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Part-ID 057 Rudi Hoffman, CFP (Certified Financial Planner)



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The reality is most of this kind of ignore is that we go on to live and pretended we are not heading rapidly towards aging and death.. The very few, right now, seen on a percentage basis, are taking the extremely rational step of saying: Well, cryonics may not be a guarantee but is certainly the most rational scientifically valued thing I can do right now to perhaps 'beat the reaper'.


Part-ID 058 Shannon Vyff (Cryonicist, Immortality Institute Member)



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I have talked about that with the children. I mean.. sometimes when they are going to sleep, little kids like my five year old, he can just have an emotional reaction, he'll actually cry about, you know,: "I don't want to die", I mean he'll ask "just what is death?" and, I tell him what some of the world's religions think. I don't have the answer.


Part-ID 059 Kennita Watson (Cryonicist, Libertarian and Extropian)



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I do have some relatives who don't understand. Some of my friends, not so much friends as acquaintances, work colluegues and so on, generally don't think.., if they don't think that living longer is better it is because they are looking forward to an afterlife that is going to be better. And I'm not going to say for sure that there isn't one but I do not know for sure that there is and I know that there is this life cause I am living it.


Part-ID 060 Sonia Arrison



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Oh, that's a hard question to answer, you know, sometimes, I am a researcher and pretty everything I do is based on facts for any of kind of prediction I make is based on what I've seeing. I don't know that we can say anything about what happens after death cause no one know. We can't go there and look and you can’t go and see that there is nothing. And you can’t go and see that there is something. So, you know, given that we don't know I just tend to, tend to not think about it very much. .., my induced think is.. an interesting question comes up, as if, you know, if we can live forever what does that say about god, what does that say about our conception of god. Does god exist?, you know, are we .., are we gods simply now?


Part-ID 061 James Dale



start 0:03:20 / 0:39:50
Well, there is no evidence that, you know, we actually, our consciousness exists after we die, so, I think that people that say that.. or people that object that notion are in some kind of a denial, that's the reality of the situation and if you look at it objectively, you know, there really is no evidence of any existence outside of this one.


Part-ID 062 William Faloon



start 0:03:53 / 0:40:23
Well, I personally don't believe there there is anything after death either, so I have a significant motivation to make life extension a reality. I have a lot of motivation to keep myself very healthy. I personally take over a hundred different supplements a day, of: drugs, vitamins, hormons, whatever I am able to uncover in the scientific literature that looks like it will extend my life span, I personally take it, and I write about it and publish in our magazine and many of our members want to follow the same direction that I and our scientific advisory board is doing.


Part-ID 063 James Halperin (Author: The First Immortal)



start 0:04:25 / 0:40:55
Because most of us have been brought up .. under fairly religious backgrounds, fairly religious teachings and, and.. we tend to conform, we are wired to conform, and this is a really great instance where you are much better off thinking for yourself if you can and trying to ignore what you have been taught.


Part-ID 064 Joao Pedro de Magalhaes, Ph.D.



start 0:04:59 / 0:41:28
I do not know about other people, but I think if I die, that's it for me, when it happens.


Part-ID 065 David Kekich



start 0:05:07 / 0:41:37
I.. I answer it by saying I just don't know and nobody knows, nobody. And nobody knows there is an afterlife, and nobody knows there is not an afterlife. If I had a bet on and I say there is there is no afterlife. And I am betting on it, I am putting my heart so into aging research because I won't hang around I don't want to take a chance. I will be happily surprised if there is was one if I die, you know, but nobody really knows that, and that's it.


Part-ID 066 Martine Rothblatt, Ph.D.



start 0:05:35 / 0:42:04
Obviously if there, there.. I think actually I would say that there - I take that back a little bit - I'd say if there is an entity that's gonna take care of us after death, that entity is us, that’s the collective activities of all of us people which is our collective consciousness and and our will to build an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent entity which is our collective technology and our collective consciousness.
And that entity is by definition god, so I’d say that god will be there when we become god.


Part-ID 067 Rafal Smigrodzki, M.D., Ph.D.



start 0:06:09 / 0:42:38
I personally think that once you, once you're dead it's over. I do not subscribe to any of these stories about afterlife. I think it's not impossible, but there is no evidence, no evidence that would convince me, that.. convince??? to leave the course. I do not believe in the existence of a soul, I don't think that after the destruction of the brain there is anything left of my memories, on myself. And of course I wouldn't want to find out,.. Or perhaps this is not the right way of saying that. .. The only way to find out what happens is, if you die and.. and if it turns out that there is nothing going on than you don't really find it out, right? So this is something that I would like to avoid. I would prefer not to even know. Stay alive and avoid the risk of.. of there'll be nothing left.


Part-ID 068 Max More, Ph.D.



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There is an interesting dichotomy in almost everybody in this country and in this world: Either they believe that when they die they're defenetely going to somewhere and almost suddenly there is a pretty good place to go to, you know, many people were convinced they're going to the bad places, so that's ok, they are comfortable with that ideas, and they can deal with death. Or they want to be absolutely sure they'll live forever on earth. It is quite difficult to be a rational transhumanist and say: Well, I have a really good shot of living indefenetely, but I may not make it, I'll make it squash tomorrow in a car accident. I may not make it. That’s a pretty uncomfortable position. And I think people like Hurlbut and Kass they build the whole worldview on this idea of death beeing inhabitable and necessary and, my goodness, if it's not, what a disaster that means for all of history before now, it just would be a terrible thing.
And what if I don't make it, what a terrible thing! And if that limit is taken away, we are not mortal any more, what am I going to do with my life? What does that all mean? And they don't want to deal with those issues and so it rather just say it can't happen and it's bad if it did.

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DVD-title 5

Part-ID 069 narrator

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When people are asked how long they want to live, the usual response is eighty or ninety years. Most people are waiting this chronology with increased physical disability and eventual death. But when people come to understand that the effects of aging can be reversed objections are merged. It seems that many people think that greater extension of life span will disrupt so called 'natural order'.
[ Natural? ]
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Part-ID 070 Natasha Vita-More (President of Extropy Institut,e Cultural strategist and designer)



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..and that's a misconception. What we considered natural in the twelve hundreds is not natural today. And what we consider natural today will not be natural tomorrow.
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Part-ID 071 Joseph Waynick (CEO, Alcor Life Extension Foundation, Scottsdale, Arizona)



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I hear that type of thing all the time, and my standard answer is: Human beings have got against unnatural order of things ever since time began. And just a half of millenium ago the avarage life span for human beeings was roughly a twenty five years old. If you've lived to be thirty or thirtyfive you were considered an old individual. Now we routinely live into our eighties and nineties. I guess she can make the argument of that's going against the natural order of beings as well. But what it is is an example of science and the technological progress that we have made and now we're extending our lives but enabling us to live healthier and more active lives well and to our seveties and eighties.


Part-ID 072 Rafal Smigrodzki, M.D., Ph.D.



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Thousand years ago people lived on average thirty five to forty years; and I do mean adults, I am not even including the children who were dying in ropes/robes/droubs??? at age five or two or one. So what we are doing right now is unnatural for the vast majority of citizens who reach the age of seventy or eighty. And I think it is good to be unnatural in this way.


Part-ID 073 Kennita Watson



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I think that there are lots of things that are natural that I don't like. And dying is one of them. Maybe I would be dead of a number of natural deseases if there weren't unnatural antibiotics and treatments for them. So natural by itself is not necessarily a good thing.


Part-ID 074 David Kekich



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[ Over-Population ]
It is proven that natural resources in this world, existing resources, are not to fade about and house about six billions more people which means basically double the population without stretching without.. And that's not including any future technology, that's not including sea belt mining, that's not including new food technology, that's not considering nanotechnology, not considering any of that. Also the population in the industrialized worlds is actually on a decline except for immigration. Japan is an example of their population is on a decline because there is not much initiality for immingration there. In this country of the want for immigration we have a population decline. So I think the more educated people get the less,.. or obviously we all know that, the more educated people get the less children they have.

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Part-ID 075 0:03:16 / 0:48:03 Max More, Ph.D.



They did life extension for almost quarter of the century now. One thing that is hilarious, that still comes up early, is the idea of overpopulation; if you live a lot longer wouldn't we become overpopulated. Well back in the.. the early days in discussing these ideas that was something people oppressed pretty strongly because population was still expanding quite rapidly. There has been a large demographic transition since then. And many countries have reached zero population growth and we are beginning to decline. The USA has a larger population growth than most of Europe something because of more immigration as well as.. you know, certain people having more births. But overall we have been towards early the end of population growth in the world in few decades. So the objection is no longer.. has the same driving force so it never really did had very much force in the first place, because if you look at the mathematics over it, really what matters is how many children each couple has - not how long each person lives. That makes a welltably??? small difference. So even if.. even there was a problem it be will reasonable ask ??? limit the number of children they have rather than to die.


Part-ID 076 0:04:14 / 0:49:01 James Dale



History has shown that you know as population increases productivity also increases. So you know, as we have an increased .. work force to work at these problems you know we're gonna have see an increase in solutions to these problems we gonna see more ideas and a greater work force to actually apply these ideas.


Part-ID 077 0:04:35 / 0:49:25 William Wiser



Overpopulation is a common one, so I can address that mathematically and if people live longer they tend to reproduce a little more slowly. I mean, in poor countries people have five, six, ten kids because a lot of them are gonna die, that's where the population is growing the fastest. So over population is a problem that you slow the problem down by having people live longer and be healthier.


Part-ID 078 0:05:02 / 0:49:51 Reason



So you have.. all the concerns people voice about these things are.. are concerns of habit. And the concerns that.. that come out of the human condition as it is currently understood, because the human condition, I mean, our whole culture our our assumptions, everything what we considered to be to be to be pointing into??. I mean important and interesting stamms from dieing and aging and it's everything is influenced by that.

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Part-ID 079 Sonia Arrison



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[ Religion ? ]
Yes .., so my mother is fairly religious. And I've just dicussed these issues with her a few times. And she is religious but she is also fairly open minded. And I remember I said to her, you know, one time, what.. "You know, I don't ever want to die!" And she just start laughing at me and she said: "Oh, but that's silly." You know, and "Because she is a scientist she said something like that. Everybody has to die in this world." "No! You know, maybe if .. if there are some advances in biotech and stemcell research and you know all these various things we can actually live really long time." And then she said: "It's impossible!" "What do you mean it is impossible, you thought it's gonna be impossible that are.. that we will go to the moon. We went to the moon!" "Oh but that's different." "How was that different?" You know she just really.. she was unwilling to accept the idea that it might be possible for human beings to live longer, and it's because she subscribe to this idea that there is a natural course of life,.. and that there is a God. And we all go through this cycle and we eventually went up to.. heaven or hell, depending on how you lived your life. Well, and she's really comfortable with that. And so I think that there's a lot of.. people - as we talked before - that are just really uncomfortable with the idea of change, I mean the idea that a society could be different where.. we'll be around for a long time. It scares them.


Part-ID 080 Matthew Sullivan



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I know there are r/lude??? I tell??? there that are fearful of change in new technologies. But the goal is going to be a better place. There'll be more opportunities, there will be, as far as boredom, I mean come on!, I mean it's the same thing, I mean you look over.. over the past, you know our ancestors couldn't have gone sky diving or build roller coasters or done anything of that kind. And the options were only gonna increase for us.


Part-ID 081 Aubrey de Grey, Ph.D.



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[ The Rich ? ]
And the first thing I would acually talk about is a very important thing. It's that actually these therapies when they first will come along they will be very expensive but they'll also be rather dangerous because of they'll be experimental. So actually in a very real sense we should be thanking the wealthy for being the guinea pigs. So we'll get??? that first.


Part-ID 082 Michael D. Hartel, Ph.D. (Physicists, Harvard)



start 0:07:48 / 0:52:37
If you want it at all, you are going to have to let the rich have their have their day in the in the early days in the technology in order to get it for everybody else ..and really cell phones were incredibly expensive, right? In the ninty eighties mobile phones were thousands of dollars each and now you go to China and they are everywhere, it is a third world country. I mean you go to Africa, people have cellular phones in India and Africa, I mean it's incredible how inexpensive cell phones are now, only twenty or thirty years later. And so that's the same impulse that will deny the rich life extension simply because they're rich and you can't because, simply because you can't have it for other people. It's exactly the kind of policy that will destroy all technological innovation.


Part-ID James Dale



start 083 0:08:33 / 0:53:22
People with greater means will gonna have access to the best medical technology fastest, .. but, I mean, you know, as we as we see it in the past these advances tend to make their way to the general populous fairly rapidly. .. In 1922 they'd first discovered insulin. And this technology, you know, freed a lot of diabetics from nearless death as, you know, as we see today, you know, people have very modest means have access to insulin and diabetic treatment.
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Part-ID 084 narrator about Benjamin Franklin

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Benjamin Franklin wrote to a friend in 1773: "I wish it were possible to invent a method of embalming drowned persons, in such a manner that they might be recalled to life at any period, however distant; for having a very ardent desire to see and observe the state of America a hundred years hence.."
[ Cryonics ]
Today cryonics is the process of preserving humans after death by storing them in liquid nitrogen. Typically at a temperature of minus 196 degrees Celsius. In this clod storage state metabolism and decay are nearly completely halted. Viruses, bacteria, sperm and eggs, embryos at early stages of development, insects and even small animals such as small frogs and some fish can be cryogenically frozen. Preserved for an indefinite time. And then reanimated back to full healthy life. Boring/borrowing??? social disruptions, cryonicists believe that a preserved person could remain physically valuable for at least 30.000 years. At least long enough for advanced medical technology to revive them.
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Part-ID 085 James Halperin



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And we don't know what it's gonna be that allows us to reanimate and be restored to health and youth, ..if anything, but as I am fiend of saying it's a lot better ??? to be frozen than to let the worms eat you!
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Part-ID 086 Don Laughlin (Founder, Riverside Hotel & Casino Resort Laughlin, Nevada)



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I think cryonics is a very logical gamble if you wanna put it that way. Next breath is a gamble somedays. We will be there but I feel that our chances are very good of,.. a better future coming out of this I certainly hope so. There.. There are a lot of people are a lot smarter than me and it were wrong if.. if not. And I never did like the idea of decomposing in a box.


Part-ID 087 Ralph Merkle, Ph.D. (Director, Alcor Life Extension Foundation, nanotechnology researcher)



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And actually one of the reasons that I decide the cryonics was.. the most effective approach was that there is no certain speak??? deadline for the development for the technology, if it takes an extra decade or an extra twenty years or an extra whatever, to develop a technology to restore someone to good health, not a problem.


Part-ID 088 John Grigg (Manager, Creekside Preserve Lodge, Advisor & Sec., Society for Venturism)



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Because I think if we we powerfully, you know, clearly show that argument, certainly people will realize: "Well cryonics can make sense. It's a big gamble, but the right technology is developing." You know, however badly frozen these peole maybe, you know.. a century from now, a millenium from now there maybe a very good chance that they could be brought back.


Part-ID 089 Michael D. Hartel, Ph.D.



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One of the central themes for me as a physicist is asking the question: Does anything in cryonics violate the laws of physics? And the answer to that is clearly: no. There is nothing at all in the laws of physics that sais this can't happen. And so, it's important to realize that a lot of technologies that people thought were completely impractical that had insurmountable barriers, have been developed in the past hundred or two hundred years and yet people often, you know, who detract us of these technologies, often need arguments, basically to the effect that, by laws of physics, well not strictly prohibiting it, but vanishingly unlikely. So people made arguments against rocketry for example basically saying that: "There is no way, there is no way that rockets will ever get off the surface of the earth and go off to explore the planets". And they were wrong enough. And I think that,.. if you take an honest look at the history of technological
forecasting, scientists and engineers tend to be really bad at this sort of things.

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Part-ID 090 Robin Dale Hanson, Ph.D. (Associate Professor of Economics, George Mason University)



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I think that a remarkable thing about cryonics is, that you can get large percentages of the population to find it intriguing. You just described that a little, we need a large percentage to find it plausible and something of that technic is a substantial chance of my work, but as we all know, ..hem, an itsy bitsy tiny percentage of the population actually chooses it, so there is there is a disconnect there and that's what we??? interesting puzzles about it.


Part-ID 091 Matthew Sullivan



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Really what started it for me is .. since about the age of five I wanted to be an astronaut, so that's that's what I've aspired to be and a knee injury prevented me from even considering pursuing that career and my hope is if cryonics works that'll take me to a period of time where I can fulfill those goals.


Part-ID 092 Lorrie Hull Smithers, Ph.D. (Member, Alcor Life Extension Foundation)



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I think they think I am a little crazy sometimes. And I've talked about that in my interview show. I have an interview, I have an interview show here in Santa Barbara called: "The live after sixtyfive". And I have often talked about that, encouraging people. I.. I think, you know, I guess the religious people think it's not necessary because they are going to have it anyway. But there are people of a very nasty sort??? .. for??? sure their religion. Why I think it is a very wonderful alternative for hope that one will come back and see what's going to be happening in the in the world.


Part-ID 093 Jay Wasserlauf (Suspended Animation Inc.)



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It's .. in term of cryonics, if.. if there is anything negative, it's usually poor press or something like that, that just exaggerates the wrong aspects of it, but I think that in in the near future people are just gonna become aware of it, and it's just going to be positive outwalk.

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Part-ID 094 Tanya Jones (Director, Alcor Life Extension Foundation, Scottsdale, Arizona)



start 0:05:28 / 0:59:20
.. but as a general rule when I first got involved I encountered almost nothing but hostility when I were going to the field to collect a patient. Today that environment is vastly different already. Doesn't mean that people are going to decide up that for themselves in droves, but at least they are not working as hard to prevent people from doing it.


Part-ID 095 David S. Pizer



start 0:05:52 / 0:59:43
It's a long way to go, but I feel now that if you, if a person dies today and they get a what we would call by today's standard a good suspension - in other words: there was no lot of ischemic time and you didn't have an autopsy and.. the team was right there to bed side at your death bed, to start the procedure - that even now there's going to be quite a bit of damage, compared on how we'll do suspension in the near future.. Still if you stay frozen long enough they will be able to repair that.


Part-ID 096 Ralph Merkle, Ph.D.



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And one of the things of course is simply a new idea takes time to be absorbed. So one of the factors is: We've had some more time we've had some more decades during which people have gotten used to the idea, senior??? idea, whether it's in movies, in film in newspaper coverage and are beginning to say: "Ok.., I heard of that, I can understand that." We're also seeing a number of technological advances that make the whole concept plausible. So for example we are seeing advances in nanotechnology and it's quite reasonable to talk about manipulation and control of the molecular or cellular level. So this again head to the technical feasibility. Obviously the whole notion of cryonics requires basically two stages: There is a stage where you cool and then there is a stage where you apply advanced technology to reverse anything that might have gone that might have happen during the cooling process and restore the person to good health.


Part-ID 097 narrator about Robert Ettinger

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Historically cryonics began in 1962 with the publication of "The prospect of immortality" by Robert Ettinger, founder and the first president of the Cryonics Institute in Michigan.

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Part-ID 098 Robert Ettinger (Father of Cryonics)



start 0:07:37 / 1:01:29
The Cryonics Institute was founded in 1976 and for many years it moved very slowly, and for many.. for.. Well our first patient was my mother in 1977. The second patient was my wife, my first wife, in 1978. And after that for quite a few years we didn't have any patients. Now we have 68 and half of those have come in the last five years. And of our members.. I guess half have come in the last.. about the last 7 years, something like that. So obviously we have gained ground and we are gaining at rather an increasing rate. So we're we are still.. we are still very small obviously in absolute terms. In other terms if you consider the population of the country but along the world we're still very small but.. we are still growing very slowly, but nevertheless the rate of growth does increase, is improving. And of course the wind is on our backs, because every year, almost every day the advances in technology make our position more credible,.. and are borrowing our first seen calamities so.. the future looks ok - except of course that there will be untold numbers of individuals who will miss their chance.


Part-ID 099 Ben Best



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I would like to think of this as a as an extreme version of a hospital work and we do call .. the people we have preserved 'patients', we think of them as patients, try to treat them as patients, let them all the challenge to patients/patience.


Part-ID 100 Andy Zawacki (Manager, Cryonics Institute, Clinton Township, Michigan)



start 0:09:32 / 1:03:24
Well as.. when the Ted Williams case story came out, Alcor wasn't talking anybody understandably, as you know as it first came out, so the next thing media would do is contact us or ACS, United Cryonics Organizations,.. And we got a lot of calls from sports stations and stuff like that. And and a lot of people never even heard of it - they thought it was something very new, and we were so surprised how few people actually heard about it.

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Part-ID 101 David S. Pizer



0:09:59 / 1:03:51
At the very first, before they actually froze somebody, when, when Robert Ettinger first wrote the book "The prospect of immortality" wich kind of launched this,.. at the very first when people didn't actually have to see a frozen body, before anybody was frozen, the idea of cryonics was pretty well accepted. Then Robert Ettinger was invited on a Johnny Carson Show twice, they had articles in the Playboy Magazine, and this in the air everybody thought that was really great, until they had a look at a frozen 'dead' body, and then they thought: "wow, well this is bizarre".


Part-ID 102 narrator about Rudi Hoffman

0:10:36 / 1:04:29
Rudi Hoffman, an independent certified financial planner, has helped more people sign up for cryonics than anyone.
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103 Rudi Hoffman, CFP



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A reasonable backup is like when we are - for those of us who are in information technology - if you are writing a long program or a long letter, a long document, imagine for thirty or forty years in that document, not hitting the save key. This is a kind of a save key function. And again, not an end in itself, but a reasonable insurance, and of course that insurance is in turn funded by insurance.


104 Joseph Waynick



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Analogy of 'you're freezing a human body' is like trying to warm up hamburger or something ??? comparisons
That maybe true in the sixties when we did not know as much as we do today about the molecular structure body
But today with vetrification that problem is largely eliminated.


105 narrator-A: about Brian Wowk

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Brian Wowk, senior scientist at '21st Century Medicine', has been working with Gregg Fade to develop an advanced method of cryonics - a less destructive preservation method of cryonics called : vitrification.


106 Brian Wowk, Ph.D.(physicist and senior scientist at 21st Century Medicine, Inc)



start 0:11:44 / 1:05:35
We do federally funded research in hypothermic preservation of hearts, preservation of kidneys and cryorthermic - means very low temperature - preservation of human corneas and we also do research on cryothermic, cryogenic temperature preservation of kidneys, cartilage and brain tissue for pharmaceutical research. In vitrification chemicals are added to the tissues and the organs which allows them to be cooled to virtually any temperature without ice formation - even hundreds of degrees below zero. We believe that this company's technology may very well be critical to successful deployment of bioartificial organs and engineered tissues That will be needed to treat an aging population at least until such time as aging itself can be sucessfully and comprehensibly tretead in vivo.


107 narrator-A: about Charles Platt

start 0:12:39 / 1:06:32
Contributor to 'Wired Magazine' and author of more than forty fiction and non fiction books Charles Platt is the director of 'Suspended Animation', a company specializing in standby procedures for cryonics patients.


108 Charles Platt



start 0:12:52 1:06:44
We are not going to make any money doing this, there is no money to be made in cryonics, a very common misconception is the must be a huge potential demand of a huge potential amount of money to be made, this is not true, it is very hard to sign people up and they never want to pay very much. And the service itself costs a lot of money if you get to do remote standby: very expensive.
So the idea Suspended Animation is to develop service in Florida and in the rest of the nation do additional cases because you're no good if you don't do any cases, you don't find out all the things you should be doing. And I hope personally that if we set a good example here in terms of what can be done, other people may either want to do better than we are doing or they may want to imitate some of the things we are doing and that's just fine, I have no proprietary feeling about any of the things we may create here, the more widely they are adopted the safer that makes me as someone who wants to have those technics for himself.


109 Rafal Smigrodzki, M.D., Ph.D



start 0:14:09 / 1:08:02
Oh yeah, I am, I am a cryonist, who.. I think that it is something worth doing, right now being the price for cryonics at Alcor is eighty thousand dollars. And this can be covered by life insurance. If you start off very young it will not cost you a lot of money. And Paying only eighty five dollars for the policy that sufficient cover the cryonics expensives, and.. Of course it is not guarantee to work and not everybody gets a highquality suspension, but it is a wager that I am personally willing to take because at worse I am loosing a 85 dollars a year but if everything goes well I might gain a hundred years of life or more.


110 narrator about James Swayze

start 0:15:03 / 1:08:55
Confined to a wheel chair after an accident which left him paralyzed from the chest down, James Swayze is undergone a transformation in his thinking about life and death over the past decade. Through the internet James developed a virtual network which ultimately helped sponsor his cryonics policy.


111 James Swayze (Member of the Cryonics Institute)



start 0:15:19 / 1:09:10
...bringing into discussion, and... I wrote a long rant and let them have, basically, both barrels (translator comment: american figure of speech), basically. And I expected to get a hundred flame messages the next day and thought "why don't you try it elsewhere, dude". And to my astonishment, the next day, people were calling me up for pledges to cover me for suspension, for cryonics suspension. In fact, Robert C.W. Ettinger, the actual father of cryonics was one of them. And, long story short, they just brought me into the community, and... nobody cared that, that I... you know, dissed them all pretty badly. And.. and pledges went on and on, and it got to about ten thousand dollars over the next, well, about a year or so. And that kind of language there (translator: 'that kind of response'). And that's when Robert kicked it in the sea (translator: 'started it'), with thirteen thousand of his own estate... with the previse, that the other twenty thousand be reached through donations. Well, we had ten pledged for already - so we needed another ten, and it wasn't long and it was reached, and I am fully founded for cryonics now with Cryonic Institute of Michigan. And I have this immortal debt I can't ever repay. But I'm trying to, and I am working with the 'Methuselah Foundation' for the M-Prize and that's: mprize.org. And I give them a little money each month and I'm a volunteer administrator for their web site. I am just doing a small corner of it. And that's how I'm trying to to pay back a little of what people have given me.
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DVD-title 7

112 David Kekich



start 0:00:01 / 1:11:01
[ mprize.org ]
The mouse prize is a prize that is set up to reward scientists and it's really more of.. Scientists typically are money motivated at least all of.. or most of mine. But to reward them with a monetary prize for achieving a milestone. And the milestone would be the scientist who takes a let's say a two year old mouse - average life span is about three years - and sets a record for longevity for that mouse.


113 Jay Fox



start 0:00:38 / 1:11:39
It's it's an interesting prize because it won't directly affect human life span because it's obviously about mice, but it's a positive step forward and I like it because it is not as controversial as actually trying to make people live longer. You can do a lot more with mice and they got such a short life spans and it gets people focused on the problems. Cause if we can make a mouse that normally only lives 3 years, I mean we can make it live 6 or 7 years - granted it's nothing compared to human life span, but considering that in the last seventy years with all our technology all our studies and calory restriction and genetics the most we've gotten now out of a mouse so far is still as an even 5 years. To be able to push that to six or seven years in a mouse that we didn't do anything medically for, until it was already in its middle age, I think that would really impress people to know that we can do that, that scientist have found a way to almost halt aging in mice.


114 Aubrey de Grey, Ph.D.



start 0:01:44 / 1:12:45
In order to stimulate research on the whole idea of life extension in mammals, I have been involved with a number of people, especially David Goble, an entrepreneur from the Washington DC area. And I learned of something called 'The Methuselah Mouse Prize', which is administered by a non profit 501©(3) and it's called the 'The Methuselah Foundation'. And the Mathuselah Mouse Prize is a very very simple concept. Just as: You get some money if you create a mouse that lives to a greater age than any other mouse who ever lived before, as far as we know. And the amount you get is determined by of course the size of the prize fund; you don't get the whole prize fund if you if you do it, what you do is you got an amount of it determined by how much you beat the previous record by.


115 narrator about Life Extension

start 0:02:30 / 1:13:30
[ Life Extension ]
Life extension consists of attempts to extend human life beoynd the current maximun life span.

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116 Robin Dale Hanson, Ph.D.



start 0:02:37 / 1:13:37
This is the weird thing about life extension mentality. There is a group of people who take it on their self to say, you know; we're for this thing that most people seem to be against it. And I do really might advocate for them, but in certain literal sense everybody wants to live more and more days.


117 Eliezer Yudkowsky



start 0:02:53 / 1:13:53
Why is it difficult to get people to choose life over death? You wouldn't think that it would be all that complicated question. I think that just by presenting it as this question and making a big deal over it we forget how blindingly obvious the answer is. You know, if you are the sort of person who would not voluntarily walk off the cliff, than that means you are on the side of life.


118 Robert Ettinger



start 0:03:17 / 1:14:17
We can talk about that for many hours or many days for that matter, but the bottom line is that.. or at least as simple as we've looked at that is that most people most of their time would rather be alive than dead and most people most of their time would prefer to extend their lives if they could. And that's all there is to it. It's just.. just another.. just an extension of what we've always done. Which is, to try to save and extend our lives if we can and use medical technology if that's ethical.


119 Charles Platt



start 0:03:51 / 1:14:51
And therefore I'm interested now in promoting the idea of cryonics and life extension generally. From the point of view: do you really want to see the people close to you die? Do you really want to go to their funerals? You don't. I don't care how religious you are, you don't want your family to die. So for their sake you might think about this. Or you might think they probably don't want to see you die.
So maybe it's not just a selfish thing. Maybe it's good generally for any group of people if one or more of them can avoid premature death.

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120 Sonia Arrison



start 0:04:39 / 1:15:39
I am actually really optimistic that there is a lot of technology can do to help us to live longer.. you know especial advances in biotech and nanotech and artificial intelligence, I mean, all this stuff is really coming together, and you know, I think we are living in a really good time in history where we're going to be able to take advantage of some of those technologies and live a really long time.


121 Joao Pedro de Magalhaes, Ph.D.



start 0:05:02 / 1:16:02
We are more complex in model systems. We still don't know how to do this in humans, but there is no.. physical law preventing us from extending human life span.


122 Reason



start 0:05:14 / 1:16:14
To a certain extend it's the same to any industry. In the automobile industry, you couldn't talk about.. You couldn't talk about hybrids or electric car for a longest time. Because we were a crack. You were a nutcase and not eligible for funding. So that just languished and languished and languished, until it actually now happens. And.. you have to build this this critical mass and I don't think the [life extension] community is doing itself any great service by being quiet and 'under the radar'. And an actual fact, Aubrey de Grey is pointing the way very clearly by being as loud as vocal as he is. And for may part, I'm really just one of a few people doing that critical little service of being a market maker for the conversation.


123 Ben Goertzel, Ph.D.



start 0:06:00 / 1:17:01
If if the government were to make a massive initiative to life extension or to artificial general intelligence in a kind of "Manhattan project scale" initiative and on that's necessarily running the same way as the Manhattan project. I think it seeded a tremendous advance just from getting the best people in each field focussed on these problems and working together with those diehards you may??? just have the best technicals built??? even if.. third??? through the conception of it.
stop 0:06:26 / 1:17:28

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DVD-title 8

124 James Canton, Ph.D. (Pres. Institute For Global Futures)



0:00:01 / 1:17:28
[ Artificial Intelligence ]
Once we have achieved logevity medicine we'll drive life extension. But we are not there yet. This is the middle ages. You know, this is.. But I say in our life time, the next 25 years are going to be the most exciting dynamic times for life extension, because you gonna have logevity medicine that has the capabilities to this convergence of nano-, bio-, IT- and neuro-science to be able to actually understand. We'll have these tools, we'll have this insight. We'll see the precourses for desease beginning. We'll be able to correct it. Now every company in the world wants to.., you know the 'Metronics' of the world who make medical devices want to.., you know, gives you a device that will monitor that and to be able to help to explore that.


125 William Faloon



0:00:53 / 1:18:20
We believe that, ultimately, once we attain the biological immortality wich I believe is inevitable. That will occur, that that cells will be programmed in such a way that they won't get old anymore, they won't turn into cancer, our vascular system will maintain its youthful, plyable tone, so that there will be no more atherosclerotic disease, we'll control autoimmune diseases that are so rampant in elderly people. People will live one day forever in a good healthy state. But that risk of accident and trauma and just these unknown problems will motivate people to go one step further. And then that is, develop artificial intelligence that can then take our biological emotions - which are not more than chemical reactions in our brain anyway - and our memories, and our identities, and then transfer those into an electronic format that can then be backed up and stored in many places so that we will essentially have physical immortality, no matter what happens to that primary being, there will be 'backup disks' - spread up in as many places th an you can afford to keep them stored.


126 Ben Goertzel, Ph.D.



0:01:59 / 1:19:26
..and I became convinced that intelligence is not really such an amazingly fancy trick. Not that it's trivial, by any means. But there's a lot of ways to make an intelligent system. Nature has discovered one, which is ingrained in the human brain, that nature discovered kind of habitually. The way that nature discovered to achieve intelligence says: pluses and minuses, which we are very familiar with them. It seems to me that you could make superior intelligence to humans in digital computers. And once you have that intelligence than all the other problem become easier, then time travel is easier, making humans immortal is easier, because you have a... you have a superior digital mind, a different kind of digital mind, which is complementary to yours to help you discover anything you want to discover.


127 Peter Passaro



0:02:48 / 1:20:15
And what I am hoping to catch is, those three neurons, as they develop, their neurites [= Axons, Dendrites] as spreading up, connecting up. And, what I am hoping is that we can build models of small cortical circuits in order to understand how the brain actually wires up and develops and learns, and stores information, from watching things like this. Because it's sitting of a top of an electrical tube, we can also observe them electrically. So we can see all the electrical activity in the network. And we can see the physical structure, thats how. And so I am working on ways to integrate that information so that we can build models to get a better
understanding of how the cortex, the mammalian cortex actually works. These are my cells.
stop 0:03:32 / 1:20:58

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Part-ID 128 narrator: animation of a nano-factory

start 0:03:32 / 1:20:58
[ Productive Nanosystems: ]
[ From molecules to superproducts Version 1.01 ]
Productive Nanosystems: From molecules to superproducts
[ Design and Animation of Version 0.9 to 1.0 made ]
[ Made possible by a Challenge Grant from ]
[ Mark Sims, CEO of Nanorex Inc. ]
[ Matching grant contributors: ]
[ Doug Arends, Jennifer K. Ash, John Bashinski, Sergio Martinez De Lahidalga, David DeGroote, Gene Dotson, Thomas W. Gage, Edwin Hippo, Paras Kaul, Andrew Keane, Charles Kellog, Thomas McKendree, James Moore, Center for Responsible Nanotechnology, David Moore, Mark Muhlestein, Phillip Thorne, Gregory Trocchia, Rosa Wang, Linda Wolin, Robert Zeches]
Final production made possible by Challenge Grant from Mark Sims and Nanorex Inc.

Future advances in molecular technology will enable desktop appliances to manufacture products far better then today's best. The cartridges to the left supplies simple raw materials to the machinery inside - here shown in schematic form. Products emerge from the top of this box wich holds the heart of the manufacturing system. Each product is build from beneath layer by layer by billions of tiny machines all working together. Here the top surface is the productive machinery itself organized into layers. Machines in the lowest layer process molecules into building blocks passing them upward to machines that assemble them into larger components and then to machines that add these components to the product. From a millimeter scale one million nanometers are a few zooms in to the 10 nanometers scale each box is one tenth size of the one before. Here at the molecular scale nanomachines make small building blocks from molecular raw materials. The first machines sort molecules by their size and shape passing some rejecting others. Only molecules of the right kind can enter the processing machinery. These molecules contain four atoms: Two of carbon and two of hydrogen. The molecules bind to a device that carries them to the next stage. Then a rotating mechnism swings tool tips into contact with the bound molecules. Each tip presses the molecular tool against a molecule binding it firmly. The tools shown here have been analyzed using advanced quantum chemistry techniques. Another tool moves in from the left to remove the hydrogen atoms leaving aparic??? carbon atoms exposed in ready to use. The tools then carry these atoms to their destination where each pair binds to a nanoscale building block making a tiny bit of crystalline carbon - a bit of diamond. Motions happen quickly this scale. This scene shows motions slowed by factor of more than a million. A conveyor carries the blocks passed further machines wich build the blocks step by step to full size. Eslewhere other specialized machines build blocks of different kinds. A system of conveyor belts and transfer mechanisms carries completed blocks from where they are made to where they are needed. This transfer mechanisms moves blocks from one belt to another. The transportation system carries many different kinds of blocks, different shapes, different materials, different functions. It deliveres them to the next stage of manufacturing. Here a programmable machine lifts and places small blocks to make larger blocks. The small blocks bind on contact to form components containing millions of precisely arranged atoms. These can be simple sturucture bricks or intricate components for mechanical and electronic systems. The completed components are delivered to the final assembly stage where many machines work together to build the final product. Motions of this larger scale are still quick: This scene shows motions slowed by a factor of ten thousand. At the base of each machine a transport mechnaism grabs components and lifts them from a conveyor. Each is lift around, then carried up to the underside of the product under construction. Finally machines lift the components and plug them in place adding layer after layer to the bottom of the product. When the last layer is finished and construction is complete, the product is ready to be removed and used. The result of this production run is an atomically precised multi processor laptop computer with a billion times more processing power than todays best. The only waste products are warm air and pure water.
[ Atomically precise fabrication ]
[ 100 hour battery life ]
[ One billion CPUs ]

[ Productive Nanosystems ]
[ From molecules to superproducts ]
[ Molecular design, technical advice, zoom sequence: Dr. K. Eric Drexler, Nanorex Inc. ]
[ 3D animation, extruder concept, mechanical design: John Burch, Lizard Fire Studios ]
[ Voice: Suzann Kale ]
[ Challange Grant Provided by Nanorex ]
[ Software: Animation Master 11.1 nanoEngineer-1]
[ copyright 2005: Lizard File Studios, all rights reserved ]
[ www.lizardfire.com ]
[ Dedicated to the memory of Christopher Reeve, 2004 ]
stop 0:08:22 1:25:48


Part-ID 129 narrator about nanomedicine

start 0:08:22 / 1:25:48 [ Nanomedicine ]
Nano medicine is the medical application of nanotechnology related research. It covers areas such as nano particle drug delivery and possible future applications of molecular nano technology.
stop 0:08:35 / 1:26:01

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Part-ID 130 Christine Peterson (Founder, VP, Forseight Nanotech Inst.)



start 0:08:35 / 1:26:01
The application of nanotechnology, the people are most excited about is in medicine. We picture extremely powerful medical applications being able to analyze the body down to molecular level, to repair at that level, and in principle one could address just about any disease you could imagine this way.


Part-ID 131 narrator about Robert Freitas

start 0:08:57 / 1:26:23
Nanomedicine, a book series by Robert Freitas, that analyzes a wide range of possible nanotechnology-based medical devices, and explains the relevant science behind their design. Freitas writes that the net effect of all nanomedical interventions will be the continuing arrest of all biological aging, along with the reduction of current biological age to whatever new biological age is deemed desirable by the patient.


Part-ID 132 Robert Bradbury



start 0:09:23 / 1:26:49
You can sit here and discuss aging.. and then, you know, ultimately I will sit and discuss nanotechnology, because I view them as being.., you know... what I've gotta get is: I've got to get five years, then I've got to get ten years, than I've got to get twenty years for myself. If I get that much for myself, then..


Part-ID 133 J.M. Salgado (Founder, Project Life)



start 0:09:39 / 1:27:05
So the same time we find how we age, and we find a treatment, we need to develop nanotechnology.. at the same rate to apply those treatments.

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Part-ID 134 Robert Bradbury



start 0:09:46 / 1:27:12
That's right, that's right; I mean, ultimately, we'll end up with nanotechnology. Ultimately then, we'll give you a whole new genome. Or we do it with outloading-, inloading-, uploading, ..you know, path.


Part-ID 135 James J. Hughes Ph.D.



start 0:09:55 / 1:27:21
[ Julian Huxley (1887-1975) ]
Well, I date the history of transhumanism back to an essay by Julian Huxley, where he coined the term transhumanism. His idea was somewhat more expansive than our contemporary idea of transhumanism. Back in the 1950's, he was arguing that humanity should transcend itself, and consciously commit to transhumanism itself; both biologically as well as socially.
[ "The human species can, if it wishes transcend itself.. We need a name for this new belief. Perhaps transhumanism will serve: man remaining man, but trans-cending himself, by realizing new possibilities of and for his human nature.
Sir Julian Huxley, 1957, Transhumanism" ]


Part-ID 136 narrator about Transhumanism

start 0:10:20 / 1:27:46
Transhumanism is an emerging philosophy analyzing or favoring the use of science and technology, especially neurotechnology, biotechnology and nanotechnology, to overcome human limitations and improve the human condition.


Part-ID 137 Rudi Hoffman, CFP



start 0:10:33 / 1:28:00
That that makes sense. The whole concept of argumentation really clearly makes sense to me. And I guess I, that.. that kind of puts me in the middle of the transhumanist/extropian/cryonicist movement. Many of us are, of course, kind of free-thinking libertarians, who believe in the whole idea that, you know, that we should take what nature has given us, and move to the next level, as we clearly do, I mean, most of us. If our eyes are going bad, we don't just say, 'well, nature has given us bad eyes, let's not doing anything better' - we wear glasses. Well, in my case, I had a radio-keratectomy, which is one of the better operations. We are talking about, you know, different ideas that, or crux points, where you change your paradigm. Actually, I think, getting my.. eyes fixed with a - at that time - very cutting-edge operation, ten of fifteen years ago, that radio-keratectomy, was a crux point for me, because I always had bad eyes, and.. all of a sudden a single operation - literally, it took about eight seconds - and my eyes... I woke up the next day with perfect vision, actually better than perfect vision.

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Part 138 narrator about FM2030

start 0:11:44 / 1:29:10
[ FM2030 (1930-2000) ]
In 1966 FM 2030 began to identify as transhuman, a short hand for 'Transitional Human', people who were adopting technologies, lifestyles and world-views that were transitional to posthumanity.


Part 139 Gustavo Faigenbaum (Member, Immortality Institute)



start 0:11:59 / 1:29:25
The only problem with transhumanism, that I have, is when they start talking about uploading your mind into a computer. I think, that.. they usually oversimplify the problem of personal identity. They're not only too optimistic in thinking that the mind is just a pattern or some kind of.. information processing machine that can be just, you know, that you can extract the software and decode the data and then upload to a different media or to a different, you know, kind of machine and I'll still be yourself. I think that does not work. For two reasons: First, because of the identity problem.. most likely that the new creature you will be creating, will not be yourself anymore, you wouldn't have the test??? of continuity. And second they're, I think, they don't understand what the human mind is. I think that it's a much more complex process. It's not only information processing. It has to do with some kind of experience, that it is coded in our brain but not in the same.. same way computer codify information.


Part 140 narrator about singularity

start 0:13:14 / 1:30:41
[ Singularity ]
The 'Technological Singularity' also referred to as just 'The Singularity' is a predicted future event to a technological progress and societal change accelerated to the advent of super human intelligence changing our environment beyond the ability of pre-singularity humans to comprehend or reliably predict.


Part 141 William Wiser



start 0:13:33 / 1:31:00
Changes are certainly accelerating, I mean, if I look at the big historical pictures there is no question that things are changing faster.

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Part 142 John Smart (Pres. Acceleration Studies Foundation)



start 0:13:41 / 1:31:08
The world is gonna be totally wired. A world with deep sensors everywhere, because they'll cost virtually nothing. A world that is capturing all of your experience extremely into these.., you know, indexable store devices. It allows you to call up those past experiences in ways your, you know, biologically memory can't do. Those are clearly coming, you can see the trend lines, those aren't futures that are very disputable. What is disputable is how do we get the path we take down to that higly transparent society.


Part 143 Eliezer Yudkowsky



start 0:14:16 / 1:31:42
Singularity seems to be the best option apparently to that. Or I'd be doing something else. I looked over all the possible ways, that I couldn't stop the dying. Artificial intelligence was the best pointing??? to that. You know, I start with the goals. Look over your options. Evaluate the options. Take the best one. You know, I don't try to rationalize it afterward. That's another one of the major rationality skills. Maybe even doubt??? major rationality skill. Intelligence to be usefull must be used for something other than just feeding itself.


Part 144 Rafal Smigrodzki, M.D., Ph.D.



start 0:14:46 / 1:32:13
The development of superhuman artificial intelligence.. could occur within the next within the next 50 years, perhaps as little as 20 years perhaps longer than that. So we should look forward a lot of changes.

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Part 145 Max More, Ph.D.



start 0:15:04 / 1:32:31
When people think of the future, they often think of robots and intelligent computers and so on. And it's a long history in science fiction, and film and literature of these intelligent machines walking around. But that's really a kind??? of a backward sense of fictional view. For the most part there will be some autonomous robots certainly, ..there'll be some stationary ones. I don't think many of them will be humanoid. ??? you'll have some because we are familiar with that - but it is not necessarily the best physical form to take for most jobs. Most of the machines??? will be invisible, they'll be distributed, they'll be pervasive, they'll be ubiquitous, they'll be everywhere and they'll be inside us too. They'll be part of us and we will be them. And that??? is not??? going??? to be separation of AI and robots and human beings, I think more and more we will just interconnect, that.. the band will be very permeable. We'll have little robots and nanomachines inside us, we'll have supercomputers inside our brains and inside our bodies and now watches and earrings and whatever else. And they'll be sensed to other machines in the environment. And we will be very interconnected.


Part 146 narrator about Ray Kurzweil

start 0:15:58 / 1:33:24
[ The Singularity is near ]
Ray Kurzweil predicts in his book "The Singularity is near - When humans transcend biology", that the advent of strong AI is the most important transformation this century will see. Indeed it's comparable in importantance to the advent of biology itself. It will mean, that the creation of biology has finally mastered it's own intelligence and discovered means to overcome it's limitations.


Part 147 Matthew Sullivan



start 0:16:25 / 1:33:52
yeah, I am I am personally a big supporter and I'm very excited about that.. what we're talking about here, the singularity. When machine-intelligence becomes off aware. And wow! I mean, what a amazing time to live in! There there are some.. scary thoughts along that line, but I think we'll adapt. We can incorporate that technology into ourselfs. Educational institutions will disappear once we incorporate that within ourselfs. I know some peole worry about coming back and happen to reeducate themselfs. I suspect before the end of this century you'll be able to, going to something like a 7-Eleven [COMMENT: = supermarket] and pick up the latest half a dozen Ph.D.s for 2 dollars, and you know, you'll just install that. ..now, that doesn't mean we're going to be walking around like a bunch of tin can robots; we can look and feel just as like we do now.
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DVD-title 9

148 narrator about 'Immortality'

start 0:00:01 / 1:34:44
Immortality is a concept of existing for potentially infinite or indeterminate length of time. Technological immortality is the name given to the prospect for much longer lifespans may possible by scientific advances in a variety of fields: nanotechnology, emergency room procedures, genetics, human physiology, engineering, regenerative medicine and microbiology.
0:00:28 / 1:35:11


149 Robert Ettinger



start 0:00:28 / 1:35:11
Well, I.. I do use the word 'immortality' and I do use the word 'immortal', but I use it in a different sense:
not to mean, not to mean 'invulnerability' - obviously we can't be invulnerable, in that to mean living forever, cause that's not even meaningful really - but simply to mean indefinite life extension, or in other words the elimination of so called natural death.
0:00:51 / 1:35:35


150 Joao Pedro de Magalhaes, Ph.D.



start 0:00:51 / 1:35:35
oh certainly, I mean, what.. the way you think of immortality you think of.. god or.. the angles or something like that. You have a very mythical sense to it. So when you talk about.. well, let's try to achieve immortality for humans.. it can lead to ironic interpretations.


151 Robin Dale Hanson, Ph.D.



start 0:01:15 / 1:35:59
But in a certain sense even the immortalists are playing the same sort of metaphorical symbolic game. That is most people who think cryonics is cool - don't sign up. right? Where it comes to take a concrete action for their lives, it's kind of.. it's a disconnect.. "I had fun talking about this. It's exciting, but you know, what.. you know.. my.. but.. my life insurance for that? what?" You know, that's a whole disconnect. In a certain sense, you know, fighting for immortality in general is.. in a certain sense it's kind of silly because nobody is fighting against it when it comes down to living one more day. What you're fighting for is this image of.. of.. nanotube-people should have about a long future. And that's just fighting for this image world for.. of stories to tell and.. you know.. symbols.


152 Jerome C. Glenn (Executive Director, American Council for the United Nations University)



start 0:02:00 / 1:36:45
..DNA comes into us. We emerge with the technology to live also, indefinitely, like the DNA in a sense, is immortal. In our cells, think of you. So we get our immortality with the merger [COMMENT: probably the merger with AI]. Which then buys us time - leave the solar system, go up in the universe, maybe meet with other beings - and then permeate the universe with consciousness in some way, that might be a pause in the entropic forces, to figure out what we really want to do when you grow up, seriously. ..So I would see in a sense immortality, as being part of a long range agenda. No pun intended, but because in a sense, that's what matter and energy did to DNA. And what DNA is doing to us, with our mind, and intelligence and the machines and so forth. So it seems to me to be not an unreasonably.. not an unreasonable position if you take the long stretch of of matter and energy in time.

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153 Shannon Vyff



start 0:02:58 / 1:37:43
Most people would agree with living a long time. Getting people to donate their time and donate their money, that's the hard thing. Building the community, that's where the problem lies, having something concrete enough that people will invest their time or even change some of the things that they've been brought up with. I mean, that's a very hard thing, if you've been brought up as a Presbyterian or, Buddhist... Whatever - you are - it's a very hard to change some of those beliefs. It's not hard for me to talk to other people about immortalism, for me it's just a natural extension. You want the best for your children. You want the best for yourself. Very few people choose to die.


154 narrator about Igor Vladimirovich Vishev, Ph.D. and Nikolai Fedorovich Fedorov 1829-1903

start 0:03:45 / 1:38:29 24
In 2003 Russian scientist Igor Vishev who introduced the concept of immortalogy, the science of immortality, celebrated the one hundred years anniversary of the death of Russian immortalist philosopher Nikolai Fedorov. Fedorov pioneered the concept that mortality need not to be an attribute of human existance and called for the elimination of death. Humans, Fedorov said, can still be human even when they gain the ability to live forever.


155 narrator: Igor Vishev interview (read by Danila Medvedev)

start 0:04:15 / 1:38:58
The problem of immortality has been developed for more than 150 years by Russian philosophers. The first great Russian thinker that we need to mention is Nikolai Fedorovich Fedorov, who has developed the philosophy of a common cause. Recently the hundred year anniversary of his death was honoured in December 2003. Fedorov was the first to describe death as the result of spontaneous natural evolution. But by introducing the consciousness and the will of the people he argued, it should be possible to apply the scientific knowledge to regulation this spontaneous processes and remove the causes of death.

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Part 156 Jay Fox



[ The Immortality Institute 2004 ]
start 0:04:53 / 1:39:36
..the 'Immortality Institute' is it to bring together people who.. for whatever reason don't buying to the whole notion that there is nothing that can be done about aging. You know, there is there is thousands and thousands of us out there that we have already found and probably tens of thousands or more are out there, who have this feeling that we can do something about aging. But we have it found somewhere to turn to, because the 99,9% of our society tells us there is nothing you can do about it.


Part 157 Susan Fonseca-Klein



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The ultimate goal for ImmInst, I think, is to.. change peoples perspective, change peoples minds, that living forever is not a bad thing, that it can be done and create an environment where people will feel not threatened but comfortable and allow research and technology on life extension to be an important topic and to show other people that people who desire to live forever, are the??? people, are normal people and should have that right to live forever.


Part 158 Gustavo Faigenbaum



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The very fact of being able to find other people who think like you, is very very empowering for immortalists who haven't - if I can make it short - haven't come out of the closet yet. So, you are going to the web site, you see other people thinking in a similar way as you do, you don't feel so much ashamed of your way of thinking.


Part 159 Randy Wicker



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So slowly we are gathering together a body of knowledge that will become increasingly respectable. Now, what I believe happens, I believe this happens with every movement, is that at a certain point you have the ideology you have enough books, enough materials, enough arguments, enough answers for the hostile questions, and then something will happen.

Edited by Matthias, 05 August 2007 - 08:20 PM.

[Matthias]

DVD-title 10

Part-ID 160 Philip Van Nedervelde (CEO Founder E-spaces; Director, Foresight Institute Europe)



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[ Conclusion ]
Well, first of all, I want to live indefinitely long. I'm not so sure, that I want to live forever, but until further notice, if I can get away with it, I want to go on indefinitely and then subject to whatever I may do with all that time and what I may find out about the nature of reality and the nature of man and.. you see, my motivation for wanting to live indefinitely long is exactly that: is to find out the answers to: "What is the nature of reality?", "What is the nature of man?", "Who am I?", "Where am I coming from?", "What is the purpose of.. all this? "
stop 0:00:51 / 1:42:32


Part-ID 161 Adi Berman (Ice becomes fire)

start 0:00:51 / 1:42:32
Everything's so perfect in your simpleminded world
The pixies light is shining in the moon's brightness
You know it's temporary 'cause all the goodness is vanishing
And for now
Your white wings are softly touching the velvety water
Till it wakes up, and all the dismay comes real

Ice becomes fire
Water's all you desire
But no good is left
It has tasted death
Come on, let me breathe
To keep my heart pounding
Pulsing with the cool breeze
Hell, just don't let me freeze

This light blue morning, doesn't seem to be familiar
Too much lily and the sky is so relaxing
I'll live forever but I feel something too good's happening
All these sounds
Cannot hold on for too long my own sanity
One step closer to infernal eternity

Ice becomes fire
Water's all you desire
But no good is left
It has tasted death
Come on, let me breathe
To keep my heart pounding
Pulsing with the cool breeze
Hell, just don't let me freeze

Too damn good to be real
All is lie, I can feel
At the best it will all go away
The control overtake – the dismay

Black would be the day
And dark shall be the night
When the time will be the best
The wickedness shall wake up of the long deep rest

Ice becomes fire
Water's all you desire
But no good is left
It has tasted death
Come on, let me breathe
To keep my heart pounding
Pulsing with the cool breeze
Hell, just don't let me freeze

Can't imagine it all disappears
Vanishing like nothing, isn't even worth my tears
If it was- I wouldn't cry
Now I know, I seem to die…
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Part-ID 162 credits

start 0:01:27 / 1:43:08
film dedicated to
Theresa B. Klein
1954-2004

Writer/Director/Editor
Fonseca-Klein, Susan
Klein, Bruce J.

Financial Support
Cartmell, Brian - Cartmell Holdings LLC; Christensen, Thor - ImmInst Member; Halperin, James - Author, The First Immortal; Kekich, David - Maximum Life Foundation; Kent, Sent - Life Extension Foundation; Klein, B. Michael - ImmInst Member; Kumar, Sasy - ImmInst Member; Lamm, Catarina - ImmInst Member; Rothblatt, Martine - Terasem Movement Foundation; Waynich, Joe - Alcor Life Extension Foundation

Friends & Participating Interviewees
Ames, Michael Roy; Arrison, Sonia; Bradbury, Robert; Canton, James, Ph.D.; Cooper, Michael, Ph.D.; Coles, Stephen, Ph.D.; Corwin, Justin; Csoka, Antonei,B., Ph.D.; Dale, James; de Grey, Aubrey, Ph.D.; de Magalhães, João Pedro, Ph.D.; Best, Ben; Ettinger, Robert; Faigenbaum, Gustavo; Faloon, William; Fonseca-Klein, Susan; Fox, Jay; Glenn, Jerome Clayton; Gobel, David; Goertzel, Ben, Ph.D.; Goertzel, Izabela; Gold, Louise Evelyn; Grigg, John; Halperine, James; Hanson, Robin, Ph.D.; Hartel, Michael D., Ph.D.; Heward, Chris, Ph.D.; Hewitt, Duane; Hoffman, Rudi; Hughes, James J., Ph.D.; Hurlbut, William B., M.D.; Jones, Tanya; Kekich, David; LaTorra, Michael; Laughlin, Don; More, Max, Ph.D.; Passaro, Peter; Perry, Michael R., Ph.D.; Peterson, Christine; Pizer, David; Platt, Charles; Reason; Rothblatt, Martine, Ph.D., J.D., M.B.A.; Rose, Michael, Ph.D.; Salgado, J.M.; Sills, Kenneth X.; Sladon, Stephanie; Smart, John; Smigrodzki, Rafal M., M.D., Ph.D.; Smithers, Lorrie Hull, Ph.D.; Swayze, James; Van Nedervelde, Philip; Vita-More, Natasha; Voss, Peter; Vyff, Avalyse; Vyff, Avianna; Vyff, Avryn; Vyff, Dean; Vyff, Shannon; Watson, Kennita; Wasserlauf, Jay; Waynick, Joe; Wicker, Randy; Wiser, Will; Wowk, Brian, Ph.D.; Yudkowsky, Eliezer

Immortality Institute Leadership
Anissimov, Michael; Arwe, Matthias; Bates, Ryan; Brenner, Harold; de Grey, Aubrey, Ph.D.; Fonseca-Klein, Susan; Fox, Jay D.; Hewitt, Duane; Klein, Bruce J.; LifeMirage; Loew, Justin; Newstrom, Harvey; Omnido; O'Rights, William; Passaro, Peter; Perrot, Kevin; Justin; Reason; Schloendorn, John; Sethe, Sebastian; Sills, Kenneth X.; Spanton, Don; Tompkins, Casey; Wicker, Randolfe; Wowk, Brian, Ph.D.;

Organizational Help
Adaptive Artificial Intelligence Inc.; Advanced Orthomolecular Resaerch; Acceleration Studies Foundation; Alcor Life Extension; Foundation; Betterhumans; Canaca.com Incorporation; Cartmell Holdings LLC; Center For Responsible Nanotechnology; Cryonics Institute; Cryonics Society; Extropy Institute; Foresight Institute; HMX Inc.; KurzweilAI.net; Life Extension Foundation; Longevity Meme; Maximum Life Foundation; Methuselah Foundation; Rentless Improvement; Singularity Institute For Artificial Intelligence; Society For Venturism; Terasem Movement Foundation; Transhumanist Arts & Culture; 21st Century Medicine, Inc.; World Transhumanist Assoc.;

Music & Artwork
Berman, Adi - Artwork & Music; Ravese Blinder, Theresa - Narration; Miller, Gina (Nanogirl.com) - Animations; Freitas, Robert, Ph.D. - Animations; TriLab Productions - Timelaps Footage; Shockwave-Sound.com - Music; WikiMedia Commons - Images; Getty Images - Artwork;

To be continued...

Forever


0:03:50 / 1:45:32

Edited by elrond, 04 February 2008 - 07:01 PM.

[Matthias]

This transcript project is quasi finished. Thank you very much, Live Forever, Mixter and Veneto.

next step: translation and subtitles or dubbing:

- English transcript
- German translation
- Hebrew translation
- Russian translation
- Veneto (Italian dialect) translation

- transcript discussion / correction thread
- translation / subtitles / dubbing discussion thread

Edited by Matthias, 01 April 2007 - 06:47 AM.

[Bruce Klein]

Really great work, guys!

Added links to the film page: http://www.imminst.org/film.php

[Shannon Vyff]

Don't suppose that someone could contact me about getting my quotes correct--or could change the picture that is used?

But its alright if not... just thought I'd see if anyone is still working on this--It is a wonderful project--and is perfect the way it is! (my part is small anyway, and more about the need for community)

Thanks to everyone who worked on the project--and as always to Bruce for creating this community! I'm happy to contribute to the cause of spreading awareness about the morality of putting resources into ending aging--now... any way that I can!

[Matthias]

getting my quotes correct--or could change the picture that is used?

no problem, just send me a PM.
While the interviewees are talking it's not easy to grab pictures of them out of a video stream. I'll send you a link to some screenshots so we can pick the best out of them (or your avatar or another picture).

Edited by Matthias, 01 April 2007 - 11:48 PM.