Hi all,
May you give advice on what supplements to take for Alcoholism please?.
no fluff.
thank you.
Posted 16 February 2016 - 09:50 PM
Hi all,
May you give advice on what supplements to take for Alcoholism please?.
no fluff.
thank you.
Posted 16 February 2016 - 10:59 PM
I assume you mean supplements which may help in ending or reducing the habit.
Since alcohol seems to effect mainly endorphins and GABA it may make sense to emulate that.
Guessing that opiates wouldn't be a smart choice in order to raise endorphins, unless you aim to become an opiates addict, of course, I may suggest training as an healthy and very efficient way to achieve that.
GABA may be enhanced by glutamine and theanine as the easier compounds to get (and probably safer too).
Glutamine has to be taken in relatively high amounts (10-20g/day),
Posted 18 February 2016 - 10:25 AM
Piracetam has 6 human studies showing it as helpful for recovering alcoholics.
In an interesting episode of history, Dr. Hoffer introduced the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous, Bill Wilson, to LSD therapy for alcoholics. Dr. Hoffer also introduced Vitamin B3 to Wilson as an option for treating Alcoholism:
“Bill was very curious about it and began to take niacin, 3 g daily. Within a few weeks fatigue and depression which had plagued him for years were gone. He gave it to 30 of his close friends in AA and persuaded them to try it. Within 6 months he was convinced that it would be very helpful to alcoholics. Of the thirty, 10 were free of anxiety, tension and depression in one month. Another 10 were well in two months.”
They went on to conduct studies on much larger groups, the data produced was optimistic:
“A five-year longitudinal field trial of nicotinic acid was conducted on 507 known alcoholics to determine what effects and benefits might result. Our experience strongly suggests that:
1. Nicotinic acid can benefit 50 to 60 percent of alcoholics in the organic stage.
2. Nicotinic acid can benefit about 30 percent of the total alcoholic population.”
Niacin is an inexpensive, and potentially transformative option worth the consideration of those struggling with alcoholism.
A handful of studies and clinical reviews have established Tianeptine, as an option for treating alcoholic withdrawal, from a review analyzing multiple trials:
"Tianeptine is effective in the treatment of depression in elderly and post-alcohol-withdrawal patient subgroups. Tianeptine was more effective in reducing psychic anxiety than placebo in patients with major depression or depressed bipolar disorder with or without melancholia."
Although, this doesn't make it good cure for a hangover, combining it with alcohol is a very bad idea.
Posted 18 February 2016 - 12:32 PM
http://www.longecity...sm-supplements/
http://www.longecity...heavy-drinking/
Edited by Logic, 18 February 2016 - 12:34 PM.
Posted 20 February 2016 - 05:34 PM
Look into butyrate - I've been using it with great success. My n=1 is that it completely annihilates the urge to drink - you still can if you so incline, but that incessant voice in the back of your head telling you to gets muted.
I've also noticed that it usually prevents me from wanting to continue drinking. I used to go out and after two drinks, would usually compulsively imbibe 3-4 more. After using butyrate, I can sip on two drink for 4 hours and be content.
It also appears to be effective for reducing cravings for amphetamines, cocaine and nicotine, but not opiates.
The histone deacetylase inhibitor sodium butyrate decreases excessive ethanol intake in dependent animals.
Here it is on Amazon. Don't send any money, use it to stock up on butyrate. 1 pill three times a day has worked well, currently experimenting with higher doses.
Posted 20 February 2016 - 06:26 PM
Cravings
The prescription drug Naltrexone eliminates alcohol cravings for some users like flippiing a switch. It is an opioid receptor antagonist. It is not habit-forming. It does not induce nausea if you drink alcohol. It has minimal side effects. It is cheap and easily available in the U.S. with a prescription.
https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Naltrexone
http://www.webmd.com...naltrexone oral
http://www.drugs.com...dependence.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm....term=naltrexone
http://www.theatlant.../#disqus_thread
https://www.google.c...Sinclair Method
http://www.amazon.co...customerReviews
http://www.amazon.co...customerReviews
Naltrexone does not work for everyone. Here are some alternative prescription options:
https://en.wikipedia...iki/Acamprosate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baclofen
https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Nalmefene
If none of that works for cravings, a hard to get option is Ibogaine. It is not legal in the U.S. because it is a hallucinogen, but it is legal in Mexico, Canada, Bahamas, and Costa Rica, which are relatively easy access. You need to be in somewhat good physical health to use it because it is a rough "trip." Some users report elimination of cravings after one "trip" on Ibogaine. It is not addictive. Some of the clinics that offer this therapy appear to be sketchy, and some are legit clinics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine
Example providers for reference (this is in no way an endorsement):
http://ibeginagain.org/
http://bahamianoasis.org/ibo/
http://ibogainebahamas.com/
Brain Damage
High alcohol consumption and/or malnutrition depletes thiamine in a huge way, causing a dementia that is called by several names, such as "Alcohol-related dementia (ARD)" and "Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome." This type of dementia mimics Alzheimer's, but it will stop progressing or reverse when thiamine is restored.
Ordinary Thiamine is not well-absorbed orally. It is therefore given intravenously (200mg, three times per day) in the form of a "banana bag." A synthetic thiamine called "Benfotiamine" is well-absorbed orally, but it does not significantly increase thiamine in the brain. A synthetic thiamine called "Sulbutiamine" is well-absorbed orally and crosses the blood brain barrier. Sulbutiamine is also used as a smart drug by people without thiamine deficiency. Typical dosage is 400-1000 mg per day. Sulbutiamine is cheap and easy to get, so it is worth a try.
https://en.wikipedia...ki/Sulbutiamine
https://en.wikipedia...elated_dementia
https://en.wikipedia...sakoff_syndrome
Posted 21 February 2016 - 10:13 AM
Look into butyrate - I've been using it with great success. My n=1 is that it completely annihilates the urge to drink - you still can if you so incline, but that incessant voice in the back of your head telling you to gets muted.
I've also noticed that it usually prevents me from wanting to continue drinking. I used to go out and after two drinks, would usually compulsively imbibe 3-4 more. After using butyrate, I can sip on two drink for 4 hours and be content.
It also appears to be effective for reducing cravings for amphetamines, cocaine and nicotine, but not opiates.
The histone deacetylase inhibitor sodium butyrate decreases excessive ethanol intake in dependent animals.
Here it is on Amazon. Don't send any money, use it to stock up on butyrate. 1 pill three times a day has worked well, currently experimenting with higher doses.
COOL, that is why things like curcumin are mentioned helpful.)
Protective effect of quercetin on alcohol abstinence-induced anxiety and convulsions.Chronic administration of ethanol (2 g/kg, p.o.) on days 1-6 and its withdrawal produced an anxiogenic reaction in mice as assessed in the mirrored-chamber test. Daily administration of quercetin (25 or 50 mg/kg, p.o.) prior to ethanol for 6 days prevented withdrawal-induced anxiety in mice. However, acute administration of a single dose of quercetin (50 mg/kg) to animals withdrawn from ethanol, i.e., on day 7, did not prevent withdrawal-induced anxiety. Ethanol withdrawal also induced a significant increase in the locomotor activity of mice indicating an anxiogenic response. Daily administration of quercetin (25 or 50 mg/kg, p.o.) prior to ethanol for 6 days prevented withdrawal-induced increased locomotor activity. Ethanol withdrawal also sensitized the convulsogenic reaction to pentylenetetrazole (PTZ). A non-convulsive dose (40-60 mg/kg) of PTZ produced full-blown convulsions and increased mortality in ethanol-withdrawn mice. Both acute and chronic administration of quercetin (25 or 50 mg/kg, p.o.) produced a significant protection against ethanol withdrawal-induced reduction in PTZ threshold in mice. The result suggests the protective effect of this safe drug, quercetin, in the management of ethanol withdrawal reactions.
Posted 28 February 2016 - 01:46 AM
Cravings
The prescription drug Naltrexone eliminates alcohol cravings for some users like flippiing a switch. It is an opioid receptor antagonist. It is not habit-forming. It does not induce nausea if you drink alcohol. It has minimal side effects. It is cheap and easily available in the U.S. with a prescription.
https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Naltrexone
http://www.webmd.com...naltrexone oral
http://www.drugs.com...dependence.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm....term=naltrexone
http://www.theatlant.../#disqus_thread
https://www.google.c...Sinclair Method
http://www.amazon.co...customerReviews
http://www.amazon.co...customerReviews
Naltrexone does not work for everyone. Here are some alternative prescription options:
https://en.wikipedia...iki/Acamprosate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baclofen
https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Nalmefene
If none of that works for cravings, a hard to get option is Ibogaine. It is not legal in the U.S. because it is a hallucinogen, but it is legal in Mexico, Canada, Bahamas, and Costa Rica, which are relatively easy access. You need to be in somewhat good physical health to use it because it is a rough "trip." Some users report elimination of cravings after one "trip" on Ibogaine. It is not addictive. Some of the clinics that offer this therapy appear to be sketchy, and some are legit clinics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine
Example providers for reference (this is in no way an endorsement):http://ibeginagain.org/
http://bahamianoasis.org/ibo/
http://ibogainebahamas.com/
Brain Damage
High alcohol consumption and/or malnutrition depletes thiamine in a huge way, causing a dementia that is called by several names, such as "Alcohol-related dementia (ARD)" and "Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome." This type of dementia mimics Alzheimer's, but it will stop progressing or reverse when thiamine is restored.
Ordinary Thiamine is not well-absorbed orally. It is therefore given intravenously (200mg, three times per day) in the form of a "banana bag." A synthetic thiamine called "Benfotiamine" is well-absorbed orally, but it does not significantly increase thiamine in the brain. A synthetic thiamine called "Sulbutiamine" is well-absorbed orally and crosses the blood brain barrier. Sulbutiamine is also used as a smart drug by people without thiamine deficiency. Typical dosage is 400-1000 mg per day. Sulbutiamine is cheap and easy to get, so it is worth a try.
https://en.wikipedia...ki/Sulbutiamine
Naltrexone is dosed at 50 mg/day
Acamporsate is dosed at 666mg 3x a day.
Acamporsate blocks cravings.
Naltrexone decreases the euphoria from alcohol as well.
You can combine both - Natrexone at 50 mg/day, and acamporsate at 333mg 3 x a day- naltrexone will increase acomporsate levels.
Good luck.
Drinking on naltrexone- Sinclair method.
Posted 28 February 2016 - 02:52 AM
Look into butyrate - I've been using it with great success. My n=1 is that it completely annihilates the urge to drink - you still can if you so incline, but that incessant voice in the back of your head telling you to gets muted.
I've also noticed that it usually prevents me from wanting to continue drinking. I used to go out and after two drinks, would usually compulsively imbibe 3-4 more. After using butyrate, I can sip on two drink for 4 hours and be content.
It also appears to be effective for reducing cravings for amphetamines, cocaine and nicotine, but not opiates.
The histone deacetylase inhibitor sodium butyrate decreases excessive ethanol intake in dependent animals.
Here it is on Amazon. Don't send any money, use it to stock up on butyrate. 1 pill three times a day has worked well, currently experimenting with higher doses.
Posted 04 March 2016 - 08:25 PM
Look into butyrate - I've been using it with great success. My n=1 is that it completely annihilates the urge to drink - you still can if you so incline, but that incessant voice in the back of your head telling you to gets muted.
I've also noticed that it usually prevents me from wanting to continue drinking. I used to go out and after two drinks, would usually compulsively imbibe 3-4 more. After using butyrate, I can sip on two drink for 4 hours and be content.
It also appears to be effective for reducing cravings for amphetamines, cocaine and nicotine, but not opiates.
The histone deacetylase inhibitor sodium butyrate decreases excessive ethanol intake in dependent animals.
Here it is on Amazon. Don't send any money, use it to stock up on butyrate. 1 pill three times a day has worked well, currently experimenting with higher doses.
Very interesting! Does this imply gut disbiosis as a causative factor?
I've only seen info on protective mechanisms
http://www.ncbi.nlm....00/#!po=14.0625
I'm not qualified to say, but it seems that sodium butyrate works for addiction at least partially through interacting with FosB.
Posted 05 March 2016 - 03:15 AM
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Posted 05 March 2016 - 06:32 PM
Gabapentin is available with prescription. It is commonly prescribed for alcoholism and anxiety that is associated with alcohol withdrawal. I think the starting dosage is 300mg three times a day, it is metabolized by the kidneys not the liver. As for supplements vitamin B complex and NAC.
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