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#301 VP.

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 07:08 PM

Dog study results are now published. https://link.springe...1357-017-9972-z

To summarize, this initial study of rapamycin in healthy, middle-aged dogs showed that low-dose rapamycin treatment is safe over a period of 10 weeks and appears to recapitulate some of the same beneficial effects that have been described for mTOR inhibition in mice. The low number of dogs and multiple comparisons performed limit our statistical power, and the relatively short duration did not allow us to determine whether the rapamycin-treated dogs had increased lifespan and healthspan compared to placebo. The absence of significant side effects here is consistent with findings from studies on marmosets in captivity (Ross et al. 2015) as well as prior studies of rapamycin in laboratory dogs (Yi et al. 2014). Unlike these prior studies, however, the dogs in this study were living in their normal home environment, providing an important demonstration that rapamycin can be safely administered to companion dogs with the potential for significant health benefits. Based on these findings, we are planning additional randomized clinical trials involving larger cohorts of middle-aged dogs that will be studied over a longer period of time. This will allow us to perform more powerful analyses of rapamycin’s effects on heart function and behavior and help us determine whether there are differences in mortality, as well as the onset and prevalence of the various diseases that share aging as their common risk factor.

The relatively small number of dogs studied here prohibits us from reaching a definite conclusion regarding any behavioral effects of rapamycin. However, it is interesting to note that some changes in behavior that were considered to be positive by owners appeared to occur with greater frequency in the rapamycin-treated dogs. Seventy percent (7/10) of the owners whose dogs received the higher rapamycin dose reported that their dog displayed increased activity and energy, as did 40% (2/5) of those whose dogs received the lower dose, compared to 25% (2/8) of owners whose dogs received the placebo. While we make no claims as to whether this represents a real effect of rapamycin in these dogs, such an effect would reflect previous reports of increased activity in rapamycin-treated mice (Flynn et al. 2013; Miller et al. 2011) and would be consistent with anecdotal reports from owners who have independently begun treating their dogs with rapamycin (Cohen 2016).

 

It is interesting to note that the mean corpuscular volume was significantly diminished in rapamycin-treated dogs after 10 weeks when compared to that of placebo. Hematocrit did not change significantly between treatment and placebo (P = 0.803), which in combination with the observed decrease in the MCV may indicate longer red blood cell survival, as the MCV tends to decrease as the red blood cells age. A decrease in red blood cell size in response to treatment with rapamycin has previously been described in vitro (Edinger et al. 2003). It is also interesting to note that older humans have lowered red blood cell survival times, which are reflected in an MCV increase with age, and increased MCV has also been linked to decreased cognitive performance in older humans (Gamaldo et al. 2013). This may indicate an attenuation by rapamycin of an age-related change in red blood cell volume that is known to predict adverse outcomes in humans, and it provides additional justification for studying cognitive function in future studies of rapamycin in aging dogs.


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Posted 05 April 2017 - 05:54 PM

New Function Discovered For Compound That May Help Slow Aging (Rapamycin)

A study just published in Aging Cell outlines a new understanding of how this compound works.

“It’s possible this could provide a new therapeutic approach to neurologic disease,” said Viviana Perez, an assistant professor in the Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics in OSU’s College of Science, expert on the biological processes of aging and principal investigator in the Linus Pauling Institute.

Scientists have now identified two mechanisms of action of rapamycin. One was already known. The newly-discovered mechanism is what researchers say might help prevent neurologic damage and some related diseases.

“The value of rapamycin is clearly linked to the issue of cellular senescence, a stage cells reach where they get old, stop proliferating and begin to secrete damaging substances that lead to inflammation,” Perez said. “Rapamycin appears to help stop that process.”

Prior to this research, it had only been observed that there was one mechanism of action for rapamycin in this process. Scientists believed it helped to increase the action of Nrf2, a master regulator that can “turn on” up to 200 genes responsible for cell repair, detoxification of carcinogens, protein and lipid metabolism, antioxidant protection and other factors. In the process, it helped reduce levels of SASP.

The new study concluded that rapamycin could also affect levels of SASP directly, separately from the Nrf2 pathway and in a way that would have impacts on neurons as well as other types of cells.

“Any new approach to help protect neurons from damage could be valuable,” Perez said. “Other studies, for instance, have shown that astrocyte cells that help protect neuron function and health can be damaged by SASP. This may be one of the causes of some neurologic diseases, including Alzheimer’s disease.”

http://neurosciencen...-function-6344/

http://onlinelibrary...acel.12587/full

 


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Posted 05 April 2017 - 06:53 PM

New Function Discovered For Compound That May Help Slow Aging (Rapamycin)

A study just published in Aging Cell outlines a new understanding of how this compound works.

“It’s possible this could provide a new therapeutic approach to neurologic disease,” said Viviana Perez, an assistant professor in the Department of Biochemistry and Biophysics in OSU’s College of Science, expert on the biological processes of aging and principal investigator in the Linus Pauling Institute.

Scientists have now identified two mechanisms of action of rapamycin. One was already known. The newly-discovered mechanism is what researchers say might help prevent neurologic damage and some related diseases.

“The value of rapamycin is clearly linked to the issue of cellular senescence, a stage cells reach where they get old, stop proliferating and begin to secrete damaging substances that lead to inflammation,” Perez said. “Rapamycin appears to help stop that process.”

Prior to this research, it had only been observed that there was one mechanism of action for rapamycin in this process. Scientists believed it helped to increase the action of Nrf2, a master regulator that can “turn on” up to 200 genes responsible for cell repair, detoxification of carcinogens, protein and lipid metabolism, antioxidant protection and other factors. In the process, it helped reduce levels of SASP.

The new study concluded that rapamycin could also affect levels of SASP directly, separately from the Nrf2 pathway and in a way that would have impacts on neurons as well as other types of cells.

“Any new approach to help protect neurons from damage could be valuable,” Perez said. “Other studies, for instance, have shown that astrocyte cells that help protect neuron function and health can be damaged by SASP. This may be one of the causes of some neurologic diseases, including Alzheimer’s disease.”

http://neurosciencen...-function-6344/

http://onlinelibrary...acel.12587/full

 

This is really exciting. There have already been several studies - up to and including mice - that showed it helps greatly with Parkinson's. Thanks for the update, VP. Keep them coming!

 

Also, Dr Alan Green has just finished his web site here: https://rapamycintherapy.com/


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Posted 06 April 2017 - 12:53 AM

Koschei the immortal and anti-aging drugs

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 07:43 PM

Epigenetic aging signatures in mice livers are slowed by dwarfism, calorie restriction and rapamycin treatment

We first examined whether mice and humans experience similar patterns of change in the methylome with age. We found moderate conservation of CpG sites for which methylation is altered with age, with both species showing an increase in methylome disorder during aging. Based on this analysis, we formulated an epigenetic-aging model in mice using the liver methylomes of 107 mice from 0.2 to 26.0 months old. To examine whether epigenetic aging signatures are slowed by longevity-promoting interventions, we analyzed 28 additional methylomes from mice subjected to lifespan-extending conditions, including Prop1df/dfdwarfism, calorie restriction or dietary rapamycin. We found that mice treated with these lifespan-extending interventions were significantly younger in epigenetic age than their untreated, wild-type age-matched controls.

https://genomebiolog...3059-017-1186-2

 

Tick tock, stay ahead of the aging clock

Aging in humans (and animals) can be seen as either an inevitable process of wear and tear or as an inherent biological program by which the lifespan of each species is more or less predetermined. Recent research has shown that DNA methylation, an epigenetic modification which alters how DNA is read and expressed without altering the underlying sequence, can show age-related changes.  A sub-set of these modifications are so accurate that chronological age in humans can be predicted +/- 3.6 years from any tissue or fluid in the body. This is by far the best biomarker of age available and is referred to as the epigenetic clock.   Interestingly, analysis of DNA methylation can also provide information on biological age, which is a measure of how well your body functions compared to your chronological age. For instance, people suffering from fatty liver disease have a faster ticking clock, while centenarians have a slower clock.

https://www.scienced...70412124358.htm

 

Is there anyway to test your own genes using 82 Illumina DNA methylation array?  Would be nice to see if Rapamycin and other interventions are working.

https://labs.genetic...orvath/dnamage/

 

 


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 07:07 AM

Here's a video about how too much mTOR activity can lead to cancer and how CR or Rapamycin may block it. Also, don't drink milk!

 


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 07:33 AM

Here's a video about how too much mTOR activity can lead to cancer and how CR or Rapamycin may block it. Also, don't drink milk!

 

 

Why shouldn't you drink milk?



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 06:06 PM

 

Here's a video about how too much mTOR activity can lead to cancer and how CR or Rapamycin may block it. Also, don't drink milk!

 

 

Why shouldn't you drink milk?

 

 

You are true to your name  :)

It is obvious : dairy/milk proteins contain growth factors which induce elevated mTOR signaling which is pro-inflammatory and inflammation is a major component of cancer etiology.



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 06:18 PM

 

 

 

 

You are true to your name   :)

It is obvious : dairy/milk proteins contain growth factors which induce elevated mTOR signaling which is pro-inflammatory and inflammation is a major component of cancer etiology.

 

 

Well someone has to ask the obvious stuff. :)

What research evidence is there that milk proteins are absorbed intact and have measurable biological effects in humans in amounts found in regular milk consumption?

AFAIK most proteins are denaturated by the digestive tract. It's one of the reasons HGH needs to be injected.


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 07:31 PM

Would highly recommend reading Dr. Alan Green's (semi-retired pathologist) website dealing with the anti aging formula of   Mikhail Blagosklonny , Phd., the foremost authority on rapamycin treatment for old age.   I have an appointment for May 11th.  Will report back then.  Dr. Green is the only person, I know of who has documented his long term (14 months) experimentation of taking the rapa formula. (rapa+metformin+aspirin+Angiotensin II inhibitors)  and posting his lab work.

 

https://rapamycintherapy.com/


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Posted 19 April 2017 - 10:12 PM

....

 

Is there anyway to test your own genes using 82 Illumina DNA methylation array?  Would be nice to see if Rapamycin and other interventions are working.

https://labs.genetic...orvath/dnamage/

 

There is a way to test.  Mind posted a link to a lab that will perform DNA methylation analysis:  Osiris Green

For $65, not too expensive.  It would behoove us to get before and after measurements.  For those who've jumped the gun, I expect there would be continued improvement with ongoing use, as no one has been using Rapamycin all that long.

 

PS there is a 20 dollar discount if you enter the code "longecity" at checkout


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You are true to your name :)
It is obvious : dairy/milk proteins contain growth factors which induce elevated mTOR signaling which is pro-inflammatory and inflammation is a major component of cancer etiology.


Well someone has to ask the obvious stuff. :)

What research evidence is there that milk proteins are absorbed intact and have measurable biological effects in humans in amounts found in regular milk consumption?

AFAIK most proteins are denaturated by the digestive tract. It's one of the reasons HGH needs to be injected.

http://www.medscape....warticle/777311

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 04:17 AM

No more cheese :(



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 05:01 PM

Rapa is metabolised by CYP 3A4.

 

 

Oral intake of curcumin markedly activated CYP 3A4: in vivo and ex-vivo studies

Curcumin, a specific secondary metabolite of Curcuma species, has potentials for a variety of beneficial health effects. It is nowadays used as a dietary supplement. Everolimus (EVL) is an immunosuppressant indicated for allograft rejection and cancer therapy, but with narrow therapeutic window. EVL is a substrate of P-glycoprotein (P-gp) and cytochrome P450 3A4 (CYP3A4). This study investigated the effect of coadministration of curcumin on the pharmacokinetics of EVL in rats and the underlying mechanisms. EVL (0.5 mg/kg) was orally administered without and with 50 and 100 mg/kg of curcumin, respectively, in rats. Blood samples were collected at specific time points and EVL concentrations in blood were determined by QMS® immunoassay. The underlying mechanisms were evaluated using cell model and recombinant CYP 3A4 isozyme. The results indicated that 50 and 100 mg/kg of curcumin significantly decreased the AUC0-540 of EVL by 70.6% and 71.5%, respectively, and both dosages reduced the Cmax of EVL by 76.7%. Mechanism studies revealed that CYP3A4 was markedly activated by curcumin metabolites, which apparently overrode the inhibition effects of curcumin on P-gp. In conclusion, oral intake of curcumin significantly decreased the bioavailability of EVL, a probe substrate of P-gp/CYP 3A4, mainly through marked activation on CYP 3A4.

 

 


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 06:47 PM

 

Rapa is metabolised by CYP 3A4.

 

 

Oral intake of curcumin markedly activated CYP 3A4: in vivo and ex-vivo studies

Curcumin, a specific secondary metabolite of Curcuma species, has potentials for a variety of beneficial health effects. It is nowadays used as a dietary supplement. Everolimus (EVL) is an immunosuppressant indicated for allograft rejection and cancer therapy, but with narrow therapeutic window. EVL is a substrate of P-glycoprotein (P-gp) and cytochrome P450 3A4 (CYP3A4). This study investigated the effect of coadministration of curcumin on the pharmacokinetics of EVL in rats and the underlying mechanisms. EVL (0.5 mg/kg) was orally administered without and with 50 and 100 mg/kg of curcumin, respectively, in rats. Blood samples were collected at specific time points and EVL concentrations in blood were determined by QMS® immunoassay. The underlying mechanisms were evaluated using cell model and recombinant CYP 3A4 isozyme. The results indicated that 50 and 100 mg/kg of curcumin significantly decreased the AUC0-540 of EVL by 70.6% and 71.5%, respectively, and both dosages reduced the Cmax of EVL by 76.7%. Mechanism studies revealed that CYP3A4 was markedly activated by curcumin metabolites, which apparently overrode the inhibition effects of curcumin on P-gp. In conclusion, oral intake of curcumin significantly decreased the bioavailability of EVL, a probe substrate of P-gp/CYP 3A4, mainly through marked activation on CYP 3A4.

 

 

 

Maybe everyone already knows this, but curcumin and cumin are totally different. Curcumin is a component of turmeric, and cumin comes from a seed of a different plant. They are both great antioxidants, etc but they have completely different chemical components. So, if you're like me and love cumin, don't freak. But if you are into turmeric or curcumin suppliments, this news might bum you out. To save you time looking for yourself:

http://www.differenc...in-and-cumin-2/



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Posted 24 April 2017 - 02:19 AM

I just stumbled across this year-old study on the safety of rapamycin in marmosets. It's new to me, but they've evidently been working on a follow-on study for about a year. To sum it up:
 

... first to examine the metabolic consequences of rapamycin dosing in healthy, non-human primates. In addition to metabolic function, the researchers found that the encapsulated rapamycin was well tolerated by the marmosets.

"This initial study with marmosets as a model for human aging has allowed us to evaluate the efficacy of a new intervention treatment that looked promising in other animal model species for both healthspan and lifespan extension," said Dr. Corinna Ross, lead author of the study and Assistant Professor Biology, Texas A&M University San Antonio.

"The results are encouraging," said Dr. Suzette Tardif, Associate Director of SNPRC and co-investigator on the study. "Marmosets also offer a unique non-human primate model that will allow us to further evaluate not just the safety but the effectiveness of treatment with rapamycin."

Due to results from this study, a grant for $2.7 million was awarded to the Barshop Institute and SNPRC by the National Institute on Aging to fund a new study to determine the effects of rapamycin lifespan and markers of healthy aging for a cohort of marmosets that have already reached middle age.

 

https://www.scienced...60209105352.htm

 
I'll post more after I've looked into it. Does anyone have any info on the follow-on study? Marmosets have a typical lifespan of 12 years, so since they started with a "middle aged" cohort, we might still have another 4-5 years to wait. Unless, of course, R works really well!  :-D

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 01:11 AM

Parkinsons symptoms reversed Jaris.

 

 

https://www.fightagi...-a-mouse-model/

 

 



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Posted 03 May 2017 - 03:57 PM

Hi Guys,

It took me ages but finally I was able to buy Rapamycin without a prescription. Until May 5th TLR had it in stock and is offering Longecity board members 10%off instead I chose to get free Metformin delivered in The same package. I wanted to know whether it really helps to take it with Aspirin as per Dr Green who apparently also adds another supplement too. Thanks for your advice.

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Was TLR our lowest price? I can't recall at the moment. Maybe we could do a thread on rapamycin resellers who don't require a prescription?
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Posted 03 May 2017 - 06:14 PM

Anyone taking rapamycin for ageing should read Dr. Greens website. It is a very good and informative site.

rapamycintherapy.com

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Posted 03 May 2017 - 07:37 PM

Was TLR our lowest price? I can't recall at the moment. Maybe we could do a thread on rapamycin resellers who don't require a prescription?

 

That belongs in the retailer-product discussion sub-forum, under supplements. Please fee free to start such a thread. 



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Hi Guys,

It took me ages but finally I was able to buy Rapamycin without a prescription. Until May 5th TLR had it in stock and is offering Longecity board members 10%off instead I chose to get free Metformin delivered in The same package. I wanted to know whether it really helps to take it with Aspirin as per Dr Green who apparently also adds another supplement too. Thanks for your advice.

DareDevil

 

How much did you pay TLR (TrueLife Research) per mg for rapa?  Did it come in blister pacs, and who was the manufacture.  What did shipping cost you?  How long did it take you to get the rapa and metformin from TLR.  Did they take credit or debit cards?  What form of payment worked?

 

DareDevil this would really help this forum because TLR pricing was much better than other vendors.  I ordered my rapa and metformin from India and it took me 4-5 weeks to get it.

 

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 08:00 AM

Hi Pampaguy,

 

I got a tracking number and should receive my package shortly, thus I can't comment on product presentation. I waited for them to have inventory and they now have stock, which means that new orders should be shipped quickly. Their price is super reasonable making it a no brainer for me, especially as I couldn't get it without a prescription anywhere. 500mg cost me $190 = 38cents/mg and they threw in 25 grams of Metformin for free, it can't be beat. For this product, I am not aware of an equivalent competitive offering anywhere.

 

For Longecity members TLR will discount orders of existing stock of Rapamycin + Metformin by an extra 10% for a limited time through Friday May 5th. After placing an order at the normal price, you email them to obtain an adjusted (lowered) invoice. I paid them with PayPal, it worked seamlessly. They immediately confirmed receipt and handled my order asap. My experience with Team TLR has been positive. I was very happy with the Dasatinib and Quercetin they shipped me, I think they try to keep prices low and be customer friendly. My dealings with them has been rewarding in terms of product quality and pricing. 

 

I look forward to starting a long term regimen with R + M to which I want to know how useful it is to add Candesartan, a blood pressure drug. My heart, blood pressure and vascular system are in excellent shape. Does Dr Green use Candesartan to remedy specific health ailments, or is their some form of synergy when combined with Rapamycin? He refers to Angiotensin II disruption as being positive for anti-aging, however it is unclear if this is necessary to take in combination with Rapamycin, or is simply a separate and unrelated health supplement? Unless the utility of Candesartan combined with Rapamycin and Metformin is confirmed, I will stick to the following protocol:

 

- Rapamycin 10mg/week (avoiding grapefruit juice)

- Metformin 100mg/day (+ B12 supplementation)

- Isotretinoin (acne medication: dosage?) https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC4745772/

- Aspirin https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/26466642

 

I will report back any findings from experimentation during the forthcoming weeks. I want to thank everyone here for making it clear how dosing must be done irregularly, every week to 10 days, instead of daily in order to reap the full benefits of low-dose Rapamycin. Also, thanks for the super useful information about associated substances that can amplify the anti-aging effects of Rapamycin.

 

Cheers,

 

DareDevil


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Posted 04 May 2017 - 01:57 PM

DareDevil,

 

Thanks for the very thorough reply to my question.  TLR is by far the best price and being able to use PayPal is an added bonus.  The cheapest I bought was $1.75 mg.  My rapa was made by BiCon which is the largest Pharma company in India.  Packaged in blister packs of 10 pills.  Can hardly wait for you to get your shipment to see exactly what your got.

 

Concerning your venture to self-experiment on yourself.  I would suggest you go back and read Dr. Green's website, and all your questions would be answered.  I believe that 10 mg once weekly is too high because when it comes time for your second dose there is still too much rapa in your system. (blood levels would continue to build up dose after dose)  Also, you do not want to inhibit Tor 1 too much, we need it to live.  In the elderly trial by Novartis, the doses were 1/2 mg daily, 5 mg weekly, 20 mg weekly.  The 5 mg dose inhibited Tor 1 by over 50%, and the 20 mg dose almost complete inhibition.  10 mg would probably inhibit by about 75-80%, 6 mg weekly (recommended by Dr. Green) would inhibit over 60%, but would be out of your system by the next dose.  It does not have any chance of building up in your system and causing side effects.  He has taken this dose for almost 18 months without side effects.

 

You need to take at least 500 mg Metformin to have any effect, 100 mg will do nothing.  Metformin controls blood glucose and also inhibits Tor 1.  Mice lived longer taking both, versus individually. 

 

Candesartan, also blocks another pathway, not just for treating blood pressure. (Rapa can also increase Blood Pressure, so keep an eye on it.)   Read Dr. Green's complete explanation.

 

A statin is also part of the ageing formula.  Rapa has a tendency to raise lipid levels and triglycerides.  

 

The ageing formula is from Mikhail Blagosklonny, Phd at Rochester, NY cancer center.  He is considered the most knowledgeable scientist on delaying ageing in the world.  Published many papers and clinical trials.

 

I personally follow the complete formula, not just parts of it.

 

Good luck on your new experiment, and if your have any questions don't hesitate to ask.  I will be seeing Dr. Green on May 11th. and will report back.  Will ask him about taking hypertension medication for people without hypertension.

 

I'm 70 years old, and really feel the effects of ageing.

 

Kerry


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Posted 09 May 2017 - 08:29 AM

TLR appears to be a terrific deal, assuming it's high quality rampamycin. Anyone tried or tested it yet?

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 12:51 PM

Hi Kerry,

 

Thanks for the recommendations. If I get you right, that's 500mg/day of Metformin without interruption during the entire time one is taking Rapamycin weekly at 6mg? That's what I've understood, and will adjust my protocol accordingly. I will be taking a cholesterol lowering statin at the same time but don't know at what dosage yet. Any recommendations are welcome.

 

 

Hi Tintinet,

 

I should be getting it in a few days and will report back.

 

 

DareDevil



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Posted 09 May 2017 - 01:35 PM

DareDevil,

 

Yes, Metformin daily.  Been around for 50 years with very low incidence of side effects.  Would recommend slow release.  Almost same price.  Very cheap.  Costco sell it for $.07 per tab with Rx.  I bought mine in India for $.22 for 1000 mg SR.  I take 1000 SR daily.  Helps kill appetite.  TLR should have Metformin SR and Candesartan at a very low price.  Candesartan is also cheap.  Don't know about dosage of Candesartan and statin because you haven't posted your age and your labs. (lipid profiles and blood pressure)  Will see Dr. Green on Thursday and will know more then.  Really need labs from Dr. or go online and you can get it there.

 

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 05:24 PM

TLR appears to be a terrific deal, assuming it's high quality rampamycin. Anyone tried or tested it yet?

 

I'm also interested in the quality of TLR's rapamycin. I got mine from modadropship for $3 per 1 mg, which was a very good price at the time, so this price seems too good to be true.

 

The packages of pills I got look like this (although this is not a pic of mine). Notice the mfg is BioCon. Check the expiry date also.

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Posted 09 May 2017 - 05:46 PM

 

TLR appears to be a terrific deal, assuming it's high quality rampamycin. Anyone tried or tested it yet?

 

I'm also interested in the quality of TLR's rapamycin. I got mine from modadropship for $3 per 1 mg, which was a very good price at the time, so this price seems too good to be true.

 

The packages of pills I got look like this (although this is not a pic of mine). Notice the mfg is BioCon. Check the expiry date also.

 

Here is my Rapa from India.  Mauf by Swiss drug company, but distributed by Biocon.  Exp. date is good.

Hoping TLR is as good.

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Posted 11 May 2017 - 10:59 AM

The product received from TLR is in powder form. As can be understood, it was probably sourced from the substance suppliers who may also sell to this product pill manufacturers, hence the much lower cost which is similar to the purchase costs of pharmaceutical companies?

 

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