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[The Capybara]

Here's the deal, short and succinct......

 

I was bringing in my cold intolerant plants inside from by back porch for the winter.

As I did this, I'd prune back some of the plants before I bought them in.

If the plant was toxic, I'd just toss the pruned vegetation off to the side. If the plant wasn't overtly toxic, I'd pop a little in my mouth to taste it.

No real issues doing that.

 

About two hours later I walked outside. It was sunny and fairly warm and when the sun hit my face, it felt awesome. When the breeze hit my body, it was refreshing, and overall it was just great to be alive in that moment. In fact the entire remainder of the day was great. The next day was well above average.

 

The thing is, that's not me. That's my experience, but that's just not my life, even sporadically, even in whispers.

I suffer from major depression, and on my best days I feel like the world exists only in shades of gray.

Needless to say I retraced by plant eating, and there was really only one plant I had eaten that was an unknown and so I waited a few days and tried some more. Sure enough in about two hours the world was full of color,and the universe embraced me in its arms. There was no feeling of being drugged or stoned. It just felt like me, but seeing the world like a 4 year old - with novelty.

 

I could still perform a calculus integral, ride my bike, and carry on coherent and lucid conversations. There was no feeling of some drug coming on, and absolutely no payback after the two days of relief from my depression was over. It was a totally transparent experience that was all me. No depressive crash after this was over. It was like being lifted out of depression on angel wings, and just as gently dropped off back in my normal state of being two days later.

 

In the end, after three experiences, I had to make a choice of eating my last remaining plant, or taking cuttings and planting seeds from the plant while my life remained a chore. I chose the latter and propagated the plant. It takes maybe a year for a plant to grow to a harvestable size.

 

I'm mentioning this not because I'm selling anything. I mentioning this so that maybe someone else has tried this plant. I'm mentioning this so that you can start your own plants. These plants are related to Kanna (Sceletium tortuosum), and so naturally I tried Kanna after I had run out of plant material from my Delosperma bosseranum. The Kanna was short acting, created anxiety and far too much stimulation for me when it was coming on. There was a mood boost in the end, but it didn't last nearly as long, and was of a totally different flavor.

[ISayLonger]

Amazingly (couldn't find these until just now..), looks like there may be some sources for some samples: 
http://sampedros.com...bosseranum.html
http://herbalistics....sseranum-plant/

[sant2060]

Glad something helped you

 

Is this the plant in question?

http://www.bihrmann....del-bos-sub.asp

 

I ask because I can find on the web much more about Delosperma Cooperi...which, supposedly, contains DMT (from what can be found, depending on the harvest season)...and your desription kind of reminded me of what people say about DMT microdosing.

 

And both are colloquially called "ice plants".

 

And some practical questions...what part did you actually eat? And how much? At one point you say "pruned"...did you eat dried leaf? Or healthy green one? Root? 

All of the above? :D

 

 

 

[The Capybara]

Sampedros.com seems to have the real plant.

I was going to buy some fully mature plants there (3 year old), but he never got back to me.

Many, perhaps most listings for D. bosseranum are actually D. napiforme, which has not been documented (as far as I can find) to be active.

D napiform is likely shown in the herbalistics and bihrmann links posted above.

D napiform is usually seen with a large caudex (above ground root exposure) and a small upright growth pattern.

D. bosseranum is usually growing outward along the ground and has no root exposure above ground, though it does have a carrot like root below ground.

 

I ate a few inches of the living plant. I'd guess maybe 4 inches of live leaf and branch growth.

 

It seems that several plants within the Delosperma genus have active alkaloids. DMT, mentioned above, is not absorbed through the gut without an MAO inhibitor, so that wasn't a player in my experience. There was no psychedelic or drugged feeling at all. Zero.

 

I just wish I had more mature plant materials so that this could potentially be, at least, a backup for days that are simply miserable.

 

Edited by The Capybara, 08 February 2018 - 06:45 PM.

[sant2060]

OK, lets try again....I don't want to buy wrong one 

Is this the plant you had?

 

http://www.kraeuter-...seranum-Pflanze

[The Capybara]

That one looks correct.
Compare the carrot-like root in your link to the pictures that appear to be D. napiform in previous links. The D. napiforms all have a much larger and woody appearing root that's typically partially visible above the soil's surface.
I can definitively tell you that the seeds from Fair Dinkum (https://fairdinkumse...ce-plant-seeds/) are absolutely correctly identified. The downside is that it may take you a year to have plants large enough to sample if you start from seed. The upside is that you'll have a lot more plants at a much cheaper price. Germination is maybe 90% and takes about 2 weeks. That's an estimate on the germination rate, since the seeds are some of the smallest I've ever planted. Though small, these plants want to live and take a good amount of neglect so long as the soil is not too dense and has good drainage. Just sprinkle the seeds on top of the soil and water from the bottom of the pot by soaking for maybe an hour as the water wicks up through the soil to the top. The sprouts are too fragile to water from the top unless you use a hand sprayer (another option).
Keep them at least room temperate until they sprout. They can handle a lot of light. I used a cheap 14 watt led plant panel off of eBay (just blue and red leds) placed maybe 3 inches from the plantlets for the fastest growth.

[sant2060]

That one looks correct.
Compare the carrot-like root in your link to the pictures that appear to be D. napiform in previous links. The D. napiforms all have a much larger and woody appearing root that's typically partially visible above the soil's surface.
I can definitively tell you that the seeds from Fair Dinkum (https://fairdinkumse...ce-plant-seeds/) are absolutely correctly identified. The downside is that it may take you a year to have plants large enough to sample if you start from seed. The upside is that you'll have a lot more plants at a much cheaper price. Germination is maybe 90% and takes about 2 weeks. That's an estimate on the germination rate, since the seeds are some of the smallest I've ever planted. Though small, these plants want to live and take a good amount of neglect so long as the soil is not too dense and has good drainage. Just sprinkle the seeds on top of the soil and water from the bottom of the pot by soaking for maybe an hour as the water wicks up through the soil to the top. The sprouts are too fragile to water from the top unless you use a hand sprayer (another option).
Keep them at least room temperate until they sprout. They can handle a lot of light. I used a cheap 14 watt led plant panel off of eBay (just blue and red leds) placed maybe 3 inches from the plantlets for the fastest growth.

 

Thanx!

I think I will start with what this guys are selling. Not fully grown plants, but grown enough to test my gardening skills 

And will check if maybe even while this young, they have some effect on me.

 

If all goes well, I'll use your link to buy seeds.

Edited by sant2060, 10 February 2018 - 08:44 PM.

[The Capybara]

Last thing....
If you taste the plants, just a small part of a leaf, and it tastes like bland iceberg lettuce, it will not be active. If the taste is salty and sour, then it's likely active.
You can transition them by increasing the light and warmth and letting the soil dry out between waterings. They seem to require this stress.
I'm no expert, and now you pretty much know everything about the cultivation of this plant that I do.
Let me know how you do.

[sant2060]

Last thing....
If you taste the plants, just a small part of a leaf, and it tastes like bland iceberg lettuce, it will not be active. If the taste is salty and sour, then it's likely active.
You can transition them by increasing the light and warmth and letting the soil dry out between waterings. They seem to require this stress.
I'm no expert, and now you pretty much know everything about the cultivation of this plant that I do.
Let me know how you do.

 

I will!

If you found a solution for my longlife problem, I own you a big one!

[ISayLonger]

If it is bland tasting, does that mean it's the wrong plant, or just not grown enough?

[The Capybara]

If you send a pic, I might be able to tell you if you have the correct plant.

The plant seems to be active only when it has a significant tart and salty taste.

You can convert the plant's taste by stressing it as described above.

The plant will usually get a darker green and often gets hints of reds on the leaves when appropriately stressed, but the color change doesn't always happen..

The taste seems pretty indicative of activity.

 

[nicklesprout]

did you ever take more of this?

[The Capybara]

I have. It’s really hit or miss with respect to its activity.
When it works, it really works.
Everyone of my friends that this plant has worked for have gone in to plant a lot more plants, as I did. I eventually had thousands. I still have many hundreds.
Some of my friends also have many hundreds growing.
Once it’s experienced, it’s something you’d want to feel every moment you’re alive. Best of all, it doesn’t feel drug-like and there appears to be no downside as it leaves you fully functional and seems to have no withdrawal at all.