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[iseethelight]

I'm fine before my workout, but  right after, I'm totally depressed to the point of feeling suicidal. The symptoms are extremely anhodonia, shaky legs, jittery, anger, lethargy. I only lift weights and don't do any cardiovascular exercise. I'm in great shape at about 8% body fat.

 

What could it be?

[jack black]

possibly related to what i posted about?

http://www.longecity...t-and-humidity/

[jaiho]

Chemical imbalance likely. Most people with depression can exercise out of it. Some people's brain chemistry requires drugs to correct, so exercise will make you feel good again.

 

[rwac]

You need more pre-workout carbs, stat.

[Oakman]

You need more pre-workout carbs, stat.

 

... or perhaps general nutrition? More importantly, add some regular cardio exercise. Health is holistic body training, not just weights.

[rwac]

 

You need more pre-workout carbs, stat.

 

... or perhaps general nutrition? More importantly, add some regular cardio exercise. Health is holistic body training, not just weights.

 

 

Can't disagree with the nutrition part. However he seems to be doing too much already...

[metabrain]

I used to get this before my sleep apnoea was treated, it is because my body was pushing itself when I was tired. If you are refreshed you can look at other things like are you getting enough protein, carbs, fats?

[PeaceAndProsperity]

I used to get very depressed and my ocd would be amplified many-fold from just a little bit of exercise. I believe it is related to high serotonin and chronic fatigue syndrome. I was so insanely mentally and physically fatigued back when I did obsessive amounts of exercises every day. Since stopping my ocd and depressive mood got better, so I quit.

 

Now I've discovered that fasoracetam seems to help with this. If I take 5-10mg before I exercise then I don't have the same horrible reaction to exercise.

[iseethelight]

I used to get very depressed and my ocd would be amplified many-fold from just a little bit of exercise. I believe it is related to high serotonin and chronic fatigue syndrome. I was so insanely mentally and physically fatigued back when I did obsessive amounts of exercises every day. Since stopping my ocd and depressive mood got better, so I quit.

 

Now I've discovered that fasoracetam seems to help with this. If I take 5-10mg before I exercise then I don't have the same horrible reaction to exercise.

 

I agree with the high serotonin diagnostic. BCAA seems to help with this but it brings on a different kind of lethargy where IDGAF about anything, like a homeless bum sleeping on the street. I'm not going to stop working out... I got to find another solution..

 

Edited by iseethelight, 01 July 2017 - 02:48 PM.

[Mentha]

I feel the same after a good session of running/swimming/weight lifting.

In fact I can feel an "exercise high", but only during a few hours after the session.

The days after are awful.

I am also prone to depression/anxiety/OCD.

I haven't found a solution yet.

These days I am testing creatine. But it seems without result.

PeaceAndProsperity has written about CFS. This is where I have found the most information, on this well known CFS site:

http://forums.phoeni...-crashes.48438/

They call this state "Post-Exertional Malaise".

I would like to try D-Ribose but it is too expensive for me now.

[PeaceAndProsperity]

5ht2a antagonists works, guys. They work for chronic fatigue if it's caused by that receptor (many causes), works for sleep issues, works for ocd, works for so many things. It's that fucking receptor with its enormous complexity in terms of its interactions and it seems everyone in the West has a ton of mutations that makes the receptor more prone to being overactive, thus increasing one's risk of all sorts of personality disorders and symptoms.

But try finding an antagonist without side-effects from other binding properties, you won't be successful.

5ht2a antagonism also has side-effects of its own like you become less self-reliant in the sense of doing things on your own and having your own opinions about things, oversleeping, reduced memory capacity in some respects, perhaps an increase risk of seizures (or not?), though this is only from very strong antagonists like risperidone.

5ht2a partial agonists don't seem to work because they all seem to induce hallucinations (correct me if I am wrong).

 

Ginkgo Biloba works for serotonin induced fatigue but then you (or at least I) get night blindness that lasts for weeks, increased social anxiety and general nervousness when alone, some weird sleep effects (I thought 5ht2a antagonism was supposed to fix that, what the hell??), plus the extreme amount of contraindications that exists for ginkgo biloba.

 

[jack black]

PeaceAndProsperity has written about CFS. This is where I have found the most information, on this well known CFS site:

http://forums.phoeni...-crashes.48438/

They call this state "Post-Exertional Malaise".

I would like to try D-Ribose but it is too expensive for me now.

 

good point about "Post-Exertional Malaise." it's a characteristic sign of CFS alright. I have that "Post-Exertional Malaise," but I never considered i had CFS, even though I do have less energy compared with an average person for sure. today, i noticed that using my stack and specifically carnosine and ALCAR and cold shower right after activities in humid hot weather made the malaise much less a problem.
 

[Dichotohmy]

Post exterional malaise is, by definition, a delayed reaction to exercise or other body/brain exertion and does not happen immediately afterwards - instead happening 24-72 hours after an exertion.

 

Some sort of malaise that hits during or immediately after an exercise exertion is going to fall under the umbrella of exercise intolerance. Look for anemia, electrolyte imbalance, glucose issues, or other testable things. Anything serious enough to make your body smack you down with intense malaise, weakness, or illness as some sort of self-regulating measure to make you stop exercising, or discourage exercising, is beyond the realm of untestable things like "high serotonin."

Edited by Dichotohmy, 01 July 2017 - 08:07 PM.

[Mentha]

I don't think I have CFS.

But I surely have some interesting data to learn from CFS sufferers...

I have read on their forum that PEM symptoms can be delayed or not.

Like in this discussion for example:

 

Onset of PEM can vary quite a bit. Sometimes it is immediate and sometimes it is delayed by up to 72 hours. Added to this wide variation is that even in the same patient, sometimes the onset of PEM is immediate and sometimes delayed and PEM symptoms can vary within the same patient also.

 

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