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#121 Turnbuckle

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Posted 10 April 2018 - 06:38 PM

Could there be any issues running the mito fission/fusion protocol with this one concurrently or they better be run consecutively?

 

 

I sometimes piggyback MB with N+R fission, that way I don't need to take extra nicotinamide. I do that once or twice a week, generally combining it with exercise. See Exercise like a girl, where I now use only 2 grams of ribose instead of 5.

 

I've used fusion and Aβ reduction on the same day a number of times. Separating them by 8 hours or more, I haven't seen a problem. For Aβ, I'm down to about twice a week. Recently I've been using fusion with C60--see Stem cell self-renewal with C60. Once a week seems appropriate for that.

 

For Aβ reduction with fission, I'd say no. Taurine (and HEPPS) may improve mito function, and with fission you want to make bad mitochondria look as bad as possible so they can be tagged for mitophagy.


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 06:09 PM

Rosemary extracts contain a number of phytochemicals useful in combating AD with the protocol of this thread.  Rosemary extract (20:1) at the 2-gram level seems effective.

 

Rosmarinic acid prevents Aβ aggregation. PMID: 23303581

Carnosic acid partially attenuates neural apoptosis induced by Aβ. PMID: 25510380

Ursolic acid attenuates beta-amyloid-induced memory impairment in mice. PMID: 27332074

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 25 April 2018 - 09:16 PM

Rosemary extracts contain a number of phytochemicals useful in combating AD with the protocol of this thread.  Rosemary extract (20:1) at the 2-gram level seems effective.

 

Rosmarinic acid prevents Aβ aggregation. PMID: 23303581

Carnosic acid partially attenuates neural apoptosis induced by Aβ. PMID: 25510380

Ursolic acid attenuates beta-amyloid-induced memory impairment in mice. PMID: 27332074

 

Can you (or anyone) recommend a product that checks all the boxes?



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Posted 26 April 2018 - 03:43 PM

Can you (or anyone) recommend a product that checks all the boxes?

That's what big pharma has been unsuccessful at doing.  Give the protocol a try



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Posted 26 April 2018 - 06:19 PM

That's what big pharma has been unsuccessful at doing.  Give the protocol a try

 

I'm asking specifically about a rosemary extract product.



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Posted 28 April 2018 - 01:22 PM

To be clear, I'm inquiring about a rosemary extract product that has: rosmarinic acid, carnosic acid and ursolic acid



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Posted 28 April 2018 - 02:13 PM

To be clear, I'm inquiring about a rosemary extract product that has: rosmarinic acid, carnosic acid and ursolic acid

 

Rosemary extracts are mostly coming from China, and while the manufacturers may supply an analysis to their customers, I don't see any customers doing the same for the retail products they are selling. Nor is there any research available to tell you which proportion of active ingredients would be best. As for rosmarinic acid, carnosic acid and ursolic acid, you can buy these separately, though the purities available retail may not be much greater than in the extract. Ursolic acid is available in 98% purity from Amazon, and carnosic acid at 20%. Rosmarinic acid is harder to find as a separate ingredient. Life Link sells a product with grape seed extract. All three are available at high purities (and prices) from chem supply companies that don't sell to the public.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 10:31 AM

@Turnbuckle your AD protocol did not work for me. However noticing improvement on MitoQ. So will implement the stem cell protocol. See if that helps even more. Then if I get a little clearer I might be able to tackle your mitochondria protocol. Going for some free hyperbaric oxygen now. Is that a good idea?

 

 

So you finally found some HEPPS?


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 10:45 AM

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 10:52 AM

I tried it without it. I confess even though I paid for 2 jars. MitoQ seems to help me a little where nothing else works. I know you haven't suggested this but want to cycle Rapamycin, MitoQ and other stem cell precursors. Half life of Rapamycin is 62 hours so that leaves so time for growth and autophagy. What do you think?
Taking a weekly dose of Rapamycin 6mg weekly. I hope I stay conscious until the weekend. I hope mitoQ can fight current decline

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 11:37 AM

I tried it without it. I confess even though I paid for 2 jars. MitoQ seems to help me a little where nothing else works. I know you haven't suggested this but want to cycle Rapamycin, MitoQ and other stem cell precursors. Half life of Rapamycin is 62 hours so that leaves so time for growth and autophagy. What do you think?
Taking a weekly dose of Rapamycin 6mg weekly. I hope I stay conscious until the weekend. I hope mitoQ can fight current decline

 

 

HEPPS is the most important ingredient. If you bought two jars, try it. If you didn't, you must try to get it. If you know someone with a business or in a university, you could buy it and ship it to their business address. Or you could buy it from Amazon in the US and ship it to someone you know in America who could send it to you. Also consider that you might have a vascular problem rather than AD.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 02:25 AM

Here's another source on Amazon:  https://www.amazon.c...&keywords=hepps

 

Has anyone used either of these?



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Posted 16 May 2018 - 02:38 AM

Has anyone used either of these?

 

 

Yes, I have used the one in the first link, the ACTGene one. I will run another bottle sometime in the future. 



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Posted 16 May 2018 - 07:39 AM

I am in the USA right now-for 1 more day. Is there anyway I could buy that over here before I leave tomorrow? Amazon will not ship it to Wales.
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Posted 01 June 2018 - 09:03 AM

I sometimes piggyback MB with N+R fission, that way I don't need to take extra nicotinamide. I do that once or twice a week, generally combining it with exercise. See Exercise like a girl, where I now use only 2 grams of ribose instead of 5.

 

Can you explain the rationale behind this please?
MB increases NAD or reduces NADH in the auto-oxidation process?

 



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Posted 01 June 2018 - 09:25 AM

Can you explain the rationale behind this please?
MB increases NAD or reduces NADH in the auto-oxidation process?

 

If one is already taking nicotinamide for other reasons, why not add some MB for this protocol?


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Posted 02 June 2018 - 07:19 PM

Ok I understand, I was wondering if MB has a synergic effect with N+R.
I have tried MB with Niacin as you wrote in your profile in the past, it feels different compared to NAM, since Niacin works in NIACR1 receptor and NAM does not produce flush



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Posted 02 June 2018 - 08:09 PM

Ok I understand, I was wondering if MB has a synergic effect with N+R.
 

 

 

I have not seen any obvious effects. The paper below suggests that it would be unlikely.

 

No significant change of NADH, NAD+ and ATP could be observed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm...ov/pubmed/38164

 


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Posted 03 June 2018 - 03:55 AM

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/28303408

at 10 mg/kg in rats

Proteomic studies were employed to compare the level of lysine acetylation on cardiac mitochondrial proteins between the experimental groups. We found that MB facilitates NADH oxidation, increases NAD+, and the activity of deacetylase Sirtuin 3, and reduces protein lysine acetylation in diabetic cardiac mitochondria. We identified that lysine acetylation on 83 sites in 34 proteins is lower in the MB-treated diabetic group compared to the same sites in the untreated diabetic group. These changes occur across critical mitochondrial metabolic pathways including fatty acid transport and oxidation, amino acid metabolism, tricarboxylic acid cycle, ETC, transport, and regulatory proteins. While the MB treatment has no effect on the activities of acyl-CoA dehydrogenases, it decreases 3-hydroxyacyl-CoA dehydrogenase activity and long-chain fatty acid oxidation, and improves cardiac function


However such dose tanslates to 90 mg for a 60 kg human.

According to Dr Gonzalez-Lima studies, 05-4 mg/kg are a safe low dose MB..... in studies with fobic patients he used like 200 mg.

 

However such dose is so high for me, I start to get sides like dysuria. I'm experimenting with low doses, 1 mg, 2mg, 4 mg of Leuco-MB it feels good, increased sense of wellbeing and mental energy.



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Posted 03 June 2018 - 08:22 AM

I don't think it's possible to get HEPPS through customs
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Posted 03 June 2018 - 08:53 PM

Nice regimen. Thanks for the references. I had a little trouble locating HEPPS/EPPS on Amazon. A little pricey but worth a try.

 

I appear to have turned a corner in nootropic experimentation which has enhanced a level of concentration I don't recall having experienced before. At 69, I have struggled with what appears to be Alzheimer's and nootropic supplementation seems to improve everything except, possibly, memory, to my satisfaction. Self brain function monitoring may have its pitfalls, like self anything else. The upside of Alzheimer's is the frequent experience of epiphanies that are, probably, redundant. That's kinda cool, but I'd, gladly, give it up. My most recent experience is with my "realization" that my concentration has deepened, but, at the expense of my morning multitasking ( getting up, dressing, fixing breakfast, etc. ). This seems to be the state of mind that generates things like your keys turning up in the freezer.

 

Except for the frequent frustrations of mental decline, there appears to be a self-entertainment factor. My mom, at 91, appears to have accepted an, almost, total lack of recent memory and flows with it, bless her big heart.

 

One more thing, that might be of interest. I had a liver transplant, in 2006, that made some major changes in my personality: sort of introverted to sort of extroverted. My best evaluation is like I never thought I had much to say that would interest anyone. Now I don't care and I seem to have plenty to say. Unfortunately, they don't allow any donor information, so it's impossible to integrate it with anything that would collaborate with my lifelong interest in the scientific aspects of Astrology.


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Posted 24 June 2018 - 01:06 PM

I have had no luck with finding HEPPS where I live. However, with the recent following studies, what do you think of replacing it with sulphoraphane @Turnbuckle?

 

 

Sulforaphane Upregulates the Heat Shock Protein Co-Chaperone CHIP and Clears Amyloid-β and Tau in a Mouse Model of Alzheimer's Disease.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/29714053

 

Sulforaphane Inhibits the Generation of Amyloid-β Oligomer and Promotes Spatial Learning and Memory in Alzheimer's Disease (PS1V97L) Transgenic Mice.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/29614663

 

 

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 01:40 PM

I have had no luck with finding HEPPS where I live. However, with the recent following studies, what do you think of replacing it with sulphoraphane @Turnbuckle?

 

 

Sulforaphane Upregulates the Heat Shock Protein Co-Chaperone CHIP and Clears Amyloid-β and Tau in a Mouse Model of Alzheimer's Disease.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/29714053

 

Sulforaphane Inhibits the Generation of Amyloid-β Oligomer and Promotes Spatial Learning and Memory in Alzheimer's Disease (PS1V97L) Transgenic Mice.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/29614663

 

 

Thanks

 

 

Maybe. I looked at the first paper, in which they used rather large doses compared to what is sold commercially. 

 

We found that sulforaphane doses of 10 and 50 mg/kg (~1.69 and 8.45 μmol), which have been used in previous animal studies [4, 8, 46, 47], enhanced up-regulation of CHIP and HSP70 and cleared the production of Aβ and tau in mice. Therefore, the sulforaphane doses used in our animal studies represent a somewhat large amount for a human diet. The effect of sulforaphane doses less than 10 mg/kg or the optimal supplemental dose of sulforaphane is unknown and thus requires further investigation.

 


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Posted 25 June 2018 - 10:38 AM

L-carnosine clears Aβ from the hippocampus of a mouse model for AD, but does nothing to clear hyperphosphorylated tau. It might be something to consider for those living in countries where the highly effective HEPPS is not available.

 

When we analyzed the effects of carnosine on amyloid and tau pathology we found that the peptide is very effective in decreasing intraneuronal Aβ deposition in the hippocampus but does not affect the development of tau pathology…

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC3058055/

 

 

Based on the mouse dosage in the above paper, 1-2 grams daily might be effective. Especially if used with something to address tau, like MB/nicotinamide and/or high dose sulforaphane mentioned in post #142. In the US, supplements are available with 50 mg sulforaphane glucosinolate per dose (a sulforaphane precursor mentioned in the sulforaphane link).

 

A recent clinical trial in which schizophrenic patients were administered sulforaphane-rich broccoli sprout extract (i.e., three tablets of sulforaphane, consisting of 30 mg of sulforaphane-glucosinolate per day for 8 weeks) suggested that sulforaphane improves cognitive function in schizophrenic patients [48]. In another clinical trial, administration of sulforaphane derived from broccoli sprouts (i.e., 50–150 μmol or 8.86–26.59 mg per day for 18 weeks) improved the behavior of young men with autism spectrum disorder [49]. We found that sulforaphane doses of 10 and 50 mg/kg (~1.69 and 8.45 μmol), which have been used in previous animal studies [4, 8, 46, 47], enhanced up-regulation of CHIP and HSP70 and cleared the production of Aβ and tau in mice. Therefore, the sulforaphane doses used in our animal studies represent a somewhat large amount for a human diet. The effect of sulforaphane doses less than 10 mg/kg or the optimal supplemental dose of sulforaphane is unknown and thus requires further investigation.

 

 

Use with carnosine may reduce the amount of sulforaphane required, at least for Aβ.

 

 

 

 


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 01:02 AM

What's the general experience with such a large dose of Taurine?

 

Its currently my only supplement other than as-needed Excedrin. I love it for a variety of uses. Its seemingly versatile as, for me, it helps with inflammation, migraine prevention, anxiety, depression, and sleep. I haven't found a better sleep aid in terms of its effect : side effect ratio. I honed in on it last year after realizing that a daily energy drink was the variable in some marked migraine and anxiety reduction. However, 500mg is my dose, not to be repeated more than every 4 hours. If I double the dose I tend to get some temporary cognitive impairment, or unpleasant grogginess after sleeping. Up to 12 grams seems intimidating to me insofar as potential sides are concerned, especially if I am to be at work or otherwise in public. Please feel free to assure me that the side effect-dose curve isn't linear ;)


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 01:39 AM

What's the general experience with such a large dose of Taurine?

 

Its currently my only supplement other than as-needed Excedrin. I love it for a variety of uses. Its seemingly versatile as, for me, it helps with inflammation, migraine prevention, anxiety, depression, and sleep. I haven't found a better sleep aid in terms of its effect : side effect ratio. I honed in on it last year after realizing that a daily energy drink was the variable in some marked migraine and anxiety reduction. However, 500mg is my dose, not to be repeated more than every 4 hours. If I double the dose I tend to get some temporary cognitive impairment, or unpleasant grogginess after sleeping. Up to 12 grams seems intimidating to me insofar as potential sides are concerned, especially if I am to be at work or otherwise in public. Please feel free to assure me that the side effect-dose curve isn't linear ;)

 

 

Don't use any more than you're comfortable with. The idea is to improve mental functioning, not make it worse. And taurine by itself is not going to eliminate Aβ. HEPPS is the best for that.


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Posted 06 July 2018 - 06:20 AM

Is anyone currently taking HEPPS with or without oleuropein? Or did you stop for some reason, and why? By the sound of it, this ranks with the most revolutionary therapies we have for literally any disease, if -- big if -- it translates to humans. I'm surprised that this has received so little attention.


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 06:57 AM

I've been taking ActGene HEPPS (Amazon) @ 1g/day for 9 days, as measured on my precision scale. I dissolve it in a few ounces of fruit or veggie juice, then drink it on an empty stomach in the morning. I take it with a Curcubrain (400 mg Longvida) and Swanson olive leaf extract (150 mg oleuropein). I take another olive leaf extract an hour or so later, in order to ensure that plenty of oleuropein is available during abeta oligomer destruction (and thus monomer formation).

At night, I take 500 mg of niacinamide, and started doing so at the same time as starting HEPPS. (I had taken niacinamide many times before, but had long since stopped, frankly for no good reason.)

The first time I took it, I sipped the juice gradually over the course of half an hour, sitting in my car in the emergency room parking lot just as a precaution. I noticed a mild metallic taste in my mouth, and experienced some very sharp visual thoughts, but not hallucinations, most likely due to incidental and minor psychoactive aspects of the compound or its impurities. (It always leaves me slightly nauseous for an hour afterward.)

The next two days, I noticed more brain fog than usual. I felt a bit like a zombie, and my friend pointed out that my face was uncharacteristically expressionless. It was bad enough that I started formulating a theory for how it was the taurine, and not actually HEPPS, which had helped Turnbuckle.

On the fourth day, I awoke with a posterior headache. It grew in intensity for an hour or so, to the point of being moderately painful, then slowly subsided. As I lay there, I was able to recall dreams characterized by fluidity and consistency. That is, they flowed logically and exhibited clear imagery and temporally consistent experiences, despite being physically implausible in certain aspects which are typical of dreams. This has continued more or less ever since.

The fifth day involved a second such headache, which once again grew and then waned, although with less intensity. I've not had another since. For the record, I virtually never get such headaches, although I do get them in other regions. It's not at all clear to me why this occurred; it could be some sort of coincidence. Or, if you believe that the activity of HEPPS is responsible, then this would correlate with abeta monomerization followed by immune (microglia) macroautophagy -- in other words, the immune system cleaning up the mess left by disaggregation, firing off inflammatory cytokines in the process. The only other interesting coincidence is that I received my worst ever head injury at age 8, right in the region in question: I was hit in the head with a wayward basketball, resulting in severe tunnel vision for hours, likely indicative of a bleed in the occipital cortex. It therefore wouldn't at all surprise me if my oldest and most pathological abeta aggregates are in that area, consistent with the headache.

It was also on this day that I suddenly remembered the name of a neighbor who I rarely see walking her dog. For months, I had tried to recall it without success. Like most people, once I've forgotten a name for a few days, it's just plain gone unless something jogs my memory.

And then, tonight, I was thinking about a particular art gallery that had captured my interest a couple years back. I noticed about a year ago that, although I could recall many details about it, I had forgotten its name, which is one-of-a-kind and meaningless, and therefore difficult to remember. I realized, fortunately, that I could search my email archives and find it using various keywords. However, I decided not to, but instead use it as a kind of memory test, should I ever be able to recall it. I just did so, and then verified the spelling by doing an email search. I don't recall ever having been able to do that after such an extensive period of forgetting, and yet, it's happened twice in the past week. It's as though the information has been there all along, yet I was unable to access it despite considerable effort over an extended period of time.

My diet is basically carbosis with low protein and modest fat (olive oil and a bit of c60mct), so while I don't have the energy that I did in ketosis, I don't have the sleep disruption or persistent nausea, either. In any event, my dietary habits have been relatively stable since a month prior to HEPPS. Suffice to say that I consume enough glucose in a day to frighten the daylights out of most low-carb advocates! Also, I don't supplement taurine and never have.

Is HEPPS responsible? It seems like a longshot, given that, thus far, it only works on "faux Alzheimers" induced by abeta injection, and there are so many other forms of AD pathology, particularly in more advanced cases. So it shouldn't help me much unless the bulk of my problem is due specifically to AB42 aggregates, if I've understood the study properly. I also happen to be on sirolimus (3 mg/week), and have been for about 5 weeks now, although I think its influence is more on sugar regulation than memory. Still, I'm at a loss as to explain all of the above. And finally, my visual memory is quite good, and has been since the third day or so. I can visually remember salient or surprising aspects of my travels around the neighborhood, including people and animals that I saw while out for a walk. This could well be due to the mushrooms I've been eating rather more of lately, but it is what it is. Maybe it's all luck, but in any case, thanks to Turnbuckle for taking an enormous risk in order to help the community!
 


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 10:52 AM

The first time I took it, I sipped the juice gradually over the course of half an hour, sitting in my car in the emergency room parking lot just as a precaution. 

 

I laughed at that. Such confidence!

 

HEPPS is pretty safe stuff, with a toxicity similar to taurine. It's one of Good’s buffers, which were chosen as it was believed they were biochemically inert. Only recently was it discovered that with Aβ they are not. And while HEPPS seems to dissolve Aβ, the chemically very similar HEPES seems to do the reverse, producing finer and more compact Aβ fibrils. As HEPES is also available at Amazon from the same companies, be careful not to buy it by mistake.

 

Note that RPI's HEPPS at Amazon is 1/3 cheaper than ACTGene's. I've bough both and RPI's seems purer. At least, it's always pure white while the one bottle from ACTGene looked a bit yellowish. 


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Posted 20 July 2018 - 01:43 PM

Do you have any papers, official scientific research on HEPPS?





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