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Zinc reduces Amphetamine tolerance?

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#1 lemon_

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 09:01 AM


hi,
can anyone explain below please? ( found it on another forum)
 
 And then I take zinc off and on - an uncompetitive voltage-dependent NMDA receptor antagonist like magnesium, but binds within the channel and on the outside (shown to work when magnesium tolerant NMDA receptors are an issue). Also, zinc decreases the optimum dosage of amphetamine by 37% on average. I take it off and on because when I take it it increases the effects of amps, until about 3 or 4 days into taking it, and then it just blocks it, and so I stop taking it and the effects come back strong again. I read that amphetamine's effects are somewhat reliant on the glutamate transmission, so blocking it entirely wouldn't be beneficial. 
 
anyone care to explain please?
 


#2 RYAN474

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 12:20 AM

Not sure if I can explain, but I had never heard of this and am intrigued being that I have noticed a similar effect with Zinc supplementation while taking adderall.  The study referred to came up on first page of pubmed search for amphetamine+ zinc  http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3037197/  

 

One other thing to consider is that zinc is an aromatase inhibitor, which can have a noticeable effect on cognition. Allowing some aromatization of androgens to estrogens is beneficial for cognition (in my experience and I believe I've read some anecdotal and scientific reference to this). So excessively high doses of zinc would theoretically be detrimental to cognition due to the excessive reduction in aromatization alone. That is, independent of whatever other effects Zinc may have on amphetamine dosage.

 

I'm sure its highly individual, but taking 50mg of zinc picolinate (without any copper) is too much for me. Causes mild anxiety (esp in conjunction with adderall at standard dosage I take), lack of verbal fluency, and blunting of creativity and free flow of thinking. Perhaps it is boosting the effect of adderall and causing excessive levels in my system. And perhaps inhibiting aromatase. Productivity drops significantly within a few days on that dose of zinc. On the plus side, my voice becomes significantly deeper within  24 hours every time but its not worth the trade off. I've settled with 15 to 25mg daily. Periodically will switch it up from plain zinc picolinate to opti-l-zinc which contains some copper, ensures I'm not depleting copper too much. 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:43 AM

Effect of magnesium chloride on psychomotor activity, emotional status, and acute behavioural responses to clonidine, d-amphetamine, arecoline, nicotine, apomorphine, and L-5-hydroxytryptophan.
Mg supplementation alone and in combination with pyridoxine normalized acute behavioural responses to d-amphetamine, 5-hydroxytryptophan, and arecoline in Mg deficient rats with a return to pre-deficient levels observed in the Mg sufficient group.



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:21 AM

Zinc is also a DRI and can reverse the DAT like amphetamine (via TAAR)

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 06:46 PM

What you mean?

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:44 PM

What you mean?


Oops sorry, here's an expansion on that lingo:

Zinc does more than just block the DAT. It also enhances the "efflux" of dopamine, meaning the rate at which dopamine is dumped into the synapse by any means [in this case it is probably by firing the neuron].
http://udini.proques...goid:304435321/

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So, it doesn't just inhibit the transporter when the membrane potential is in the firing phase. It alters the membrane potential so that the transporter is continuously shut down. It also REVERSES the transporter, JUST LIKE AMPHETAMINE DOES!

AND EVEN MORE SO, it enhances the efflux [firing] of dopamine itself from the cell, just like amphetamine!


from http://herbs.mxf.yuk...nhibitor?page=1

Edited by sativa, 22 February 2016 - 10:48 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 10:47 PM

[Double post]

Edited by sativa, 22 February 2016 - 10:48 PM.


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Posted 23 February 2016 - 06:25 PM

Zinc inhibits DAT. Amphetamine accelerate DAT but they the direction of uptake. It can work neuroprotective. Also NMDA antagonism by anything enhance the effects of stimulants. 


 


Edited by BobbyDick, 23 February 2016 - 06:26 PM.






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