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Posted 15 August 2016 - 10:36 PM
I think estrogen plays a much larger role in hair-loss than DHT. One of the prostaglandins made from arachidonic-acid (omega-6) called prostaglandin-E2 induces aromatase-activity. Estrogen increases the catagen stage of hair growth in both sexes.
Posted 16 August 2016 - 04:44 AM
On the subject of diet, do you advise against white button mushrooms, as part of a vegan diet? I'm trying to work against hair loss in the best ways I can. Any other dietary input would of course be welcome.
So many aspects to talk about with diet. Low-fat/high-fiber diets lower estrogen and should help with hair-loss. Topical aromatase-inhibitors would be miconazole and ketoconazole, which help to rid the scalp of estrogen. Flaxseeds are very potent anti-estrogens and help promote "good" prostaglandins. Button-mushrooms are aromatase-inhibitors also. I could go on and on...
Edited by misterE, 16 August 2016 - 04:44 AM.
Posted 16 August 2016 - 12:49 PM
Not sure about estrogen being the cause of hair.. it's primarily DHT or one's sensitivity to it. There was a girl I came across over (I think) hair loss talk forum where she had advanced MPB but managed to grew a decent head of hair with androgen blockers and estrogen. But I assume you're not really talking in that context... :p
Anyway, I still have pretty thick hair but have noticed a small decrease in ponytail circumference. So I came up with a solution and it seems to be working, although I had a massive shed when I first started. It is just licorice root extract, spearmint tea, Reishi extract and some isoflavones from red clover extract. And I drink lots of green tea. Anyway, I've got loads of tiny little hairs, including the area where on the sides of the forehead, where the hairline 'matures'. I have really long hair, so it'd take a while to thicken up fully, but I can feel a difference on my scalp only after a few months.
I still have a lot of hair mind you, but I don't mind the lower T/DHT to keep my hair. Plus it's made my skin softer 
Edited by Matt, 16 August 2016 - 12:54 PM.
Posted 16 August 2016 - 01:05 PM
Good for you! As for myself I do mind my dht and free test very much .
MisterE what you say makes little sense to me, if it was true then I would have experienced awesome hair growth when I ate loads of wbm, the opposite was true. It would also mean that guys increasing dht to the max would regrow their hair as estrogen would be reduced.
Edited by Wagner83, 16 August 2016 - 01:06 PM.
Posted 16 August 2016 - 03:42 PM
Not sure about estrogen being the cause of hair.. it's primarily DHT or one's sensitivity to it. There was a girl I came across over (I think) hair loss talk forum where she had advanced MPB but managed to grew a decent head of hair with androgen blockers and estrogen. But I assume you're not really talking in that context... :p
Anyway, I still have pretty thick hair but have noticed a small decrease in ponytail circumference. So I came up with a solution and it seems to be working, although I had a massive shed when I first started. It is just licorice root extract, spearmint tea, Reishi extract and some isoflavones from red clover extract. And I drink lots of green tea. Anyway, I've got loads of tiny little hairs, including the area where on the sides of the forehead, where the hairline 'matures'. I have really long hair, so it'd take a while to thicken up fully, but I can feel a difference on my scalp only after a few months.
I still have a lot of hair mind you, but I don't mind the lower T/DHT to keep my hair. Plus it's made my skin softer
Posted 16 August 2016 - 03:46 PM
A low fat high fiber diet wold probably reduce all sex hormones wouldn't it?
Not really. Estrogen is very sensitive to dietary change. Fat (especially arachidonic-acid) stimulates estrogen synthesis, whereas fiber lowers estrogen by way of the bowl. See here:
Am J Med. 1985 Jan;78(1):23-7.
Effects of a high-complex-carbohydrate, low-fat, low-cholesterol diet on levels of serum lipids and estradiol.
Rosenthal MB, Barnard RJ, Rose DP
Abstract
Recent studies have implicated elevated levels of serum estradiol in males as the major predisposing factor for myocardial infarction, with serum cholesterol playing a secondary role. The purpose of the present study was to investigate the effects of a high-complex-carbohydrate, low-fat, low-cholesterol diet and daily exercise on levels of serum estradiol, testosterone, and lipids in males. Twenty-one males participating in the Pritikin Longevity Center 26-day residential program volunteered for the study. During the program, serum estradiol levels were significantly reduced from 47.2 +/- 4.6 to 23.8 +/- 2.5 pg/ml (mean +/- SE) whereas serum testosterone levels were unchanged (5.1 +/- 0.3 versus 5.1 +/- 0.2 ng/ml). Total serum cholesterol levels were reduced from 229 +/- 9 to 181 +/- 7 mg/dl whereas triglyceride levels were reduced from 301 +/- 66 to 151 +/- 13 mg/dl. High-density lipoprotein-cholesterol levels fell from 41 +/- 3 to 35 +/- 1 mg/dl whereas the ratio of total cholesterol to high-density lipoprotein-cholesterol was unchanged (5.5 +/- 0.4 versus 5.1 +/- 0.3).
Posted 16 August 2016 - 03:50 PM
Not sure about estrogen being the cause of hair.. it's primarily DHT or one's sensitivity to it.
That is the mainstream view... which I do not buy. There is however, quite a bit of evidence showing that estrogen induces catagen phase (peach-fuzz) hair and keeps it there. Lowering testosterone also lowers estrogen, because estrogen is made from testosterone.
Posted 16 August 2016 - 03:56 PM
MisterE what you say makes little sense to me, if it was true then I would have experienced awesome hair growth when I ate loads of wbm, the opposite was true. It would also mean that guys increasing dht to the max would regrow their hair as estrogen would be reduced.
Not necessarily. While aromatase inhibitors do help, the real surefire way to lower estrogen (or should I say: the conversion of testosterone into estrogen) is to increase SHBG. SHBG binds tightly to androgens and prevents their conversion into estrogen. Interestingly enough, free-fatty-acids (FFAs) which are extremely elevated in diabetics, decrease the binding capacity of SHBG... and the more unsaturated these FFAs are, the more they interfere with SHBG binding. This is very interesting because these same unsaturated fatty-acids that inhibit SHBG binding also are the precursors for the elevated inflammatory prostaglandins found in the scalps of MPB.
Posted 17 August 2016 - 11:52 AM
Not sure about estrogen being the cause of hair.. it's primarily DHT or one's sensitivity to it. There was a girl I came across over (I think) hair loss talk forum where she had advanced MPB but managed to grew a decent head of hair with androgen blockers and estrogen. But I assume you're not really talking in that context... :p
Anyway, I still have pretty thick hair but have noticed a small decrease in ponytail circumference. So I came up with a solution and it seems to be working, although I had a massive shed when I first started. It is just licorice root extract, spearmint tea, Reishi extract and some isoflavones from red clover extract. And I drink lots of green tea. Anyway, I've got loads of tiny little hairs, including the area where on the sides of the forehead, where the hairline 'matures'. I have really long hair, so it'd take a while to thicken up fully, but I can feel a difference on my scalp only after a few months.
I still have a lot of hair mind you, but I don't mind the lower T/DHT to keep my hair. Plus it's made my skin softer
Matt,
Did you take reishi and red clover extract in supplemental form? I've had licorice root before, and certainty didn't mind it at all, as well as licorice tea. It's just such a hassle to chew on
Both supplements.
Swanson high potency red clover extract and sometimes Natures aid red clover extract 500mg.
Swanson Reishi mushroom 600 mg
Swanson licorice root extract (non DGL) - 900 mg
5-6 cups of spearmint tea
5 cups of green tea (2 tea bags per cup)
The licorice has been found to lower total testosterone in men and women. There's some evidence that spearmint also lowers free testosterone. I've also taken white peony root extract, too, but not sure the evidence is really there for it.
One thing to keep in mind though is something like the above will probably lower your total and free testosterone, not just DHT. There's a mix of receptor agonist and antagonists in these supplements as well, but most have an affinity for estrogen receptor beta, though.
Things I have noticed apart from thicker hair shafts and new hair. Softening of skin all over. Body odour seems to have decreased a quite a bit. Facial hair has slowed maybe 30% No other effects from it that I'm aware of. With licorice root extract, it can increase blood pressure.. but I haven't noticed anything on that dose.
Edited by Matt, 17 August 2016 - 11:54 AM.
Posted 17 August 2016 - 02:52 PM
A low fat high fiber diet wold probably reduce all sex hormones wouldn't it?
Not really. Estrogen is very sensitive to dietary change. Fat (especially arachidonic-acid) stimulates estrogen synthesis, whereas fiber lowers estrogen by way of the bowl. See here:
Am J Med. 1985 Jan;78(1):23-7.
Effects of a high-complex-carbohydrate, low-fat, low-cholesterol diet on levels of serum lipids and estradiol.
Rosenthal MB, Barnard RJ, Rose DP
Abstract
Recent studies have implicated elevated levels of serum estradiol in males as the major predisposing factor for myocardial infarction, with serum cholesterol playing a secondary role. The purpose of the present study was to investigate the effects of a high-complex-carbohydrate, low-fat, low-cholesterol diet and daily exercise on levels of serum estradiol, testosterone, and lipids in males. Twenty-one males participating in the Pritikin Longevity Center 26-day residential program volunteered for the study. During the program, serum estradiol levels were significantly reduced from 47.2 +/- 4.6 to 23.8 +/- 2.5 pg/ml (mean +/- SE) whereas serum testosterone levels were unchanged (5.1 +/- 0.3 versus 5.1 +/- 0.2 ng/ml). Total serum cholesterol levels were reduced from 229 +/- 9 to 181 +/- 7 mg/dl whereas triglyceride levels were reduced from 301 +/- 66 to 151 +/- 13 mg/dl. High-density lipoprotein-cholesterol levels fell from 41 +/- 3 to 35 +/- 1 mg/dl whereas the ratio of total cholesterol to high-density lipoprotein-cholesterol was unchanged (5.5 +/- 0.4 versus 5.1 +/- 0.3).
Let's have a look at this center https://www.pritikin.com/ and n other abstract from a study:
"Data were obtained from 70 individuals (M age = 78.7, SE = 4.1 years) who attended the Pritikin Longevity Center's 26-day residential program where they were exposed to a high-complex-carbohydrate, low-fat diet, and daily exercise. During the 26-day program, serum cholesterol was reduced from 222 (SE = 5) to 179 (SE = 5) mg/dl, and triglycerides were reduced from 156 (SE = 10) to 141 (SE = 7) mg/dl. Body weight was reduced an average of 2.2 kg. Treadmill performance increased from 3.7 (SE = .1) to 5.5 (SE = .2) METs. During the final week of the program, average daily walking was 5.1 (SE = .3) km. Forty-six hypertensive patients reduced their pressure from 154/80 to 150/77 mmHg, with 9 of 18 patients discontinuing their antihypertensive medication. Thirteen type II diabetic patients reduced their fasting serum glucose from 164 (SE = 4) to 120 (SE = 2) mg/dl.
"
These subjects could be diabetics, obese, fat, hypertensive, sedentary or a combination of all these things, they exercised and lost weight and estradiol went down.
MisterE what you say makes little sense to me, if it was true then I would have experienced awesome hair growth when I ate loads of wbm, the opposite was true. It would also mean that guys increasing dht to the max would regrow their hair as estrogen would be reduced.
Not necessarily. While aromatase inhibitors do help, the real surefire way to lower estrogen (or should I say: the conversion of testosterone into estrogen) is to increase SHBG. SHBG binds tightly to androgens and prevents their conversion into estrogen. Interestingly enough, free-fatty-acids (FFAs) which are extremely elevated in diabetics, decrease the binding capacity of SHBG... and the more unsaturated these FFAs are, the more they interfere with SHBG binding. This is very interesting because these same unsaturated fatty-acids that inhibit SHBG binding also are the precursors for the elevated inflammatory prostaglandins found in the scalps of MPB.
SHBG has strongest affinity with dht and free t, so I'm dubious about the benefits of such a rise. Of course that would depend on where shbg is at to begin with.
Posted 17 August 2016 - 03:26 PM
Wagner83:
Sure, most people were ill in the diet study, but regardless... dietary fiber lowers estrogen by binding it in the intestines and escorting it out in the stool.
Hormones are fat-soluble and cannot travel through the watery areas of the body without a water-soluble transport protein. SHBG binds hormones and transports them around in the body and delivers them to tissues when needed. Same could be said with cholesterol and lipoproteins. SHBG has been shown to be lower in people with MPB. Increasing SHBG increases the total-amount of androgens because they are either bound-up and unable to convert into estrogens or they are bound-up and unable to be cleared by the liver. This is why diabetics have such low testosterone: it's because they have low SHBG, which accelerates the conversion and clearance of androgens.
Like I mentioned earlier accumulation of AA in the adipose-tissue also upregulates aromatase, which sucks up free-testosterone and converts it into estrogen, and that causes problems like breast/prostate cancer, baldness and other hormonal-issues. Estrogen upregulates COX, which leads to more prostaglandin-E2 which stimulates aromatase which makes more estrogen and it becomes a nasty cycle. The way to break the loop according to my research is to lower AA in the tissues, increase fiber intake, inhibit COX and inhibit aromatase.
Edited by misterE, 17 August 2016 - 03:40 PM.
Posted 17 August 2016 - 03:59 PM
Matt,Not sure about estrogen being the cause of hair.. it's primarily DHT or one's sensitivity to it. There was a girl I came across over (I think) hair loss talk forum where she had advanced MPB but managed to grew a decent head of hair with androgen blockers and estrogen. But I assume you're not really talking in that context... :p
Anyway, I still have pretty thick hair but have noticed a small decrease in ponytail circumference. So I came up with a solution and it seems to be working, although I had a massive shed when I first started. It is just licorice root extract, spearmint tea, Reishi extract and some isoflavones from red clover extract. And I drink lots of green tea. Anyway, I've got loads of tiny little hairs, including the area where on the sides of the forehead, where the hairline 'matures'. I have really long hair, so it'd take a while to thicken up fully, but I can feel a difference on my scalp only after a few months.
I still have a lot of hair mind you, but I don't mind the lower T/DHT to keep my hair. Plus it's made my skin softer
Did you take reishi and red clover extract in supplemental form? I've had licorice root before, and certainty didn't mind it at all, as well as licorice tea. It's just such a hassle to chew on
Both supplements.
Swanson high potency red clover extract and sometimes Natures aid red clover extract 500mg.
Swanson Reishi mushroom 600 mg
Swanson licorice root extract (non DGL) - 900 mg
5-6 cups of spearmint tea
5 cups of green tea (2 tea bags per cup)
The licorice has been found to lower total testosterone in men and women. There's some evidence that spearmint also lowers free testosterone. I've also taken white peony root extract, too, but not sure the evidence is really there for it.
One thing to keep in mind though is something like the above will probably lower your total and free testosterone, not just DHT. There's a mix of receptor agonist and antagonists in these supplements as well, but most have an affinity for estrogen receptor beta, though.
Things I have noticed apart from thicker hair shafts and new hair. Softening of skin all over. Body odour seems to have decreased a quite a bit. Facial hair has slowed maybe 30% No other effects from it that I'm aware of.
Posted 17 August 2016 - 07:00 PM
Thank you Matt.
A few questions if you don't mind.
All of those doses specified are what you had on a daily basis I assume? May I ask for how long you were on these?
I'd probably start slow and build from that list, starting with licorice perhaps, probably because I'd be terrified of any severe shedding. I presume you didn't have much shedding around the parts that matter (hairline, crown)?
I, too, have long hair and ever since it has gotten longer over the last year, some shedding has taken place, but mostly at the lower parts of the neck/head where the hair strands are longer.
Yeah - still taking them at the doses stated above. I only wish I had my hormone levels tested before I started taking them. Since I'm doing well, and the initial shedding has stopped, I don't want to stop taking these. The shedding seemed to be from all over my head, and it started within 2 weeks of this regimen. I've heard of a similar thing happening with propecia? So far I've been on them about 4 months maybe.. Shedding stopped completely after about a month. It was really surprising when it happened!
No - the shedding was all over, not really much near the hairline that I noticed. Hairline does look a little better than before though. I've heard that shedding is a sign that medication or supplements are working. The hair has to fall out for new healthy hair to grow. A sudden change in hormone levels may trigger this also?
Fortunately I don't have any aggressive balding going on.. I still have lots of hair and relatively thick compared to many people... but I do like my hair! So I'd rather tackle this problem now rather than later. Seems a simple solution would be just to take propecia.. but I'd rather not right now.
Posted 17 August 2016 - 07:18 PM
Thank you Matt.
A few questions if you don't mind.
All of those doses specified are what you had on a daily basis I assume? May I ask for how long you were on these?
I'd probably start slow and build from that list, starting with licorice perhaps, probably because I'd be terrified of any severe shedding. I presume you didn't have much shedding around the parts that matter (hairline, crown)?
I, too, have long hair and ever since it has gotten longer over the last year, some shedding has taken place, but mostly at the lower parts of the neck/head where the hair strands are longer.
Yeah - still taking them at the doses stated above. I only wish I had my hormone levels tested before I started taking them. Since I'm doing well, and the initial shedding has stopped, I don't want to stop taking these. The shedding seemed to be from all over my head, and it started within 2 weeks of this regimen. I've heard of a similar thing happening with propecia? So far I've been on them about 4 months maybe.. Shedding stopped completely after about a month. It was really surprising when it happened!
No - the shedding was all over, not really much near the hairline that I noticed. Hairline does look a little better than before though. I've heard that shedding is a sign that medication or supplements are working. The hair has to fall out for new healthy hair to grow. A sudden change in hormone levels may trigger this also?
Fortunately I don't have any aggressive balding going on.. I still have lots of hair and relatively thick compared to many people... but I do like my hair! So I'd rather tackle this problem now rather than later. Seems a simple solution would be just to take propecia.. but I'd rather not right now.
Posted 17 August 2016 - 09:37 PM
I buy from https://www.healthmo...wanson_licorice
It doesn't say non dgl. Just Licorice Root.
I also use Palanquin Spearmint Tea. It's really nice.
Posted 18 August 2016 - 02:59 AM
I buy from https://www.healthmo...wanson_licorice
It doesn't say non dgl. Just Licorice Root.
I also use Palanquin Spearmint Tea. It's really nice.
Posted 18 August 2016 - 08:03 AM
Sorry about my silly question, but I still haven't understood if it has a negative effect on sex drive.....
Thanks.
It certainly does - cannot have low testosterone levels and high virility.
Ouch!
For same (less fortunate) people is either hair or sex then?
Posted 18 August 2016 - 03:08 PM
Yeah right I think I made my choice no way I'll eat licorice and drown in green tea to destroy my dht levels.
MisterE my shbg is in the very high normal range, E2 is average at most, Shbg has increased a little bit and E2 decreased in the past year or so, yet I've lost a lot of hair. Adding sorghum to my diet makes me lose even more hair and, potentially, it increases 5ar, dht levels which would in turn decrease estrogen. Ive seen at least one more case of a guy who noticed better erections and libido benefits from sorghum as well as loss of hair. All I've read about shbg and sex hormones was that testosterone bound to shbg was useless , so not used in the tissues, on the other hand albumin bound testosterone can be used if needed.
You say dietary intake of fiber reduces estrogen, does it reduce bio available test and free dht as well?
Edited by Wagner83, 18 August 2016 - 03:10 PM.
Posted 18 August 2016 - 03:26 PM
{1} All I've read about shbg and sex hormones was that testosterone bound to shbg was useless , so not used in the tissues, on the other hand albumin bound testosterone can be used if needed.
{2} You say dietary intake of fiber reduces estrogen, does it reduce bio available test and free dht as well?
{1} That is false. SHBG actually has a receptor of its own outside of the cell on the membrane. Both SHBG and albumin are transport proteins, only difference is that one has a tighter grip than the other.
{2} Since SHBG binds androgens more than estrogens, there is very little free-DHT floating around. Most DHT is made within the tissues, not in the blood. All testosterone in the body is bio-available. SHBG is like a bank account that saves testosterone for future use, with low SHBG, testosterone is not managed well.
The best way to increase testosterone (and keep DHT and estrogen at bay) is to increase SHBG. You increase SHBG by becoming insulin-sensitive (lowering FFAs, high-fiber intake, exercise, maintaining leanness and good muscle-tone, low-fat and sugar intake, high starch intake, etc).
Posted 16 September 2016 - 05:54 PM
{1} All I've read about shbg and sex hormones was that testosterone bound to shbg was useless , so not used in the tissues, on the other hand albumin bound testosterone can be used if needed.
{2} You say dietary intake of fiber reduces estrogen, does it reduce bio available test and free dht as well?
{1} That is false. SHBG actually has a receptor of its own outside of the cell on the membrane. Both SHBG and albumin are transport proteins, only difference is that one has a tighter grip than the other.
{2} Since SHBG binds androgens more than estrogens, there is very little free-DHT floating around. Most DHT is made within the tissues, not in the blood. All testosterone in the body is bio-available. SHBG is like a bank account that saves testosterone for future use, with low SHBG, testosterone is not managed well.
The best way to increase testosterone (and keep DHT and estrogen at bay) is to increase SHBG. You increase SHBG by becoming insulin-sensitive (lowering FFAs, high-fiber intake, exercise, maintaining leanness and good muscle-tone, low-fat and sugar intake, high starch intake, etc).
MisterE you have really motivated me to get on a completely vegan diet! I have eaten mostly vegan for some time now. I am using ghee for cooking, ghee is ok right? I try to avoid diary since it seems that diary is detrimental to health.
What do you think of the supplement ecklonia cava for hair loss?
Are there any supplements you recommend for hair loss?
http://www.immortalh...y-in-practice-2
http://www.ncbi.nlm....10/?tool=pubmed
http://hairevo.com/s...remedies-online
“How Does Ecklonia Cava Support Hair Growth?
Recently, Ecklonia Cava was tested for its hair growth remedies promotion effect and natural hair growth remedies . It was found that Ecklonia Cava extract increased the growth phase (anagen) of the hair follicle, increased the growth potentiation of the hair cells (dermal papilla), and results in the reduction of 5α-reductase activity, an enzyme responsible for the production of DHT (dihydrotestosterone). (Int J Mol Sci. 2012;13(5):6407-23)
Rather than chemically destroy DHT with a pharmaceutical, Ecklonia Cava naturally modifies the environment within the hair cells and natural hair growth remedies. In turn, this modification downregulates the expression of the enzyme that converts testosterone into DHT. This is an important distinction, as there are no side-effects associated with a natural process!
Another factor in best hair growth products or male pattern baldness to consider is that having elevated blood pressure is strongly associated with androgenetic hair loss. (Eur J Dermatol. 2007 May-Jun;17(3):220-2.)
Ecklonia Cava research supports a mechanism that enhances a reduction in blood pressure. Moreover, Ecklonia Cava supports healthy adipocyte differentiation, which improves how fatty acids are metabolized. Recent research supports this benefit towards healthier hair regrowth products. (J Invest Dermatol. 2012 Jun 28).
Ecklonia Cava has potent anti-DGAT activity. Diacylglycerol acyltransferase or DGAT is an enzyme that catalyzes triacylgycerol in adipocytes, and in turn enhances the production of adiponectin, which has been shown to promote hair growth remedies.
Of interest to the realm of health or beauty, Ecklonia Cava helps prevent premature wrinkling (which can be induced by diet or ultraviolet radiation) by increasing the enzymatic activity of elastase, and inhibiting an enzyme (MMP-1). This enzyme promotes the breakdown of collagen. (Biol Pharm Bull. 2006 Aug;29(8):1735-9.)
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Posted 16 September 2016 - 05:56 PM
I just did a full write-up on the Area 1255 site. Check it out if you want more info as I have been receiving many emails.
Tubzy I sent you a message about an invite to the private hair loss forum, it would be great if you could respond.
Posted 20 September 2016 - 04:09 PM
ghee is ok right? I try to avoid diary since it seems that diary is detrimental to health.
What do you think of the supplement ecklonia cava for hair loss?
Are there any supplements you recommend for hair loss?
I think ghee is fine as it contains fats that are reflective of the natural composition of human body-fat and breast-milk. Dairy-fat is very low in polyunsaturated-fats in general.
Ecklonia Cava is an antioxidant, which would help with hair-loss... yes.
Other supplements I would recommend would be:
Alpha-lipoic-acid: A powerful antioxidant.
Aspirin: A COX inhibitor.
Loratadine: Lowers the release of PGD2 from mast-cells.
Miconazole (topical): A powerful aromatase-inhibitor.
Posted 16 December 2016 - 09:15 PM
I'm subscribing to this interesting topic. Since i started treatment for low testosterone, hair lose accelerated rapidly (the treatment works great i guess). I do have that gene for MPB.
i'll have to digest the info here and come out with some treatment soon.
i'm afraid i don't have access to some things mentioned here like Setipiprant.
but i can get finasteride and miconazole.
are those worth ordering?
Posted 17 December 2016 - 01:07 PM
AGA is genetic and no suplement will help with it, you need to block DHT with finasteride.
I can't believe hairloss sites are more credible than longecity, even there everyone knows that suplements or diet won't help with AGA, and people here think suplements will help.
Posted 27 February 2017 - 05:11 PM
I think estrogen plays a much larger role in hair-loss than DHT. One of the prostaglandins made from arachidonic-acid (omega-6) called prostaglandin-E2 induces aromatase-activity. Estrogen increases the catagen stage of hair growth in both sexes.
I disagree. Estrogen increases the length of time hairs are in growth phase and increases the number of hair growing at any one time. Some of the results over at hairlosstalk forum on guys who are using topical estrogen are incredible. Some are using low dose estrogen + finasteride with amazing results too. Obviously there's a significant risk here in feminization, even if over a long time. (they know this). And some of the trans girls over there have had even more incredible results... better than the average male who just takes finasteride.
I'm not sure if I mentioned in this thread, but I started taking finasteride at 1.25 mg a day and had awesome results, and it's only been about 5 months. I also take licorice root, spearmint tea as well. What I've noticed is my hairline is coming down to more youthful level, rather than the "mature hairline" that is considered normal for adults. I've also noticed my hair thickness increase all over my scalp, it's pretty incredible considering my hair thickness when starting. I guess I didn't really notice, but I must've lost some thickness over the years, but since my hair was pretty good, it wasn't obvious. My grandfather and father lost most of their hair, so I'm not really taking a chance.
Edited by Matt, 27 February 2017 - 05:12 PM.
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