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[ironfistx]

People have said this is good for various things, ranging from wellbeing to nails, skin, hair, joints, and teeth.

 

I have seen separate doses.  THere doesn't seem to be a suggestion for how much to take.

 

Alta Silica with horsetail extract: 500mg

http://www.swansonvi...500-mg-120-tabs

 

Swanson Bamboo extract: 300mg

http://www.swansonvi...-mg-60-veg-caps

 

Swanson Horsetail: 500mg

http://www.swansonvi...-500-mg-90-caps

 

Body essential silica with calcium and vitamin D2: 224mg

http://www.swansonvi...aps-90-veg-caps

 

Lumina health silica: 25mg

http://www.swansonvi...z-118-ml-liquid

 

Some things said that bamboo silica is better than horsetail. There appears to be strong ideas about this.

 

Various things said horsetail is 7% silica and bamboo is 70%.  In that case, is 500mg of horsetail 35mg of silica and 500mg of bamboo 350mg of silica?

 

People suggest silica may be beneficial for tinnitus.

[pleiotropic]

I'm using JarroSil as a bioavailable form of silica for skin health.

[niner]

I've used both BioSil and JarrowSil.  I started using it about 5 years ago when I learned that I was osteopenic.  BioSil has the most published clinical data; it has shown positive results for bone, skin, nails and hair.  One thing that I really like about silica is that it helps to reduce aluminum levels.

[niner]

A thread on using silica to reduce body burden of aluminum.

[sthira]

I'm using Jarrowsil @ 5mg day. Also note that Jarrow's "Bone Up" product also contains 5 mg of silica (JarrowSil).

Edited by sthira, 25 October 2015 - 02:26 AM.

[fntms]

I take liquid silica gel (silicea brand, German) ed for aluminum chelation (hard to tell if it works), it definitely helps thicken my skin (reduces acne) and nails, and hair (less noticeable).

[Soalian]

I've been taking horsetail powder (15 grams a day) for two weeks, and wondering if this is a good source of silica, or if I have to turn to more bioavailable forms of silica or special formulas(Jarrowsil, etc...). Horsetail powder comes pretty cheap, so I figured a high daily dosage could make up for its relative low bioavailability. What do you guys think?

[sthira]

I've been taking horsetail powder (15 grams a day) for two weeks, and wondering if this is a good source of silica, or if I have to turn to more bioavailable forms of silica or special formulas(Jarrowsil, etc...). Horsetail powder comes pretty cheap, so I figured a high daily dosage could make up for its relative low bioavailability. What do you guys think?

I took horsetail powder (Equisetum arvense) for six-months or so, too. In an evidently futile attempt to regrow avascular knee meniscus damage, I didn't notice any improvement to the meniscus or anywhere else, frankly. So I've switched to the JarrowSil...searching, searching, searching to help cure the injury that's damaged my career. Nothing seems to work. The science still isn't there despite the promises, the promises, and maybe the researchers are still just too stupid or entrenched in weeds to outsmart trick injuries of body and mind. I can't leap four-feet into the air and land with silent grace with half a meniscus, and despite the pretty name, Equisetum arvense is useless for what I gotz

Edited by sthira, 26 October 2015 - 03:34 PM.

[Soalian]

 

I've been taking horsetail powder (15 grams a day) for two weeks, and wondering if this is a good source of silica, or if I have to turn to more bioavailable forms of silica or special formulas(Jarrowsil, etc...). Horsetail powder comes pretty cheap, so I figured a high daily dosage could make up for its relative low bioavailability. What do you guys think?

I took horsetail powder (Equisetum arvense) for six-months or so, too. In an evidently futile attempt to regrow avascular knee meniscus damage, I didn't notice any improvement to the meniscus or anywhere else, frankly. So I've switched to the JarrowSil...searching, searching, searching to help cure the injury that's damaged my career. Nothing seems to work. The science still isn't there despite the promises, the promises, and maybe the researchers are still just too stupid or entrenched in weeds to outsmart trick injuries of body and mind. I can't leap four-feet into the air and land with silent grace with half a meniscus, and despite the pretty name, Equisetum arvense is useless for what I gotz

 

Are you getting any results from Jarrowsil so far?

[sthira]

I've been taking horsetail powder (15 grams a day) for two weeks, and wondering if this is a good source of silica, or if I have to turn to more bioavailable forms of silica or special formulas(Jarrowsil, etc...). Horsetail powder comes pretty cheap, so I figured a high daily dosage could make up for its relative low bioavailability. What do you guys think?

I took horsetail powder (Equisetum arvense) for six-months or so, too. In an evidently futile attempt to regrow avascular knee meniscus damage, I didn't notice any improvement to the meniscus or anywhere else, frankly. So I've switched to the JarrowSil...searching, searching, searching to help cure the injury that's damaged my career. Nothing seems to work. The science still isn't there despite the promises, the promises, and maybe the researchers are still just too stupid or entrenched in weeds to outsmart trick injuries of body and mind. I can't leap four-feet into the air and land with silent grace with half a meniscus, and despite the pretty name, Equisetum arvense is useless for what I gotz

Are you getting any results from Jarrowsil so far?

Sadly no, I say sadly. Doesn't mean you won't benefit, though. But I'm targeting a specific body part that receives no nourishment from blood. I can throw silica, collagen, msm, cissus quadrangularis, glucosamine, ursolic acid, bromelian, d3 --- ye oh Christ what haven't I tried -- yet I'm told by orthopedists and PT that it's impossible to grow cartilege in areas that receive no blood flow.

Are you seeking some specific aim with silica? For me when I take (unregulated, unproven, mostly unknown) supplemental ripoffs I target, then hope. Usually I'm disappointed by supplements but that doesn't seem to stop me from trying something else, I'm a sucker for hope.

[aconita]

It looks like there are 4 basic kind of silica: silicon dioxide, phytoliths, orthosilicic acid and monomethylsilanetriol.

 

Silicon dioxide is inorganic, basically it is sand and it is not bioavailable at all.

 

Phytoliths are forms of silica transformed by plants (like the one in horse tail) that may have a certain degree of bioavailability but it seems not much.

 

Orthosilicic acid is the form in which phytoliths need to be converted by the body in order to be bioavailable (this conversion seems to be the bottle neck of supplementing horse tail, for example), it is the kind you'll find in Biosil and Jarrosil (stabilized by choline), it is certainly bioavailable but still not very efficiently so and as a supplement it may not be the best choice.

 

Monomethylsilanetriol seems to be the most bioavailable form of organic silica and the most effective as a supplement.

 

Monomethylsilanetriol is commercially known as G5 (Siliplant G5, LLR G5 or Silicium Organique G5, for example), it seems like there are just 3 producers of it ready as a supplement: one in Spain, one in Ireland and one in Switzerland (not 100% sure about the Swiss  made Silicium Organique G5 as legitimate...but it goes for about 1/4 of the price!). 

 

Supplementing it is kind of expensive (about 1 euro/day) but well worth if one really wants to test out once for all if silica is going to do any good to himself or not.

 

Here a couple of links providing some data and explanations, one is the producer/seller but for what it may be worth the data should be still of some value to give an idea, if only half holds true you should not be able to do without it.

 

http://www.hindawi.c...je/2013/316783/

 

http://organicsilica.biz/tutorial.html

 

 

 

 

[aconita]

Here another interesting link of a recent research showing how, at least in vitro, low doses are neuroprotective while high doses are neurotoxic (best dose for humans not determined yet but at least we know that moderation may be wise).

 

Interesting too is the fact that researchers used the Swiss made G5 for this project, maybe it means that the Swiss made G5 is legit and because it costs 1/4 of the other 2 available G5 it will be a very welcome news, I guess.

 

http://www.researchg...-SY5Y_cell_line

[paymanz]

 

I've been taking horsetail powder (15 grams a day) for two weeks, and wondering if this is a good source of silica, or if I have to turn to more bioavailable forms of silica or special formulas(Jarrowsil, etc...). Horsetail powder comes pretty cheap, so I figured a high daily dosage could make up for its relative low bioavailability. What do you guys think?

I took horsetail powder (Equisetum arvense) for six-months or so, too. In an evidently futile attempt to regrow avascular knee meniscus damage, I didn't notice any improvement to the meniscus or anywhere else, frankly. So I've switched to the JarrowSil...searching, searching, searching to help cure the injury that's damaged my career. Nothing seems to work. The science still isn't there despite the promises, the promises, and maybe the researchers are still just too stupid or entrenched in weeds to outsmart trick injuries of body and mind. I can't leap four-feet into the air and land with silent grace with half a meniscus, and despite the pretty name, Equisetum arvense is useless for what I gotz

 

 

iv had similar experience with silicon until i corrected my manganese deficiency,if you have problems with connective tissue there is high chance to be low on manganese.

 

my understanding is that manganese is needed to form the tissue and then silicon makes it more stable.

 

[sativa]

A very cheap source of silica is food grade diatomaceous earth.

I just add some to water which sits for at least a few days. During this time, the silica from the diatomaceous earth reacts with tap water to form Orthosilicic acid.

I also add boron (as borax) to my water, take K2, Mg, Ca and occasionally take cissus and gotu kola (which increases hyaluronic acid production)

All in all, my teeth, hair, nails and skin are in very good condition.

[fntms]

Here another interesting link of a recent research showing how, at least in vitro, low doses are neuroprotective while high doses are neurotoxic (best dose for humans not determined yet but at least we know that moderation may be wise).

Interesting too is the fact that researchers used the Swiss made G5 for this project, maybe it means that the Swiss made G5 is legit and because it costs 1/4 of the other 2 available G5 it will be a very welcome news, I guess.

http://www.researchg...-SY5Y_cell_line

Do you know of an online retailer for Swiss G5?

I take the 'wrong' kind: mineral silica, don't notice much (better skin perhaps?) tbh.
It's an aluminum chelator, so that's also useful for the brain (I drink green tea which can contain aluminum)...

[aconita]

www.le-silicium-organique-g5-ethique.com

 

www.glycan-shop.com