muscle twitch in my arm once in a while.
Today, on Latuda I might start experiencing Parkinsonism, my nerves in my left hand/fingers started to tremple/twitch for almost an hour. Now, 5 hours later, I still feel some sort of "electricity"/discomfort in my hand nerves but the twitching has stopped luckily. It really worries me that it will continue or get worse as I hope that I won't have to go off Latuda.
As for the experience on Latuda so far, it's friggin' great compared to the AP's I tried. It works very well against positive symptoms, I still can be creative, my mind is clear, I don't stumple upon words like I did on Zyprexa, I speak a little less fluently but that's fine by me. My concentration slowly returns back to normal, though, time will tell if this also works a bit on cognitive symptoms. Latuda is non-sedative, a bit stimulating instead, which is positive (for negative symptoms) and negative as I don't get a good night rest and want to take a nap throughout the day which also is almost impossible. Another side-effect is that I crave more for sweet foods but I didn't gained any pounds and am able to have some control over this which was impossible on (a high dose) Zyprexa. On Zyprexa, even on a low dose, if you eat healthy and only as needed I still gained weight.

Anyway, I'll report back if the Parkinsonism continues or get worse.

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Posted 08 June 2015 - 12:40 PM

Altough a bit late, here are some links:

 

Indian Gooseberry (Phyllanthus emblicaL.): Phytochemistry, Pharmacology and Therepeutics

http://www.researchg...77a0a000000.pdf

 

An Overview on Ashwagandha: A Rasayana (Rejuvenator) of Ayurveda

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3252722/

 

Antioxidant Treatment of Tardive Dyskinesia: An Alternative Approach to a Potentially Disabling Side Effect

https://www.utexas.e...ds/02-18-11.pdf

 

Pyridoxal 5 phosphate for neuroleptic-induced tardive dyskinesia.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/25866243

 

had some finding with Ginseng and Curcuma as well.


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Posted 15 June 2015 - 02:00 AM

Well, week three on Latuda, I'm quite positive with it's anti-psychotic MOA, like I already told it works fast, it's a clean drug (compared to 3 other AP's I took) and I remain creative on it. (the last one is positive and negative because being creative is linked to severe mental illnesses, so I have to have my guard up when it comes down to, say paranoia)

 

The downsides are more side-effect related: it can make really drowsy, restless and agitated that can fuck up most of the day. I don't know what I dream or if it is even dream-related but I sweat like a pig during the night. I also experience some sexual-dysfunction but I can't be really clear about it because the cause is maybe partially psychological. The thing I'm happy about is that the Parkinsonism only happened one day and so far I don't see any serious side-effects to drop this drug.

 

Now my question would be, which Nootropics enhance the working of the PFC area? (I know I have asked the same question more often but maybe there are fresh mind reading this and maybe they can help me out). I still have this issue, like on all AP's that my right front area of my brain my brainwaves still are out of wack and causing undesired symptoms that makes me function hardly in daily life and/or around other people. 



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Posted 21 June 2015 - 11:47 AM

Just to let you know I responded here.



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Posted 27 October 2015 - 07:27 PM

I read many of the items with appreciation

I hear voices or rather perceive voicelike communications conversations as well as a kind of graphics co processor like effect

 

These are reviews of dumpsterdived antipsychotic pills I found Note that taking one or half of one of these prior to sleeping a few occurences is different than the sustained use that could reduce the somnolence side effects (possibly)

 

The voices that I hear or perceive say that if i i describe them that minimizes their being describing them seems to have an absence of effect on the amount of their perceived presence though although I prefer there be an abscence of paranormal perceived presences.   They also communicate that utilizing a antipsychotic pill removes from their perspective permission to communicate.  There is a near immediate reduction of paranormalist communication as well as graphic coprocessor activity on taking a pill (prior to likely pharmacological effect)

 

haloperidol This causes somnolence taken just prior to sleep it kind of omits lengthy nonoptimal sequence like artificial contexts ("see this, this is your ____ " ,then I zap the thing with a laser, then the voice communicates confusion that I was opposed to what I perceived as nonoptimal action, then it possibly repeats with a slight variation) Sleeping instead makes more sense. One of a half a haloperidol is crummy mostly non effective at my physiochemistry

 

seroquel  an entire seroquel caused all day sleep with noted slight cheerfulness 24 to 72 hours Seroquel is slightly effective

a fifth of a seroquel caused mild ditzy cheerfulness without diminished voices or graphics coprocessor The content of the voices as well as graphics coprocessor may have been perceptipble milder as well as pleasanter

 

prochlorperazine also described as compazine these caused transition to sleep with much less day sleepiness with a noticeable yet mild reduction of voices as well as a noticeable reduction of graphics coprocessor effects I think this is Compazine is slightly effective possibly better than seroquel

 

Different things that have an effect

color has an effect with white or light blue causing greeater well being  Green could just be a kind of different channel or different branch

Earplugs diminish the voices although physics is woithout an explanation

theanine causes sleep, which kind of precludes the mental repractice of (this) (zap) (confusion)which when you think about practicing an idea or thought pattern less practice might be beneficial

 

Now the novel area  I read that 1.2 grams of blended omegas 3 lipid each 24 hours causes a reduction of schizophrenia transitions so i will be seeing if that has any function

 

This reference says 10g of omega 3 lipids each 24 hours http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/8729113

This reference says 1.2g of omega 3 kipds each 24 hours  http://www.nature.co...pp2011187a.html

this is a popularization with minimal dose data http://articles.merc...izophrenia.aspx

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 27 October 2015 - 08:59 PM

Also along with the reviews of antipsychotic pills there are areas that have much less perception of voices or graphic coprocessor effects

public spaces that are comparatively quiet

  libraries

  mall walking

 

either of these reduce perceptual voices or graphics coprocessors possibly 9/10ths or more

 



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Posted 31 October 2015 - 08:40 PM

I found a Interesting article about epigenetics relevant to schizophrenia  http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19029285.

 

 



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Posted 05 November 2015 - 03:40 AM

{this is for those people that feel a little unmotivated or distrustful and decide to self-diagnose one of the most serious mental disorders; schizophrenia]

y'all need to lay off WebMD sometimes. When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras. It's probably depression or anxiety.

 

If a person is remotely capable of contemplating whether they have schizophrenia...they really, really, probably don't have schizophrenia. Plenty of disorders share the negative symptoms, but it's a bit hard to accidentally forget about the hearing voices or thinking you're Jesus Christ bits

 

Schizophrenia is a degenerative organic brain disease, which sets it apart from most other mental illnesses. True there are degenerative components in, say, depression, but you know what I mean...relative severity.

 

{for those who genuinely have it}

y'all are not going to be cured by drinking the correct herbal tea or vitamin. Best you can hope for is offsetting side effects of the heavy-duty antipsychotics you're on, but even there don't expect miracles. I wish you luck though.  

 

 

Now I sit back, relax, drink my tea, and watch as I'm going to get massively downvoted.

 

 


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Posted 05 November 2015 - 01:01 PM

{this is for those people that feel a little unmotivated or distrustful and decide to self-diagnose one of the most serious mental disorders; schizophrenia]
y'all need to lay off WebMD sometimes. When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras. It's probably depression or anxiety.

If a person is remotely capable of contemplating whether they have schizophrenia...they really, really, probably don't have schizophrenia. Plenty of disorders share the negative symptoms, but it's a bit hard to accidentally forget about the hearing voices or thinking you're Jesus Christ bits.

Schizophrenia is a degenerative organic brain disease, which sets it apart from most other mental illnesses. True there are degenerative components in, say, depression, but you know what I mean...relative severity.

{for those who genuinely have it}
y'all are not going to be cured by drinking the correct herbal tea or vitamin. Best you can hope for is offsetting side effects of the heavy-duty antipsychotics you're on, but even there don't expect miracles. I wish you luck though.


Now I sit back, relax, drink my tea, and watch as I'm going to get massively downvoted.


I'm going to downvote you for saying the truth.

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Posted 08 November 2015 - 07:34 PM


Schizophrenia is a degenerative organic brain disease, which sets it apart from most other mental illnesses. True there are degenerative components in, say, depression, but you know what I mean...relative severity.

 

That's not really true. Only difference in healthy and schizophrenic brain is the difference in enlargment of brain ventricles. That is nothing degenerative.



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Posted 08 November 2015 - 08:06 PM

enlargement of ventricles= shrinking of whole brain. That's a biggie. 



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Posted 03 January 2016 - 10:55 AM

 

 

 

I've been on ZMA (zinc 30mg, magnesium and B6) for years. Can't really say that it negatively or positively effects my symptoms, don't feel much difference on or off it at all. 

 

As for typical antipsychotic, is it worth looking into it? I mean, aren't those much more evil than atypicals when it comes down to dopamine affinity and/or serious side-effects? 

Abilify is like the only anti-psychotic with negligible / minimal side-effects , including neuro-endocrine but it can still cause anxiety for some people...amisulpride is relatively low on side-effects but it is not available in the USA.

Clozapine is sort of safe, but it also has anti-cholinergic effects. Still less side-effects than the majority of anti-psychotics, though. Less dopamine antagonism as well.

 

 

Abilify I've tried in the past but it was to sedating/zombifing. Amulsipride is available here, I've tried to get that but they rejected my wish because the pdoc was not "familiar" with it's MAO. Clozapine I never thought about because of it's possible negative effect on the liver and I don't want to let my blood checked-up every couple weeks/months.

 

What do you think of this one Lurasidone, it's fairly new. The thing that's important for me while picking a "new" (even though they're all crap) anti-psychotic is that I can still be creative and maintain/gain muscle-mass. I'll probably go with Lurasidone, if that doesn't relieve some symptoms I will force them to give my Amulsipride. 

 

I think that Latuda (Lurasidone) has terribly corny commercials, lol. 

As far as it's mechanism of action , it has an even greater affinity for 5-HT7 than risperidone, but also has zero / negligible histamine affinity which means it should produce far less sedation or be void of sedation...it doesn't seem too bad...and the 5-HT7/2A antagonist properties could be very beneficial for bodybuilding as it would result in cortisol reduction.

 

 

 

Does Risperidone reduce cortisol as well? I am hoping for cortisol increase actually as my cortisol levels are extremely low (along w Testosterone, Estrogen, Thyroid) and I feel horribly lifeless all the time. Plus all the negative schizo symptoms.

 

Hoping to try Risperidone again (after 10+ years break) on jan 4th when I see my doctor but Latuda looks promising. Too bad about the cortisol reduction or... does it modulate cortisol in any way? If mine is low would it balance it out or reduce further?

 

What other options are available? I'm in Canada. No amisulpride here. But if anyone has any good pharmacy options my doctor can fax script. 


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Posted 03 January 2016 - 02:55 PM

whatever ap you choose look to start at minimal dosages and then taper slowly every two weeks or so

i think this aproach by my doctor made me free of side effects



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Posted 05 January 2016 - 01:56 AM

I got 20mg samples of Latuda from my doc today. According to medscape it increases toxicity of valium, gabapentin, ritalin, and cymbalta.

 

Gabapentin I can drop if needed. Ritalin I can limit to super low doses. Cymbalta I can quit if need be but I was hoping to augment cymbalta. I only started taking micro doses around 2-3mg with some subtle benefit and was considering raising it. Valium I am on a slow long withdrawal at 0.5mg a day. And NSI-189 10mg I took for two weeks and last dose was 36 hours ago. Also been taking a SARM LGD 4033 2 drops past few days. 

 

 

Would Latuda be fairly safe with what I am taking?  I can't drop the valium. I can drop most else. The idea is that cymbalta helps w my CFS and helps bring back some functionality while Latuda does whatever it will do to assist my anhedonia, low pleasure, underlying anx from benzo/gaba withdrawal, and cymbalta induced physical anx if I choose to continue cymbalta. When I was up to 20mg+ of cymbalta there was fair bit of physical anxiety.

 

I have negative symptoms of schizophrenia. All of them. None of the positives. Very anhedonic depression w poor physical energy and poor mental energy.

 

 

I plan to cut the tablets and start very low around 2mg and go up from there.  


Edited by AlexCanada, 05 January 2016 - 01:57 AM.


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 04:20 AM

What is mostly helping your anhedonia now? I only found stimulants beneficial.



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Posted 26 September 2016 - 09:42 PM

sleep deprivation can completely remove the negative symptoms - ie, the unsub 24 hours to 48 hours - 18 hours after getting training of the mind, ie talking to people write down their feelings and thoughts on paper - it helps. To sleep deprivation was felt these symptoms should not take neuroleptics

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 01:13 PM

Chronic Schizophrenia Put Into Remission Without Medication

New research suggests ketogenic diet may play a role in treating schizophrenia.

https://www.psycholo...hout-medication


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Posted 20 April 2024 - 11:14 PM

My experience from tangential issues is as follows:

 

1. Raise Gaba and inhibitory factors to prevent excitotoxicity and any manias. I'm fond of gotu kola, magnesium-theonate

2. Restore damaged brain circuitry to attempt to normalize the brain as much as possible. The principle area implicated in sz is the midbrain/striatum, but also the prefrontal which is where people get the cognitive impairments. Not to be a broken record, but I've found Dihexa helpful- must be taken with anticancer agents and sparingly

3. balance serotonin and dopamine, as the natural homeostasis is almost certainly disrupted by AP's

4. I am strongly of the belief that "negative symptoms" are a function of dopamine impairment or damage. The various classes of supplements found to improve these all work on dopa. Thus, a patient should attempt to restore damaged dopa receptors that will have been destroyed by psychosis

5. It is entirely possible that HPA dysfunction played a key role if stress was the precipitating issue, thus ashwaganda may be helpful

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It would appear in true SZ cases that body responses to chronic infection and NMDAR dysfunction alongside general glutamate issues, specifically hypofunction, may be key. 

 

Glycine is good for increasing NMDAR, to be taken daily

NAC will reduce dopa and glutamate toxicity, and should be taken as general practice

Ibuprofen will cut glutamate in a pinch - This is what should be given to patients immediately if they enter psychosis

Melatonin will cut dopa in a pinch - This should also be given to psychotic patients as an acute treatment

Avoid anything that stimulates the 5ht2a receptor, this is what causes strong internal visual imagery and in dysfunction could be hallucinatory

 

I cannot comment on the issues of chronic infection directly, only what would appear to work

Toxoplasmosis can be killed and reduced with prolonged black seed oil treatment

Lysine is another option

Methyl Blue as well

 

I'm quite curious as to whether neurotransmitter balancing, nmdar normalization, a brain antimicrobial, nootropic enhancers, anxiolytics and toxicity buffers are a general effective treatment strategy for SZ


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Posted 07 June 2024 - 05:31 AM

Good post Ghola!

 

I am also getting more optimistic schizophrenia can eventually be solved without resorting to neuroleptic medications, at least the currently available ones.

 

5-HT2A is quite complicated receptor. In general you don't want to activate it much if prone to psychotic symptoms, but then again Panax Ginseng is 5-HT2A agonist yet that herb has anti-psychotic properties and helps with negative symptoms of schizo to some extent.

 

Didn't know Ibuprofen affects glutamate, nice finding.

 

Other good supplements for schizos:

  • Theanine
  • Sarcosine
  • Pregnenolone
  • Bacopa
  • Fish oil
  • Nefiracetam
  • Cannabidiol
  • Magnesium, Zinc, B-vitamins

Histamine levels tend to be decreased in psychotic patients, causing that dream-like state of delusions etc. Not sure yet what can be done about that, some suggest high dose Niacin could work. Kynurenic Acid is also elevated in schizos, it's an endogenous glutamate antagonist so lowering it could be an effective strategy.

 

Will have to dig deeper, I think there are enough smart minds in LongeCity to come up with an effective and reasonable protocol that could help schizos to reduce anti-psychotic medications or eventually come off them. But consult your doctor first.  ;)



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Posted 27 June 2024 - 12:11 PM

Schizophrenia is a severe mental illness and hard to treat naturally.

 

There is probably not one single type of schizophrenia and not one single cause. If you can figure out the cause you have a much better chance at getting better.

 

Diet is probably more powerful than supplements. Keto has put some schizophrenics into remission. Gluten and/or casein avoidance diets have also worked for some as well as fasting. There are many studies on this look them up.

 

Populations with low wheat consumption have much lower rates of schizophrenia.

 

Lead poisoning and other heavy metal toxicities may also play a role in some cases.

 

Schizophrenia is likely caused at least partially by chronic neuroinflammation like many other mental illnesses. High dose omega 3 fatty acid supplements can help as well as other things that reduce neuroinflammation and reverse the damage.

 

Optimising your microbiome is beneficial in many if not most chronic illnesses and schizophrenia is surely not an exception.

 

There are also likely at least some schizophrenics who were misdiagnosed and have another medical illness that can be treated/cured.

 

so what might be a potential treatment approach combo:

 

Keto without gluten and/or dairy

High dose omega 3 supps

Probiotics

Vitamin C, E, Magnesium, Zink, B vitamins

 

In addition you want to rule out other medical problems like nmda receptor encephalitis, autoimmune diseases, hormonal diseases, heavy metal poisoning, epilepsy, TBI, tumors etc.

 

Not sure what the success rate with that approach could be but according to my research many might improve and maybe some can even go into remission.

 

https://med.stanford...al-illness.html

https://pubmed.ncbi....h.gov/34281415/


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Posted 29 June 2024 - 08:42 AM

Very high dose full spectrum CBD oil has also been reported to be effective


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Posted 29 June 2024 - 12:27 PM

There was a case report of someone with psychosis who wanted to fast so they let him fast in the psych ward for like two weeks and all his mental health problems resolved.

 

Very high dose full spectrum CBD oil has also been reported to be effective

 

CBD oil seems helpful for various things, but is quite expensive at least here in Finland.



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Posted 29 June 2024 - 01:06 PM

There was a case report of someone with psychosis who wanted to fast so they let him fast in the psych ward for like two weeks and all his mental health problems resolved.

 

 

CBD oil seems helpful for various things, but is quite expensive at least here in Finland.

 

 

yes it's expensive especially the very high doses that are needed for schizophrenia. Not sure if growing your own plants is a feasible alternative.



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Posted 29 June 2024 - 03:27 PM

Fasting can help some, problem is it's not a sustainable long term treatment. The ketogenic diet resembles fasting from a metabolic perspective and can be sustained indefinitely. So schizophrenics who improve when fasting might also benefit from ketosis.

 

https://naturalmenta...-schizophrenia/


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Posted 18 September 2024 - 03:13 AM

I hope that my comments will be helpful for those who might be struggling with schizophrenia.

 

My experience might or might not be typical, though for me this was what my subjective experience felt like.

I had teenage onset psychosis that resulted in a hospitalization and treatment for about a year with chlorazepam (?).

This was not in the context of any co-morbid drug or alcohol abuse.

I went through about a year of talk therapy which seemed not to be of any obvious help for me --- and that was about it --

My symptoms have largely spontaneously resolved while being treatment free for many years.

At the time I had almost no understanding of what was happening to me -- it just seemed to appear out of nowhere.

 

 

What advice would I give to an earlier version of myself before onset of my symptoms to improve the quality of my life (and hopefully others who might read this post)?

 

 Number 1:   Full genome polygenic scan.

 

Recently, I received full genome polygenic scores and was quite shocked to see my risk score for schizophrenia in the high 90th percentiles -- approaching 100th percentile. It had actually

never occurred to me that what I went through was called schizophrenia. I had never been that clear what nomenclature applied. Strangely, enough I do not think I have ever heard

the word schizophrenic uttered in any context in my house. The whispers of what the doctors suggested seemed to be more bipolar depression. The genome scan revealed no relevant risk of bipolar.

Even stranger is that other family members who had similar type pre-schizophrenic traits have never realized that they also likely have the genetic risk.

 

Of interest my full genome scan also revealed a range of other behavioral phenotypes that are also present in addition to the pure schizophrenic risk. In particular I find it interesting that

another polygenic score read out at an extreme for a non-schizophrenic trait that mimics the negative symptoms of schizophrenia. Another extreme score for an adjacent trait could mimic

positive symptoms of schizophrenia. It is then not actually that clear where the boundaries lines are for the illness and these other traits. Here simply saying that this or that behavior is 

a positive or negative symptom of schizophrenia might then not be accurate. 

 

Importantly, I can see the same broad outline of symptoms present in a few other family members. However, they have vehemently rejected all my attempts to have them genotyped. So, basically

this has meant that I am considered the family's hopeless weird person, while these family members have themselves struggled with alcoholism and other issues probably related to the illness.

There does seem to be an undeniable reality that forcing me to confront my problem with acute illness has actually had a long term benefit. The other family members were then simply

able to project many of their problems on me and in so doing have turned what for me was largely an acute illness into a lifelong chronic illness for them. The family has not been overly supportive

and they continue to have high expressed emotion which is not healthy for those at risk.   

 

Having a name for what you are up against is super super helpful.

Basically for us, schizophrenia has been a disease with no name and this clearly made things much worse.

Especially for the other family members, who still do not have any understanding of what they are confronting.

 

The polygenic scores is simply of critically important.

I could plunk down my scores to any one with even a moderate understanding of psychology and they would likely pay close attention to me.

Having a near 100th percentile readout should give pause to almost any thinking person.

As it was, even the highly trained PhD level doctors that treated me, had no insight into the exact genetic drivers of my illness -- they were largely only

grasping at straws and most of what they surmised has been subsequently found to be inaccurate. 

This current polygenic polyphenotypic era is dramatically more precise in helping patients understand what might be troubling them.

 

 

 

Number 2:     L'enfer, c'est les autres [Hell is other people] 

 

Most people really do not have a good grasp of what schizophrenia actually is.

I am not clear how high the polygenic scores of so called side walk schizophrenics might actually be, though it is possible that homeless people might have more

moderate to highish polygenic scores. The street environment would be so bad for those with psychotic illness that high polygenic scores are perhaps not even

required for positive symptoms to emerge. I am sure that I would be a complete mess in such an environment.

 

If you really want the inside scoop on what it is like, then asking someone with a polygenic score approaching the 100th percentile is probably a good place to start.

My current best understanding is that for those at risk of schizophrenia, it is a disease of society -- of being part of society. 

The primary trigger for me has been other people -- people largely have been the only obvious trigger of my positive symptoms.

I am sure even now if I were to try to be the life of the party that I would rapidly deteriorate.

It took me some time to appreciate this, though eventually as I interacted less with others my well-being improved.

I have also found that making a conscious effort to try to behave in a normal social way is helpful.

Just being present with others can create some level of bonding which can improve the tone of personal relationships.

 

Teenage onset should be no great mystery -- those teenage years are exactly the time when one is the most pressed into being a social person.

Even now I am constantly encouraged to go to parties -- to have more friends  --- to be more social.

I suppose these people mean well, though these suggestions would be so devastating to me and I am glad that I now have polygenic scores that prove it.

It is quite stunning how destructive the behavior of close family and the community has been to my well-being.

 

Some of the family are excessively extroverted (even using non-schizophrenic yardsticks) and they were constantly urging me on to be more and more social.

My current suspicion is that my hospitalization had more to do with a realization by family that such proddings were not going to be successful and they needed

me to have positive symptoms so others could try interventions to adapt my behavior. I found it quite surprising when other family members re-imagined my illness more as a result

of abuse -- I would not have thought of it like that -- yet, these other family had a medical background and they saw things more from the perspective of our family not

accepting me for who I was and of seeing this more in terms of a rural versus urban type dividing issue. My impression is that from their rural perspective

most of the hyper-urban type behaviors that we have demonstrated and which clearly amplified my symptoms simply would not be allowed in rural contexts

(e.g., the all out 24/7 work culture that we embraced)..

 

It took years, but finally my family and society largely gave up.

Life became a grudge match in which the community simply would not accept me for who I was (and largely they were entirely unaware and still are).

I see it mostly as quite abusive behavior by others who simply will not accept non-normative behavior.

 

Basically the entire performative nature of my sick role helped others (and me) to have the space needed to escape these normative assumptions.

Quite rapidly after this unfolded I was able to transmute my schizophrenia state into schizoid personality. This is largely the long term result with 

schizophrenia for most who experience it and then one can be happy and live the life they want to. This path to a schizoid and lasting happiness has been

the journey that I have traveled -- the actual clinical schizophrenia phase was only a very brief part of the voyage. For many the ideal outcome might simply

be to bypass the schizophrenic phase; go directly to being a schizoid and then be super happy. For most though there is this fairly prolonged struggle in which

they must fight off the community's misguided attempts to impose normality. With the polygenic scores, it might now be possible to override the positive symptom

stage because even the most uneducated superstitious types would realize that they would not be successful in imposing normative behaviors on those with high

enough polygenic scores. Funnily, enough exactly when the community stopped trying to normalize people, the people would tend towards normality.

 

Being home schooled or being offered school choice would have probably helped me to avoid the more florid positive symptoms of my illness entirely.

I have in fact tried online education and it has been devoid of the triggers that I remember from bricks and mortar schools.

Normative bricks and mortar life was highly destructive for me. Schizophrenia is very much a disease of social relationships and the extent to which

community accepts people as they are and not how the community wants them to be. Considering the cost of schizophrenia is $350 billion per year in the

US, it is somewhat surprising to me that more thought has not been given to how to minimize this cost by providing more appropriate environments for those

with pre-morbid illness -- such environments potentially could completely avoid disease onset.

 

I greatly hope these comments will help others who might be confronted with this challenge. 

Arranging my life in the way described above has made schizophrenia disappear for many many years -- with approaching robotics and the ability to 

arrange the environment with even greater control, I look forward to an even higher quality of life.


Edited by mag1, 18 September 2024 - 04:01 AM.

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