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[recon]

I do not have a multivitamin in my regimen so I’m searching for one that either is 1) good for health span or 2) good to be mimicked. So, I found a supplement brand that seems to be quite resourceful.

https://getcuros.com/ingredients/

The ingredients are chosen for health span and hopefully lifespan. The ingredients targeted genes such as PARP and all that. Since I do not have a multivitamin in my regimen, I was thinking of either getting a Curos or to mimic its individual ingredients.

What do you guys think?

[Boopy!]

as far as I know no one has died from it,   but then,   I no longer find reason to trust any vitamins for the most part since there is really no way to test without a clone or identical twin.    I don't know anyone who takes this particular multiv;   oddly enough,  the healthiest people I know --  marathoners,  athletes,   very fit types --  do not take a single vitamin.   It's only the people obsessed with health who seem to die too young.

[brighty]

 

oddly enough,  the healthiest people I know --  marathoners,  athletes,   very fit types --  do not take a single vitamin.   It's only the people obsessed with health who seem to die too young.

 

Do you have any evidence or examples to back this up?

[Skyguy2005]

240mg Vitamin C

5.5 mg Vitamin B1

4.2mg Vitamin B2

48mg Vitamin B3

18mg VItamin B5

8mg Vitamin B6

100mg Biotin

200ug Folate

20ug B12

10ug Vitamin D3

2mg VItamin E

37.5ug Vitamin K2

800ug Vitamin A

20mg Zinc

21mg Iron

2.5mg Copper

2mg Manganese

2mg Boron

150ug Iodine

110ug Selenium

50ug Chromium

50ug Molybdenum

[recon]

240mg Vitamin C
5.5 mg Vitamin B1
4.2mg Vitamin B2
48mg Vitamin B3
18mg VItamin B5
8mg Vitamin B6
100mg Biotin
200ug Folate
20ug B12
10ug Vitamin D3
2mg VItamin E
37.5ug Vitamin K2
800ug Vitamin A
20mg Zinc
21mg Iron
2.5mg Copper
2mg Manganese
2mg Boron
150ug Iodine
110ug Selenium
50ug Chromium
50ug Molybdenum

Where is this list derived from?

as far as I know no one has died from it, but then, I no longer find reason to trust any vitamins for the most part since there is really no way to test without a clone or identical twin. I don't know anyone who takes this particular multiv; oddly enough, the healthiest people I know -- marathoners, athletes, very fit types -- do not take a single vitamin. It's only the people obsessed with health who seem to die too young.

Any example of people obsessed with health dying younger normalized by their situations?

[Kinesis]

as far as I know no one has died from it, but then, I no longer find reason to trust any vitamins for the most part since there is really no way to test without a clone or identical twin. I don't know anyone who takes this particular multiv; oddly enough, the healthiest people I know -- marathoners, athletes, very fit types -- do not take a single vitamin. It's only the people obsessed with health who seem to die too young.

Yet there are plenty of examples of people who have died from lack of vitamins and minerals that are commonly found in multis. Beri-beri, scurvy, pernicious anemia, are just a few examples of deadly diseases that are caused by deficiencies of such nutrients. A healthy diet generally provides these essential nutrients, but taking a foundation multiple is cheap insurance for the knowledge that whatever may ail you, it’s not going to be from something so easily prevented.

[brighty]

 

I do not have a multivitamin in my regimen so I’m searching for one that either is 1) good for health span or 2) good to be mimicked. So, I found a supplement brand that seems to be quite resourceful.

https://getcuros.com/ingredients/

The ingredients are chosen for health span and hopefully lifespan. The ingredients targeted genes such as PARP and all that. Since I do not have a multivitamin in my regimen, I was thinking of either getting a Curos or to mimic its individual ingredients.

What do you guys think?

 

Anyway. Let's get back to your original question. This Curos multivitamin does seem very expensive at $60 per month. I would suggest to start with any one of the following multivitamins and make up any missing ingredients from Curos that you would like to take.

 

https://www.amazon.c...wo+per+day&th=1

https://www.amazon.c...BDWTR18HV0BPRAZ

https://www.amazon.c...NHDV28YEP632ZEG

 

I am not an expert but I would start with these first if I were to look for a multivitamin.

Edited by brighty, 21 December 2017 - 04:43 AM.

[Skyguy2005]

 

240mg Vitamin C
5.5 mg Vitamin B1
4.2mg Vitamin B2
48mg Vitamin B3
18mg VItamin B5
8mg Vitamin B6
100mg Biotin
200ug Folate
20ug B12
10ug Vitamin D3
2mg VItamin E
37.5ug Vitamin K2
800ug Vitamin A
20mg Zinc
21mg Iron
2.5mg Copper
2mg Manganese
2mg Boron
150ug Iodine
110ug Selenium
50ug Chromium
50ug Molybdenum

Where is this list derived from?

as far as I know no one has died from it, but then, I no longer find reason to trust any vitamins for the most part since there is really no way to test without a clone or identical twin. I don't know anyone who takes this particular multiv; oddly enough, the healthiest people I know -- marathoners, athletes, very fit types -- do not take a single vitamin. It's only the people obsessed with health who seem to die too young.

Any example of people obsessed with health dying younger normalized by their situations?

 

 

It's the multivitamin I take. It's slightly outdated as I'm now down to 9mg iron (not 21mg).
 

[Skyguy2005]

 

 

I do not have a multivitamin in my regimen so I’m searching for one that either is 1) good for health span or 2) good to be mimicked. So, I found a supplement brand that seems to be quite resourceful.

https://getcuros.com/ingredients/

The ingredients are chosen for health span and hopefully lifespan. The ingredients targeted genes such as PARP and all that. Since I do not have a multivitamin in my regimen, I was thinking of either getting a Curos or to mimic its individual ingredients.

What do you guys think?

 

Anyway. Let's get back to your original question. This Curos multivitamin does seem very expensive at $60 per month. I would suggest to start with any one of the following multivitamins and make up any missing ingredients from Curos that you would like to take.

 

https://www.amazon.c...wo+per+day&th=1

https://www.amazon.c...BDWTR18HV0BPRAZ

https://www.amazon.c...NHDV28YEP632ZEG

 

I am not an expert but I would start with these first if I were to look for a multivitamin.

 

 

My experiences have led me to believe that supplementing zinc/manganese without any iron/copper is going to cause an imbalance. Best to stick to the 20/2 zinc/copper IMO. For this reason, I would say even something boring an inexpensive like Sanatogen A-Z is actually better (yes, better) than these. Then you can spend the rest of the £60 on something that's actually worth it, like Ginkgo.
 

Edited by Skyguy2005, 21 December 2017 - 02:22 PM.

[brighty]

 

My experiences have led me to believe that supplementing zinc/manganese without any iron/copper is going to cause an imbalance. Best to stick to the 20/2 zinc/copper IMO. For this reason, I would say even something boring an inexpensive like Sanatogen A-Z is actually better (yes, better) than these. Then you can spend the rest of the £60 on something that's actually worth it, like Ginkgo.

 

The Life Extension Two Per Day at $16 per bottle is a better deal than Sanatogen A-Z. A bottle gives you 120 capsules which will last two months if you take 2 capsules a day. Many people will find taking one capsule a day sufficient and the bottle would last 4 months if you take 1 per day. You can always add copper and iron back if you see the need to take them.

[pamojja]

My experiences have led me to believe that supplementing zinc/manganese without any iron/copper is going to cause an imbalance. Best to stick to the 20/2 zinc/copper IMO.

 

Everyone is different. For example, I got 13 mg zinc from food, and 45 mg from supplements, 4 mg copper from food, 1 mg from supplements each day. Ends up 58 to 5 mg or a 12:1 ratio. While calculating it your way leaving out dietary, it would even be a 58:1 ratio.

 

However, my serum and whole blood ratios have been completely off, too high and unbound copper and too low zinc. Which I couldn't completely correct yet, in 9 years of supplementing.

 

Would be wary of such generalized recommendations, even out of experience, and rely with such important minerals on one's own blood tests only (iron, ferritin, transferrin, transferrin saturation, total iron-binding capacity, zinc, copper and ceruloplasmin).

[Kinesis]

My experiences have led me to believe that supplementing zinc/manganese without any iron/copper is going to cause an imbalance. Best to stick to the 20/2 zinc/copper IMO. For this reason, I would say even something boring an inexpensive like Sanatogen A-Z is actually better (yes, better) than these. Then you can spend the rest of the £60 on something that's actually worth it, like Ginkgo.

The Life Extension Two Per Day at $16 per bottle is a better deal than Sanatogen A-Z. A bottle gives you 120 capsules which will last two months if you take 2 capsules a day. Many people will find taking one capsule a day sufficient and the bottle would last 4 months if you take 1 per day. You can always add copper and iron back if you see the need to take them.

You can adopt a similar strategy with their Life Extension Mix; I do. I prefer it to the Two Per Day because all the plant extracts it contains are at least as attractive as the vitamins and minerals.

[recon]

I had decided to take separate vitamins instead of one single one.

I’m now starting to research all the useful essentials and starting from vitamins, then minerals, then amino acids, then fatty acids, and only then the optional additions. I’m currently looking at the RDA of each vitamins and their best forms.

Unfortunately, I’m stuck on the very first one.

Any recommendation on the best form for Vitamin A? It seems equally divided between beta carotene and retinol derivatives such as retinyl palmitate. The pro of beta carotene is that it as a provitamin supposedly able to convert into retinol without risks of overdosing. The cons is that some argued that the conversion rate is low or too varied to be accounted for dosing, and that some people cannot convert beta carotene well.

[Heisok]

 I take Life Extension Mix. Sometimes, I think it is amazing how much it contains for the price. Through the years, it seems to have great expanded the fruit, Berry, other fruit, Vegetable and  Olive tree based nutrients. Some debate as to benefit/harm.

 

This is not meant as a judgement of this thread, but there was a stack contest.

 

Two that discuss multivitamins

 

Michael: http://www.longecity...red-supplement/

pamojja: http://www.longecity...-mineral-stack/

 

Many other stacks which were looked at: http://www.longecity...r-best-regimen/

 

Far too many to list. These members put a lot of effort in developing, and explaining their choices. I thank all of them, and those contributing to this thread.

 

 

 

 

Edited by Heisok, 22 December 2017 - 07:42 PM.

[Kinesis]

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Any recommendation on the best form for Vitamin A? It seems equally divided between beta carotene and retinol derivatives such as retinyl palmitate. The pro of beta carotene is that it as a provitamin supposedly able to convert into retinol without risks of overdosing. The cons is that some argued that the conversion rate is low or too varied to be accounted for dosing, and that some people cannot convert beta carotene well.

The conversion rate may be low, but why would you want to take 25,000 units and have it all covert to retinol in he first place? More than 2500 units is even recommended against during pregnancy due to the risk of birth defects. More is not better. And much of the benefit of the carotenoids is not due to their provitamin A activity. Lycopene for example has little or no vitamin A activity yet has a mountain of research supporting its health benefits.

Ideally you might get 2500 units of retinol for pure vitamin A activity, along with mixed carotenoids including alpha and beta carotene, lycopene, lutein, zeaxanthin, etcetera for the benefits only carotenoids can provide.