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Posted 25 September 2016 - 04:19 PM


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Each step in the ladder or pathway has potential to be exploited.  The confines of this post are too brief to expound on every step.  The Nogo-A is one example, which normally functions to inhibit axon growth:

 

Polyphenols from green tea prevent antineuritogenic action of Nogo-A via 67-kDa laminin receptor and hydrogen peroxide.
Gundimeda U1, McNeill TH, Barseghian BA, Tzeng WS, Rayudu DV, Cadenas E, Gopalakrishna R. (2015)

Axonal regeneration after injury to the CNS is hampered by myelin-derived inhibitors, such as Nogo-A. Natural products, such as green tea, which are neuroprotective and safe for long-term therapy, would complement ongoing various pharmacological approaches. In this study, using nerve growth factor-differentiated neuronal-like Neuroscreen-1 cells, we show that extremely low concentrations of unfractionated green tea polyphenol mixture (GTPP) and its active ingredient, epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG), prevent both the neurite outgrowth-inhibiting activity and growth cone-collapsing activity of Nogo-66 (C-terminal domain of Nogo-A). Furthermore, a synergistic interaction was observed among GTPP constituents. This preventive effect was dependent on 67-kDa laminin receptor (67LR) to which EGCG binds with high affinity. The antioxidants N-acetylcysteine and cell-permeable catalase abolished this preventive effect of GTPP and EGCG, suggesting the involvement of sublethal levels of H2 O2 in this process. Accordingly, exogenous sublethal concentrations of H2 O2 , added as a bolus dose (5 μM) or more effectively through a steady-state generation (1-2 μM), mimicked GTPP in counteracting the action of Nogo-66. Exogenous H2 O2 mediated this action by bypassing the requirement of 67LR. Taken together, these results show for the first time that GTPP and EGCG, acting through 67LR and elevating intracellular sublethal levels of H2 O2 , inhibit the antineuritogenic action of Nogo-A. Currently, several agents are being evaluated for overcoming axonal growth inhibitors to promote functional recovery after stroke and spinal cord injury. Epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG), present in green tea polyphenol mixture (GTPP), prevents antineuritogenic activity of Nogo-A, a myelin-derived axonal growth inhibitor. The preventive action of EGCG involves the cell-surface-associated 67-kDa laminin receptor and H2 O2 . GTPP may complement ongoing efforts to treat neuronal injuries.

Panax notoginseng saponins promotes stroke recovery by influencing expression of Nogo-A, NgR and p75NGF, in vitro and in vivo.
Liu L, Zhu L, Zou Y, Liu W, Zhang X, Wei X, Hu B, Chen J. (2014)

The spontaneous recovery of function after injury in the adult central nervous system is limited due to the several proteins, such as Nogo-A that have repulsive or inhibitory effects on growing neuritis. The Chinese herbal medicine extraction Panax notoginseng saponins (PNS) injection has been widely used and effective in repairing the function of impaired nerves, but the mechanism of this herbal medicine is still poorly understood. This project evaluated the effect of Panax notoginseng saponins on neurological functional recovery and on the expression of Nogo-A, NgR and p75 at 7, 14 and 28 d after middle cerebral artery occlusion (MCAO) in rats and also oxygen-glucose deprivation/reperfusion (OGD/R) model on SH-SY5Y cells. We found that the expression of Nogo-A, NgR and p75 of rats receiving MCAO surgery increased on the 7th day, reached a peak on the 14th or 28th day and maintained high levels and Panax notoginseng saponins significantly decreased these expressions. This may be the mechanism of Panax notoginseng saponins that contributes to the recovery of nerve function, which plays an important role in brain protection after cerebral infarction.

Effects of ephedrine on expression of Nogo-A and synaptophysin in neonatal rats following hypoxic-ischemic brain damage
Siyuan Chen, Nong Xiao, Xiaoping Zhang (2010)

BACKGROUND: Central nervous system axons regenerate poorly following neonatal hypoxic-ischemic brain damage (HIBD), partly due to inhibitors, such as Nogo-A. Very few studies have addressed the regulation of Nogo-A in neonatal rats following HIBD. However, numerous studies have shown that ephedrine accelerates neuronal remodeling and promotes recovery of neural function in neonatal rats following HIBD.

OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effects of ephedrine on expression of Nogo-A and synaptophysin in brain tissues of neonatal rats following HIBD.

DESIGN, TIME AND SETTING: A completely randomized, controlled study was performed at the Immunohistochemistry Laboratory of the Research Institute of Pediatrics, Children's Hospital of Chongqing Medical University from August 2008 to March 2009.

MATERIALS: Ephedrine hydrochloride (Chifeng Pharmaceutical Group, China), rabbit anti-Nogo-A polyclonal antibody (Abcam, UK), and rabbit anti-synaptophysin polyclonal antibody (Lab Vision, USA) were used in this study.

METHODS: A total of 96 healthy, neonatal, Sprague Dawley rats were randomly assigned to three groups (n = 32): sham operation, HIBD, and ephedrine. The HIBD model was established by permanent occlusion of the left common carotid artery, followed by 2 hours of hypoxia (8% oxygen and 92% nitrogen). In the sham operation group, the left common carotid artery was exposed, but was not ligated or subjected to hypoxia. Rats in the ephedrine group were intraperitoneally injected with ephedrine immediately following HIBD, with 1.5 mg/kg each time. Rats in the sham operation and HIBD groups were injected with an equal volume of saline. All neonatal rats were treated once daily for 7 days.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Histopathological damage to the cortex and hippocampus was determined by hematoxylin-eosin staining. Expression of Nogo-A and synaptophysin was detected using immunohistochemical staining.

RESULTS: Neuronal degeneration and edema were observed in the hypoxic-ischemic cortex and hippocampus by hematoxylin-eosin staining. Compared with the sham operation group, the levels of Nogo-A significantly increased in the HIBD group at various time points (P < 0.01). Nogo-A expression was significantly reduced in the ephedrine group compared with the HIBD group (P < 0.01). Synaptophysin expression was significantly decreased in the hypoxic-ischemic cortex, compared with the sham operation group (P < 0.01). Synaptophysin levels were significantly increased in the ephedrine group, compared with the HIBD group (P < 0.01).

CONCLUSION: Altered Nogo-A expression was associated with inversely altered synaptophysin expression. The use of ephedrine normalized expression levels of Nogo-A and synaptophysin following HIBD.

Effects of curcumin on hippocampal expression of NgR and axonal regeneration in Aβ-induced cognitive disorder rats.
Yin HL1, Wang YL2, Li JF1, Han B1, Zhang XX1, Wang YT1, Geng S1. (2014)

Curcumin has been widely used for the prevention and treatment of Alzheimer's disease (AD), but its mechanism is still not clear. Inhibitory factors of axonal regeneration have been shown to cause a series of pathophysiological changes in the early period of AD. In this study, the co-receptor (Nogo receptor; NgR) of three axonal growth-inhibitory proteins was examined, and effects of curcumin on spatial learning and memory abilities and hippocampal axonal growth were investigated in amyloid β-protein (Aβ)1-40-induced AD rats. Results showed that the expression of NgR in the AD group significantly increased and the number of axonal protein-positive fibers significantly reduced. The spatial learning and memory abilities of AD rats were significantly improved in the curcumin group. Furthermore, hippocampal expressions of NgR mRNA and protein decreased, and the expression of axonal protein significantly increased. There was a negative correlation between the expression of NgR and axonal growth. Together, these results suggested that curcumin could improve the spatial learning and memory abilities of AD rats. The mechanism might be related with its lowering of hippocampal NgR expression and promoting axonal regeneration.

 




Ginseng gets brownie points for having more supporting evidence:
 

 The Study on Regenerative Effects of Ginseng on Injured Axonal and Non-Neuronal cell 
Lim, Chang-Bum (2014)

Objective: This study was carried out to understand effects of ginseng(hearinafter ; GS, Panax Ginseng) extract on regeneration responses on injured sciatic nerves in rats.
Methods: Using white mouse, we damaged sciatic nerve & central nerve, and then applied GS to the lesion. Then we observed regeneration of axon and non-neuron.
Results: 1. NF-200 protein immunostaining for the visualization of axons showed more distal elongation of sciatic nerve axons in GS-treated group than saline-treated control 3 and 7 days after crush injury. 2. GAP-43 protein was increased in the injured sciatic nerve and further increased by GS treatment. Enhanced GAP-43 protein signals were also observed in DRG prepared from the rats given nerve injury and GS treatment. 3. GS treatment in vivo induced enhanced neurite outgrowth in preconditioned DRG sensory neurons. In vitro treatment of GS on sensory neurons from intact DRG also caused increased neurite outgrowth. 4. Phospho-Erk1/2 protein levels were higher in the injured nerve treated with GS than saline. Phospho-Erk1/2 protein signals were mostly found in the axons in the injured nerve. 5. NGF and Cdc2 protein levels showed slight increases in the injured nerves of GS-treated group compared to saline-treated group. 6. The number of Schwann cell population was significantly increased by GS treatment in the injured sciatic nerve. GS treatment with cultured Schwann cells increased proliferation and Cdc2 protein signals. 7. GS pretreatment into the injured spinal cord generated increased astrocyte proliferation and oligodendrocytes in culture. In vitro treatment of GS resulted in more differentiated pericytoplasmic processes compared with saline treatment. 8. More arborization around the injury cavity and the occurrence at the caudal region of CST axons were observed in GS-treated group than in saline-treated group.
Conclusion: GS extract may have the growth-promoting activity on regenerating axons in both peripheral and central nervous systems.


 Axonal and dendritic extension by protopanaxadiol-type saponins from ginseng drugs in SK-N-SH cells. 
Tohda C1, Matsumoto N, Zou K, Meselhy MR, Komatsu K. (2002)

Extension of axons and dendrites in neurons may compensate for and repair damaged neuronal networks in the dementia brain. To find out drugs capable of regenerating the neuronal network, we focused on several herbal drugs belonging to the genus Panax, kinds of Ginseng, and investigated neurite outgrowth activity of their extracts and compounds. We found that the methanol extracts of Ginseng (root of P. ginseng), Notoginseng (root of P. notoginseng) and Ye-Sanchi in Chinese (rhizome of a relative to P. vietnamensis) increased neurite outgrowth in SK-N-SH cells. The protopanaxadiol-type saponins, ginsenosides Rb(1) and Rb(3), and notoginsenosides R(4) and Fa isolated from Ye-Sanchi extract extended neurites, while protopanaxatriol-, ocotillol- and oleanane-type saponins had no effect on the neurite outgrowth. The percentage of cells with multipolar neurites and number of varicosities were intensely high in cells treated with the methanol extract of Ye-Sanchi as well as ginsenosides Rb(1) and Rb(3), and notoginsenosides R(4) and Fa. Both phosphorylated NF-H-expressing neurites and MAP2-expressing ones were extended by treatment with those saponins and the extract. Especially, longer neurites were mainly positive for phosphorylated NF-H. These results suggest that protopanaxadiol-type saponins enhance axonal and dendritic formation activity.

 Pa nax notoginseng saponins improve recovery after spinal cord transection by upregulating neurotrophic factors 
Bo Wang, Yu Li,* Xuan-peng Li, and Yang Li (2015)

Saponins extracted from Panax notoginseng are neuroprotective, but the mechanisms underlying this effect remain unclear. In the present study, we established a rat model of thoracic (T10) spinal cord transection, and injected Panax notoginseng saponins (100 mg/kg) or saline 30 minutes after injury. Locomotor functions were assessed using the Basso, Beattie, and Bresnahan (BBB) scale from 1 to 30 days after injury, and immunohistochemistry was carried out in the ventral horn of the spinal cord at 1 and 7 days to determine expression of nerve growth factor (NGF) and brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF). Our results show that at 7–30 days post injury, the BBB score was higher in rats treated with Panax notoginseng saponins than in those that received saline. Furthermore, at 7 days, more NGF- and BDNF-immunoreactive neurons were observed in the ventral horn of the spinal cord of rats that had received Panax notoginseng saponins than in those that received saline. These results indicate that Panax notoginseng saponins caused an upregulation of NGF and BDNF in rats with spinal cord transection, and improved hindlimb motor function.


You might say the last one is cheap, that things that upregulate NGF and BDNF are a dime a dozon.  Yes but ginseng also makes the list for GDNF, making it one of the very few natural compounds that stimulates all three common neurotrophins.  Additionally, there is a lot of overlap between neurotrophin boosters and axon regeneration.  GDNF boosters include catalpol, harpagoside, gastrodin, bilobalide, ginsenosides, naringin, royal jelly, and surprisingly ibogaine.  Baicalin and conophylline promote β-cell differentiation through NeuroD1.  Possibly helpful.

More studies:
 

The effects of Ginkgo biloba extract (GBe) on axonal transport microvasculature and morphology of sciatic nerve in streptozotocin-induced diabetic rats
Jinman Kim, Kazuhito Yokoyama, and Shunichi Araki (2000)

To evaluate the protective effects ofGinkgo biloba extract (GBe) which has antioxidant activity against peripheral neuropathy due to diabetes mellitus, slow axonal transport and morphology of sciatic nerve including endoneurial microvessels were examined in 12 rats with diabetes mellitus induced by streptozotocin (STZ, 60mg/kg, b.w., i.p.). Six of the diabetic rats were treated with 0.1 % of GBe for 6 weeks from one week after the STZ injection. Serum glucose and lipid peroxide levels in GBe-treated diabetic rats were significantly lower than those in untreated diabetic rats (p<0.01, respectively), though the serum glucose level was higher than that in the control rats. L-[35S] methionine pulse radiolabeling with subsequent gel fluorography demonstrated that mean velocities (Vmean) of actin and β-tubulin, i.e. slow component b (SCb) transport in untreated diabetic rats were significantly lower than those in control rats (p<0.05, respectively); mean diameter of axons in the former rats was significantly smaller than that in the latter (p<0.01). Vmean of actin transport in GBe-treated diabetic rats was significantly faster than that in untreated diabetic rats (p<0.05). Vmean of slow axonal transport was significantly correlated with mean diameter of axons in the three groups of rats combined (p<0.01). On electron microscopy, severe altered endoneurial microvessels decreasing in luminal area together with endothelial cell degeneration or hypertrophy, pericyte debris and basement membrane thickening were observed in untreated diabetic rats; on the other hand these findings were less prominent in the diabetic rats treated with GBe. It is suggested that GBe treatment may protect disturbed slow axonal transport and pathological alterations of peripheral nerve with abnormal endoneurial microvasculature from diabetes mellitus by antioxidant activity.

Semaphorins in axon regeneration: developmental guidance molecules gone wrong?
R. Jeroen Pasterkamp, and Joost Verhaagen (2006)

The biological role of vertebrate MICALs is currently unknown. Expression analysis and yeast interaction experiments hint at a role downstream of Sema3s and their receptors, plexinAs (Terman et al. 2002; Pasterkamp et al. 2005). This idea gains further support from the observation that certain green tea polyphenols with the ability to block flavoprotein monooxygenases, (−)-epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) and (−)-epicatechin (EC) (Abe et al. 2000a,b), abrogate Sema3A- and Sema3F-mediated repulsion of rat sensory axons in vitro (Terman et al. 2002; Pasterkamp et al. 2005).

The Flavonoid Isoquercitrin Promotes Neurite Elongation by Reducing RhoA Activity
Gemma Palazzolo, Peter Horvath, Marcy Zenobi-Wong, and *Alexander G. Obukhov, Editor (2012)

Neurite formation and synaptic patterning are fundamental to the development of a functional nervous system. Flavonoids are natural molecules known for having beneficial effects on brain health through diverse molecular pathways. Cytoskeletal changes occurring during neuritogenesis and synapse formation often involve Rho GTPases. Here we hypothesized that the flavonoid isoquercitrin promotes neuronal differentiation through Rho signalling.

Enhancement of mouse sciatic nerve regeneration by the long chain fatty alcohol, N-Hexacosanol.
Azzouz M1, Kenel PF, Warter J-M, Poindron P, Borg J. (1996)

The purpose of the present study was to determine the effects of n-hexacosanol (hexa) on nerve regeneration. Hexa, a long chain fatty alcohol has been shown to possess neurotrophic properties on cultured neurons and to attenuate the degeneration of cholinergic neurons after injury. The effects of daily intraperitoneal injections of hexa (1 mg/kg) on regeneration of nerve fibers were studied in mice following a sciatic nerve crush. Measurement of axonal regeneration using the pinch test 7 days postlesion showed a 40% increase of the regeneration rate of sensory fibers in hexa-treated mice compared to controls (1.67 +/- 0.15 mm/day and 1.09 +/- 0.03 mm/day, respectively). The recovery of neuromuscular function was significantly improved, as shown by quantitative electromyography and and sensorimotor tests. Clinical signs of recovery evaluation with toe spreading reflex appeared earlier in hexa group than in control animals. Electrophysiological recordings were performed each 3 days during 34 days following nerve injury. Higher values of the compound muscle action potential (CMAP) were obtained in hexa-treated animals that correspond to an improved regeneration. Moreover, hexa induced a significantly faster regeneration rate (hexa: 2.87 +/- 0.15 mV/day; control: 2.00 +/- 0.06 mV/day), as measured by the slope of CMAP increase (44% enhancement). A morphometric analysis performed 7 days following crush showed an increased number of regenerating fibers, as well as increased diameter and thickness of the myelin in hexa-treated mice. Thus, hexa increased the regeneration of both sensory and motor axons in lesioned nerve, leading to an improved functional recovery.

Valproic acid enhances axonal regeneration and recovery of motor function after sciatic nerve axotomy in adult rats
Shu-Sen Cuia, c, Christine P. Yangb, Rudy C. Bowena, Ou Baia, Xin-Min Lia, Wen Jianga, Xia Zhanga (2003)

It has recently been demonstrated that valproic acid (VPA) robustly promotes neurite outgrowth, activates the extracellular signal regulated kinase pathway, and increases growth cone-associated protein 43 and bcl-2 levels in cultured human neuroblastoma SH-SY5Y cells. We hypothesized that VPA could also enhance peripheral nerve regeneration in adult animals. To test this hypothesis, we examined the effects of VPA (300 mg/kg daily for 16 weeks) on sciatic axonal regeneration following single or conditional axotomies in rats. The results showed that in VPA-treated rats there was a significant increase in the total numbers of regenerated myelinated nerve fibers and reinnervated muscle fibers in comparison with those rats not treated with VPA. As measured by sciatic function index and toe spread index, the motor function of the reinnervated hind limbs of rats receiving single axotomy without VPA treatment significantly improved at week 8 and reached plateau levels at about week 11, whereas the motor function of the reinnervated hind limbs of rats receiving single axotomy plus VPA and rats receiving conditional axotomy with or without VPA treatment significantly improved at week 4 and reached plateau levels at about week 8; there was no significant difference of the motor function among the three later groups. The results demonstrated that VPA is able to enhance sciatic nerve regeneration and recovery of motor function in adult rats, suggesting the potential clinical application of VPA for the treatment of peripheral nerve injury in humans.

Hyaluronic acid hydrogels with IKVAV peptides for tissue repair and axonal regeneration in an injured rat brain
Y T Wei, W M Tian, X Yu, F Z Cui, S P Hou, Q Y Xu, and In-Seop Lee (2003)

A biocompatible hydrogel of hyaluronic acid with the neurite-promoting peptide sequence of IKVAV was synthesized. The characterization of the hydrogel shows an open porous structure and a large surface area available for cell interaction. Its ability to promote tissue repair and axonal regeneration in the lesioned rat cerebrum is also evaluated. After implantation, the polymer hydrogel repaired the tissue defect and formed a permissive interface with the host tissue. Axonal growth occurred within the microstructure of the network. Within 6 weeks the polymer implant was invaded by host-derived tissue, glial cells, blood vessels and axons. Such a hydrogel matrix showed the properties of neuron conduction. It has the potential to repair tissue defects in the central nervous system by promoting the formation of a tissue matrix and axonal growth by replacing the lost tissue. [this one is interesting, heard they were looking at spider (or slug?) silk as a natural implant!]

Retinoic acid signaling in axonal regeneration
Radhika Puttagunta, and Simone Di Giovanni (2011)

Following an acute central nervous system (CNS) injury, axonal regeneration and functional recovery are extremely limited. This is due to an extrinsic inhibitory growth environment and the lack of intrinsic growth competence. Retinoic acid (RA) signaling, essential in developmental dorsoventral patterning and specification of spinal motor neurons, has been shown through its receptor, the transcription factor RA receptor β2 (RARβ2), to induce axonal regeneration following spinal cord injury (SCI). Recently, it has been shown that in dorsal root ganglion neurons (DRGs), cAMP levels were greatly increased by lentiviral RARβ2 expression and contributed to neurite outgrowth. Moreover, RARβagonists, in cerebellar granule neurons (CGN) and in the brain in vivo, induced phosphoinositide 3-kinase dependent phosphorylation of AKT that was involved in RARβ-dependent neurite outgrowth. More recently, RA-RARβpathways were shown to directly transcriptionally repress a member of the inhibitory Nogo receptor (NgR) complex, Lingo-1, under an axonal growth inhibitory environment in vitro as well as following spinal injury in vivo. This perspective focuses on these newly discovered molecular mechanisms and future directions in the field.




Even more:

 

Enhancement of Amygdaloid Neuronal Dendritic Arborization by Fresh Leaf Juice of Centella asiatica
http://www.hindawi.c...009/247831/abs/

Centella asiatica Leaf Extract Treatment During the Growth Spurt Period Enhances Hippocampal CA3 Neuronal Dendritic Arborization
http://www.hindawi.c...006/627102/abs/

Altered dendritic arborization of amygdala neurons in young adult rats orally intubated with Clitorea ternatea aqueous root extract
http://onlinelibrary...r.1657/abstract


Enhancement of basolateral amygdaloid neuronal dendritic arborization following Bacopa monniera extract treatment in adult rats
http://www.scielo.br...ipt=sci_arttext

Enhanced dendritic arborization of amygdala neurons during growth spurt periods in rats orally intubated with Bacopa monniera extract
http://link.springer...2565-011-0104-z

 

Curcumin protects axons from degeneration in the setting of local neuroinflammation
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24382451

Curcumin promotes nerve regeneration and functional recovery in rat model of nerve crush injury.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23669643

Low-Dose Curcumin Stimulates Proliferation, Migration and Phagocytic Activity of Olfactory Glial Cells
http://journals.plos...al.pone.0111787

 

 

Berberine Promotes Axonal Regeneration in Injured Nerves of the Peripheral Nervous System
http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3308712/

Enhanced survival and regeneration of axotomized retinal ganglion cells by a mixture of herbal extracts.
Cheung ZH1, So KF, Lu Q, Yip HK, Wu W, Shan JJ, Pang PK, Chen CF. (2002)

The aim of this study is to investigate the effects of Panax quinquefolius L. extract (PQE), Ginkgo biloba extract (GBE), and Hypericum perforatum extract (HPE), in combination or alone, on the survival and regeneration of axotomized retinal ganglion cells (RGCs) in an optic nerve transection model in adult hamsters. Unilateral transection of the optic nerve was performed to evaluate the effects of herbal extracts on the survival of axotomized RGCs. Effects of the herbal extracts on axonal regeneration of axotomized RGCs, on the other hand, were studied by attaching a peripheral nerve graft onto the transected ocular stump to induce regeneration. Operated animals received daily oral administration of vehicle or herbal extracts (PQE, GBE, and HPE), alone or in combination, for 7 and 21 days, respectively, in the survival and regeneration experiments. Surviving and regenerating RGCs were retrogradely labeled with Fluoro-Gold. The eyes were then enucleated and the retinas were flat-mounted for the counting of the labeled RGCs. Treatment with PQE, GBE and HPE alone failed to offer neuroprotection to injured RGCs. However, treatment with Menta-FX, a mixture of PQE, GBE, and HPE, significantly augmented RGC survival 7 days postaxotomy. Treatment with Menta-FX also induced a significant (87%) increase in the number of regenerating RGCs 21 days after optic nerve transection. This study demonstrates that herbs can act as a potential neuroprotective agent for damaged RGCs. It also suggests that the therapeutic value of herbal remedies can be maximized by the use of mixtures of appropriate herbs.



Growth-promoting activity of  Hominis Placenta  extract on regenerating sciatic nerve
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/16364210

 Hedysa ri Extra ct Improves Regeneration after Peripheral Nerve Injury by Enhancing the Amplification Effect
http://journals.plos...al.pone.0067921

 

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Endocannabinoid-Goα signalling inhibits axon regeneration in Caenorhabditis elegans by antagonizing Gqα-PKC-JNK signalling.
Pastuhov SI1, Fujiki K, Nix P, Kanao S, Bastiani M, Matsumoto K, Hisamoto N. (2012)

The ability of neurons to regenerate their axons after injury is determined by a balance between cellular pathways that promote and those that inhibit regeneration. In Caenorhabditis elegans, axon regeneration is positively regulated by the c-Jun N-terminal kinase mitogen activated protein kinase pathway, which is activated by growth factor-receptor tyrosine kinase signalling. Here we show that fatty acid amide hydrolase-1, an enzyme involved in the degradation of the endocannabinoid anandamide (arachidonoyl ethanolamide), regulates the axon regeneration response of γ-aminobutyric acid neurons after laser axotomy. Exogenous arachidonoyl ethanolamide inhibits axon regeneration via the Goα subunit GOA-1, which antagonizes the Gqα subunit EGL-30. We further demonstrate that protein kinase C functions downstream of Gqα and activates the MLK-1-MEK-1-KGB-1 c-Jun N-terminal kinase pathway by phosphorylating MLK-1. Our results show that arachidonoyl ethanolamide induction of a G protein signal transduction pathway has a role in the inhibition of post-development axon regeneration.

ß-adrenoceptor blockers increase cardiac sympathetic innervation by inhibiting autoreceptor suppression of axon growth
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20844139

Retina-derived growth-promoting extract supports axonal regeneration in vivo
http://www.sciencedi...006899386908498

Promoting Axon Regeneration in the Adult CNS by Modulation of the PTEN/mTOR Pathway
Kevin Kyungsuk Park, Kai Liu, Yang Hu, Patrice D. Smith (2008)

The failure of axons to regenerate is a major obstacle for functional recovery after central nervous system (CNS) injury. Removing extracellular inhibitory molecules results in limited axon regeneration in vivo. To test for the role of intrinsic impediments to axon regrowth, we analyzed cell growth control genes using a virus-assisted in vivo conditional knockout approach. Deletion of PTEN (phosphatase and tensin homolog), a negative regulator of the mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR) pathway, in adult retinal ganglion cells (RGCs) promotes robust axon regeneration after optic nerve injury. In wild-type adult mice, the mTOR activity was suppressed and new protein synthesis was impaired in axotomized RGCs, which may contribute to the regeneration failure. Reactivating this pathway by conditional knockout of tuberous sclerosis complex 1, another negative regulator of the mTOR pathway, also leads to axon regeneration. Thus, our results suggest the manipulation of intrinsic growth control pathways as a therapeutic approach to promote axon regeneration after CNS injury.

Identification of the Nogo inhibitor of axon regeneration as a Reticulon protein
http://www.nature.co...s/403439a0.html

 

A novel role for myelin-associated glycoprotein as an inhibitor of axonal regeneration
http://www.sciencedi...896627394900426

Glial inhibition of CNS axon regeneration
Glenn Yiu & Zhigang He (2006)

Damage to the adult CNS often leads to persistent deficits due to the inability of mature axons to regenerate after injury. Mounting evidence suggests that the glial environment of the adult CNS, which includes inhibitory molecules in CNS myelin as well as proteoglycans associated with astroglial scarring, might present a major hurdle for successful axon regeneration. Here, we evaluate the molecular basis of these inhibitory influences and their contributions to the limitation of long-distance axon repair and other types of structural plasticity. Greater insight into glial inhibition is crucial for developing therapies to promote functional recovery after neural injury.

 

Axon Regeneration in the Peripheral and Central Nervous Systems
http://www.ncbi.nlm....846285/#S2title

 

Axonal regeneration in the rat spinal cord produced by an antibody against myelin-associated neurite growth inhibitors
http://www.nature.co...s/343269a0.html

 

Axonal Regeneration into Acellular Nerve Grafts Is Enhanced by Degradation of Chondroitin Sulfate Proteoglycan
http://www.jneurosci...6/6206.full.pdf

Genes Associated with Adult Axon Regeneration Promoted by Olfactory Ensheathing Cells: A New Role for Matrix Metalloproteinase 2
http://www.jneurosci...26/20/5347.full

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#2 Autumn Knight

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Posted 06 February 2017 - 03:27 AM

Have you tested any of these yourself?



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Posted 06 February 2017 - 06:35 PM

i've done tea, ginseng, ginkgo and bacopa.  to a lesser extent gotu kola, st johns, berberine and hyarulenic acid

 

it's been incredibly effective too.  i went from having my axons oxidized and running a dodgy computer repair business to full ape mode.. complete with a medusa head of tumorous axons dangling off my penis and a job as chief hardware development engineer at intel corporation


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Posted 06 February 2017 - 07:47 PM

How to induce savant autism, step one.


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 03:06 AM

i've done tea, ginseng, ginkgo and bacopa.  to a lesser extent gotu kola, st johns, berberine and hyarulenic acid

 

it's been incredibly effective too.  i went from having my axons oxidized and running a dodgy computer repair business to full ape mode.. complete with a medusa head of tumorous axons dangling off my penis and a job as chief hardware development engineer at intel corporation

 

I always hear axonal repair is very difficult to facilitate because their brances are not only very long and thin but hard to direct to the appropriate place in the brain. You're saying your axons were damaged and they achieved regrowth? Or do you only believe so? How badly do you think they were damaged?


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 03:08 PM

How to induce savant autism, step one.

 
My wish. I've tried everything in that list, but I've not experienced anything significative yet. Now I'm trying Jujuba.
 
I wrote this two post in reddit: 
 
https://www.reddit.c...c_that_crazily/
https://www.reddit.c...essions_of_ngf/
 
NGF, BDNF, GDNF and NT3. 
 
Also:
 

According to Ki67 and doublecortin immunostaining, neurons in the dendate gyrus were significantly enhanced at 40mg/kg and increased further at 100mg/kg (although not significantly different than 40mg/kg) with the percentage increase being 475% and 672%, respectively and relative to control.[37] Most of this enhancement was due to increased amounts of tertiary dendrites at both concentrations (354% and 579%, respectively), suggesting dendritic proliferation or an attenuation of dendritic loss associated with aging.[37]

 

 

 

Still, nothing remarkable at this point. 



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Posted 07 February 2017 - 07:36 PM

I always hear axonal repair is very difficult to facilitate because their brances are not only very long and thin but hard to direct to the appropriate place in the brain. You're saying your axons were damaged and they achieved regrowth? Or do you only believe so? How badly do you think they were damaged?

 

They were damaged pretty horrifically, by any estimate.   Especially the serotonergic, dopaminergic and glutamatergic ones.

 

They seem to have regrown to well above baseline, although without directing themselves to any organized targets.. regrowing.. more or less randomly.  Because I am most certainly now more insane than ever.  So the problem of giving instructions on the axon of where to go, it is a major hurdle to overcome.  Even though with proper diet and exercise you might only regenerate 5000 neurons today (compared with 700 in the average American slouch), it is still a serious concern.  Probably you have to settle on some NLP and rewiring, adapting new circuits to old heuristics.  You see that most obviously in younger brains, when one region is damaged, a nearby region compensates and overtakes duties it would not normally.

 

It should also be noted my use is pretty inconsistent.  Out of the past 365 days, I've done approximately green tea (330 days), ginseng (150 days), ginkgo (120 days), and bacopa (90 days).  As you can see, I'm not very strict with my regimens.  If I were a guinea pig, for the sake of brevity, I would wear a tag saying "just tea and ginseng".  So there's room to improve.  For example, I started taking naringen (grapefruit) less than 3 months ago when I first became aware of its dopamine/GDNF properties.  And I've taken it 45 days or so out of 90.  So I'm big on grapefruit, you might say.

 

 

 

... therefore, to make the possibility to treat Parkinson's disease patients clear, further study is needed to determine the effects of post-treatment with naringin such as the induction of dopamine and the regeneration of axons after damage in DA system of adult brain as well as the study on the mechanisms of naringin-induced effects in the adult brain.

 

With dopamine at least, axon regeneration depends on Akt/Rheb, microglial inactivation and obviously and induction of general neurotrophins (that's a big part of naringen, with GDNF and all).  


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 04:15 AM

 

I always hear axonal repair is very difficult to facilitate because their brances are not only very long and thin but hard to direct to the appropriate place in the brain. You're saying your axons were damaged and they achieved regrowth? Or do you only believe so? How badly do you think they were damaged?

 

They were damaged pretty horrifically, by any estimate.   Especially the serotonergic, dopaminergic and glutamatergic ones.

 

They seem to have regrown to well above baseline, although without directing themselves to any organized targets.. regrowing.. more or less randomly.  Because I am most certainly now more insane than ever.  So the problem of giving instructions on the axon of where to go, it is a major hurdle to overcome.  Even though with proper diet and exercise you might only regenerate 5000 neurons today (compared with 700 in the average American slouch), it is still a serious concern.  Probably you have to settle on some NLP and rewiring, adapting new circuits to old heuristics.  You see that most obviously in younger brains, when one region is damaged, a nearby region compensates and overtakes duties it would not normally.

 

It should also be noted my use is pretty inconsistent.  Out of the past 365 days, I've done approximately green tea (330 days), ginseng (150 days), ginkgo (120 days), and bacopa (90 days).  As you can see, I'm not very strict with my regimens.  If I were a guinea pig, for the sake of brevity, I would wear a tag saying "just tea and ginseng".  So there's room to improve.  For example, I started taking naringen (grapefruit) less than 3 months ago when I first became aware of its dopamine/GDNF properties.  And I've taken it 45 days or so out of 90.  So I'm big on grapefruit, you might say.

 

 

 

... therefore, to make the possibility to treat Parkinson's disease patients clear, further study is needed to determine the effects of post-treatment with naringin such as the induction of dopamine and the regeneration of axons after damage in DA system of adult brain as well as the study on the mechanisms of naringin-induced effects in the adult brain.

 

With dopamine at least, axon regeneration depends on Akt/Rheb, microglial inactivation and obviously and induction of general neurotrophins (that's a big part of naringen, with GDNF and all).  

 

 

So you didn't really bother to direct the axonal regrowth?



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 04:25 AM

They have a mind if their own. How could i?

I'm still in the market for a pair of very small tweezers, if anyones selling.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 04:32 AM

They have a mind if their own. How could i?

I'm still in the market for a pair of very small tweezers, if anyones selling.

 

 

You gave some suggestions on how to possibly do it, so I don't think it is ridiculous to ask if you used the suggestions yourself. I wonder how one would go about directing axonal regrowth in the proper direction. In any case, in my opinion, crazy directionless axons are better than none.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 06:24 AM

autumn, i cant believe you dont get he is being humorous on this thread



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 06:30 AM

autumn, i cant believe you dont get he is being humorous on this thread

 

About growing new axons, I do not think he is.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 06:34 AM

well, he made this thread back in september of last year and im not sure, maybe he was serious back then but its quite clear now that when he responds to you guys he is mocking this whole concept. maybe he realized its a silly thread and now just jokes around or he thinks the thread still offers valid information but he doesnt care anymore. but from past posts of this guy, i find it very hard to take him serious somehow



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Posted 09 February 2017 - 12:01 AM

well, he made this thread back in september of last year and im not sure, maybe he was serious back then but its quite clear now that when he responds to you guys he is mocking this whole concept. maybe he realized its a silly thread and now just jokes around or he thinks the thread still offers valid information but he doesnt care anymore. but from past posts of this guy, i find it very hard to take him serious somehow

 

He's like that all the time.



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Posted 09 February 2017 - 01:51 AM

I know nothing in the hearts of men, nothing in the unshaken heart of persuasive truth... I only know that I am alone, horribly alone.  Smile because it confuses people, smile because it is easier than explaining what is killing you inside.

 

Now you may be thining 5000 axons per day is nothing when the brain is composed of billions and billions of neurons.  "Hah, gamesguru," you might say.  "Stupid boy.  At that rate it would take hundreds of millennia to double the size or your brain."

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And you'd be right, matey. If-if you were just going by size.  But the brain doesn't work like a computer chip or a penis.  No, it doesn't.  Linear scaling produces exponential growth.  Transistors are connected to only three adjacent units, but a neuron can be connected to hundreds of others.  The brain works like a giant quantum computer not some 8088 microchip.  Like I touched on earlier, you grow enough dendrites you can forget the axons, one region will take over the functions lost in another.  [Insert graphic of hippocampus teeter tottering with frontal lobe]

 

The great chinese strategy game Go!, which was long believed too complex for computers, has been recently solved.  For the longest time, the strongest computers played only at a weak amateur level.  But suddenly over night, thanks to the addition of deep neural networks, a program came on the scene, aptly named AlphaGo.  It ascended the ranks, learning as it went, until finally earning ten game matches with the european and asian human champions.  It would go on to effortlessly crush the humans even in long time controls, much to the surprise of spectators.  The marveousl computer works by considering the value of a move weighted against 17 different schemas, and learns evaluatively from its past mistake.  Run to the fuckin bunkers people, skynet is coming. Skynet is coming.  Assuming the world's platinum isn't long depleted by human activity.. run to the bunkers

 

In summary.. owing largely to lifestyle choices and dietary factors, I made a better recovery in 3 years than an average american could hope for in 7.  I could have done even better, but with laziness and the law of diminishing returns, I got what I got.

 

The addition of a few thousand neurons to key regions such as the hippocampus or cortex would be quite clinically significant and is not to be underestimated.  And my affective psychosis may be explained by the ginseng, which is also a D2 agonist but behaves unlike abilify.  Maybe I should switch, maybe not.  I like to blame my parents, cause I didn't get to choose them.

 

 

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Posted 09 February 2017 - 02:55 AM

I know nothing in the hearts of men, nothing in the unshaken heart of persuasive truth... I only know that I am alone, horribly alone.  Smile because it confuses people, smile because it is easier than explaining what is killing you inside.

 

Now you may be thining 5000 axons per day is nothing when the brain is composed of billions and billions of neurons.  "Hah, gamesguru," you might say.  "Stupid boy.  At that rate it would take hundreds of millennia to double the size or your brain."

8565027_f260.jpg

 

And you'd be right, matey. If-if you were just going by size.  But the brain doesn't work like a computer chip or a penis.  No, it doesn't.  Linear scaling produces exponential growth.  Transistors are connected to only three adjacent units, but a neuron can be connected to hundreds of others.  The brain works like a giant quantum computer not some 8088 microchip.  Like I touched on earlier, you grow enough dendrites you can forget the axons, one region will take over the functions lost in another.  [Insert graphic of hippocampus teeter tottering with frontal lobe]

 

The great chinese strategy game Go!, which was long believed too complex for computers, has been recently solved.  For the longest time, the strongest computers played only at a weak amateur level.  But suddenly over night, thanks to the addition of deep neural networks, a program came on the scene, aptly named AlphaGo.  It ascended the ranks, learning as it went, until finally earning ten game matches with the european and asian human champions.  It would go on to effortlessly crush the humans even in long time controls, much to the surprise of spectators.  The marveousl computer works by considering the value of a move weighted against 17 different schemas, and learns evaluatively from its past mistake.  Run to the fuckin bunkers people, skynet is coming. Skynet is coming.  Assuming the world's platinum isn't long depleted by human activity.. run to the bunkers

 

In summary.. owing largely to lifestyle choices and dietary factors, I made a better recovery in 3 years than an average american could hope for in 7.  I could have done even better, but with laziness and the law of diminishing returns, I got what I got.

 

The addition of a few thousand neurons to key regions such as the hippocampus or cortex would be quite clinically significant and is not to be underestimated.  And my affective psychosis may be explained by the ginseng, which is also a D2 agonist but behaves unlike abilify.  Maybe I should switch, maybe not.  I like to blame my parents, cause I didn't get to choose them.

 

 

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I have made leaps and bounds of recovery with plain old mental discipline and some key Nootropics, but as you probably feel about yourself, something is missing. I think it is the guidance to the proper place of our neuronal growth. Please tell us if you think of some way to achieve this.



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Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:01 AM

Truthfully, I'm not sure.  Typically the axon is told where to go by instructions in the presynaptic cell, but what we're doing isn't typical.  Randomness sometimes plays a role, and here the best idea I have is regular mental exercise, beyond what I have discipline for.  Exercise will help the new connections slip into existing networks with ease.  As for altering the instructions on where to guide the axon with herbal agents, good luck.



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Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:03 AM

stem cell therapy i think its pretty obvious


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 04:16 AM

that's basically what this thread is.  naturally manipulating stem cells, microglia, myelin, dentrites.. the whole nine yards.  no doubt to be eclipsed by laboratory techniques in coming decades, but these speculations hold their place in history for a brief hour

 

longecitians had whole threads about microglia and depression, Nogo/Sema inhibitors and neurogenesis, and at least one mention was made of myelin and rhynchophylla uncaria.  people are curious.  they want answers today, not in 10 years.  who will come up with them?


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Posted 09 February 2017 - 05:10 AM

stem cell therapy i think its pretty obvious

 

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 10:50 PM

Not sure if anyone else has reported back to this thread, but I'm curious whether or not the induction of massive amounts of neurotrophic factors could be guided based on ones current actions. For example, say I just went on a meth binge, and now my striatum looks like a deflated lizard prostate. If I were to then take some of the axon healing substances mentioned above, together with some Gynostemma or Hyperforin or something else that helps heal the striatum, would the healing be then accelerated? I ask because I have reason to believe I have glial scarring in the Lateral Hypothalamus, and I take the following supplements at the moment:

 

Panax Notoginseng 1g

Krill Oil (consists of 240mg phospholipids, 512mg DHA, 134mg EPA, 30mcg Astaxanthin)

Gaia herbs SleepThru caps at night (Magnolia, Ashwagandha, Passionflower, & Jujube)

Baikal Skullcap during the day, American Skullcap at night

Ginkgo Biloba 240mg (56.6mg glycosides, 14.4mg terpene lactones)

Turmeric 1g (95% curcuminoids, 5mg bioperine, and the occasional tablespoon of turmeric w/ black pepper, coconut oil, & cayenne)

Copious amounts of green tea, white tea, and pu-erh tea

Gotu Kola 600mg at night (8% triterpene glycosides)

Berberine HCl 1200mg in 3 doses

Primavie Shilajit 500mg

Royal Jelly (1g suspended in honey, yum)

Epimedium 2g (10% Icariin, has the effects you can imagine)

+ some other stuff for Narcolepsy symptom management

 

I've tried some miscellaneous stuff to try upregulating Orexin, including nicotine patches (horrible), intranasal Orexin-A (amazing, expensive), Armodafinil (meh, meds), exercise, and sniffin' milk. I have felt some subjective improvement, but there isn't really a way of telling I'm sure. Does the quantity of neurotrophic factors make the healing faster? Or is the cap on new neurons insurmountable? Haven't seen much literature saying one thing or the other  :|?



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Not sure if anyone else has reported back to this thread, but I'm curious whether or not the induction of massive amounts of neurotrophic factors could be guided based on ones current actions. For example, say I just went on a meth binge, and now my striatum looks like a deflated lizard prostate. If I were to then take some of the axon healing substances mentioned above, together with some Gynostemma or Hyperforin or something else that helps heal the striatum, would the healing be then accelerated? I ask because I have reason to believe I have glial scarring in the Lateral Hypothalamus, and I take the following supplements at the moment:

 

Panax Notoginseng 1g

Krill Oil (consists of 240mg phospholipids, 512mg DHA, 134mg EPA, 30mcg Astaxanthin)

Gaia herbs SleepThru caps at night (Magnolia, Ashwagandha, Passionflower, & Jujube)

Baikal Skullcap during the day, American Skullcap at night

Ginkgo Biloba 240mg (56.6mg glycosides, 14.4mg terpene lactones)

Turmeric 1g (95% curcuminoids, 5mg bioperine, and the occasional tablespoon of turmeric w/ black pepper, coconut oil, & cayenne)

Copious amounts of green tea, white tea, and pu-erh tea

Gotu Kola 600mg at night (8% triterpene glycosides)

Berberine HCl 1200mg in 3 doses

Primavie Shilajit 500mg

Royal Jelly (1g suspended in honey, yum)

Epimedium 2g (10% Icariin, has the effects you can imagine)

+ some other stuff for Narcolepsy symptom management

 

I've tried some miscellaneous stuff to try upregulating Orexin, including nicotine patches (horrible), intranasal Orexin-A (amazing, expensive), Armodafinil (meh, meds), exercise, and sniffin' milk. I have felt some subjective improvement, but there isn't really a way of telling I'm sure. Does the quantity of neurotrophic factors make the healing faster? Or is the cap on new neurons insurmountable? Haven't seen much literature saying one thing or the other  :|?


I notice you seem to use powders/caps over tinctures? Can I ask whether there is a reason... most herbalists I know carry tinctures. Is it to do with known potency?



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Posted 27 July 2017 - 10:59 AM

Herbalists prefer tinctures because they can be easily mixed together into formula. Strength of a good quality powdered extract can be just as good as fresh or dried tincture and often better. It depends a lot on the plant too and other factors, like the extraction process. I use a combination of usually fresh tinctures and capsules from good companies and found it works. Sometimes the fresh tincture is better than dried, a lot of the time, like in the case of american skullcap.


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Posted 27 July 2017 - 11:05 AM

This was a really interesting post btw, I have some nerve damage in my joint areas mainly for a few years, dunno why it happened. Currently trying: ginkgo, ashwagandha, gotu kola, st johns wort, skullcap, and curcumin.

 

Have so far had some substantial and sustained pain improvements in my arms.


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Posted 28 July 2017 - 11:19 AM

a lot of joint pain can be explained by arthritis, and oddly enough, depression.  the mutated serotonin receptors at the neuromuscular junction are well-known to facilitate cholinergic transmission and an almost phantom-like limb pain.  depression joint pains very common and highly under-reported.  usually it somewhat sporadically affects your most used joints, but it can strike anywhere at anytime.  anyways st johns, ginkgo and curcumin are all serotonin modulators, so it doesn't surprise me that they helped you.  curcumin would help arthritis.  ginger too, and i just recommend it for general cognition and manliness.  so, drink up the gingerale



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Posted 28 July 2017 - 10:16 PM

 

Not sure if anyone else has reported back to this thread, but I'm curious whether or not the induction of massive amounts of neurotrophic factors could be guided based on ones current actions. For example, say I just went on a meth binge, and now my striatum looks like a deflated lizard prostate. If I were to then take some of the axon healing substances mentioned above, together with some Gynostemma or Hyperforin or something else that helps heal the striatum, would the healing be then accelerated? I ask because I have reason to believe I have glial scarring in the Lateral Hypothalamus, and I take the following supplements at the moment:

 

Panax Notoginseng 1g

Krill Oil (consists of 240mg phospholipids, 512mg DHA, 134mg EPA, 30mcg Astaxanthin)

Gaia herbs SleepThru caps at night (Magnolia, Ashwagandha, Passionflower, & Jujube)

Baikal Skullcap during the day, American Skullcap at night

Ginkgo Biloba 240mg (56.6mg glycosides, 14.4mg terpene lactones)

Turmeric 1g (95% curcuminoids, 5mg bioperine, and the occasional tablespoon of turmeric w/ black pepper, coconut oil, & cayenne)

Copious amounts of green tea, white tea, and pu-erh tea

Gotu Kola 600mg at night (8% triterpene glycosides)

Berberine HCl 1200mg in 3 doses

Primavie Shilajit 500mg

Royal Jelly (1g suspended in honey, yum)

Epimedium 2g (10% Icariin, has the effects you can imagine)

+ some other stuff for Narcolepsy symptom management

 

I've tried some miscellaneous stuff to try upregulating Orexin, including nicotine patches (horrible), intranasal Orexin-A (amazing, expensive), Armodafinil (meh, meds), exercise, and sniffin' milk. I have felt some subjective improvement, but there isn't really a way of telling I'm sure. Does the quantity of neurotrophic factors make the healing faster? Or is the cap on new neurons insurmountable? Haven't seen much literature saying one thing or the other  :|?

I notice you seem to use powders/caps over tinctures? Can I ask whether there is a reason... most herbalists I know carry tinctures. Is it to do with known potency?

 

 

I won't parrot what @chris85 mentioned, however, many times a tincture is the only reliable extract I can get. For example, many of the cheaper ginseng extracts are not standardized in the slightest. Seriously, go to iherb or vitacost and see just how many simply say "root extract" with no mention of ginsenoides or saponins. At least with the Prince of Peace or Pine brand ginseng bottles, I know that it's an alcohol extract as opposed to simply a hot water extract. This makes it so that the ginseng is more immunomodulatory instead of immune boosting. The alcohol extracts of both Ginseng and Cordyceps help me with the inflammatory symptoms of Narcolepsy and mold exposure, while the polysaccharides in the hot water extract worsen my joint pain and brain fog. 


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Posted 29 July 2017 - 02:00 AM

90% of the american market is adulterated with various cordyceps imitations and derivatives. not sure how you can relate any improvements in anything just solely using any of those fake cordyceps extracts sold out there. this is coming from a person who has been hunting the overpraised fungi for years and in conclusion, only way to ever get true original cordyceps is to go to nepal or tibet, or have connections to some asian market which sells whole fungi body of cordyceps but for a real high price. rest of it sold anywhere else is bullshit. take it from me, experienced cordyceps consumer for 8 years, ive tried all the brands and powders out there.


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Posted 29 July 2017 - 08:35 AM

 

The alcohol extracts of both Ginseng and Cordyceps help me with the inflammatory symptoms of Narcolepsy and mold exposure, while the polysaccharides in the hot water extract worsen my joint pain and brain fog.

 

Panax ginseng and cordyceps are two of the herbs I most frequently hear people mentioning quality issues.

 

I have found Jarrow is good and reliable, like their ashwagandha is good, better than other stuff I have tried. I also take their curcumin, but it is hard to gage how well it works. They do standardised extracts, but your right most companies don't bother.

 

Martin Powell says in his book 'medicinal mushrooms' (2014) that growing cordyceps not on the original cattapillar does not make a difference to it's medicinal effects and alternative substrates are acceptable. His company do standardised extracts here in the U.K. and seem pretty good, although I am yet to try them, I find medicinal mushrooms a little too stimulating generally unfortunately. The Western nervines and a few of the calmer adaptogens do seem very helpful.


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90% of the american market is adulterated with various cordyceps imitations and derivatives. not sure how you can relate any improvements in anything just solely using any of those fake cordyceps extracts sold out there. this is coming from a person who has been hunting the overpraised fungi for years and in conclusion, only way to ever get true original cordyceps is to go to nepal or tibet, or have connections to some asian market which sells whole fungi body of cordyceps but for a real high price. rest of it sold anywhere else is bullshit. take it from me, experienced cordyceps consumer for 8 years, ive tried all the brands and powders out there.

 

You make a good point in that most of the mushroom extracts out there are garbage. For all I know, that real-deal-holyfield Cordyceps is some of the most potent stuff in the natural world. So all I really have to base myself off of are the subjective effects.

 

For example, I can feel something with Dr's Best Cordyceps or MRM Cordyceps CS-4, but only after 4-5 capsules worth (~3-4g). I got really good results from the Nootropics Depot Cordyceps powder at around 1g, a lot of extra, mainly physical, energy and enhanced breathing ability. I also got some extract off ebay that's "supposedly" standardized to Cordycepin at 7%. It was pretty good stuff at 3-4g's worth but had a strange texture so I didn't order it again.

 

I've also tried this product from my local (SF) Chinatown: https://www.goldenne...ip-Formula.html. I got it for only $7.50 but even then it's still kinda pricey. Still, gave a good amount of energy, nice boost in breathing ability which is a life saver as I've been dealing with the effects of mold exposure for 2 years and breathing difficulty is one of them. I've asked one of the herbalists there if I can smell the real cordyceps they have there (petrified caterpillars at about $1600 and ounce) and the closest smelling extract I've gotten so far is the Nootropics Depot one. The random ebay extract smelled like the caterpillars mixed with something starchy, possibly the rice substrate.  I have the Paradise Herbs Tibetan Cordyceps coming in in a couple of days so I'll just have to trial and error that one as well.

 

It's not exactly the most scientific method but trial-and-error seems to be the only well to try to treat this "incurable" disease.



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Posted 02 August 2017 - 05:53 AM

interesting info, thanks for sharing this. so nootropics depot has some good stuff? ive tried other stuff from them and they have been inconsistent. one time i get good quality stuff that works, other times not at all. i questioned them but they were reluctant to deny any problems. otherwise good point you have to try so many types of brands and extracts to know the real deal and it sucks it will cost money :(







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