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[Dakman]

You've tried to claim credibility all through this thread.....................time and time again, in the face of your ridiculous lies and farciscal anomalies being exposed.  

[FW900]

Jesus Christ.

 

This is what I gathered from reading this thread:

 

Early-Mid 2016 - Group buy is organized

 

Mid-Late 2016, Order is placed with an Alibaba supplier apparently without escrow and the supplier ended up scamming Redan. He states repeatedly that it is 1) His fault and 2) will refund the participants.

 

Late 2016 & Jan 2017 - Admitted he got a job and would refund the participants in the near future.

 

This seems like a perfectly reasonable scenario if you exclude all of the shit-slinging back and forth between Dakman/Dakman1, and Redan. So, why was he banned?

 

 

In the midst of all of this, Dakman is always jumping to conclusions: assuming that Redan is purchasing over Reddit based on a few posts (and assuming that it was for personal use rather than for distribution to the participants of the group buy); assuming that he is scamming (a paltry amount of $150); always accusatory and always casting out names, so much so that he managed to convince some of the participants that they were scammed (e.g. one said "I guess that's the internet for you"). He also must have managed to convince the moderators here to ban Redan, which in my opinion was a mistake.

 

Redan

 

1) Admitted fault and stated that he would refund the participants. This makes him liable. No good scammer would ever say they were at fault.

 

2) Stated that he was working on getting the funds and apparently recently got a job as of what looks like week or two ago.

 

I speak to Redan via PM sometimes. He is not a bad guy. He was on Medicare last year and probably is at or below the poverty line and genuinely did lack the funds. I fail to understand why he was banned from the site; this does a disservice to the participants of this group buy as now they cannot contact him and vice versa. I don't think he should be allowed to manage group buys any more but it was a mistake to ban him so prematurely. I'm hoping the moderators can reverse this decision and give him a month or two to make good on his promises now that he is working and has income to refund the participants of the group buy with. If he doesn't after a certain point, then perhaps a ban would be warranted.

[Ark]

Jesus Christ.

This is what I gathered from reading this thread:

Early-Mid 2016 - Group buy is organized

Mid-Late 2016, Order is placed with an Alibaba supplier apparently without escrow and the supplier ended up scamming Redan. He states repeatedly that it is 1) His fault and 2) will refund the participants.

Late 2016 & Jan 2017 - Admitted he got a job and would refund the participants in the near future.

This seems like a perfectly reasonable scenario if you exclude all of the shit-slinging back and forth between Dakman/Dakman1, and Redan. So, why was he banned?


In the midst of all of this, Dakman is always jumping to conclusions: assuming that Redan is purchasing over Reddit based on a few posts (and assuming that it was for personal use rather than for distribution to the participants of the group buy); assuming that he is scamming (a paltry amount of $150); always accusatory and always casting out names, so much so that he managed to convince some of the participants that they were scammed (e.g. one said "I guess that's the internet for you"). He also must have managed to convince the moderators here to ban Redan, which in my opinion was a mistake.

Redan

1) Admitted fault and stated that he would refund the participants. This makes him liable. No good scammer would ever say they were at fault.

2) Stated that he was working on getting the funds and apparently recently got a job as of what looks like week or two ago.

I speak to Redan via PM sometimes. He is not a bad guy. He was on Medicare last year and probably is at or below the poverty line and genuinely did lack the funds. I fail to understand why he was banned from the site; this does a disservice to the participants of this group buy as now they cannot contact him and vice versa. I don't think he should be allowed to manage group buys any more but it was a mistake to ban him so prematurely. I'm hoping the moderators can reverse this decision and give him a month or two to make good on his promises now that he is working and has income to refund the participants of the group buy with. If he doesn't after a certain point, then perhaps a ban would be warranted.

I don't want to get involved but I was almost apart of this group buy and I want to believe redan but he really did everything wrong and for me when he got caught buying more RC and says that's why they call it a addiction and his changing stories about what happened, followed by concluding he wasn't going to go through with the group buy because he's looking out for the world...

Well that for me says it all, that he is a addict and spent the money on himself.
More or less pulled a Mideval and shouldn't be on this forum until he cleans up his act.

Edited by Ark, 26 January 2017 - 07:04 PM.

[chemicalambrosia]

Jesus Christ.
 
This is what I gathered from reading this thread:
 
Early-Mid 2016 - Group buy is organized
 
Mid-Late 2016, Order is placed with an Alibaba supplier apparently without escrow and the supplier ended up scamming Redan. He states repeatedly that it is 1) His fault and 2) will refund the participants.
 
Late 2016 & Jan 2017 - Admitted he got a job and would refund the participants in the near future.
 
This seems like a perfectly reasonable scenario if you exclude all of the shit-slinging back and forth between Dakman/Dakman1, and Redan. So, why was he banned?
 
 
In the midst of all of this, Dakman is always jumping to conclusions: assuming that Redan is purchasing over Reddit based on a few posts (and assuming that it was for personal use rather than for distribution to the participants of the group buy); assuming that he is scamming (a paltry amount of $150); always accusatory and always casting out names, so much so that he managed to convince some of the participants that they were scammed (e.g. one said "I guess that's the internet for you"). He also must have managed to convince the moderators here to ban Redan, which in my opinion was a mistake.
 
Redan
 
1) Admitted fault and stated that he would refund the participants. This makes him liable. No good scammer would ever say they were at fault.
 
2) Stated that he was working on getting the funds and apparently recently got a job as of what looks like week or two ago.
 
I speak to Redan via PM sometimes. He is not a bad guy. He was on Medicare last year and probably is at or below the poverty line and genuinely did lack the funds. I fail to understand why he was banned from the site; this does a disservice to the participants of this group buy as now they cannot contact him and vice versa. I don't think he should be allowed to manage group buys any more but it was a mistake to ban him so prematurely. I'm hoping the moderators can reverse this decision and give him a month or two to make good on his promises now that he is working and has income to refund the participants of the group buy with. If he doesn't after a certain point, then perhaps a ban would be warranted.

 
I largely agree with what you've said. Banning Redan doesn't do the group buy participants any favors. I would rather have him unbanned with a tagline saying he owes a substantial amount to group buy participants. The only thing you're missing is the following:
 

 

Redan are you sure this time? I can't imagine this is a scam only because you keep updating us. If I was a scam man I'd have levy long ago. Nonetheless can you update on eta?

Hi plumper,

I am offering any participants who have changed their mind a full refund for what they paid. I do apologize for the wait. I have a check sitting in the postal office about to get delivered tomorrow, with which the funds will be designated solely on completion of the group buy.

Sorry for the wait and best regards.

 

What happened to the check Redan? I defended you and I still think you want to the right thing, but when you do something like this it makes you and the people that asked for you to be given a chance(me) look like asses.

[Dakman]

Jesus Christ.

This is what I gathered from reading this thread:

Early-Mid 2016 - Group buy is organized

Mid-Late 2016, Order is placed with an Alibaba supplier apparently without escrow and the supplier ended up scamming Redan. He states repeatedly that it is 1) His fault and 2) will refund the participants.

Late 2016 & Jan 2017 - Admitted he got a job and would refund the participants in the near future.

This seems like a perfectly reasonable scenario if you exclude all of the shit-slinging back and forth between Dakman/Dakman1, and Redan. So, why was he banned?


In the midst of all of this, Dakman is always jumping to conclusions: assuming that Redan is purchasing over Reddit based on a few posts (and assuming that it was for personal use rather than for distribution to the participants of the group buy); assuming that he is scamming (a paltry amount of $150); always accusatory and always casting out names, so much so that he managed to convince some of the participants that they were scammed (e.g. one said "I guess that's the internet for you"). He also must have managed to convince the moderators here to ban Redan, which in my opinion was a mistake.

Redan

1) Admitted fault and stated that he would refund the participants. This makes him liable. No good scammer would ever say they were at fault.

2) Stated that he was working on getting the funds and apparently recently got a job as of what looks like week or two ago.

I speak to Redan via PM sometimes. He is not a bad guy. He was on Medicare last year and probably is at or below the poverty line and genuinely did lack the funds. I fail to understand why he was banned from the site; this does a disservice to the participants of this group buy as now they cannot contact him and vice versa. I don't think he should be allowed to manage group buys any more but it was a mistake to ban him so prematurely. I'm hoping the moderators can reverse this decision and give him a month or two to make good on his promises now that he is working and has income to refund the participants of the group buy with. If he doesn't after a certain point, then perhaps a ban would be warranted.

Jesus Christ......... you can't fucking read for shit dude.

Nor can you spot a bullshitter when there's a pile of bullshit a mile high stinking the place up.

[Acausal]

He deleted his account so that it would be harder to catch him lying to people but here's a Google cached version

 

https://webcache.goo...n&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

So we've got....

* trying to purchase 4F-MPH on January 18th with money he supposedly "doesn't have" although it sounds like it may have been unsuccessful

* Looks like another purchase around the first or so

* Can't get to that second page in the cached version but there was something around last December of him searching for a cheaper supplier than bulgalupum *AFTER* claiming that since getting scammed he was going to go through them as they're a known supplier

* This quote on "True, 4F-MPH can be quite anxiogenic. Hence, maybe IPH is the ideal phenidate. Still curious about 4F-EPH though." now remember when he said that he didn't actually receive it in the first place? Doesn't add up

* Before he deleted his account I was able to read back a good ways, looked like he'd been doing it steadily and inquiring about sources throughout this time

 

Based on previous experience with stimulant abusers and them owing people money, I have no doubt that Redan fully believes he's going to pay people back what he owes them. However, based on the same previous experience with stimulant abusers I'm not inclined to believe that it's actually going to happen - or, for that matter, let him anywhere near my stereo or easily-pawned possessions. He might be a good guy, that's entirely possible, but he's got a monkey on his back right now and unless he decides to start holding ethics as more important than his addiction then he's going to keep lying to himself and everyone else.

So yes, I think we were lied to and ripped off. The question is whether or not Redan here is going to pay people back. That he ripped people off seems to be pretty certain. But you know what? I don't care. You pay back the money, no harm no foul. You don't pay back the money, and I end up having to pay for my upcoming surgery's copay out of my savings? Then I'm angry, at that point this stops being just a stupid thing someone did and starts becoming emnity

[Reformed-Redan]

Well, for starters I don't plan to post anymore here regardless of the ban or not. I just want to move on from the field of nootropics. I've become a pauper and addict to research chemicals for being too curious or wishful thinking about the potency of nootropics on cognition...

 

Anyway, if one really wants to know the answers about my authenticity, then I recommend checking my other groups buys that I have conducted, with no complaints. 

 

Honestly, I don't know what's up Dakman's ass. I mean him posting here hasn't really changed my mind about not letting other people get into trying 4F-MPH, because the shit is very addictive. For the matter, I've quit all RC's, because I do have the will power to say stop when I mean it. Dakman posts haven't persuaded me to give back the participants money, I would have done that without the howler monkey mud slinging and such. No fucks given honestly.

 

I knew from the start that this was a bad group buy to do, but, my desire to want to purchase the 4F-MPH was too great. Luckily, I changed plans and announced that I will refund the participants for their own sake and my sense of conscious of practically being a drug dealer.

 

Anyhow, give me some time and I will refund each participant in due time. 

 

Best regards.

[YOLF]

Jesus Christ.

 

This is what I gathered from reading this thread:

 

Early-Mid 2016 - Group buy is organized

 

Mid-Late 2016, Order is placed with an Alibaba supplier apparently without escrow and the supplier ended up scamming Redan. He states repeatedly that it is 1) His fault and 2) will refund the participants.

 

Late 2016 & Jan 2017 - Admitted he got a job and would refund the participants in the near future.

 

This seems like a perfectly reasonable scenario if you exclude all of the shit-slinging back and forth between Dakman/Dakman1, and Redan. So, why was he banned?

 

 

In the midst of all of this, Dakman is always jumping to conclusions: assuming that Redan is purchasing over Reddit based on a few posts (and assuming that it was for personal use rather than for distribution to the participants of the group buy); assuming that he is scamming (a paltry amount of $150); always accusatory and always casting out names, so much so that he managed to convince some of the participants that they were scammed (e.g. one said "I guess that's the internet for you"). He also must have managed to convince the moderators here to ban Redan, which in my opinion was a mistake.

 

Redan

 

1) Admitted fault and stated that he would refund the participants. This makes him liable. No good scammer would ever say they were at fault.

 

2) Stated that he was working on getting the funds and apparently recently got a job as of what looks like week or two ago.

 

I speak to Redan via PM sometimes. He is not a bad guy. He was on Medicare last year and probably is at or below the poverty line and genuinely did lack the funds. I fail to understand why he was banned from the site; this does a disservice to the participants of this group buy as now they cannot contact him and vice versa. I don't think he should be allowed to manage group buys any more but it was a mistake to ban him so prematurely. I'm hoping the moderators can reverse this decision and give him a month or two to make good on his promises now that he is working and has income to refund the participants of the group buy with. If he doesn't after a certain point, then perhaps a ban would be warranted.

This is to my knowledge, the second time redan has failed to deliver and I'm not sure people got paid back last time. I'm concerned that he runs around doing this more often than I'm aware of. He should still be able to use the PM system to pay people back and was only suspended for 30 days (now another 60 for multiple accounts). He's done a few other things to warrant my suspicion and should really be doing things the right way to cover himself and protect the interests of his fellow LC users whose money he is taking. For all I know, he is running group buys continuously and on every forum out there and ripping everyone off or rotating schemes across many at this point. If Redan responded differently, this suspension may not have happened, but it could be that this is what he wanted. However, Redan/Cannable Troll will have a limit of around 5-8 pms that he can send each day iirc as he does not have a membership.

 

In fact, what I'll do is knock off the suspensions and leave the warning points so nothing is holding him back from repayment.

[Dakman]

Well, for starters I don't plan to post anymore here regardless of the ban or not. I just want to move on from the field of nootropics. I've become a pauper and addict to research chemicals for being too curious or wishful thinking about the potency of nootropics on cognition...

 

Anyway, if one really wants to know the answers about my authenticity, then I recommend checking my other groups buys that I have conducted, with no complaints. 

 

Honestly, I don't know what's up Dakman's ass. I mean him posting here hasn't really changed my mind about not letting other people get into trying 4F-MPH, because the shit is very addictive. For the matter, I've quit all RC's, because I do have the will power to say stop when I mean it. Dakman posts haven't persuaded me to give back the participants money, I would have done that without the howler monkey mud slinging and such. No fucks given honestly.

 

I knew from the start that this was a bad group buy to do, but, my desire to want to purchase the 4F-MPH was too great. Luckily, I changed plans and announced that I will refund the participants for their own sake and my sense of conscious of practically being a drug dealer.

 

Anyhow, give me some time and I will refund each participant in due time. 

 

Best regards.

 

 

AND ONCE AGAIN............. poor boo hoo me, I'm a victim, please feel sorry for poor little old Redan.

 

 

 

What's up my ass Redan.............from the outset I knew you were a shit head, I was warning the others by exposing your crappy lies that you couldn't even creatively spin into a plausible story, all the way through you made fuck up after fuck up, it was like a fucking slow speed train wreck. The most disgusting thing of all is your smarmy belligerent lack of empathy for the people whose money you stole to fund your drugs and your pathetic way of then trying to tell them you've ripped them off but that you were only thinking of them because you're a good guy. 

 

Just accept that you're a thieving piece of dog shit and own it...........it's what's real after all. 

Edited by Dakman, 27 January 2017 - 06:15 AM.

[medievil]

 

He deleted his account so that it would be harder to catch him lying to people but here's a Google cached version

 

https://webcache.goo...n&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

So we've got....

* trying to purchase 4F-MPH on January 18th with money he supposedly "doesn't have" although it sounds like it may have been unsuccessful

* Looks like another purchase around the first or so

* Can't get to that second page in the cached version but there was something around last December of him searching for a cheaper supplier than bulgalupum *AFTER* claiming that since getting scammed he was going to go through them as they're a known supplier

* This quote on "True, 4F-MPH can be quite anxiogenic. Hence, maybe IPH is the ideal phenidate. Still curious about 4F-EPH though." now remember when he said that he didn't actually receive it in the first place? Doesn't add up

* Before he deleted his account I was able to read back a good ways, looked like he'd been doing it steadily and inquiring about sources throughout this time

 

Based on previous experience with stimulant abusers and them owing people money, I have no doubt that Redan fully believes he's going to pay people back what he owes them. However, based on the same previous experience with stimulant abusers I'm not inclined to believe that it's actually going to happen - or, for that matter, let him anywhere near my stereo or easily-pawned possessions. He might be a good guy, that's entirely possible, but he's got a monkey on his back right now and unless he decides to start holding ethics as more important than his addiction then he's going to keep lying to himself and everyone else.

So yes, I think we were lied to and ripped off. The question is whether or not Redan here is going to pay people back. That he ripped people off seems to be pretty certain. But you know what? I don't care. You pay back the money, no harm no foul. You don't pay back the money, and I end up having to pay for my upcoming surgery's copay out of my savings? Then I'm angry, at that point this stops being just a stupid thing someone did and starts becoming emnity

 

 

Exactly, you don't know the reasons why he might do it, im 100% sure he knows in hes mind he is able to do it, but then due circumstances, blabla you get my jist.
 

Legalchem sells it by the way, rechem has other phenidates.

[AOLministrator]

This thread is gold! The tears in my eyes.

 

April 2016: Redan disguised as Cannibalistic Troll tries to convince Longecity members, that a research chemical 16 times more potent than crack cocaine, is actually a viable antidepressant

June 2016: Redan proposes a "small" group buy for a quantity per person, the equivalent of what is given to hardcore ADHD children over the course of 3 years

July 2016: Redan supposedly orders the drug

September 2016: Redan starts tweaking on no less than a lifetime supply of the MPH analog substance, probably enough to medicate someone with ADHD up to his 50s

October 2016: Longecity members uncover Redan's identity

October - December 2016: Redan employs BS spiral, promises to deliver group buy with money he doesn't even have

January 2017: after 4 month Redan used up his massive stash, admits being a tweaker addict, refuses to deliver group buy entirely

February 2017: Redan yadda yadda still owes people money

Edited by Aolministrator, 27 January 2017 - 02:35 PM.

[chemicalambrosia]

Redan wasn't "disguised" as Cannibalistic Troll, the name change was just a few days ago or so. He was redan when the thread started.

[AOLministrator]

Ok, I couldn't have known that. But it was pointed out that he (probably?) has multi-accounts here and elsewhere.

[medievil]

This thread is gold! The tears in my eyes.

 

April 2016: Redan disguised as Cannibalistic Troll tries to convince Longecity members, that a research chemical 16 times more potent than crack cocaine, is actually a viable antidepressant

June 2016: Redan proposes a "small" group buy for a quantity per person, the equivalent of what is given to hardcore ADHD children over the course of 3 years

July 2016: Redan supposedly orders the drug

September 2016: Redan starts tweaking on no less than a lifetime supply of the MPH analog substance, probably enough to medicate someone with ADHD up to his 50s

October 2016: Longecity members uncover Redan's identity

October - December 2016: Redan employs BS spiral, promises to deliver group buy with money he doesn't even have

January 2017: after 4 month Redan used up his massive stash, admits being a tweaker addict, refuses to deliver group buy entirely

February 2017: Redan yadda yadda still owes people money

 

That equivalent is completely nonsense, concerta one pill a day is way stronger then 4fmph used daily in low doses, 1 gram would last 2 weeks for me taken that way, but its pretty shitty, its less euphoric, more anxiogenic and boring for recreational use, definatly has therapeutic potential.

 

4 methyl methylphenidate is said to be like Ritalin, and isopropylphenidate is said to be a very functional hardly euphoric analogue.

 

Anyway anyone with a brain could have easily found a source for it online instead of paying for chemicals that everyone can buy in small or bulk ammounts themselves.

[AOLministrator]

Agreed. Chemicalstory is awesome, sells very clean stuff and as cheap as it gets for "just" 1-10g.

 

Regardless, the flurinated MPH analogues are said to be 3.33 times as strong, and to last 3.33 longer. There is zero research to back this up, just hundreds of user reports - most of which describe the comedown as "residual stimulation" up to XY hours later.

 

If you huff 50mg it lasts virtually the whole day, ignoring the urge to redose, that is feelings of coming down from it. That always happens after 2-5 hours. 50mg is a clear and potent recreational dose. Similar to 150mg Ritalin with a half-life of 12 hours. Anything in the 100mg range, you probably end up with a pulse of 200, like it is the case with no less than 300mg Ritalin. If you tweak on this shit, there never is a hint of the brutal/abrupt comedown that Ritalin clearly has. Its very much like coming off meth with a whole lot less cardiovascular, but more mental fuckups. Huffing 5g in 2-3 days absolutely fries your brain and fucks with all your organs and ICP. You won't come off that dose in less than a week. Sleeping is impossible without GHB or huge amounts of benzos in combination with some ethanol. Downing 4 Klonopin and 2 liters of beer on day five, you might get some shitty sleep for 6-8 hours. The euphoria is very strong and even stronger/easier with 4F-EPH imho. But its a bit bitchy and weird, different to the classic stimulants of abuse. In short, this shit is a more potent, meth-alike version of Ritalin.

 

Anxiety and dysphoria, yeah it can happen. Because its just that god damn strong overall. Some GHB easily cures that.

 

Most people take 5mg, 15mg at most for therapeutic effects. Taking more is not at all beneficial, like too much Ritalin wouldn't be. But because the half-life is so long, and you can't redose after 2-5 hours when the effect has already peaked, its not as managable. I guess that is where the anxiety sets in after a few hours. If you were to abuse it, you could just huff a little bit more and that would cure it. But I doubt you would sleep well that night, if at all.

Edited by Aolministrator, 28 January 2017 - 04:05 PM.

[FW900]

 

 

This is to my knowledge, the second time redan has failed to deliver and I'm not sure people got paid back last time. I'm concerned that he runs around doing this more often than I'm aware of. He should still be able to use the PM system to pay people back and was only suspended for 30 days (now another 60 for multiple accounts). He's done a few other things to warrant my suspicion and should really be doing things the right way to cover himself and protect the interests of his fellow LC users whose money he is taking. For all I know, he is running group buys continuously and on every forum out there and ripping everyone off or rotating schemes across many at this point. If Redan responded differently, this suspension may not have happened, but it could be that this is what he wanted. However, Redan/Cannable Troll will have a limit of around 5-8 pms that he can send each day iirc as he does not have a membership.

 

In fact, what I'll do is knock off the suspensions and leave the warning points so nothing is holding him back from repayment.

 

 

I received a message from him on Reddit about 11 days ago, saying that he is unable to post and he was adamant that he did deliver on his previous group buys and wanted me to point this out here. Normally I would not reply for someone else but he does seem to be telling the truth. Chemicalambrosia's post earlier in this very thread (linked below) confirms it. As he pointed out, it's obvious that there were some major hiccups but there is nothing to indicate any malice on Redan's part.

 

 

http://www.longecity...e-5#entry795269

 

Given that I was not a part of this group buy, I will refrain from making any additional posts or communicating for him via proxy. I'm just doing this as a courtesy in hopes that Redan/Yadayada will refund everyone and return to being just a poster here. If he does make good, perhaps have a tag like Medievil that says 'Irresponsible Drug Addict' and forever bar him from hosting/managing/coordinating group buys.

[Dakman]

You must be fucking thick............have you read this thread seriously?

 

Redan can't answer shit all that was put to him and can only obfuscate and trip himself up with nonsense bullshit excuses and childlike lies.

 

 

As for a "name of dishonour" badge......check out my profile under skills and experience, it has said DRUGGIE since I joined...............do you think anyone seeing Medievals badge really understand anything other than it being a phrase used in jest or irony?

[FW900]

You must be fucking thick............have you read this thread seriously?

 

Redan can't answer shit all that was put to him and can only obfuscate and trip himself up with nonsense bullshit excuses and childlike lies.

 

 

As for a "name of dishonour" badge......check out my profile under skills and experience, it has said DRUGGIE since I joined...............do you think anyone seeing Medievals badge really understand anything other than it being a phrase used in jest or irony?

 

 

Yes, I have read the thread and it was especially clear to me that 1) you weren't a participant in this group buy. 2) muddied it and raised a furor, posting 50+ posts that were very inflammatory in many instances with false claims. Let's wait and see what happens. If he does nothing in the coming weeks, I'll agree with you 100%. At this time it's premature to jump to conclusions and childish to throw ad hominems. Two people who had nothing to do with the group buy arguing back and forth will accomplish absolutely nothing.

 

Your assertions are built on the assumption that this is a scam which doesn't make much sense. Firstly, he takes very little precaution at hiding his real identity (i.e. no VPN and uses his real name), secondly, the amount in question owed is rather small ($150 total I gathered? Anyone correct me if I'm wrong), and thirdly, it's an analog to a Schedule II substance. This has the makings of the most retarded scam of all time, exposing him to not only liability but also legal risk for very little return, which is precisely why I don't think it is one. A drug addict, yes. A bullshitter, yes. A scammer? The coming weeks will tell.

[Dakman]

This thread is gold! The tears in my eyes.

April 2016: Redan disguised as Cannibalistic Troll tries to convince Longecity members, that a research chemical 16 times more potent than crack cocaine, is actually a viable antidepressant
June 2016: Redan proposes a "small" group buy for a quantity per person, the equivalent of what is given to hardcore ADHD children over the course of 3 years
July 2016: Redan supposedly orders the drug
September 2016: Redan starts tweaking on no less than a lifetime supply of the MPH analog substance, probably enough to medicate someone with ADHD up to his 50s
October 2016: Longecity members uncover Redan's identity
October - December 2016: Redan employs BS spiral, promises to deliver group buy with money he doesn't even have
January 2017: after 4 month Redan used up his massive stash, admits being a tweaker addict, refuses to deliver group buy entirely
February 2017: Redan yadda yadda still owes people money

*cough cough

[Acausal]

@FW900 - $180 owed to one individual, I assume similar amounts across the other members of the group buy, so definitely not $150 total sum, if that's what you meant. I'm definitely hoping to see participants paid back, but as far as expecting only high-quality scams from people with an addiction? A lack of skillfulness isn't necessarily an indicator of anything, unfortunately. I'm just glad I didn't go in for the PM conversation prior to this group buy where he tried to get me to give him around $500 for the same thing, split two ways. So yes, we'll see how this goes - clock is ticking - but remember, this was supposed to be over and done with back in October of last year. It's not like this most recent request for "just give me more time" is the first time.

 

@Redan/CT/etc - Ultimately, it's great that other botched group buys have gotten paid back in the past, I'm glad to hear it. Testimonials aren't the same as evidence of good faith, or repayment of funds, however. "Give me time" is hopelessly vague, not to mention dodging questions about the "check's in the mail" post from January. You've got money problems and don't have it all just sitting in the bank? Ok, that's understandable. Want to work out some sort of payment plan or something, figure out how to pay people back in installments? Sure thing, that's not fun but it's reasonable, I know I've been there before - it's hard to pay back total lump sums sometimes when you get yourself into a tight spot. Cut the defensive shit, though. I can't speak for the rest of the participants, but if I had to guess, I'd imagine that it goes like this: No one (likely) cares why this happened, they care about what you're going to do about it to fix it moving forward, in concrete and specific terms.

 

Fuck's sake, man, none of this is that hard. You screwed up (or you got screwed over by circumstances, whichever - don't care, it doesn't matter either way) and you have a dwindling window within which to start the process of fixing it. Until you've at least *started* this process, you lack almost any credibility - no matter how good or plentiful your character witnesses are. However, the nice thing is that once you've started resolving the situation, you regain credibility pretty quickly. This "what have you done for me lately" characteristic of owing people money works both ways, in that respect. 

 

[YOLF]

 

 

 

This is to my knowledge, the second time redan has failed to deliver and I'm not sure people got paid back last time. I'm concerned that he runs around doing this more often than I'm aware of. He should still be able to use the PM system to pay people back and was only suspended for 30 days (now another 60 for multiple accounts). He's done a few other things to warrant my suspicion and should really be doing things the right way to cover himself and protect the interests of his fellow LC users whose money he is taking. For all I know, he is running group buys continuously and on every forum out there and ripping everyone off or rotating schemes across many at this point. If Redan responded differently, this suspension may not have happened, but it could be that this is what he wanted. However, Redan/Cannable Troll will have a limit of around 5-8 pms that he can send each day iirc as he does not have a membership.

 

In fact, what I'll do is knock off the suspensions and leave the warning points so nothing is holding him back from repayment.

 

 

I received a message from him on Reddit about 11 days ago, saying that he is unable to post and he was adamant that he did deliver on his previous group buys and wanted me to point this out here. Normally I would not reply for someone else but he does seem to be telling the truth. Chemicalambrosia's post earlier in this very thread (linked below) confirms it. As he pointed out, it's obvious that there were some major hiccups but there is nothing to indicate any malice on Redan's part.

 

 

http://www.longecity...e-5#entry795269

 

Given that I was not a part of this group buy, I will refrain from making any additional posts or communicating for him via proxy. I'm just doing this as a courtesy in hopes that Redan/Yadayada will refund everyone and return to being just a poster here. If he does make good, perhaps have a tag like Medievil that says 'Irresponsible Drug Addict' and forever bar him from hosting/managing/coordinating group buys.

 

Looks like I missed something. He should have access now. He was knocked to negative 50 reputation/TY points for a failed group buy and I floated him back to 0 as a second chance. I'm very suspicious of him now.

[Acausal]

UPDATE: I have received the funds owed me in full, along with this message:

 

 

Please inform the group buy participants that I will be able to refund the next two participants around the end of this month. I also have no access to my account on LC. Sorry for the trouble and hope this drama comes to a happy ending.

I have to admit, I had gotten to the point of not expecting this outcome, but Redan did indeed follow through - nicely, just in time for my surgery copay. 

[Dakman]

Waiting for an update Redan.........

[Bukujutsu]

I have not followed this saga or read the entire thread, although I believe I may have been aware when Redan first experienced this, but my impression him has been of someone desperately searching for alleviation for a long time, mainly from severe anhedonic depression. If he found something that really worked for the first time in his life, I could see that leading to addiction, especially with this particular substance.

 

Not making excuses, I just don't think he's a scammer. He's probably tried and reported on more substances than at least 95% of people on this board, many newly produced, and brought to light valuable information.

[dopaminerush]

its not anti depressant effect,  its ''you are losing your mind''

 

its stimulan induced mania you are getting  :D   

 

 

and crash after wear off is helllll

[Dakman]

Peak a boo Redan 

[Reformed-Redan]

So, I'm just back from my ban to ask for participants of the group buy whom I owe money to, to send me their Paypal address via PM to me. 

 

That's all, thanks for the fun and take care folks.

 

Stay away from this substance. It's death in white form. 

[Bukujutsu]

Honestly, despite your trouble, your description makes me want to try it. Then again, being in this state does make me hold my health/safety in far lower regard. Although I am already abusing poppy seed tea to begin with, so it would only be a trade of vices. Doubt I'll be getting Nardil any time soon.

[Dakman]

Update please Redan.........have al members/victims of YOUR group buy been reimbursed yet or have you still fucked them over ?

[Sweet Potato]

4F-MPH is a great stimulant, but I wouldn't call it an anti-depressant. Stimulants are anti-depressing too, but...



Anyway, this guy seems like a sad person. I would be slightly sad if it happened to me, but more so sad for him. 

Edited by Sweet Potato, 14 April 2017 - 12:48 PM.