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[ironfistx]

About a year ago I got tendonitis in my leg.  Now I have it in my hip.  And I am beginning to develop it in both achilles tendons.

 

I had what I feel was plantar fasciitis previously.  My exercise is not more than usual.  My nutrition seems fine, I don't drink milk products, I take magnesium supplements, my protein is 70-150g per day (whey powder - chicken).  I don't drink alcohol very often.  I have not taken floxins.

[Boopy!]

Plantar fas.   is very painful at times,   so how much on a scale of one to ten?

 

I bet it is painful,   but I will be honest here.   Most people deal with something similar over a lifetime,   no matter how healthy.   The wealthy do more for it and also tend to have the ability to worry about it more.   I know people who do massage and growth hormone and anything you can possibly imagine,   and still have issues.   My suggestion isn't much but ice,  heat,  take care,   and aspirin.   I see so little difference no matter what people do because we are human,  not fully evolved to walk on four legs.   Not sure of your age,    but I know zero people -- zero -- who have no pain from neck on down.   I'm talking athletes,   as well as everyone else.   But perhaps someone will have some expensive cures to suggest on here or elsewhere.    In the end,   toughen up is all I have to offer.   

 

As you can see I have come to the point where I gotta say --  toughen up.

[Benko]

Unless you have genetically abnormal tendons (statistically unlikely, and you would have had problems before a year ago), your tendonitis in your leg, hip and Achilles tendon are unrelated to each other.  Tendonitis is commonly related to overuse/structural problems.

 

Very effective for tendonitis is Zheng Gui shui.  Chinese linament you apply topically three times a day.  Smells a little weird, but inexpensive and very effective.  I just get it from amazon and you can read several hundred positive ratings there.  Get the roll on applicator. 

 

.Note well: this will reduce the inflammation/swelling, but will not treat the cause e.g. if the cause is overuse, you have to stop the overuse.

 

The above should treat the hip, the Achilles may be more difficult.  If after a week it isn't gone/mostly better, PM me and I can suggest something more effective.

 

Edited by Benko, 28 December 2017 - 09:52 PM.

[sensei]

Do you take resveratrol?

 

Resveratrol has been implicated in tendonitis

 

There are multiple proposed modes of action in the google-sphere

 

mainly:

 

1. It is a copper chelator (???)

2. It is an aromatase inhibitor -- there is some evidence

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/24929094

 

 

If you are doing anything to lower your estrogen it will lead to sore joints and sore tendons

[Heisok]

Very effective for tendonitis is Zheng Gui shui.  Chinese linament you apply topically three times a day.  Smells a little weird, but inexpensive and very effective.  I just get it from amazon and you can read several hundred positive ratings there.  Get the roll on applicator. 

 

.Note well: this will reduce the inflammation/swelling, but will not treat the cause e.g. if the cause is overuse, you have to stop the overuse.

 

The above should treat the hip, the Achilles may be more difficult.  If after a week it isn't gone/mostly better, PM me and I can suggest something more effective.

 

We have used Zheng Gu Shui often. It absorbs quickly, and works great for what I will say are general aches and pains, as I do not know specifics. Not too strong smelling for me nor a strong counter-irritant. I purchased refillable, roll top bottles as that makes it easy to apply. Otherwise, just pour a little in your hand. To my roller, I combine it with Wood Lock oil which has a strong Wintergreen content, and is a much stronger counter-irritant. Luckily, I buy both locally.

 

If you have not seen a Dr., and pushed for labwork to rule out systemic issues, I would.

 

When I hurt a tendon, cartilage or ligament in my knee, the pain persisted for at least 6 weeks. No improvement. I added collagen peptides for stomach issues, and my pain also went away after a couple weeks. I did not anticipate this. Recently, I had some sort of rib cartilage injury which was persisting. I added Biocell Collagen based on good comments on longecity. I take 1 gm with vitamin C and Lysine twice a day. The pain has mostly resolved after about one week. After a month, I plan to switch to 1 gram with Vitamin C and Lysine at bedtime.

 

Good luck and take your problem seriously.

Edited by Heisok, 28 December 2017 - 11:31 PM.

[Benko]

Ironfist,

 

I don't know about resveratrol, but I stand corrected.  There are things that can damage tendons in general.  The one that stands out in my mind is a class of antibiotics called fluoroquinones e.g. cipro..  The FDA mandated that the drug carry a warning that the drug predisposes to tendinitis/tendon tears.

 

 

Heisok,

 

Applying zheng gui shiu 3 times a day has dramatically improved the pain from e.g. broken toes, and tendonitis within a week in over a dozen cases I personally have been involved with. 

 

 

[Rocket]

I took cipro for a chest infection and about 6 months later developed horrible tenonitis in my left foot. After that healed I then developed a sore Achilles tendon. I will never take that kind of antibiotic again.

Bpc157 aided me in recovery.

Edited by Rocket, 29 December 2017 - 02:27 AM.

[drgs]

1. Stop with all anti-inflammatories, especially if you work out. Inflammation (specifically prostaglandin E2) = anabolism.

Bodybuilders even take arachidonic acid as supplement to increase inflammation. In any case tendons take time to heal, and if anything anti-inflammatories and tendinitis, even if they can relieve you from some pain, are completely incompatible.

If you don't work out, start doing eccentric exercises.

 

2. Make sure copper is in balance.

Edited by drgs, 29 December 2017 - 11:26 AM.

[Benko]

Drgs is instructing you how to maximize anabolism i.e. building muscle (in which context anti-inflammatories are counter productive).   However I'd like to know on what basis taking anti-inflammatories if you have a swollen inflamed tendon is not a good idea.  The body heals much faster if you remove the inflammation (speaking in general terms).  One can certainly question use of certain specific anti-inflammatories if they have side effects, or if they slow healing, etc.  These do not apply to the remedy I've mentioned.

[sensei]

Are you on the gear?

[Skyguy2005]

copper

[ironfistx]

I do not take res. I previously drank trader joes green drink but stopped when I saw it had this in there.

I use 12g great lakes collagen every morning combined vitamin c.

Something else in my collection is copper but I'm worried to take it with all the threads here about copper being horrible.

I own a ball with points on it that I use on my foot. This seems helpful.

I have been doing ice cups on my injuries.

I'm more interested in why it keeps happening.

[ironfistx]

I do not take lysine with collagen. Is it healing?

[sensei]

I'm more interested in why it keeps happening.

 

Do you stretch your hamstrings, quads,  glutes, lower back muscles and piriformis (hidden inside the glute) - correctly and regularly?

 

If you have tight hammies, glutes, and quads -- you WILL end up recruiting the calf muscles and Achilles tendons to do work they should not be doing.

 

And can also cause iliotibial band fascitis -- hip pain.

 

This will cause the hip and achilles issues you describe.

 

Box jumps and running stairs are also major causes of iliotibial fascitis and achilles tendon injury.

Edited by sensei, 31 December 2017 - 07:43 PM.

[Eryximachus]

 

I'm more interested in why it keeps happening.

 

Do you stretch your hamstrings, quads,  glutes, lower back muscles and piriformis (hidden inside the glute) - correctly and regularly?

 

If you have tight hammies, glutes, and quads -- you WILL end up recruiting the calf muscles and Achilles tendons to do work they should not be doing.

 

And can also cause iliotibial band fascitis -- hip pain.

 

This will cause the hip and achilles issues you describe.

 

Box jumps and running stairs are also major causes of iliotibial fascitis and achilles tendon injury.

 

 

All good advice.  In addition to frequent and vigorous stretching, I would highly considering using a massaging roller stick. Trace every muscle in your legs from your glutes down to your shins.  Roll it until it hurts.  15-20 minutes a day does wonders. 

 

If this is tendon damage, whether due to overuse of anabolic steroids or not, your only real choices are time or human growth hormone, which is very expensive. 

[Heisok]

ironfistx, my original healing to my knee was accomplished with the adding of the Collagen Peptides to my other supplements which included 2 grams per day of C. Since you already take collagen, I do not have the opinion adding Lysine would help.  I am tapping out, so-to-speak, and leaving the ideas to others. I hope that you find something.

 

Benko, I was not challenging your Zheng Gu Shui experience. I was just sharing what I know for treating myself and my wife with it over a period of at least 10 years.. Thanks for giving further explanation. Based on what you posted, I will try it for other symptoms when they arise.

 

 

Edited by Heisok, 02 January 2018 - 10:06 PM.

[Junk Master]

BPC-157 has worked wonders for my 50 year old achilles.

[ironfistx]

So is copper helpful or damaging?

[Charles Thompson]

Before considering a supplement and notwithstanding the fact I’ve gotten great results from one, have you ever considered an eccentric only rehab program?

Lots of evidence showing high rep, eccentric only work helps here.