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[limerence]

Even though the thread has moved on from it I started pine pollen today, will provide my anecdotal report on it after cycling for a month. 2:1 concentration, 8 drops sublingual 2x-3x a day. 

How did it work for you?

 

 

Some testo stuff i've learned since posting. Mercury poisoning in various degree is relatively common. Estrogen has a neuroprotective effect against mercury damage on brain tissue. Testosterone+mercury is exponentially more destructive. So, i think one reason male test level average is probably lower than the previous century, is due to increased mercury levels. Being high test is suicide for such a brain. Also, gives credence to the dumb jock stereotype hehheh. Personally, I have stopped doing push ups, pull ups, exercise except cardio while i detox mercury via cutler chelation and infared sauna. Feels amazing... like surprised to feel good, in ways you never conceived.

Edited by limerence, 05 February 2018 - 03:49 AM.

[normalizing]

im a male but honestly, boosting estrogen makes me less depressed and aggressive and overall feeling better than boosting testosterone (which i have done in the past). go figure

[Galaxyshock]

I take

 

Maca

Nettle extract

Ashwagandha extract

White button mushroom extract

Muira Puama extract

Fenugreek extract

Pygeum africanum extract

Rhodiola extract

Holy basil

Cordyceps extract

Pycnogenol

Zinc

Mucuna pruriens extract

Vitamin D

[normalizing]

thats way too much shit. is wasting so much money for supplements with mediocre to possible impotent benefit in boosting testosterone worth it? i mean, maybe if you have money and you are cassanova or a pornstar. whats the point for a regular guy to spend so much money on so much crap to have their testosterone high at all times?? for example, maybe if you get a new lover or gf, get few shots of real testosterone from your doctor (have your insurance pay it) and enjoy it for a bit. otherwise, you must be rich, a cassanova or pornstar and good luck!

Edited by hazy, 10 March 2018 - 04:20 AM.

[Galaxyshock]

Hehe, all that stuff except vitamin D and Mucuna is in one botanical blend product that costed me €23,90 (for 30 day supply). My thinking was that at least it has several adaptogens that I know to work and if it does increase testosterone or something else then it's all plus. Turns out it has very noticeable effect on me and relieves my anhedonia a lot. I don't know how much effect it has on hormones as I haven't had them measured.

[gamesguru]

Hehe, all that stuff except vitamin D and Mucuna is in one botanical blend product that costed me €23,90 (for 30 day supply).

 

Not to be a douche here, but what if each individual constituent was so watered down as to render the whole completely useless?  I take ginger and ginkgo, magnesium and boron.  It might make nosebleeds last longer, but there's always a price to pay for cleaner pipes.

 

@hazy

i think TRT would be even more expensive, inconvenient and unsafe?  And your tone of voice is less than convincing.  Concerning the estrogen, I would repeat an experiment with regular exercise and button mushrooms (both anti-estrogen) to see if that makes things worse before hanging up the hat for good.  You only get so many chances to settle on the truth

[Galaxyshock]

Some of the herbs are underdosed/weak in the product, like there's only 200 mg of Cordyceps extract in it which is too little. I have separate Cordyceps product for that reason. But overall it does have noticeable effect on me, libido heightened more drive and fuller feeling in muscles and great pumps when working out. There's some increase in anxiety and I think it's the Muira Puama which is a known anxiogen although at the same time does have anti-stress qualities.

 

How much Ginger do you take gamesguru? I'd like to try that spice for its broad range of benefits.

[normalizing]

i just eat really spicy foods and i get horny and get errections. do not take supplements for that specifically. i have more of a problem with depression and thats much much more vital to fix than anything to do with your dick

[Galaxyshock]

Depression and your dick may go hand in hand, in that more you use your hand the more depressed you are. That seemed to be the case of teenage me, hehe.

 

Anyways, one teaspoon of ginger mixed in coffee gave nice pleasant stimulation. It also got rid of this odd dull stomach pain I had for weeks that had me worried. I think this spice is a keeper.

[gamesguru]

Any way you slice it it's a keeper, I like mine blended and boiled, strained and mixed with sugary/fizzy water.

 

Would vary from person to person but I'm sure we could write a modest thread alone on the negatives of ringing the rooster too often.  Unfortunately I tend to concentrate my doses, twice a day for a few days followed by a week or two off.  not sure about calling it depression in the strict sense.  but with our luck it's probably on the second night where you'll be invited back to the batgirl cave.  you've had a lazy Saturday, didn't bother to take your magnesium and later on you'll be fuddy duddy flattened and blowing your chances

[Galaxyshock]

There's some information that you need fresh ginger for the best benefits, I'm taking it in dried and powdered form. Oh well, what about other spices, Garlic?

[somuchforthat22]

i feel like nettle root extract in particular is really underrated.  i was using nettle, maca, cordyceps, pycnogenol, l-citrulline, agmatine, magnesium, and zinc and was having improved libido/erections, but then i ran out of nettle, and after a few days the positive side effects almost completely diminished.   i think i may have some kind of prostate issue such as prostatitis, which makes the nettle much more important for me, but yea, it's definitely had a very noticeable effect.  amazon is slacking in shipping me more.

[chipdouglas]

i feel like nettle root extract in particular is really underrated.  i was using nettle, maca, cordyceps, pycnogenol, l-citrulline, agmatine, magnesium, and zinc and was having improved libido/erections, but then i ran out of nettle, and after a few days the positive side effects almost completely diminished.   i think i may have some kind of prostate issue such as prostatitis, which makes the nettle much more important for me, but yea, it's definitely had a very noticeable effect.  amazon is slacking in shipping me more.

 

FWIW, many years ago, I'd a rather profound experience with nettle root extract (wasn't using anything else at the time, so no possible interference). I'd noticed, significantly increased subjective well-being, profound calm and spontaneous erections. These are things you notice when you've had such issues for many many years. 

 

Nowadays, I'm having success with cordyceps Militaris and/or CS-4 and PrimaVie. 

[Blueflash]

Careful with the ginkgo  I've heard of brain bleeds on this stuff....

[normalizing]

gingko is a potent blood thinner yes. i guess just dont hit your head when you take it? best thing to do that ill think is avoid being drunk in bars

[John2009]

Chlorophytum borivilianum or Safed Musli ,  appeared to be an effective erectogenic agent and aphrodisiac in mice studies. This does not mean it increases testosterone, but perhaps it could ?  It was interesting that in one study it was only slightly less effective than Viagra as an erectogenic agent.  

 

https://examine.com/...m-borivilianum/

 

I searched for this stuff online and all I found were brands I never really heard of before.

 

Does anyone know of a quality source ? I would be interested to a least give it a try.

 

 

 

 

[normalizing]

so it worked in a way, but less than viagra? so why not just get viagra? from what i read viagra now has generics and insurance might pay for it depending on what you have. but even then, the prices have fallen down. why would you spend time and money to invest in strange suspicious brands that sell something that nobody really experimented with to know how effective and safe it is for probably much higher prices that insurances wont cover?? i guess nature boys will say "WELL ITS NATURAL, DOOD!!!" again, viagra is now generic and insurance might pay for it and it is cheaper than before, would you spend the time and money on unknown brands of unknown quality powders???

[John2009]

I am more interested in the aphrodisiac qualities of Musli, I don't need the erectogenic properties. Viagra is mainly just an erectogenic agent and it's not without it's problems from what I understand. I like to experiment with herbs that might enhance sexual performance just because I like sex. I found  years ago that Ginseng gave me a boost in this area and have had a general interest ever since.

 

As far as using unkown brands, I would rather not, which is why I was asking if anyone knew of a quality source or had any experience with the herb. Of course there is risk in anything but as long as you research it first best as possible, I suspect there is much less risk trying an herb than driving to work every day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[normalizing]

so if ginseng gives you a boost in the area, why bother switching to anything else? from what i gather though, you will need expensive high quality ginseng. i assume thats why you are looking for alternatives?

[dazed1]

D3/K2MK4

Boron

Zinc Picolinate/Glycinate

Taurine

Magnesium

 

This ones have most data, and most potent effects generally, from personal, and test on like 10+ users till now, no way you wont feel the effects, even if you are in normal (but not high) range.

[John2009]

so if ginseng gives you a boost in the area, why bother switching to anything else?

 

 

I guess because I am always looking for a bigger boost, and I also just like to experiment with herbs a little to see how they make me feel overall. Everyone is different and you never really know how something will make you feel until you try it. Ginseng also seems to just make me feel better overall. I like adaptogen herbs like Ginseng, Rhodiola, and Ashwagandha. 

 

[normalizing]

well, good luck since the herbs you mentioned have dozen of patents, different types of different chemical balances in between each batch and tons and dozen of various powders and supplements sold out there with questionable benefit based on unidentifiable sources

[sedentary]

i would appreciate this thread stays on topic. any more comments, experiences with things that actually work to boost testosterone, thanks

[Rocket]

I am more interested in the aphrodisiac qualities of Musli, I don't need the erectogenic properties. Viagra is mainly just an erectogenic agent and it's not without it's problems from what I understand. I like to experiment with herbs that might enhance sexual performance just because I like sex. I found years ago that Ginseng gave me a boost in this area and have had a general interest ever since.

As far as using unkown brands, I would rather not, which is why I was asking if anyone knew of a quality source or had any experience with the herb. Of course there is risk in anything but as long as you research it first best as possible, I suspect there is much less risk trying an herb than driving to work every day.

Rosa damascena oil has published studies on it enhancing libido and even mitigating ssri sexual issues. Good luck finding some that can be taken internally however!

Prami and reequip also have libido effects but having used Prami I can't say that I noticed anything.

Raising T without knowing what you are doing can be dangerous. To raise T to get libido and muscular effects takes a lot of T and the effects can be short lived and not at all permanent.

Raise T = raised DHT = raised E. Raising T can actually be counter productive. You need to know all of your hormone levels and keep everything in check.

I am 1000% in belief of better living through chemistry! But you need to know what you are doing to your other hormones as a result of increasing T.

Heck, clomid will increase T. And it will raise it a lot. But there are always waterfall effects downstream when playing with hormones. And they are not good effects. BPH is common with men on TRT. Does anyone want that? Gotta go into it with your eyes open.


Very low dose triptorelin also increases T. But too much puts you into the realm of androgen deprivation therapy.

Unless you are bodybuilding and your T levels are normal. I would leave well enough alone.

T is VERY weak. You need very high levels for libido enhancement. Your body and brain receptors also adapt quickly. 300mg T will be good for a first cycle and effects on muscle and libido. Then your body adapts. Then you need 500 and then you need a gram.

A minor bump in T from herbs will quickly be adapted away.

Edited by Rocket, 22 September 2019 - 01:24 AM.

[aribadabar]

Raise T = raised DHT = raised E.

 

Would taking Arimidex while you are in your late 30s keep T at decent levels without exogenous T supplementation?

[aribadabar]

It would have been better that folks who downvoted my QUESTION present some of their own thoughts on the subject instead....

[Keizo]

It would have been better that folks who downvoted my QUESTION present some of their own thoughts on the subject instead....

Word on the street is that it has pretty significant side-effects. https://www.accessda...0541s031lbl.pdf Presumably some or a lot of that has to do with bringing estrogen too low, and it might be difficult not to if you are taking it at any dosage.

[sedentary]

the thread is about NATURAL testo boosters. so we should concentrate on finding out the best most effective natural treatment here if possible, thanks.

[Stanfoo]

Does Olive Leaf have any impact on Testosterone, I remember reading a few studies.

 

Yes, due to oleuropein

 

Wrong.

 

Oral administration of various concentrations of olive leaves extract resulted in significant decrease of male genital system hormones.

 

http://www.cjmb.org/...df_CJMB_125.pdf

Edited by Stanfoo, 21 June 2020 - 03:19 AM.

[Gal220]

Didnt read much here on what to avoid, maybe I missed a post. This article has a little bit of everything in it - Link

 

Things to avoid

-Sugar and excess carbs - "Eliminating sugar is probably the single most powerful way to increase your performance, in part because sugar absolutely devastates your testosterone levels"

-Hormone disruptors in deodorant and shampoo like parabens and phthalate

-"heart healthy” low-fat, low-cholesterol diet limits your performance. Fat and cholesterol don’t make you fat. They give your body the building blocks to create abundant testosterone and other sex hormones"

-"some common breakfast foods like Kellogg’s corn flakes and Graham crackers were invented 100 years ago to lower male libido", "That low fat, grain-based thing absolutely works wonders for lowering testosterone"

 

Posing ala WWE wrestlers increases test

"It turns out posing in powerful stances causes your testosterone to increase within 20 minutes [13,14]. In those two studies, power posing for just a few minutes also dropped cortisol and boosted confidence"

 

At one time I found a page where a fellow posted estimations on how much eliminating a bad deodorant or shampoo helped his test levels but cant find it.