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[LifeMirage]

Below is a post on a few other forums from Matt at CNW:

"Hello all.

First off, I want to sincerely thank everyone who has emailed and called with their concearns for me with the upmost gratitude I can offer. Thank you.

Second, about the site and the missing products...I cant go into too much detail, but a case is being made against me for some of the products I sold.

What does this mean to you? Basically nothing. No need to freak out about anything as the case is soley focused on me. Please understand this.

Also understand as of now, CNW is open. I would like to ask for everyone's support...please, if you can help me out with a purchase, please do so...I have an initial idea of how much this will cost, and I do not see me being able to afford to defend myself.

To the men of faith here, please pray for me in this situation, for my strength and hope, for the hearts of those in opposition to be filled with compassion and mercy and for my family as well."

Edited by LifeMirage, 11 September 2005 - 08:37 PM.

[mitkat]

oh man. would it be in bad taste to ask if anyone knew what this legal battle is about?

[xanadu]

Apparently he was busted for selling certain research chems on his site. He had disclaimers which would seem to have protected him but when the government decides to get someone, they get them. The government which accepts bribes from the pharm industry, is working to keep everything off the market that the fda hasn't approved. It's the nanny state in full force and it's killing us. My limited experience with CNW indicated that he was a good guy. Now would be the time to support him with an order.

[scottl]

This first thought was that he was selling triac, though someone at avant just posted he was also selling evista (reloxifine).

[wannafulfill]

So I wonder why he removed the other, legal products like nefiracetam, pyritinol, and all those others. Maybe because they are "hot" in terms of being of grey legality. I don't know.

[liorrh]

He sold raloxifene, triac, clenbuterol, nolvadex, clomid, letrozole...

[enemy]

If I recall, those are all prescription, but are any of those DEA-scheduled chemicals?

[anubis]

Hmm...I would buy, but the site appears to still be down. Is there another way of purchasing from Custom Nutrition Warehouse?

[Mike M]

Those disclaimers mean nothing. Claiming something as a research chemical means nothing. As it turns out many of these nootropics are illegal to sell. I'm getting a law firm to officially inform me of what nootropics I can and can't sell. From speaking with matt personally, I have a feeling a lot of things are going to stop being sold. I'm way to large to risk government involvement over a few sku's.

[LifeMirage]

Those disclaimers mean nothing. Claiming something as a research chemical means nothing. As it turns out many of these nootropics are illegal to sell. I'm getting a law firm to officially inform me of what nootropics I can and can't sell. From speaking with matt personally, I have a feeling a lot of things are going to stop being sold. I'm way to large to risk government involvement over a few sku's.

As far as the legal status of nootropics 1Fast400 you may wish to pm me I’m aware of the current status of most nootropics.

[Mike M]

For legal reasons, I have to get it done by a lawyer. The one doing it only deals with nutritional based issues. Knowing things the DEA is going after, a lot of things are getting reday to change.

[LifeMirage]

For legal reasons, I have to get it done by a lawyer. The one doing it only deals with nutritional based issues. Knowing things the DEA is going after, a lot of things are getting reday to change.

The DEA does not regulate non-controlled substances that nootropics fall under…...I have dealt with lawyers regarding these issues for decades for a number of companies but if you would prefer no input from me that is your choice.

[Mike M]

I personally know some people who are having issues with the law over nootropics specifically. With some items, I'm sure I could go to court, in a lengthy battle and win on some items. However, I have no desire to have the government coming into my operation and snooping around. When people are having citrulline malate, garlic and a few othe random items seized from them by the government, I tend to get a little worried. While they might be in the wrong, I'm the one that has to pay the bill in court to prove it.

[LifeMirage]

I personally know some people who are having issues with the law over nootropics specifically. With some items, I'm sure I could go to court, in a lengthy battle and win on some items. However, I have no desire to have the government coming into my operation and snooping around. When people are having citrulline malate, garlic and a few othe random items seized from them by the government, I tend to get a little worried. While they might be in the wrong, I'm the one that has to pay the bill in court to prove it.

So you plan to remove all your nootropics from your website?

[scottl]

"citrulline malate, garlic" ???

[Mike M]

I will see what the lawyer says in their review. From there, I'll figure out what to do. I have 4 items that are being checked out:

Piracetam
Oxiracetam
Idebenone
Aniracetam

In regards to my other comments, yes that is true. Someone had garlic, ctrulline malate and a joint compound seized due to "claims" made in the description.

It is pretty simple, the DEA has realized that DSHEA can be enforced if they go after it. For years they just bitched about DSHEA, now they are looking through it to find out what they can/can't enforce.

[LifeMirage]

I will see what the lawyer says in their review. From there, I'll figure out what to do. I have 4 items that are being checked out:

Piracetam
Oxiracetam
Idebenone
Aniracetam

All of these are not currently FDA approved and thus subject to enforcement action by the FDA……....however Piracetam and Idebenone has been sold for well over 7 years in the US without any action taken by the FDA. Is there a risk?………of course but the risk is pretty small considering the vast array of dietary supplements being sold in the US not currently officially approved. The FDA normally gets actively involved when a drug company interests are effected……galantamine and pyridoxamine are good examples…..but fortunately in galantamine’s case Life Enhancement fought back and won, proving it was sold prior to its approval as a drug in the US.

I worked with Source Naturals (aka Threshold Enterprises) to get Idebenone approved but quickly rejected by the FDA…partly because Source Naturals did not try very hard unfortunately. But later that year the FDA raided Kirkman Labs who sells Idebenone only took and destroyed only their Taurine caps……why? well they made a medical claim on their site, a doctor complained to the FDA and viola FDA action.

In regards to my other comments, yes that is true. Someone had garlic, ctrulline malate and a joint compound seized due to "claims" made in the description.

Well its pretty simply just avoid making treatment/drug claims for dietary supplements.……….the FDA/FTC makes it clear what you can say in my opinion

It is pretty simple, the DEA has realized that DSHEA can be enforced if they go after it. For years they just bitched about DSHEA, now they are looking through it to find out what they can/can't enforce.

DEA does not touch anything unless it is chemically (or possibly has similar effects) related to currently regulated illegal drugs.....understandable with Andro (which only became illegal when Bush signed an amendment altering the law to make it possible) and possibly with DHEA and other hormones. But as far as Nootropics go the DEA has little jurisdiction over them at the moment.

[liorrh]

where then can a supplement seller inform the public on the effects of its supplement (researches publishing etc)? is it ok on forums etc?

[LifeMirage]

where then can a supplement seller inform the public on the effects of its supplement (researches publishing etc)? is it ok on forums etc?

In the Nootropic Supplier Discussion Forum.

[scottl]

AN e-mail I just got:

I just want to let everyone know that CNW has been re-opened.

I also want to thank everyone for their patience, support, and prayers during this time. It has meant more to me than I could possibly express here.

The catalogue has been downsized, but we will be adding new products on a very regular basis, so be on the lookout for those.

Also, we still have some current specials going:

Power Jolt Clearance

Get the old formula for $9.99 while suplies last.

http://www.customnut...products_id=154

Lean Support is buy 1 get 1 free

http://customnutriti...products_id=155

[xanadu]

That is good news. The one order I sent to CNW was perfect, no errors, no problems and it came fast. I also noticed that the amounts were slightly higher than advertised. Like if it was a 25gm bag, it weighed in at 26gm even allowing for the weight of the bag. I was impressed by that and also by the show of support that came from people who had known him for a long time. I will for sure check them out again.