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[Sarif]

Yeah, those will be fine. Also, make sure you realize how much 18g is. It's 2 1/2 tablespoons (NOT teaspoons), or slightly less than 1 standard shot glass.

 

Hi,

 

As per your advice I have been taking 18 gms of inositol for the last 2 weeks first thing in the morning. Additionally I'm taking creatine powder+fish oilin the morning and 5-HTP+EGCG+L-Dopa+clonidine+ chelated magnessium before bed.

 

Here is my update:

 

1.I felt awesome for the first few days of taking inositol. My internal monologue was completely gone. I was able to stay at the moment without even trying.

 

2.After first few days, the effect wasn't that much strong, but I still can feel the difference. I can say that I'm happy with the result. I'll probably buy this again though it's too costly. 

 

3.My bedtime stack seems perfect, as I can easily fall asleep. After using L-Dopa the morning grogginess has reduced.

 

3. I've stopped selegiline for now.

 

Now these are problem I'm still facing-

 

1.Though inositol has reduced my compulsive thoughts, but still it's there and I get lost in my internal monologue from time to time.

 

2.Daytime sleepiness is still a huge problem.

 

Should I add something like racetam as I have heard a lot about them or should I just wait for now?

 

Thanks,

[Sarif]

 

Yeah, those will be fine. Also, make sure you realize how much 18g is. It's 2 1/2 tablespoons (NOT teaspoons), or slightly less than 1 standard shot glass.

 

Hi,

 

As per your advice I have been taking 18 gms of inositol for the last 2 weeks first thing in the morning. Additionally I'm taking creatine powder+fish oilin the morning and 5-HTP+EGCG+L-Dopa+clonidine+ chelated magnessium before bed.

 

Here is my update:

 

1.I felt awesome for the first few days of taking inositol. My internal monologue was completely gone. I was able to stay at the moment without even trying.

 

2.After first few days, the effect wasn't that much strong, but I still can feel the difference. I can say that I'm happy with the result. I'll probably buy this again though it's too costly. 

 

3.My bedtime stack seems perfect, as I can easily fall asleep. After using L-Dopa the morning grogginess has reduced.

 

3. I've stopped selegiline for now.

 

Now these are problem I'm still facing-

 

1.Though inositol has reduced my compulsive thoughts, but still it's there and I get lost in my internal monologue from time to time.

 

2.Daytime sleepiness is still a huge problem.

 

Should I add something like racetam as I have heard a lot about them or should I just wait for now?

 

Addition: I work as a software developer. My job is to develop  software. So analytical power is required more than memory. in job interview I'm expected to come up with complex logic on the spot, but due to my social anxiety and other problems, I become nervous  and totally blank when asked a question. The same question I can easily solve when I'm alone and mentally calm. The exam I was talking about earlier is actually a important job interview for which I'm preparing hard(or at least trying for the last 6 months). After some research I found out may be I should try Aniracetam for this problem?

 

Thanks,

 

[OneScrewLoose]

Reducing compulsive thoughts is gonna take more than drugs. It's gonna take discipline. I've talked about meditation a number of times, right? What you need to understand that there is no logical structure nor algorithm for the brain (check out the book "The Mystery of Consciousness" for more on this, it's my favorite cognitive science book). So how much of the meditation have you tried? The thing is, the drugs (I include supplements as drugs), will help reduce the intensity in the obsessive circuits that have built up in your brain (look up Hebbian Learning). But realization of your problem is simply not enough. You know how they say 'knowing is half the battle'? Sometimes people don't realize that knowing is only half the battle. In other words, you need to override these circuits day by day. Every time a new obsessive thought takes root, you have to start programming into those illogical, experience-based circuits, "I don't want this thought. I no longer want think like this. This is not for me. I must create something new". It may seem simplistic, but day-by-day, this will cause Long-Term Depression for your obsessive circuits (LTD simply means the connections grow weaker), and create Long-Term Potentiation (opposite of LTD, the connections grow stronger) for the mentality you do want (once again, look up Hebbian Learning) to take it's place. This is possible (for me meditation has allowed me to get off previously need supps/meds by allowing my brain to learn to take the experience and perform it on its own). I can recommend more things that can give you the tools to help make these changes, but ultimately you will have to adjust the neuronal weights in your mind, or else, no matter what you take, you will always be some degree of stuck.

Would you be able to get a prescription for a low dose of armodafinil/Nuvigil?

[Sarif]

Reducing compulsive thoughts is gonna take more than drugs. It's gonna take discipline. I've talked about meditation a number of times, right? What you need to understand that there is no logical structure nor algorithm for the brain (check out the book "The Mystery of Consciousness" for more on this, it's my favorite cognitive science book). So how much of the meditation have you tried? The thing is, the drugs (I include supplements as drugs), will help reduce the intensity in the obsessive circuits that have built up in your brain (look up Hebbian Learning). But realization of your problem is simply not enough. You know how they say 'knowing is half the battle'? Sometimes people don't realize that knowing is only half the battle. In other words, you need to override these circuits day by day. Every time a new obsessive thought takes root, you have to start programming into those illogical, experience-based circuits, "I don't want this thought. I no longer want think like this. This is not for me. I must create something new". It may seem simplistic, but day-by-day, this will cause Long-Term Depression for your obsessive circuits (LTD simply means the connections grow weaker), and create Long-Term Potentiation (opposite of LTD, the connections grow stronger) for the mentality you do want (once again, look up Hebbian Learning) to take it's place. This is possible (for me meditation has allowed me to get off previously need supps/meds by allowing my brain to learn to take the experience and perform it on its own). I can recommend more things that can give you the tools to help make these changes, but ultimately you will have to adjust the neuronal weights in your mind, or else, no matter what you take, you will always be some degree of stuck.

Would you be able to get a prescription for a low dose of armodafinil/Nuvigil?

 

Thanks a lot for your reply. I completely agree with you that drugs will help only to a certain extent, but in the end it's me who has to take matters in hand.

Actually I've tried meditation multiple times but couldn't continue because of the 2 reasons -1.Excessive sleepiness, 2.racing though(which is in fact the problem I'm trying to control by meditating). However, I'll start again.

 

I've read multiple books on mindfulness, meditation, social anxiety and low self-esteem. but as you said, only knowing about that doesn't do anything to reduce the problem, I'm just more aware about them. 

 

I'm able to get Waklert which is the the genric version of armodafinil. How much and when should I take it? Please note that I had very bad experience with modafinil and I was unable to sleep. Also what are your thoughts on racetam?

 

  Thanks,

[OneScrewLoose]

How much modafinil did you take and at what time of day?

[Sarif]

How much modafinil did you take and at what time of day?

 

I took 100 mg in the morning

[Sarif]

 

How much modafinil did you take and at what time of day?

 

I took 100 mg in the morning

I forgot to mention....for the last 2 days I've been taking the fat-burner 'Lipo-6 black'(http://in.iherb.com/...lack-Caps/27358). It' helping me with the sleepiness but causing trouble in sleep.

[Sarif]

Tried 50 mg of armodafinil this morning. Felt agitated the whole day. In the end got a headache. Now can't sleep. May be modafinil isn't for me. By the way, among the racetam only piracetam is available locally, should I try it?

[OneScrewLoose]

Can you try 25mg of armodfinil? I'd give that a shot, then we can look into the racetams.

[Sarif]

Sure I'll try that....will update you over the weekend..

[OneScrewLoose]

Also, I forgot to look at that Lipo-6 black shit? Why the hell are you even on that? If you don't like how Armodafinil, makes you feel, this would doubtfully make you feel good either. On top of that, it will only potentiate that 'unsettled'/tweaky effect of armodafinil that usually isn't there to a great extent, thanks to the alpha-2 antagonism from Yohimbine.

 

Then we got the, 'Methythexaneamine'.  I put that in quotes because it's actually spelled Methylhexaneamine. So they are either dumb as fuck or it's some sort of liability thing. It's usually DMAA, whose pharmacology we know a little about and has been tied to the death of some athletes and dieters.  Either way, not a good sign.

We got synephrine as a direct alpha-1 agonist to further give you that lovely flight-or-fight feel.

Up next is the wonderful '3,5 Diiodo-L-Thyronine', also known as T2 thyroid hormone. I'm sure a healthy person messing with their thyroid hormones could have no dire consequences right? Taking this long-term, assuming the dose is sufficient, could literally cause hypothyroidism when you get off it due to downregulation of internal T2 production. This is the first time I've EVER seen thyroid hormones in any supplement. I'd do anabolic steroids before thyroid hormones, because at least with proper precautions and a proper post-cycle it's usually safe.

 

Don't forget the various forms of PEA (phenylethylamine). If you are by chance on any MAO-B, like selegiline, and take this, the effect of th PEAs along with everything else in their could outright kill you. One of the scariest moments I've ever had was seeing my blood pressure at 200 mixing too much selegiline and PEA. And that's just regular PEA, not the methyl PEAs.

Last but not least, two cups of coffee worth of caffeine! w00t!


I have to ask, and this may be a bit dickish, but why the fucking fuck are you on this shit? The potential interactions with the things you are trying are vary numerous. Have you even tried armodafinil without this crap? Armodafinil and that cocktail of NE juice would be extremely synergistic, especially due to the alpha-2 antagonism of Yohimbine.

Throw this shit away bro.
 

Edited by OneScrewLoose, 20 July 2015 - 08:39 PM.

[Sarif]

Hi,

 

I read a few review on net and bought this. I should have done more research before buying. Thanks for the warning, I'll stop using this. You are right that when I took 50 mg of armodafinil, I also took 5 mg selegiline and 3 lipo-6 capsules. That may be the reason behind the agitated feeling. I'll try armodafinil minus the fat burner.

 

Other than that, I'm really eager to try some racetam.

 

thanks, 

[OneScrewLoose]

One thing at a time bro, We'll get to the racetams. However, without that poison, fat burner. You might find that you are quite tolerant to armodafinil. Start at 25mg and report back.

[Sarif]

One thing at a time bro, We'll get to the racetams. However, without that poison, fat burner. You might find that you are quite tolerant to armodafinil. Start at 25mg and report back.

 

Hi,

 

Here's my report on armodafinil:

 

22/07: Took 25 mg of armodfinil. In the morning felt a little unsettled, it stayed for less than 3 hours. Feeling sleepy from the morning.The fat burner might be harmful, but I'm missing the energizing effect. Had to take multiple cups of coffee. Got mild headache in the end. 

 

23/07: Same. felt sleepy. was getting bored at work, so left early.

 

24/07: increased the dosage to 50 mg. Same effect with more agitation.

 

25/07: same.

 

Maybe armodafinil/modafinil just isn't for me.

 

Can you please advise what to do next?

[OneScrewLoose]

Your body is still stabilizing itself, as it changed a lot, as you stopped rather quickly (which in this case is good). I would stick with 25mg of  Armodafinil for a while, and if you need some occasional energy boosts, get some Rhodiola, If you use it every day though, it loses some of its effect. But that does take 4-6 weeks.

[Sarif]

Your body is still stabilizing itself, as it changed a lot, as you stopped rather quickly (which in this case is good). I would stick with 25mg of  Armodafinil for a while, and if you need some occasional energy boosts, get some Rhodiola, If you use it every day though, it loses some of its effect. But that does take 4-6 weeks.

 

Thanks man. I'll continue with 25 mg of Armodafinil.

 

I've another question. This is month end and I need to refill my stack. Would you please suggest what are the things from my last stack I should buy again?

 

Here is the list of things I'm taking now -

 

Selegiline

Armodafinil

Fish Oil

Inositol

5-HTP

EGCG

L-Dopa

Clonidine

Chelated Magnesium

 

As inositol is too costly, can I stop it? Also, can I try some Piracetam?

[OneScrewLoose]

Seems reasonable. Make sure you take the chelated magnesium on and empty stomach, at night, if you can, and the Fish Oil wish food. I would add 2000IU/day of Vitamin D3 fo general health. I doubt that it will have any effect on the symptoms you've been describing, it's just a good idea.

What's your dose of each? How's the armodafinil now?

Yo can get 1kg of inositol @ powdercity.com for $40. That's 55 doses, and 72 cents per dose. Doesn't seem all to expensive to me. You just REALLY have to by in bulk.

 

I think piracetam + choline bitartrate is a good idea soon. Let's just get consistent dosing on the rest first.

[Sarif]

Hi,

 

This is my current dose for each:

 

Selegiline  –                  5mg
Armodafinil –                 25 mg/50 mg
Fish Oil -                       360 mg EPA / 240 mg DHA
Inositol –                       18g(stopped taking as my supply is finished)
5-HTP –                        100 mg
EGCG –                        400 mg
L-Dopa –                       60 mg
Clonidine –                    0.1 mg
Chelated Magnesium – 200mg

 

I think Armodafinil is helping me stay awake. The agitation is gone. Probably my body is getting used to it. I sometimes increase the dose to 50 mg.

 

As I'm planning to  place my order again, I think I'll order Piracetam and Choline as well together with other things(multiple orders means more customs duty). Can you please tell me what should be dosage for Piracetam and Choline daily so that I can order accordingly?

 

Also is there anything else that I am to use in the near future so that I can add that to the order as well?
 

[OneScrewLoose]

Do you take the L-DOPA and 5-HTP at the same time? If not, do you take the EGCG with each dose?

With the Piracetam, I recommend starting at 500mg with an equal amount of choline bitartrate powder. Then going to 2x/day. If you feel it's helping, I'd max out at 1g 2x/day.

I know something was up when you couldn't tolerate even 25mg of Armodafinil. Sometimes people don't realize how potent/dangerous OTC supps can be.

[Sarif]

I don't think I'm going to try another fat burner anytime soon

 

I take L-Dopa, 5-HTP and EGCG together before going to bed.

 

Regarding Piracetam, does it really work in that small dose? I read some where that for Piracetam to work we should take at least 9.6 gm/day and at least 4.8 gm/serving.

 

http://www.longecity...-48-grams-dose/

 

Thanks,

Sarif

[OneScrewLoose]

Looking into it, yes, that is a lower dose than I thought. Though 9.6g/day is definitely on the higher end. Start with the 500mg I mentioned, than slowly make your way to 2.5g x2/day, unless you feel you've hit the right spot before that.

[Sarif]

Hi,

 

I've ordered the things including piracetam and choline.

 

Meanwhile, one of my friend is travelling from US to India and I thought it'll be good chance to fill my stack for the next 5 months(no customs and internatonal delivery charge). Other than the above metioned products, do you think there is anything else that I'll be taking in the next 5 months?

 

Thanks as usual.