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The Cause of Alzheimer's - Chlamydia Pneumoniae (CP)

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 09:44 PM


The cause:

 

The cause of AD is an infection.  
Usually the infectious agent is a bacteria 'Clamydia pneumoniea'
(pron new-moan-ee-ay)  
This is not the sexually transmitted infection commonly spoken of in the
same breath as candida.  
This is a related bacteria that sometimes leads to pneumonia-like symptoms.

The evidence (part 1):

Research into AD has focused for so long on amyloid plagues
that almost everyone takes it for granted that it's somehow
the 'taken-for-granted' cause.

It's not the cause, it's a red herring, focusing on it
has simply thwarted progress, however, it is a clue.

If you compare the brains of 19 (dead) Alzheimer's patients and
compare them with brains of 19 non-Alzeimer's controls,
you find that 17 of the 19 Alzheimer brains are positive for Chlamydia
pneumoniea (CP), whereas 18 of the 19 control brains are free of CP.
(source: http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/9749980)

The amyloid beta-protein is an anti-microbial protein.
It's produced by the body in response to a microbial attack.
(source: http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/20209079)

If you deliberately infect human monocytes with CP, it causes a pattern
of cytokine release which is consistent with Alzheimer's (in vitro)
(source: http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/25540075)

CP is an airbourne disease.  It's believed that it enters the body
through the nasal passages.  Contaminates the nasal nerves and then
migrates through to the hippocampal areas and the spreads to deeper
cortical areas.

If you take CP and intranasally infect mice.  They develop the
characteristic pattern of amyloid deposition in the olfactory bulb
and cerebum.  CP causes amyloid build up in the areas it infects.
(source: http://www.ncbi.nlm....es/PMC4257355/)

This is consistent with sterotypical pattern for AD progression
in humans. It appears to start in olfactory nerves and moves backwards
into the brain before spreading into the cortical regions.

Stomach Ulcers

Before continuing with the rest of the evidence, i want to tell you
about the peptic ulcer story.  Several decades ago, there was a huge
and very profitable industry selling 'stomach ulcer' drugs and
performing expensive (and usually unsuccessful) surgerical procedures
to remove sections of stomach tissue.  Big Pharma was happy.  Big 'Med'
was happy.  People were cashing in.  Then one day two Australian
doctors started publishing papers and writing to medical bodies
saying they'd found the solution to the stomach ulcer problem.
It was a simple bacteria called helicobacter pylori.

Stomach ulcers could be defeated with a simple antibiotic.

Were Big Pharma and Big 'Med' delighted at the news ?
Were the two Australian doctors embraced as heroes into the bossom
of the medical establishment?  
Err...No.  And No.   
Review papers emphasised the established consensus causes:

'stress', 'overwork', 'cigarettes and alcohol', 'rich food' etc.
It was argued that these bacteria were _not_ found in ulcer patients
and these bacteria _were_ found in patients without ulcers.
(bullshit,  of-course)

The Australian doctors were Barry Marshall and Robin Warren.
They were simply and quietly ignored and contradictory papers came
out to muddy the waters so that others doubted their claims.
One of the doctors infected himself with the bacteria, demonstrated
the classic stomach ulcer symptomology in himself, recorded all this on

video for a documentary, and then cured himself with a simple antibiotic.
Even after that, stomach surgeries were still performed, ulcer drugs
were still being sold.  It took years, before antibiotics became the
preferred treatment for stomach ulcers.  

 

All that needless human suffering in the name of profit. 

There's a documentary about all this floating around on the internet,

somewhere... alas, i couldn't find it. (If any reader knows where this

documentary is, please let me know).

From the point of view of Big Pharma and Big 'Med' the prospect of
publishing some contradictory research evidence is, apparently,
an easier pill to swallow than losing millions in annual revenue.

The evidence (part 2)

The hero of the Chlamydia Pneumoniae story is Professor
Brian Balin.  

A summary of his progress up to 2004 was the subject of an
article in the Economist
(source:http://www.economist.../node/2521224/)

This article is provided in toto below:



Alzheimer's disease Barking up the wrong tree?

ALZHEIMER'S disease is a problem of old age. In America, there is about
a 50% chance that an individual will have developed it by the age of 85.
As people live longer, its prevalence rises, and so does the incentive to
find out how it works and treat it. But although the changes in the brain
that accompany Alzheimer's memory loss are being disentangled, the
underlying cause remains mysterious.

Most research has proceeded on the assumption that this cause is internal,
either genetic, or a side effect of the general wear and tear that accompanies
ageing. But a few years ago, Brian Balin of the Philadelphia College of
Osteopathic Medicine looked at the brains of 19 people who had died of
Alzheimer's and compared them with 19 people of the same age who had died of
other causes. All but two of the Alzheimer's brains had something in common:
they harboured a bacterium known as Chlamydia pneumoniae. Only one of the
non-Alzheimer's brains had this bug in it. That observation raised the
possibility that sometimes, at least, Alzheimer's is caused by an infection.
This is a controversial idea. But research that is about to be published in the
journal Neurobiology of Aging, by Dr Balin and his colleagues, suggests it
might be right.

The problem with the original observation was that Chlamydia is maddeningly common.
Typically, the bug causes mild pneumonia, a persistent cough and a low-grade fever.
Half of all people in their 20s have been exposed to it, and almost everyone has
crossed the bacterium's path by the time they reach old age. Finding evidence of
Chlamydia in brain tissue from an autopsy therefore means little. Nor does the
apparent correlation with Alzheimer's prove anything. It might simply be that
brains which are riddled with the “amyloid” protein plaques which characterise
the disease are also more susceptible to infection.

However, the idea that common pathogens are the culprits behind several diseases
that have not previously been thought of as infections is gaining ground. A
bacterium called Helicobacter pylori, for example, is now believed to be the
main cause of stomach ulcers. And Chlamydia itself has possible (though disputed)
links with heart disease.

To gather evidence that Chlamydia might be causing Alzheimer's disease, rather
than merely profiting from it, Dr Balin decided to see if the bug could induce
Alzheimer's-like symptoms in mice. He and his colleagues chose a kind of mouse
that does not naturally develop amyloid brain-plaques. They then sprayed a
strain of the bacterium that had been harvested from human Alzheimer's patients,
up the mice's noses.

One to three months after doing so, Dr Balin killed his mice and examined their
brains. All the animals had developed plaques. Moreover, the longer an animal
lived after the initial infection, the more plaques it had, and the larger they were.

Dr Balin and his team therefore think that Chlamydia may indeed be a trigger for
Alzheimer's. Their working hypothesis is that the low-grade infection causes
inflammation, which in turn causes the amyloid to start gumming up. (It is well
known that people who have taken a lot of anti-inflammatory drugs during their
lifetimes are less likely to suffer from Alzheimer's than others.)

That hypothesis is taken further in another paper about to be published—this time
in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, by Jeffery Kelly of the
Scripps Research Institute in San Diego and his colleagues. One consequence of
inflammation is the production of ozone, a highly reactive form of oxygen. This,
in turn, reacts with normal body chemicals such as cholesterol, to produce poisons.
Among these poisons are a group of chemicals called atheronals. Dr Kelly has now
shown that atheronals can, at least in a test tube, trigger the sort of misfolding
in amyloid proteins which is believed to lead to the formation of plaques. He has
also found atheronals in the brains of Alzheimer's patients, although they exist in
people of similar age who have not had Alzheimer's, as well, which weakens the
theory somewhat.

Nevertheless, the pieces are coming together. Dr Balin is not claiming that
Chlamydia is the only thing that can trigger the inflammation that leads to
Alzheimer's. But his work suggests that it might be a common trigger. If he is
right, the implications could be huge. The surgical removal of stomach ulcers was
once a major industry. Now, sufferers are given a course of antibiotics. If a
similar treatment could deal with Alzheimer's, a healthier old age might be
bought in the same way.

 

Given that Economist article appeared in 2004,  why hasn't Professor Balin been
given a multi-million dollar research grant ?  
Why do we not have a vaccine to the Chlamydia Pneumoniae(CP) bacteria ?

Surely, if we can demonstrate that AD symptomology can be experimentally
induced in mice with CP ... and we find the CP bacteria in the brains of
deceased AD victims  (and not in the brains of non-AD sufferers) then
shouldn't Balin be given funding to pursue his research in monkeys ?  
Why has nothing changed in the last 11 years ?

 

Research Questions:

(1)  There is a strong correspondence between type Type 2 Diabetes (T2D) and AD symptoms:
 => We find amyloid plaques in the pancreas of T2D patients.
 => We find T2D leads to neuropathy and cognitive & memory deficits.
 => We find that high blood sugar is an early marker for AD, and that
    AD suffers very often have insulin insensitivity.
 => We find evidence that T2D patients develop AD with a high frequency.
 Given this: do we find CP in the brains and pancreas of T2D patients ?
 
(2)  Is Chlamydia Pneumoniea similar to it's sister bacteria, chlamydia trachomatis,
in that it prefers, and proliferates, in an acid and high blood sugar environment ?

Might this explain the recent explosion in both diabetes and AD rates in China
and Japan (where both populations have heavily increased their meat consumption and
significant reduced their rice consumption) ?
Hence, might we control AD with a low sugar, vegetarian (and/or alkali) diet ?

 

(3)  We know that glycotoxins are massively increased in a diet that:

(a) has animal products

(b) is cooked.

The japanese and chinese populations have moved to a diet with a

higher glycotoxin load in recent decades... and experienced dramatically

higher rates of T2D and AD.

Could a higher glycotoxin load undermine the immune system in

a way that facilitates the proliferation of CP ?

 

Resources:

If you would like to know more about Professor Balin, here are his details:
http://works.bepress...in/doctype.html
Professor, Dept. of Pathology,
Microbiology, Immunology and Forensic Medicine
(His published papers are listed there)

Here's a detailed paper (2012) by Prof Balin entitled:
'Evidence for an Infectous Etiology in Alzheimer's Disease'
 http://cdn.intechope...fs-wm/25201.pdf
 
There is a non-profit website for CP sufferers:
http://cpnhelp.org/ ...help.org/      

 

 

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 11:45 PM

I have a craving for sugar, an addiction I can't control. I am going demented. My son is a type 2 diabetic. A friend is also going demented. He has suffered from pneumonia. I feel as if another conscious entity has taken over my brain. I have decided to take supplements to lower my blood sugar as I have this insane urge to eat loads of sugar that as I say I can't control. Feeling pretty desperate. I see from the CP website that this is associated with MS as well. I think after reading this that my husband must be a carrier. He has a very high sugar diet with minimal damage compared to myself and my son. This is beginning to feel like a science fiction nightmare. I have been trying to cut down on sugar for 6 months now and I keep succumbing to temptation. Why can I not just give it up under the direst of circumstances? Are others safe to be near me? If I breathe the same air as others are they safe? Is that how it is passed on? Help.



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Posted 25 June 2015 - 11:48 PM

I forgot to say I'm asking about the MS connection because I've also had problems walking



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 12:27 AM

There has also been said on the other hand to be an association between Lyme Disease and AD.


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 06:40 AM

I have a craving for sugar, an addiction I can't control. I am going demented. My son is a type 2 diabetic. A friend is also going demented. He has suffered from pneumonia. I feel as if another conscious entity has taken over my brain. I have decided to take supplements to lower my blood sugar as I have this insane urge to eat loads of sugar that as I say I can't control. Feeling pretty desperate. I see from the CP website that this is associated with MS as well. I think after reading this that my husband must be a carrier. He has a very high sugar diet with minimal damage compared to myself and my son. This is beginning to feel like a science fiction nightmare. I have been trying to cut down on sugar for 6 months now and I keep succumbing to temptation. Why can I not just give it up under the direst of circumstances? Are others safe to be near me? If I breathe the same air as others are they safe? Is that how it is passed on? Help.

 

Well, CP is passed by coughing and sneezing.

 

We don't know that you have CP.

 

Has a doctor given you a diagnosis of AD or MS etc ?
 



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 06:57 AM

I forgot to say I'm asking about the MS connection because I've also had problems walking

 

There seems to be a strong connection with MS and CP:

(1) Apparently many of the people that login to the forums at

cpnhelp.org (the support group for CP suffers) have an MS diagnosis.

 

(2) There seems to be more research work in the area of CP and MS.

When i do a search on PubMed for CP and MS, i get 114 hits.

When i do a search on PubMed for CP and AD, i get 71 hits.

 

Professor Balin, to the best of my knowledge, didn't investigate MS, he was

originally more concerned with AD.  Perhaps CP is a common pathogen

in the etiology of AD, MS, Parkinson's, Huntington's ... etc.

 

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 08:46 AM

Imagine that you could take an antibiotic pill, that would kill off any pathogens

that cause the dementia diseases (AD, MS, Huntingtons, Parkinsons etc).

 

How much would Big Pharma lose in annual drug revenues ?

Millions or Billions ?

 

How much would Big 'Med' lose in annual treatment and 'care' revenues ?

Millions or Billions ?

 

How much would the pension funds lose in additional annual payouts for

millions of people living 5, 10, 15 years longer ?  Billions upon Billions.

 

Probably, there isn't going to be any big effort by Big Pharma to solve this.

 

Perhaps the solutions will need to be figured out by individuals working together.

 

 

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 09:16 AM

Meta-analytic studies are always more persuasive than individual studies because

they bring together results from many different studies and hence, any 'fluke' or

aberrant results get washed out by the weight of other research results. 

With a meta-analysis you get to see real trends and effects.

 

With that in mind, here's a brand spanking new (2015) meta-analysis.

In fact, this is the first ever meta-analysis on the issue of AD and infectious diseases.

 

title: Bacterial Infection and Alzheimer's Disease: A Meta-Analysis

 
Abstract: The possibility of an infectious etiology for Alzheimer's disease (AD) has been repeatedly postulated over the past three decades.
We provide the first meta-analysis to address the relationship between bacterial infection and AD.
Studies examining the association between AD and spirochetal bacteria or Chlamydophila pneumoniae (Cpn)
were identified through a systematic search of the databases MEDLINE, EMBASE, PubMed, and Google Scholar.
Data combined from 25 relevant, primarily case-control studies demonstrated a statistically significant association
between AD and detectable evidence of infection of either bacterial group.
We found over a ten-fold increased occurrence of AD when there is detectable evidence of spirochetal infection
(OR: 10.61; 95% CI: 3.38–33.29) and over a four-fold increased occurrence of AD in a conservative risk estimate
(OR: 4.45; 95% CI: 2.33–8.52).
We found over a five-fold increased occurrence of AD with Cpn infection (OR: 5.66; 95% CI: 1.83–17.51).
This study shows a strongly positive association between bacterial infection and AD.
Further detailed investigation of the role of bacterial infection is warranted.
 
DOI: 10.3233/JAD-140621
Journal: Journal of Alzheimer's Disease, vol. 43, no. 3, 2015
 

 

This is a summary of 25 different studies.

They're saying.. 'yes, bacterial infections cause AD'.

 

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 09:50 AM

http://www.ncbi.nlm....icles/PMC86976/

By the way, as you can see it's indeed possible to post links that actually work...



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 11:57 AM

So what do the people at cpnhelp.org (the Chlamydia Pneumoniae (CP) support website)

recommend as treatments for CP infection ?

 

Looking at the website, there are emphases upon:

 

(1) vitamin D3

See here: http://cpnhelp.org/vitamin_d_1

 

(2) Combined Antibiotic Protocols (CAP)

See here: http://cpnhelp.org/treatment_protocols

 

I gather from reading various pages on the website that

individual antibiotics reduce the bacteria but don't eleminate

it altogether, so instead they take two antibiotics at the same

time and take them over a prolonged period.

 

There's no vaccine for CP.

 

It would be nice to know how CP reacts to  exposure to common herbs and spices,

eg turmeric, sage, oregano, rosemary, garlic, cloves etc.

(I suspect it really doesn't like turmeric)

 

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 05:00 PM

Here's a May 2015 study for CP (and other bacteria) in the etiology of Parkinson's Disease:

 

 

Parkinsonism Relat Disord. 2015 May 30. pii: S1353-8020(15)00233-3. doi: 10.1016/j.parkreldis.2015.05.015. [Epub ahead of print]

The association between infectious burden and Parkinson's disease: A case-control study.

Abstract INTRODUCTION:

The etiology of Parkinson's disease (PD) remains unclear. The aim of this study was to examine the association between common pathogenic infections and PD.

METHODS:

Antibody titers to common infectious pathogens including cytomegalovirus (CMV), Epstein Barr virus (EBV),herpes simplex virus type-1 (HSV-1), Borrelia burgdorferi (B. burgdorferi), Chlamydophila pneumoniae (C. pneumoniae) and Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori) were measured by ELISA in serum of 131 PD patients and 141 normal controls. Infectious burden (IB) was defined as a composite serologic measure of exposure to these common pathogens.

RESULTS:

Seropositivities toward zero-two, three-four and five-six of these pathogens were found in 11%, 74% and 15% of normal controls while in 4%, 61% and 35% of PD patients, respectively. IB, bacterial burden and viral burden were independently associated with PD. Schwab and England (S&E) scores were negatively correlated with IB in patients with PD. Serum α-synuclein protein levels and inflammatory cytokines (interleukin-1β and interleukin-6) in individuals with higher IB were also significantly higher.

CONCLUSIONS:

IB consisting of CMV, EBV, HSV-1, B. burgdorferi, C. pneumoniae and H. pylori is associated with PD. This study supports the role of infection in the etiology of PD.

 

 

So, not necessarily Chlamydia Pneumoniae...

 

But bacterial & viral infections do cause both Alzheimer’s and Parkinson's disease.

 

Protecting ourselves, and our loved ones, might be as simple as taking antibiotics and/or vaccines.

 

I invite you to reflect on what we've all been told for decades, that dementias (all types) are:

     progressive, irreversible and there's no effective treatment.

 

Clearly, that's incorrect.

 

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 09:03 PM

Some details for Chlamydia Pneumoniae testing (taken from the cpnhelp.org website)

 

Cpn testing
Submitted by MirHW on Sun, 2014-09-28 19:37

For anyone needing this information - blood testing for Chlamydia Pneumonia is no longer available in Ontario, Canada. To my knowledge, the most complete test is offered in Ausburg, Germany, as they offer the Elispot LTT in adition to IgGi and IgA tests.

Chlamydia Pneumoniae antibodies

Chlam.pneum.-IgG-antibodies (ELISA)

Chlam.pneum.-IgA-antibodies (ELISA)

Chlamydia pneumoniae Elispot LTT

Unlike Igenex blood for Infectolab does not have to be refrigerated or shaken, however it must arrive in Germany by DHL within 48 hours. Have you blood drawn on Monday by an MD or ND then arrange pickup or take it to a DHL international shipping location to make sure it gets to Germany by Wednesday.

All paperwork, needles with syringes, with detailed instructions & DHL packaging is included with the testkit. The price for the DHL shipping is included with the price for testing. MD or ND has to sign off on this and the results will go directly to him/her.

Infecto lab contact:
Msi. Andrea Foag (I spoke with Andrea, she speaks fairly good English, she will send you the testkit at no charge)

service@infectolab.de

011 49 821 455 0740

USA/worldwide contact:

(she will send the testkit to anyone requiring it worldwide = I spoke with her =she is very approachable and willing to mail me the test kit but it was already on its way to me from Germany:

Ms. Sue Vogan

717-254-1953

svlabtestkit@gmail.com



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Posted 26 June 2015 - 09:21 PM

I recall lurking on the cpnhelp site for a little while a few years back.  As I recall, heavy supplementation of n-acetyl cysteine (2400 mgs/day, IIRC) was a critical part of the protocol espoused over there.  I have read somewhere (can't remember where for the life of me) that a blood test for CP is not conclusive.


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Posted 26 June 2015 - 10:24 PM

I recall lurking on the cpnhelp site for a little while a few years back.  As I recall, heavy supplementation of n-acetyl cysteine (2400 mgs/day, IIRC) was a critical part of the protocol espoused over there.  I have read somewhere (can't remember where for the life of me) that a blood test for CP is not conclusive.

 

Hi Jackhill41,

 

yes, you're right. 

 

NAC is in some way toxic to the CP bacteria;

On the website they have a chart on supplements that describes NAC  as follows: 

      "Kills Cpn Elementary Bodies. (EB’s)"

 

source: http://cpnhelp.org/p...mentschart.html

 

NAC is a known detoxing agent,

is liver protective, an anti-oxidant  and

a precursor for Glutathione etc.

 

The dosage they suggest is 2 X 600mg per day.

 

It's probably a good 'supplement' for dementia suffers, and non-dementia suffers generally.

 

I'm not yet familiar with the details for CP testing.

Your suggestion that the test is not conclusive sounds reasonable however, 

i gather the bacteria hides itself on the inside of cells... as if pretending to be a virus.

 

It seems to me that some independent little pharma company could make multi-millions

by devising a vaccine to CP.  CP is implicated in all the dementias (except Huntington's)

heart disease, atherosclerosis, diabetes, asthma, etc.  The demand for a vaccine

would be truly enormous.

 

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 11:09 PM

It's possible that my son who is T2D contracted this in the womb. It was only a few days after he left hospital after being born that he came down with Asthma!


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Posted 30 June 2015 - 04:25 AM

Here's a May 2015 study for CP (and other bacteria) in the etiology of Parkinson's Disease:

 

 

Parkinsonism Relat Disord. 2015 May 30. pii: S1353-8020(15)00233-3. doi: 10.1016/j.parkreldis.2015.05.015. [Epub ahead of print]

The association between infectious burden and Parkinson's disease: A case-control study.

Abstract INTRODUCTION:

The etiology of Parkinson's disease (PD) remains unclear. The aim of this study was to examine the association between common pathogenic infections and PD.

METHODS:

Antibody titers to common infectious pathogens including cytomegalovirus (CMV), Epstein Barr virus (EBV),herpes simplex virus type-1 (HSV-1), Borrelia burgdorferi (B. burgdorferi), Chlamydophila pneumoniae (C. pneumoniae) and Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori) were measured by ELISA in serum of 131 PD patients and 141 normal controls. Infectious burden (IB) was defined as a composite serologic measure of exposure to these common pathogens.

RESULTS:

Seropositivities toward zero-two, three-four and five-six of these pathogens were found in 11%, 74% and 15% of normal controls while in 4%, 61% and 35% of PD patients, respectively. IB, bacterial burden and viral burden were independently associated with PD. Schwab and England (S&E) scores were negatively correlated with IB in patients with PD. Serum α-synuclein protein levels and inflammatory cytokines (interleukin-1β and interleukin-6) in individuals with higher IB were also significantly higher.

CONCLUSIONS:

IB consisting of CMV, EBV, HSV-1, B. burgdorferi, C. pneumoniae and H. pylori is associated with PD. This study supports the role of infection in the etiology of PD.

 

 

So, not necessarily Chlamydia Pneumoniae...

 

But bacterial & viral infections do cause both Alzheimer’s and Parkinson's disease.

 

Protecting ourselves, and our loved ones, might be as simple as taking antibiotics and/or vaccines.

 

I invite you to reflect on what we've all been told for decades, that dementias (all types) are:

     progressive, irreversible and there's no effective treatment.

 

Clearly, that's incorrect.

 

Playground.

 

The difference between 11/74/15% and 4/61/35% with that sample size is of questionable statistical significance. But perhaps PD is not as strictly correlated to these pathogens as AD is to CP.

 

But then I really don't understand how we separate causality from mere association here. I mean, perhaps people with AD simply have worse personal hygiene, so they're more susceptible to airbourne pathogens. For instance, their dementia causes them to forget to wash their hands, or turn away when someone sneezes, etc. So what's the evidence for cause vs mere association?

 

But let's say that CP is in fact the cause in most cases. Is there any evidence to suggest that killing it years after the fact will reverse the dementia? Or is it irrelevant as soon as the amyloid aggregation cascade gets going?



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Posted 30 June 2015 - 11:17 AM

Great thread playground, I do not have time right now but I urge you to make a research on microbial biofilm that would make a chronic infection virtually untreatable with an only antibiotic therapy.

 

Also you should look into Clorine Dioxide, DO NOT PHARMA "TROLLS" DISSUADE YOU that is dangerous or not effective! I have taken antibiotics FOR YEARS! for a chronic infection and I have "evidence" that only chlorine dioxide works safely clearing small bumbs (microbial cysts) I had before taking chlorine dioxide for months now. Clorine dioxide is a weak oxidant very effective in destroying biofilm, kills microbes through oxidation NO CHLORINATION and reading about it from some independent experts its weak enough to not harm human cells, and in any case its better to get some oxidant stress and get well from a chronic infection than the other way...

 

edit: check experiences for "MMS" and chronic infections first, there are thousand positive experiences on line!

 

Second edit: The person that gave me the "dangerous irresponsible" have tried Chlorine Dioxide? I have been taking this stuff for months, with no side effects at all! I seriously considered suicide for the infection I have, serious chronic brain fog, depression, almost not being able to stand on my feet for more than a couple hours and now I feel 95% better, so you are making a deservice to anyone considering it! 


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Posted 30 June 2015 - 11:46 AM

DO NOT PHARMA "TROLLS" DISSUADE YOU that is dangerous or not effective!  ..

 

Second edit: The person that gave me the dangerous irresponsible have tried Chlorine Dioxide? ... so you are making a deservice to anyone considering it! 

 

The 'dangerous, irresponsible' down vote seems only a indicator of how many phrama-trolls are online at a given time here. Since when a responsible voter would want to warn of a real danger, he/she certainly would do it verbatim to drive home their point.

 

Come on guys, gimme some more.. :-D
 


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Posted 30 June 2015 - 11:55 AM

 

Here's a May 2015 study for CP (and other bacteria) in the etiology of Parkinson's Disease:

 

 

Parkinsonism Relat Disord. 2015 May 30. pii: S1353-8020(15)00233-3. doi: 10.1016/j.parkreldis.2015.05.015. [Epub ahead of print]

The association between infectious burden and Parkinson's disease: A case-control study.

Abstract INTRODUCTION:

The etiology of Parkinson's disease (PD) remains unclear. The aim of this study was to examine the association between common pathogenic infections and PD.

METHODS:

Antibody titers to common infectious pathogens including cytomegalovirus (CMV), Epstein Barr virus (EBV),herpes simplex virus type-1 (HSV-1), Borrelia burgdorferi (B. burgdorferi), Chlamydophila pneumoniae (C. pneumoniae) and Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori) were measured by ELISA in serum of 131 PD patients and 141 normal controls. Infectious burden (IB) was defined as a composite serologic measure of exposure to these common pathogens.

RESULTS:

Seropositivities toward zero-two, three-four and five-six of these pathogens were found in 11%, 74% and 15% of normal controls while in 4%, 61% and 35% of PD patients, respectively. IB, bacterial burden and viral burden were independently associated with PD. Schwab and England (S&E) scores were negatively correlated with IB in patients with PD. Serum α-synuclein protein levels and inflammatory cytokines (interleukin-1β and interleukin-6) in individuals with higher IB were also significantly higher.

CONCLUSIONS:

IB consisting of CMV, EBV, HSV-1, B. burgdorferi, C. pneumoniae and H. pylori is associated with PD. This study supports the role of infection in the etiology of PD.

 

 

So, not necessarily Chlamydia Pneumoniae...

 

But bacterial & viral infections do cause both Alzheimer’s and Parkinson's disease.

 

Protecting ourselves, and our loved ones, might be as simple as taking antibiotics and/or vaccines.

 

I invite you to reflect on what we've all been told for decades, that dementias (all types) are:

     progressive, irreversible and there's no effective treatment.

 

Clearly, that's incorrect.

 

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P1 - The difference between 11/74/15% and 4/61/35% with that sample size is of questionable statistical significance. But perhaps PD is not as strictly correlated to these pathogens as AD is to CP.

 

P2 - But then I really don't understand how we separate causality from mere association here. I mean, perhaps people with AD simply have worse personal hygiene, so they're more susceptible to airbourne pathogens. For instance, their dementia causes them to forget to wash their hands, or turn away when someone sneezes, etc. So what's the evidence for cause vs mere association?

 

P3 - But let's say that CP is in fact the cause in most cases. Is there any evidence to suggest that killing it years after the fact will reverse the dementia? Or is it irrelevant as soon as the amyloid aggregation cascade gets going?

 

 

P1 - The sample size seems okay for this kind of study. 131 + 141 = 272 individuals.

For between group comparisons the general statistics guideline is that you need a minimum of 10  in each group.

 

P2 - Yes, it's not clear what the exact sequence of events is here.  Association does not imply causation.

One thing is for sure though, the presence of pathogens at the crime scene, at statistically significant rates,

means... they are not there 'incidentally'... by chance.  Something ... is going on.

Either these pathogens have a hand in causing the disease or they're profiting from it.

 

We know, for example, that amyloid is an anti-microbial peptide... (created in response to a microbe).

Maybe the sequence is this... microbial infection causes the body to create amyloid protein.

The high levels of glycotoxins in the environment allow for the easy aggregation of these proteins into

long chains of proteins that become 'tangles' and plaques.

That to me, that seems like a plausible sequence.

 

The implications of this sequence are:

1.  If you can remove the glycotoxins from your body you can prevent the aggregation of amyloid proteins

2.  If you can remove the pathogens, you can prevent any new amyloid proteins from forming.

 

Addressing #1 is possible with lifestyle and dietary changes.

Addressing #2 is harder, current antibiotics have less than 100% efficiency.

 

Pathogens of various types are prevalent in meat (especially chicken, apparently)

glycotoxins form when you cook proteins with carbohydrates

carbohydrate + protein spikes insulin much more than carbohydrate alone.

 

Maybe vegans have the lowest rates of T2D and T3D because they:

1.  don't repeatedly re-infect themselves with pathogens

2.  consume fewer glycotoxins because they dont cook meat proteins.

3.  because they never cook animal proteins and carbs together their insulin levels never spike very high.

 

P3 - I suspect that your body will naturally remove the amyloid plaques ... perhaps slowly, over time.

Cerebral shrinkage occurs over the course of decades. 

It's estimated that 'normal' shrinkage occurs at a rate of about 2% per year after

the age of ... i forget.. 40 ? 50 ? .

I believe this occurs because your body removes 'dead', or non-functional, tissue from your brain.

 

I suspect that a key trigger to the body's natural detoxing mechanisms is exercise.

Exercise naturally generates wear and tear all over the body. 

The body responds with catabolism to break down and remove waste proteins and bodily tissue.

And the body responds with anabolism to build up the body again.

 

We know that reversal of arterial plaques is achieved by Dean Ornish with

a veggie diet and exercise (over several years)

 

You just have to ensure that plaques are cleared at a faster rate than they accumulate.

 

So regular exercise would help greatly with that.

Perhaps these AGE 'cross-link' breakers would help too.

 

We know that danshen prevents amyloid formation and induces disaggregation of amyloid proteins.

We know that hong hua will dissolve both kidney stones and urinary stones.

These two facts make me wonder if danhong might help to dissolve away amyloid plaques.

(note: danhong = danshen + hong hua)

Perhaps there's research on this question going on right now.

 

Here's two left field thoughts.

 

1.   The gerson therapy is remarkably effective.  Conspicuously effective.

Many of their clients are terminal patients... patients told by their doctor:

'there's nothing more we can do for you, go home...'

The gerson therapy cures between 20% and 33% of those patients... depending on the type of the cancer.

I wonder if there's some really potent antibiotic hiding away in apples, or kale or broccoli.

 

2.   I watched several documentaries about Essiac.  I was very interested by that story.

Basically it was a herbal tea, originally invented by local indians, that proved remarkably

effective against lots of different types of cancer.  

It had the reputation of being an anti-cancer and people flocked to see Rene Caisse.

Some people came that didn't have cancer.

I remember the story, told by Rene herself in an interview, of how one patient had a tumor...

and the essaic cured her diabetes as well.  But this was puzzling, how could Essiac cure (type 2) diabetes ?

I now suspect that Essiac is a potent antibiotic... and should be trialed with T2D and T3D.

 

T2D and T3D have a common cause, or are the same disease. 

Anything that addresses T2D addresses T3D.

For the reasons given above, i believe that all dementias (except Huntington's) can be halted, cured and reversed.

 

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 01:37 PM

I would like to mention another weird panacea. Terpentine I have been having a little success with Red Pine Needle Oil. It is very expensive a cheaper alternative would be terpentine and there are several videos about terpentine's efficacy in healing on YouTube. www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0QTVb-oFUw and www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B3QLB2mnZc

I would also like to ask Strangelove how long it took the brain fog to clear on MMS? Knowing that it would take longer for me to get better. I ordered some MMS from New Zealand and was also wondering where Strangelove got his from. If he is a supplier of it too. Only a very small amount of terpentine is safe to use nevertheless a much larger amount than is needed for MMS.

 


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Posted 30 June 2015 - 01:59 PM

Pine needles contain rutin I think rutin either contains NGF or something that can make NGF in vitro. Pine Needles are supposed to be taken on a full dose on a sugar free diet so I am fasting but I am thinking of reducing the dose when I go out this evening. Terpentine has to taken with sugar because one is pretending to take a bait for the bacteria in order to persuade it to take the poison. However they have been introduced to the pine needles 1st so not sure if that is still a good plan. I intend taking substances to stop my sugar levels spiking Ursolic Acid, White Mulbery Leaf and Vanadium and Chromium. Since taking this I have found walking easier and the tinnitus seems  somewhat reduced. I intend keeping this up indefinitely unless something better comes along like MMS?


I have also been thinking about becoming a vegetarian or reducing meat intake drastically


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Posted 30 June 2015 - 03:29 PM

 

2.   I watched several documentaries about Essiac.  I was very interested by that story.

Basically it was a herbal tea, originally invented by local indians, that proved remarkably

effective against lots of different types of cancer.  

It had the reputation of being an anti-cancer and people flocked to see Rene Caisse.

Some people came that didn't have cancer.

I remember the story, told by Rene herself in an interview, of how one patient had a tumor...

and the essaic cured her diabetes as well.  But this was puzzling, how could Essiac cure (type 2) diabetes ?

I now suspect that Essiac is a potent antibiotic... and should be trialed with T2D and T3D.

 

 

It appears that Essiac for diabetes is quite a common use for Essiac.

 

See here:  http://essiacfacts.c...a-for-diabetes/

 

There seems to be two suggestions here.

1. that essiac is normalising blood sugar

2. that it re-starts insulin production or addresses insulin insensitivity

But clearly... these are speculations.

 

And Essiac is supposedly helpful for arthritis and asthma.

We know that both of these conditions can be caused by bacterial infections.

 

Essiac is composed of 4 herbs:

Burdock Root (arctium lappa)

powdered sheep sorrel (rumex acetosella)

powered slipper elm bark (ulmus rubra/fulva)

powered Turkey Rhubarb root (rheum palmatum)

source: http://www.healthfre... for Essiac.htm

 

I'm willing to bet that,  at least one of them, is a potent antibiotic.

 

why doesn't somone, with a handy lab and access to lots of mice or rats,

infect the animals with CP, establish that  the animals are definitely infected.

Then add essiac to their water for 3 months...

then check back to see if the CP is still there ?

My money says.... the CP infection will be gone, or present in the very smallest of levels.

 

Who will take my bet ?

 

Essiac is non-toxic. 

Essiac is thought is thought to be an effective detox agent.

Essiac is known to be effective against a laundry list of cancers.

Essiac is taken by some as a preventative against cancer

  (they take a 1/2 dose every night before bed)

 

 

My conclusion is... it might be worth trying essiac for 6 months or a year.

If my suspicious are correct, essiac will kill the pathogens and help put T2D and T3D into remission.

(provided you make appropriate dietary changes of-course)

 

Question: How could you make an assessment of the effects of the essiac ?

Since T2D and T3D share the same cause ... or are the same disease.

Then you can use assessments for T2D as indicators for T3D.

You can use regular blood sugar measurements to chart the progress of your T3D.

Any neuropathy symptoms should begin to fade away in that 6 or 12 month period.

I would expect that you'd also feel less depressed and generally better.

 

You can buy essiac tea on ebay.

 

It's much cheaper to buy the raw ingredients and boil up your own tea.

You can buy the raw ingredients pre-mixed on ebay, see here:

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item35eba5cb81

 

Instructions for doing this are presented here:

 

Alternatively you can buy it pre-made in bottles.

This is convenient, but this is expensive in the longer term.

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item4183c3f8c8

 

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 07:47 PM

 

 

2.   I watched several documentaries about Essiac.  I was very interested by that story.

Basically it was a herbal tea, originally invented by local indians, that proved remarkably

effective against lots of different types of cancer.  

It had the reputation of being an anti-cancer and people flocked to see Rene Caisse.

Some people came that didn't have cancer.

I remember the story, told by Rene herself in an interview, of how one patient had a tumor...

and the essaic cured her diabetes as well.  But this was puzzling, how could Essiac cure (type 2) diabetes ?

I now suspect that Essiac is a potent antibiotic... and should be trialed with T2D and T3D.

 

 

It appears that Essiac for diabetes is quite a common use for Essiac.

 

 

And Essiac is supposedly helpful for arthritis and asthma.

We know that both of these conditions can be caused by bacterial infections.

 

Essiac is composed of 4 herbs:

Burdock Root (arctium lappa)

powdered sheep sorrel (rumex acetosella)

powered slipper elm bark (ulmus rubra/fulva)

powered Turkey Rhubarb root (rheum palmatum)

source: http://www.healthfre... for Essiac.htm

 

I'm willing to bet that,  at least one of them, is a potent antibiotic.

 

 

I was right, one of them _is_ a potent antibiotic.

 

Which one ?   Turkey Rhubarb root (rheum palmatum)

 

From the wikipedia page:

 

Of the numerous herbs renown for their medicinal benefits in early civilizations, Chinese rhubarb remains one of few still used today in both “conventional and herbal medicine."[2] The very first accounts are found in ancient Chinese writings, dating back to 2700 B.C...[3] A study of Chinese history shows that it was known, even back then, for its purging effects, as well as its ability to suppress feverish conditions (Foster): it was taken by an emperor in the Liang dynasty (557-579) for fever, used as gift-bearing means to an emperor of the Tang dynasty (618-907), used to combat the plague in the years which the Song dynasty ruled (960-1127)

 

 

The conditions treated by Chinese rhubarb in ancient times are the same as it is used to treat today.[1] The root (the predominantly medicinal part of the species) is still known for its astringent capabilities (as well as a strong laxative); “the tannins in the root caused an astringent action making it useful in the early stages of diarrhea, dysentery, and other intestinal problems." [1]It also serves as an antibacterial in its ability to treat "toothaches, shingles, fevers, hypertension, burns, acute appendicitis, acute infectious hepatitis, conjunctivitis, swelling and pain of gums, and sores of the mouth or tongue." [1]

 

If you ask the question:  Which chemical(s) in Turkey Rhubarb root might are antibiotic ?

 

According to the wikipedia page, Turkey Rhubarb contains the following 'medicinal' ingredients:

 

    Anthraquinones (about 3-5%), rhein, aloe-emodin, emodin wild
    Flavonoids (catechin) wild
    Phenolic acids wild
    Tannins (5-10%) wild
    Calcium oxalate wild

 

Quinones are generally anti-microbial and anti-parasitic in nature.

That is, according to the wikipedia page on quinones

 

Natural or synthetic quinones show a biological or pharmacological activity, and some of them show anti-tumoral activity. They embody some claims in herbal medicine. These applications include purgative (sennosides), antimicrobial and antiparasitic (rhein- and saprorthoquinone, atovaquone), anti-tumor (emodin and jugone), inhibition of PGE2 biosynthesis (arnebinone and arnebifuranone) and anti-cardiovascular disease (tanshinone).[3]

 

 

Turkey Rhubarb contains 3-5% Anthraquinones (according to the above list)

According to the wikipedia page: 

https://en.wikipedia...i/Anthraquinone

 

Anthraquinones are interesting because they are used as anti-malarials and they have anti-tumour activity.

But they also have anti-tau and anti-tangle activity too:

 

5 anthraquinones have been shown to inhibit the formation of Tau aggregates and dissolve paired helical filaments thought to be critical to Alzheimer's disease progression in both mouse models and in vitro testing but have not been investigated as a therapeutic agent.[12]

 

 

Summary

 

Essiac is a non-toxic, side-effect free, herbal tea.

 

I suspect that antibiotic activity explains Essiac's reputed efficacy in treating Type 2 diabetes (T2D),

asthma and arthritis. If my suspicion is correct then Essiac will also be effective against T3D.

 

One of the four herbs in essiac, Turkey Rhubarb Root, has documented antibiotic activity.

 

Further, the anthraquinones in Turkey Rhubarb Root, are known to inhibit Tau formation.

This strengths the case for trying Essiac as an antibiotic against dementias.

 


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Unbelievably  I have been told that I might be blocked from Google Plus. I had been posting information about MMS Terpentine and Essiac Tea that are freely available on YouTube



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Posted 30 June 2015 - 10:10 PM

Unbelievably  I have been told that I might be blocked from Google Plus. I had been posting information about MMS Terpentine and Essiac Tea that are freely available on YouTube

 

who told you this ?



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When I went to my Google Plus site there was a notice over the site telling me that I had been advertising and that if this continues I shall be blocked. It was anonymous. I guess someone found the MMS videos I had posted. I had been posting important things on Alzheimers cures for about 2 years now. Big Pharma must be really scared of MMS. That means it must really work for everything maybe. I shall not post anything for a while now so as to leave those MMS videos in full view. I don't know who threatened me



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Posted 30 June 2015 - 10:43 PM

When I went to my Google Plus site there was a notice over the site telling me that I had been advertising and that if this continues I shall be blocked. It was anonymous. I guess someone found the MMS videos I had posted. I had been posting important things on Alzheimers cures for about 2 years now. Big Pharma must be really scared of MMS. That means it must really work for everything maybe. I shall not post anything for a while now so as to leave those MMS videos in full view. I don't know who threatened me

 

I suspect you're right about Big Pharma.

Like you.. i suspect it means MMS is effective.

 

Don't worry about being 'blocked' or 'banned' from Google Plus.

It's just an online account.  Nothing bad will happen.... just create another account.

Or... create a new Google Plus account.... and use that to disseminate news about MMS or Alzheimer's cures etc.

If they block it..... no problem.

 

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Posted 30 June 2015 - 10:59 PM

One supplier lists monolaurin for use against CP, I cannot post links. It was the first Google hit on:
monolaurin chlamydia pneumoniae
On Inspired Nutrition website...
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It seems to me that removing the pathogens, as opposed to preventing infection in the first place, is not helpful to slowing the disease process. Some antibiotics such as clioquinol do seem to help, but only because they act as metal chelators, unrelated to their antimicrobial properties.

 

Back in 2003, it was found that antibiotics slow AD progression slightly (and maybe not at all), even though both diseased and normal patients had similar levels of CP infection (although one must wonder what test methods they were using back then). In any event, it doesn't seem like antibiotics constitute a viable longterm therapy, and even in the case of clioquinol, other chelators such as curcumin could be used.

 

So while I think it's plausible that pathogens are a major cause of AD, killing them does not seem to help much. If that were the case, then we would expect to see a small slice of the population spontaneously recover, rather like one would recover from any infection. But no one recovers without a massive lifestyle overhaul.

 



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Posted 01 July 2015 - 12:27 AM

One supplier lists monolaurin for use against CP, I cannot post links. It was the first Google hit on:
monolaurin chlamydia pneumoniae
On Inspired Nutrition website...

 

Thanks kaskiles,

 

The evidence for the effectiveness of monolaurin (aka lauric acid) in coconut oil against a huge list of

infective bacteria and viruses is substantial.

See here:

http://www.touroinst...actericidal.pdf
http://www.cpmedical...-and-monolaurin

http://www.cpnhelp.org/lauricidin

 

quote:

Lauric acid was discovered as the most active antiviral and antibacterial substance in human breast milk. Monolaurin is the glycerol ester of lauric acid and is more biologically active than lauric acid. Monolaurin has been shown to be active against (in vitro): Influenza virus, Pneumovirus, Paramyxovirus (Newcastle), Morbillivirus (Rubella), Coronavirus (Avian Infectious, Bronchitis virus), herpes simplex I & II, CMV, EBV, HIV, measles, leukemia virus, Simliki forest virus, HPV, Visna virus, Vesicular stomatitits virus, respiratory syncytial virus, Dengue virus (type 1-4), and lymphocytic choriomeningitis. It is effective against Gram Positive Bacteria including: Anthrax, Listeria monocytogenes, Staphylococcus aureus, Groups A, B, F, and G streptococci, Streptococcus agalactiae, Mycobacteria Clostridium perfringens and Gram Negative Bacteria including: Chlamydia pneumonia, Neisseria gonorrhoeae, H. pylori, Mycoplasma pneumonia, and Vibrio parahaemolyticus. It has also been shown to be effective against yeast, fungi and molds including Aspergillus niger, Saccharomyces cerevisiae, Ringworm/Tinea, Malassezia species, Penicillium citrinum, and Candida utilis. A number of protozoa like Giardia lamblia are also inactivated or killed by Monolaurin. Monolaurin acts by disrupting the lipid bylayer of the virus and prevents the attachment to susceptible host cells. Recent evidence has also indicated that it prevents replication and removes all measurable infectivity by directly disintegrating the viral envelope making the virus more susceptible to host defense.10

 

 

I remember a story about coconut oil, which i can not reference, about treating arthritis.

The story goes like this.  Arthritis is supposedly an immune system condition in which

the body attacks the joints and ligaments.  However, when you give immuno-suppressive

drugs to these patients, a substantial proportion don't get better, .. and some get worse.

A large proportion of those that did not get better on the immuno-suppressive drugs

got better after months of taking coconut oil.  What this story is meant to demonstrate

is that some cases of arthritis are not caused by an immune reaction, but are instead

caused by a viral or bacterial infection.  One additional detail about this story is that

the coconut oil had to be taken for months, in order for the lauric acid to really soak

into the tissues, ligaments and joints of the body.

 

I think i read this story in a review to a book called 'The Coconut Oil Miracle' by

Bruce Fife... or... maybe there was an iHealthTube.com video about coconut oil.

for example:

https://www.ihealtht...18b278544931367

 

This quote is taken from:  http://www.coconutre...arch Center.pdf

 

quote:

 
A large number of studies are showing a direct correlation between chronic
low-grade bacterial and viral infections and coronary heart disease. The primary
culprits are Chlamydia pneumoniae, Cytomegalovirus, and Helicobacter pylori. Each
of these pathogenic organisms as well as many others are effectively killed by the
medium-chain fatty acids in coconut oil. Coconut oil, therefore, can reduce risk of
heart disease.

 

I wonder how much you need to take to get these anti-bacterial / anti-viral effects.

 

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