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[Deaden]

No shit it's called having to go trough withdrawals or not being drugged while still having a shitty life and mindset. At this point you're just wasting my time dude, stop.

[jaiho]

No shit it's called having to go trough withdrawals or not being drugged while still having a shitty life and mindset. At this point you're just wasting my time dude, stop.

 

Tell that to Jordan Peterson. Literally educates people on how to have a good life. Still needs meds.

[jaiho]

Edited by jaiho, 14 July 2018 - 04:14 AM.

[Deaden]

For sure you got the genes of not being so bright xD. Sucks that your pretty eyes are going to waste, imagine if you actually got yourself out there and tried picking up some girls 

Edited by Deaden, 14 July 2018 - 04:19 AM.

[Deaden]

Of course I'd get down voted for trying to help in a drug addict mentally ill forum such as longecity. It's okay whoever doesn't gets it you'll make sense of it later, maybe in a couple years. Meanwhile keep drugging yourself, and feeding the obsession on symptoms by overly researching pointlessly, It's working great. I have yet to see any relevant counter arguments to my own. By the way Jake, stop with the hypocrisy "let a doctor decide that", last time i checked you're constantly picking yourself which drug you want to take then ask your psychiatrist to prescribe it to you, but also telling others to do the same. You're also ordering brain stimulation devices, nootropics off the internet. And you think I don't take my information from doctors work? Yes I do, just not the kind that aims to make profite off selling drugs which are detrimental long term. You're hopeless.

Edited by Deaden, 14 July 2018 - 06:30 PM.

[Dichotohmy]

Because this thread has swung towards a meta-discussion on depression remedies, vis a vis Michael's particular problem which is pretty clearly distinct from depression, an important thing to keep in mind is that depression is, for most people, an episodic phenomenon. This means that a major depression, not to be confused with bereavement, may happen only occasionally and be short lived; it may even only happen once in a given person's life and never return.

According to this source, the lifetime prevalence of MDD is around 20% Now, I've read that statistic countless times around, and even though I find it difficult to believe the figure is that low, 20% seems to be a consistent figure. On the other hand, persistent depression disorder, dysthymia, or whatever you want to call chronic depression, is comparatively rare at only around 4% of the given population.

 

Keeping in mind that the DSM 5 only calls for a given number of symptoms to be present for a two week period, how do we know, or how can we even know, that when people report recovering from depression that the recovery is not due to any sort of intervention, but merely a consequence of the fact that MDD is very often short-lived? In essence, one may very well attribute countless lifestyle hacks and other controllable choices to recovery, when in fact, the person would have recovered any way due to the typically-short-lived nature of MDD. This further raises the question about whether a drug intervention for MDD has any effect as well, when the MDD could very well go away on it's own whether the person started drug therapy or not.

 

I think a lot of people make the mistake of assuming an improvement in depression, or other negative situation, can be attributable to some sort of intervention when in fact, these people might have had the exact same result by doing nothing at all. I suppose this is human nature to look for such a cause and effect rather than surrender to the thought that we have a lot less agency or control over our own lives and health than we think. Thus, I definitely have to agree that it is wise not to obsess or ruminate on what to do when you are faced with something as terrible as MDD-like symptoms because it is quite possible that doing nothing might just be the answer.

Edited by Dichotohmy, 14 July 2018 - 05:56 PM.

[Deaden]

Hmmm I'll have to disagree on some things here. If someone fell into anhedonia, MDD or whatever, there is a reason for it, often rooted to the thought patterns and lifestyle a person is adopting. Doing nothing often implies that person will not aim to break of toxic habits that made its quality of life take a downturn in the first place. To some extent, recovery from mental illness is counter intuative. When someone is hit by debilitating symptoms, they'll want to get better as fast as they can right? Nobody likes to suffer...  Someone with anhedonia for example can't feel positiveness, is overthinking, and unmotivated. So first instinct is often just to research on google ways to get better, and this leads to falling easily into the hypochondria of thinking it's all due to biological abnormalities they have no power on, will take drugs for quick fixes. Thing is it's been estalished those things are detrimental in long term prognosis. 

 

So really I can't agree with your view, drugs of any kind do interfere with recovery. You can't cheat nature. If there was a long of good things happening in michael's life, if he wasn't on drugs, eating healthy, and worked to break of analysing everything and try to live in the present, I'm sure he'd get much better after a while. Actually, I'd say if someone isn't doing anything in terms of not drugging itself, then is being productive towards recovery, yes. But anyone that always has "I have anhedonia, anhedonia is terrible, everything is shit since I have anhedonia and there is nothing I can do about it because my body and brain are fucked, if I don't have something that fixes the root of the issue then everything I do is pointless. I'm not enjoying this, I'm not enjoying that" in the back of their mind during their everyday life, and thinks this itself doesn't actually feed their symptoms... is a fool. Of course just forcing yourself to believe you love life won't work immediately in actually making you feel good, but after a while it will trust me. 

 

Also, your environment does influence how you feel, because it encourages distraction to break out of being stuck inside your mind, and view the world differently. Anyone with a perfectly healthy brain, can get more happy if for example they get a good looking, funny, intelligent girlfriend or boyfriend and have fun with her/him. It applies just as much for people with mental illness, good things encourages good feelings. Set back and take an objective look at your life, what do you spend your day thinking about, what do you do? I guarantee you can find there's a lot of things that you're doing that are feeding your low well being... Also it's not a black or white thing, even for people that never had any mental illness, there's some that will be less or more motivated, less or more happy. Genes? No. Life. Choices.

Edited by Deaden, 14 July 2018 - 08:58 PM.

[Multivitz]

Boron
Then copper, with all the supporting co factors.
I had solemness form antifreeze vapours for 18 months!
Boron was a big factor in revitalising my mojo.
GOtmag.org helped a lot. Eat good fats, meet people, it’s ok, after you go through your healing journey you will find what was holding you down. You’ll find minerals in all sorts of places.
Nothing happens without boron.

[Multivitz]

Sounds like Fluorine poisoning from multiple sources to me. Get all your supplements in place then try iodine therapy for a couple of days a week, you won’t feel better immediately, but you’ll find it may kick start the dormant cells once the master Halide(iodine) pushes out some industrial waste(fluorine salts, aluminium, mercury, etc. Remember they only leave the body when coated in stuff like soluble plant fiber or grown out though hair fiber.
Detox can harm you and your body, make sure you do it right. Get protective salts in place first, use gamma E with fresh veg, sea salt, pure water, seek out detox info from trusted places like mercola, gotmag. Natural source vit C No more that 200mg/serving. Try copper, it’s involved in heavy metal detox but please read up on it first!!!
Detox should not feel bad, but if you have attracted large amount of metals, you may be in for a rough ride. If that’s the case just do it once a week and avoid hybrid foods like the plague lol germs lol I don’t believe in their sinister side , they run off when tea tree oil is about.

[Multivitz]

over 80% of people have major long term boron dificiency, cellular copper deficiency, iodine deficiency, magnesium shortage, iron overload, etc.
vanadium feeds parts of the brain and liver, molybdenum allows correct protein folding/bonding. There’s many bases that need To be covered............or things won’t change. Eventually the ups and downs get easier with more ups being achievable. I hope you hope, but nothing happens until you do something for your body, like identifying conditions using symptoms as a base.
Maybe colostrum is for you, you might have parasite damage and want a global super growth factor food.
Rarely drugs are warranted for fast effective healing. MSM should open your blood supply up and remove the toxins, try it until you don’t feel good then leave it a week then do it again, remembering to eat real food!

[Multivitz]

Mumijo?

[jack black]

here is a thought:

[...]

what if dopaminergic drugs can induce tardive anhedonia (permanent downregulation of dopamine receptors)???

 

 

 

turns out that "tardive anhedonia" is called:

 

Dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome

 

 

 

A subset of patients who taper a dopamine agonist, however, develop dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome (DAWS), which has been defined as a severe, stereotyped cluster of physical and psychological symptoms that correlate with dopamine agonist withdrawal in a dose-dependent manner, cause clinically significant distress or social/occupational dysfunction, are refractory to levodopa and other dopaminergic medications, and cannot be accounted for by other clinical factors. The symptoms of DAWS include anxiety, panic attacks, dysphoria, depression, agitation, irritability, suicidal ideation, fatigue, orthostatic hypotension, nausea, vomiting, diaphoresis, generalized pain, and drug cravings. The severity and prognosis of DAWS is highly variable. While some patients have transient symptoms and make a full recovery, others have a protracted withdrawal syndrome lasting for months to years,

[Deaden]

Shut up, it doesn't matter. Only way it takes years is if a person is still continuously messing up itself with bad habits or other drugs. 

Edited by Deaden, 16 July 2018 - 01:36 AM.